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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dusty on 14 March 2009, 16:04:26
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Further to my tyre thread ,a few days ago.
I have just purchased 4x Wanli 225/55/16W tyres at a cost of £50each including fitting and balance etc.
Now I know that some of you male OOfers think that these are the poorest tyre ever made.But I disagree. :y
Road noise is much less than before ,and the car seems to grip the road well enough in both wet and dry conditions alike. :-* :-*
The tread pattern looks modern to my eyes and not like some sixties communist left overs. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I will be the first to agree that they not as good as a premium brand(I was quoted over £600 for four new Pirelli. :-[ :-[ :-[
In summary,if money was no object ,I would not have bought them ,but other than on a race track they seem fine to me.
Anybody know how long they last.?. :-* :-* :-*
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wanli tyres are good top end range of budget tyres and getting them for £50 each is good going
must be a female thing to get things cheap
not sure on the life of the tyres it all boils down to how you drive
if you drive it like you stole it then don't expect much but if your a careful female driver cough cough then you should get plenty of miles
:y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Further to my tyre thread ,a few days ago.
I have just purchased 4x Wanli 225/55/16W tyres at a cost of £50each including fitting and balance etc.
Now I know that some of you male OOfers think that these are the poorest tyre ever made.But I disagree. :y
Road noise is much less than before ,and the car seems to grip the road well enough in both wet and dry conditions alike. :-* :-*
The tread pattern looks modern to my eyes and not like some sixties communist left overs. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I will be the first to agree that they not as good as a premium brand(I was quoted over £600 for four new Pirelli. :-[ :-[ :-[
In summary,if money was no object ,I would not have bought them ,but other than on a race track they seem fine to me.
Anybody know how long they last.?. :-* :-* :-*
When I first purchased my car Dusty it had Wanli tyres on all four wheels, so when I suffered a puncture I bought the same make as a replacement.
But then I saw posted terrible warnings about them on this site, by Cem and others, backed up by poor to very bad web entries on them.
Despite one brand new Wanli tyre having just been fitted, I had all replaced with Avon's. Since then I have not only felt considerably safer, but there has been a very distinct improvement in handling and on the noise front. The car now drives very differently, giving me confidence again to use the miggy to the full as I like to without fear. :y :y
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wanli tyres are good top end range of budget tyres and getting them for £50 each is good going
must be a female thing to get things cheap
not sure on the life of the tyres it all boils down to how you drive
if you drive it like you stole it then don't expect much but if your a careful female driver cough cough then you should get plenty of miles
:y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
They originally quoted me £89 each for the wanli.But then I shopped around and eventually got the price down to £52 each.
So I went back to the original tyre centre ,who said that they would do it for £50.
It pays to shop around. :-* :-* :-*
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wanli tyres are good top end range of budget tyres and getting them for £50 each is good going
must be a female thing to get things cheap
not sure on the life of the tyres it all boils down to how you drive
if you drive it like you stole it then don't expect much but if your a careful female driver cough cough then you should get plenty of miles
:y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
They originally quoted me £89 each for the wanli.But then I shopped around and eventually got the price down to £52 each.
So I went back to the original tyre centre ,who said that they would do it for £50.
It pays to shop around. :-* :-* :-*
it pays to be a female ;D
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Further to my tyre thread ,a few days ago.
I have just purchased 4x Wanli 225/55/16W tyres at a cost of £50each including fitting and balance etc.
Now I know that some of you male OOfers think that these are the poorest tyre ever made.But I disagree. :y
Road noise is much less than before ,and the car seems to grip the road well enough in both wet and dry conditions alike. :-* :-*
The tread pattern looks modern to my eyes and not like some sixties communist left overs. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I will be the first to agree that they not as good as a premium brand(I was quoted over £600 for four new Pirelli. :-[ :-[ :-[
In summary,if money was no object ,I would not have bought them ,but other than on a race track they seem fine to me.
Anybody know how long they last.?. :-* :-* :-*
When I first purchased my car Dusty it had Wanli tyres on all four wheels, so when I suffered a puncture I bought the same make as a replacement.
But then I saw posted terrible warnings about them on this site, by Cem and others, backed up by poor to very bad web entries on them.
Despite one brand new Wanli tyre having just been fitted, I had all replaced with Avon's. Since then I have not only felt considerably safer, but there has been a very distinct improvement in handling and on the noise front. The car now drives very differently, giving me confidence again to use the miggy to the full as I like to without fear. :y :y
A good choice Lizzie,but out of my price range at present.
Now then,if I can just get those six little numbers on the television to match up with mine. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
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avon rubber
not good
we had lots of problems with avon getting them to balance right
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Further to my tyre thread ,a few days ago.
I have just purchased 4x Wanli 225/55/16W tyres at a cost of £50each including fitting and balance etc.
Now I know that some of you male OOfers think that these are the poorest tyre ever made.But I disagree. :y
Road noise is much less than before ,and the car seems to grip the road well enough in both wet and dry conditions alike. :-* :-*
The tread pattern looks modern to my eyes and not like some sixties communist left overs. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I will be the first to agree that they not as good as a premium brand(I was quoted over £600 for four new Pirelli. :-[ :-[ :-[
In summary,if money was no object ,I would not have bought them ,but other than on a race track they seem fine to me.
Anybody know how long they last.?. :-* :-* :-*
When I first purchased my car Dusty it had Wanli tyres on all four wheels, so when I suffered a puncture I bought the same make as a replacement.
But then I saw posted terrible warnings about them on this site, by Cem and others, backed up by poor to very bad web entries on them.
Despite one brand new Wanli tyre having just been fitted, I had all replaced with Avon's. Since then I have not only felt considerably safer, but there has been a very distinct improvement in handling and on the noise front. The car now drives very differently, giving me confidence again to use the miggy to the full as I like to without fear. :y :y
A good choice Lizzie,but out of my price range at present.
Now then,if I can just get those six little numbers on the television to match up with mine. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
I know what you mean, but the Avon's were only £396 all in. ;)
Also when I am hitting top speeds I like to know I have a brand like Avon, which I usually had in the past, under me. 8-) 8-) :D ;)
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Further to my tyre thread ,a few days ago.
I have just purchased 4x Wanli 225/55/16W tyres at a cost of £50each including fitting and balance etc.
Now I know that some of you male OOfers think that these are the poorest tyre ever made.But I disagree. :y
Road noise is much less than before ,and the car seems to grip the road well enough in both wet and dry conditions alike. :-* :-*
The tread pattern looks modern to my eyes and not like some sixties communist left overs. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I will be the first to agree that they not as good as a premium brand(I was quoted over £600 for four new Pirelli. :-[ :-[ :-[
In summary,if money was no object ,I would not have bought them ,but other than on a race track they seem fine to me.
Anybody know how long they last.?. :-* :-* :-*
When I first purchased my car Dusty it had Wanli tyres on all four wheels, so when I suffered a puncture I bought the same make as a replacement.
But then I saw posted terrible warnings about them on this site, by Cem and others, backed up by poor to very bad web entries on them.
Despite one brand new Wanli tyre having just been fitted, I had all replaced with Avon's. Since then I have not only felt considerably safer, but there has been a very distinct improvement in handling and on the noise front. The car now drives very differently, giving me confidence again to use the miggy to the full as I like to without fear. :y :y
A good choice Lizzie,but out of my price range at present.
Now then,if I can just get those six little numbers on the television to match up with mine. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
I know what you mean, but the Avon's were only £396 all in. ;)
Also when I am hitting top speeds I like to know I have a brand like Avon, which I usually had in the past, under me. 8-) 8-) :D ;)
Lizzie living up to her name I see ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I hope you will not need any urgent braking..especially in wet conditions..
As I have curiosity for different tire brands, tried most of them michelin, bridgestone, semperit, goodyear, hankook,Lassa,Pirelli..
My experiences showed that michelins are good tires but definitely tire life is short in our road conditions and expensive (Fathers car had them)
Hankook cheap very soft ,silent ,comfy but not good at curves at high speeds or in braking under wet conditions so will never buy them again even their tests are good..
Pirelli p6000 not bad not good avg tire (father bought them without me)
For the grip bridgestone ER300 was really worth its price, good in every respect wet and dry.. :y and nowadays will be my general preference if budget cant cope with Potenza..
Bridgestone Blizzak (snow tires) clit have them..Good tires but grip not like Goodyear UG500 not for heavy conditions..
Goodyear Eagle F1 (not asymmetric) exceptional tire in dry but cant say the same for wet conditions :-/ and expensive..
Good year Excellence, comfy and adequate in most conditions fairly suitable price..
Good year Hydragrip perfect for fast driving in rain but never comfy in omega , I sell them for half price..
Good year Ultragrip 500 (can be used with studs) perfect for ice and snow - Omega have them..
Good year Ventura..Very good for dry..Medium for wet.And have a very long tire life..
Semperit , snow tires were good.. But havent tested the normal season tires..
Lassa Snoways , very good tires for wet and snow..And have long tire life..
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ive got ZV-3's on the back of my car to replace my Nankangs and i will be getting more zv-3's for the front they seem a very good tyre and havent let me down yet nice and grippy in the wet and dry :y
Kumho are the worst cheap tyre
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They transmit a lot of road noise,I have 4 on my v6 they seem alright other than that.
PS bought 4 complete elite alloys with em on barely used ! £160 :y
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Ive just fitted 2 nankangs on the front of mine (£80) the pair ;) ;)special price through a friend of me brothers who owns a tyre fitting company ,I had a pair of Dunlop Sportracs on prevoiusly but me bad tracking killed them in 6k and as ive got road tax and mot at end of month,moneys to tight to mention :-[ :-[ :-[
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Just had two Kuhmo's on mine about a month ago. £75 each fitted and balanced, seem ok for a budget tyre. :y
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Further to my tyre thread ,a few days ago.
I have just purchased 4x Wanli 225/55/16W tyres at a cost of £50each including fitting and balance etc.
Now I know that some of you male OOfers think that these are the poorest tyre ever made.But I disagree. :y
Road noise is much less than before ,and the car seems to grip the road well enough in both wet and dry conditions alike. :-* :-*
The tread pattern looks modern to my eyes and not like some sixties communist left overs. 8-) 8-) 8-)
I will be the first to agree that they not as good as a premium brand(I was quoted over £600 for four new Pirelli. :-[ :-[ :-[
In summary,if money was no object ,I would not have bought them ,but other than on a race track they seem fine to me.
Anybody know how long they last.?. :-* :-* :-*
When I first purchased my car Dusty it had Wanli tyres on all four wheels, so when I suffered a puncture I bought the same make as a replacement.
But then I saw posted terrible warnings about them on this site, by Cem and others, backed up by poor to very bad web entries on them.
Despite one brand new Wanli tyre having just been fitted, I had all replaced with Avon's. Since then I have not only felt considerably safer, but there has been a very distinct improvement in handling and on the noise front. The car now drives very differently, giving me confidence again to use the miggy to the full as I like to without fear. :y :y
A good choice Lizzie,but out of my price range at present.
Now then,if I can just get those six little numbers on the television to match up with mine. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
I know what you mean, but the Avon's were only £396 all in. ;)
Also when I am hitting top speeds I like to know I have a brand like Avon, which I usually had in the past, under me. 8-) 8-) :D ;)
Lizzie living up to her name I see ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Well I don't hang around when safe to do so! :D ;) ;)
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got a pair of event tyres on the back of the 2.0 litre £70 a pair
cant complain they grip well enough
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Bought 4 Wanli's for our old 2.0 CD and found them fine.
Obivously they would be terrible for track use (!!) and fast road driving,but for normal people driving normally every day i was well pleased with them, considering I only paid £37 a corner for them.
Dont believe all you read, make your own mind up about them.
:y
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Bought 4 Wanli's for our old 2.0 CD and found them fine.
Obivously they would be terrible for track use (!!) and fast road driving,but for normal people driving normally every day i was well pleased with them, considering I only paid £37 a corner for them.
Dont believe all you read, make your own mind up about them.
:y
It wasn't just the poor press I found, but they did make the car unstable when you didn't want it to be! :o :o :o :(
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i bought 4 wanlis for my tub and then spent a small fortune on replacing all four wheel bearings because i could not figure out where this horrible noise was coming from.i then replaced the front ones with pirrellis and i then found that the rear would overtake the front everytime i went round a roundabout.they are without a shadow of a doubt the biggest pile of sh*te i have ever purchased,and i hang my head in shame
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Here's the picture of your connection with road :-/
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/iz.jpg)
and imagine you are inside a 1.5 tonne car cruising at 50 mph and
trying to stop it in wet conditions (which is the actual case in rainy
days)..
And considering the wet brake test results from 50 mph to 0
* test car BMW 330 ci (approx 1.5 ton)
* Eagle F1 GS-D3 94.1 ft
* Bridgestone Potenza Re050 94.4 ft
* Continental SportiCont 95.7 ft
* Dunlop Sport Maxx 97.2 ft
* Hankook K 104 100.7 ft
* Kumho Ecsta 104.2 ft
the distance can vary upto 10 ft :-? and this test is with a new car and unused tires !
so actual conditions and results with an heavier omega would differ more..
Tire firms spend mega bucks on research every year .. And try to develop their products which will proportionally reflect to their products with quality and price .. And obviously its an area "You get what you pay for"..
As a conclusion: if my and others life is concerned, I would trust only tests and famous brands..
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i bought 4 wanlis for my tub and then spent a small fortune on replacing all four wheel bearings because i could not figure out where this horrible noise was coming from.i then replaced the front ones with pirrellis and i then found that the rear would overtake the front everytime i went round a roundabout.they are without a shadow of a doubt the biggest pile of sh*te i have ever purchased,and i hang my head in shame
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Not a fan of the Wanli then ;D ;D :-* :-* they seem to do the job adequately well in my view. :-* :-*
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Here's the picture of your connection with road :-/
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/iz.jpg)
and imagine you are inside a 1.5 tonne car cruising at 50 mph and
trying to stop it in wet conditions (which is the actual case in rainy
days)..
And considering the wet brake test results from 50 mph to 0
* test car BMW 330 ci (approx 1.5 ton)
* Eagle F1 GS-D3 94.1 ft
* Bridgestone Potenza Re050 94.4 ft
* Continental SportiCont 95.7 ft
* Dunlop Sport Maxx 97.2 ft
* Hankook K 104 100.7 ft
* Kumho Ecsta 104.2 ft
the distance can vary upto 10 ft :-? and this test is with a new car !
so actual conditions and results with an heavier omega would differ more..
Tire firms spend mega bucks on research every year .. And try to develop their products which will proportionally reflect to their products with quality and price .. And obviously its an area "You get what you pay for"..
As a conclusion: if my and others life is concerned, I would trust only tests and famous brands..
If we all lived in Utopia ,Iwould fully agree with you Cem.
But in this less than perfect world ,sometimes a compromise balancing cost and performance has to be made. :-/ :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Cem.Do you have any data on the dreaded Wanli tyre. :-* :-* :y :y :y
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Hi - just a word of warning on the Wanli tyres - check for cracks on the tyre walls - they were fitted on my current Omega when I bought it and all had at least 5 mm of tread - went for the MOT and it failed because 3 of my apparently great tyres had cracked on the tyre walls, somehow all on the wall facing the inside of the car so you could only see it if you took the wheel off or looked under the car with a torch etc - all replaced with Nexens which have been really good and only £55 each (bear in mind they are 17's!)
Not trying to dampen your good deal but better safe than sorry as it was something I never thought of doing with any of my cars.
Darren
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Here's the picture of your connection with road :-/
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/iz.jpg)
and imagine you are inside a 1.5 tonne car cruising at 50 mph and
trying to stop it in wet conditions (which is the actual case in rainy
days)..
And considering the wet brake test results from 50 mph to 0
* test car BMW 330 ci (approx 1.5 ton)
* Eagle F1 GS-D3 94.1 ft
* Bridgestone Potenza Re050 94.4 ft
* Continental SportiCont 95.7 ft
* Dunlop Sport Maxx 97.2 ft
* Hankook K 104 100.7 ft
* Kumho Ecsta 104.2 ft
the distance can vary upto 10 ft :-? and this test is with a new car !
so actual conditions and results with an heavier omega would differ more..
Tire firms spend mega bucks on research every year .. And try to develop their products which will proportionally reflect to their products with quality and price .. And obviously its an area "You get what you pay for"..
As a conclusion: if my and others life is concerned, I would trust only tests and famous brands..
If we all lived in Utopia ,Iwould fully agree with you Cem.
But in this less than perfect world ,sometimes a compromise balancing cost and performance has to be made. :-/ :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Cem.Do you have any data on the dreaded Wanli tyre. :-* :-* :y :y :y
I had..will try to find for you :y
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after some check..
http://www.gizmag.com/wet-weather-braking-tests-show-budget-tires-dont-pay/10850/picture/65464/
when its raining use metro ;D :y (just a joke) ;D
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I bought four Contis for £75 each.
Avon used to be a good brand, especially as bike tyres
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after some check..
http://www.gizmag.com/wet-weather-braking-tests-show-budget-tires-dont-pay/10850/picture/65464/
when its raining use metro ;D :y (just a joke) ;D
Used Nankangs on several different cars and really cannot fault them in dry or wet.
Any tire will let go if provoked enough..but day to day driving never had any complaints.
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after some check..
http://www.gizmag.com/wet-weather-braking-tests-show-budget-tires-dont-pay/10850/picture/65464/
when its raining use metro ;D :y (just a joke) ;D
Only about 10 feet longer from 50MPH in the wet.
I always travel well back from the car in front ,so not a major problem for me.
Thanks for the info Cem. :-* :-* :-*
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after some check..
http://www.gizmag.com/wet-weather-braking-tests-show-budget-tires-dont-pay/10850/picture/65464/
when its raining use metro ;D :y (just a joke) ;D
Only about 10 feet longer from 50MPH in the wet.
I always travel well back from the car in front ,so not a major problem for me.
Thanks for the info Cem. :-* :-* :-*
Whilst Cem"s post does highlight an important fact dont forget everyones thinking distance is different...your cars condition would play a part in breaking distance....condition of brakes ect ect not just tyre make.
I feel theres far too much snobbishness about ""premium tyres"" over Budget tyres.
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Ok..
I think in my post, this part "with a new car and unused tires !" is neglected..
So actual distances will change drastically with lower thread depths
here is
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/thread_depths.jpg)
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My 2.5 had good Michelins all round £80 a corner.
The Beastie has Goodyear Eagle F1's, very grippy in the dry, hav'nt pushed things too hard in wet conditions (other than being a little playful)! but had to stop quick a on wet road once & the car pulled up quick & straight, no dramas.
I like the F1's but @ £180 a corner my wheels & tyres are worth more than the car so not sure what i'll replace them with when the time comes. :-/
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ive got ZV-3's on the back of my car to replace my Nankangs and i will be getting more zv-3's for the front they seem a very good tyre and havent let me down yet nice and grippy in the wet and dry :y
Kumho are the worst cheap tyre
Strangely, I've found Avon ZV3s to be the worse tyre I've ever had on Omega :-/
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ive got ZV-3's on the back of my car to replace my Nankangs and i will be getting more zv-3's for the front they seem a very good tyre and havent let me down yet nice and grippy in the wet and dry :y
Kumho are the worst cheap tyre
Strangely, I've found Avon ZV3s to be the worse tyre I've ever had on Omega :-/
Got to agree with that, got some on the back of this one, can't wait to get some decent Sport 9090's on it.
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ive got ZV-3's on the back of my car to replace my Nankangs and i will be getting more zv-3's for the front they seem a very good tyre and havent let me down yet nice and grippy in the wet and dry :y
Kumho are the worst cheap tyre
Strangely, I've found Avon ZV3s to be the worse tyre I've ever had on Omega :-/
Got to agree with that, got some on the back of this one, can't wait to get some decent Sport 9090's on it.
As I have mentioned I have had Avon's on and off many times over the years and always found them excellent :y :y.
The current ZZ3's I have on are no exception, with very good road holding in all conditions 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-).
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My 2.5 had good Michelins all round £80 a corner.
The Beastie has Goodyear Eagle F1's, very grippy in the dry, hav'nt pushed things too hard in wet conditions (other than being a little playful)! but had to stop quick a on wet road once & the car pulled up quick & straight, no dramas.
I like the F1's but @ £180 a corner my wheels & tyres are worth more than the car so not sure what i'll replace them with when the time comes. :-/
I paid just under £100 a corner for them new.
Now got Goodyear Excellence on the toyshop and quite happy with them. Was having some energetic fun today on the twisty coastal roads round here and they behaved impeccably. Likewise, happy with their wet performance as well.
Despite calls and claims to the contrary, I have not yet found a decent 'budget' tyre that ticks all my boxes as to performance.
As to Wanli tyres, I cannot comment as I have never used them personally. What I can say is, after being at the scene of many a serious and fatal car crash, in varying weather conditions, and carrying out vehicle and brake tests, the more expensive/premium make the tyre then the greater liklyhood of the vehicle either being under control or brought to a halt earlier.
Personally, tyres is one thing I do not skimp on. I enjoy my cars ( and my life and that of others) too much. Tyre companies test expensively to get the best product available out there. For a reason...
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after being at the scene of many a serious and fatal car crash, in varying weather conditions, and carrying out vehicle and brake tests, the more expensive/premium make the tyre then the greater liklyhood of the vehicle either being under control or brought to a halt earlier.
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Is were tyre makes something that you'd have noted when making notes on the remnants of cars involved in major accidents - aswell as the legality of tread etc ?
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after being at the scene of many a serious and fatal car crash, in varying weather conditions, and carrying out vehicle and brake tests, the more expensive/premium make the tyre then the greater liklyhood of the vehicle either being under control or brought to a halt earlier.
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Is were tyre makes something that you'd have noted when making notes on the remnants of cars involved in major accidents - aswell as the legality of tread etc ?
Most definately, yes.
I am a qualfied C&G accident investigator and considered an expert witness within Court processes. Whether bald/deficient tyres had a bearing on an accident was often critical to an investigation.
Whether particular tyres are good/bad/indifferent, thats simply a personal observation on what I would or would not have on my own car.
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after being at the scene of many a serious and fatal car crash, in varying weather conditions, and carrying out vehicle and brake tests, the more expensive/premium make the tyre then the greater liklyhood of the vehicle either being under control or brought to a halt earlier.
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Is were tyre makes something that you'd have noted when making notes on the remnants of cars involved in major accidents - aswell as the legality of tread etc ?
Most definately, yes.
I am a qualfied C&G accident investigator and considered an expert witness within Court processes. Whether bald/deficient tyres had a bearing on an accident was often critical to an investigation.
Whether particular tyres are good/bad/indifferent, thats simply a personal observation on what I would or would not have on my own car.
.... and tyre pressures versus manufacturers recommended were also noted and reported. Pressure imbalances can and often are crucial to handling problems and impacts.
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after being at the scene of many a serious and fatal car crash, in varying weather conditions, and carrying out vehicle and brake tests, the more expensive/premium make the tyre then the greater liklyhood of the vehicle either being under control or brought to a halt earlier.
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Is were tyre makes something that you'd have noted when making notes on the remnants of cars involved in major accidents - aswell as the legality of tread etc ?
Most definately, yes.
I am a qualfied C&G accident investigator and considered an expert witness within Court processes. Whether bald/deficient tyres had a bearing on an accident was often critical to an investigation.
Whether particular tyres are good/bad/indifferent, thats simply a personal observation on what I would or would not have on my own car.
.... and tyre pressures versus manufacturers recommended were also noted and reported. Pressure imbalances can and often are crucial to handling problems and impacts.
Ta!
I'll have to put some over time in then & get shut of these Events & 2 A N Others off then! :y :y
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after being at the scene of many a serious and fatal car crash, in varying weather conditions, and carrying out vehicle and brake tests, the more expensive/premium make the tyre then the greater liklyhood of the vehicle either being under control or brought to a halt earlier.
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Is were tyre makes something that you'd have noted when making notes on the remnants of cars involved in major accidents - aswell as the legality of tread etc ?
Most definately, yes.
I am a qualfied C&G accident investigator and considered an expert witness within Court processes. Whether bald/deficient tyres had a bearing on an accident was often critical to an investigation.
Whether particular tyres are good/bad/indifferent, thats simply a personal observation on what I would or would not have on my own car.
.... and tyre pressures versus manufacturers recommended were also noted and reported. Pressure imbalances can and often are crucial to handling problems and impacts.
Ta!
I'll have to put some over time in then & get shut of these Events & 2 A N Others off then! :y :y
Any guide on what is legally considered to be "within range" of the correct tire pressure. For instance my Elite i beleive is 32 in the hand book, however at that pressure i have since discovered the car tramlines quite badly. I have now raised the psi to 36 to counter this and the car is a bit less grippy in the rain, however dry grip is still good.
In short, is the pressure too high from a legal view point, and what would be considred too low, to the best of your knowledge?
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run your tyre pressure between 32 and 34 all round
running them at 36 will cause your tyres to wear in the centre
i run mine at 34 and have no problems at all :y
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run your tyre pressure between 32 and 34 all round
running them at 36 will cause your tyres to wear in the centre
i run mine at 34 and have no problems at all :y
Yes i am aware of this, 235 45 17s do tend to wear in the middle anywyay i am told, and the previous set did just that and seemed to be set at 32 going by the average of all four when i got the car.
I am not too worried if they wear prematurely, as a want to get rid of them.
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run your tyre pressure between 32 and 34 all round
running them at 36 will cause your tyres to wear in the centre
i run mine at 34 and have no problems at all :y
Yes i am aware of this, 235 45 17s do tend to wear in the middle anywyay i am told, and the previous set did just that and seemed to be set at 32 going by the average of all four when i got the car.
I am not too worried if they wear prematurely, as a want to get rid of them.
I'm sure the manual says you can run them higher than 34 when you have 2 passengers / boot is loaded.....
Have to say mine seems better at 34 compared to 32.
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Here is a question for the knowlegable then, I have two of the Wanli's on the front with approx 7-8mm tread on and two firestone on the rear with around 4mm of tread on. Would I be best with the better make but lower tread on the back where the drive is or the front where most breaking work is done?
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Here is a question for the knowlegable then, I have two of the Wanli's on the front with approx 7-8mm tread on and two firestone on the rear with around 4mm of tread on. Would I be best with the better make but lower tread on the back where the drive is or the front where most breaking work is done?
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for the brake distance higher tread tires must be used in front.. But dont forget you must drop your speed at curves for not to loose the tail as front and rears can stand different g forces..
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Here is a question for the knowlegable then, I have two of the Wanli's on the front with approx 7-8mm tread on and two firestone on the rear with around 4mm of tread on. Would I be best with the better make but lower tread on the back where the drive is or the front where most breaking work is done?
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The way it was explained to me, the front has much higher grip requirements for safety than the rear, generally speaking. Think braking, weight transfer, steering requirements, etc more so than acceleration grip or keeping the rear in line.
If the rear steps out then accurate steering input can resolve the matter, if suitable driver input is available thus good front grip is an essential.
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for the brake distance higher tread tires must be used in front.. But dont forget you must drop your speed at curves for not to loose the tail as front and rears can stand different g forces..
Very true. Given that you've got 8mm of tread on the fronts and a superior tyre with less tread on the rear the car might be reasonably well balanced at the moment. Putting the worse tyre on the rear does risk the car developing a tendency to oversteer but then again, the demands on the rear tyres overall are less. Try it and see. On the other hand, if it's currently behaving itself, leave well alone.
Yes i am aware of this, 235 45 17s do tend to wear in the middle anywyay i am told, and the previous set did just that and seemed to be set at 32 going by the average of all four when i got the car.
Interesting you say that. Mine are usually at about 35 and they wear perfectly evenly. Goes to show that different brands of tyre require different pressure settings.
What I have found when experimenting with tyre pressures (more often on the Westfield than the Omega) is that as soon as you go too low there's a very pronounced drop off in performance under hard cornering where the car just breaks away. This is probably because the tyre structure deforms under load and can't maintain a contact patch. A couple of PSI above this pressure seems to be a "sweet spot" where dry and wet grip are best and then there's a much more gradual degradation as you increase the pressure above this "optimum".
Kevin
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Here is a question for the knowlegable then, I have two of the Wanli's on the front with approx 7-8mm tread on and two firestone on the rear with around 4mm of tread on. Would I be best with the better make but lower tread on the back where the drive is or the front where most breaking work is done?
:-/
The way it was explained to me, the front has much higher grip requirements for safety than the rear, generally speaking. Think braking, weight transfer, steering requirements, etc more so than acceleration grip or keeping the rear in line.
If the rear steps out then accurate steering input can resolve the matter, if suitable driver input is available thus good front grip is an essential.
Buy two tyres from Costco though, and they insist that they move the old rears to the front & put the two new tyres on the back. Michelin recommends this, so no matter where you want your new tyres they will only go off Michelin's guide. clicky (http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-van-4x4/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html)
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Here is a question for the knowlegable then, I have two of the Wanli's on the front with approx 7-8mm tread on and two firestone on the rear with around 4mm of tread on. Would I be best with the better make but lower tread on the back where the drive is or the front where most breaking work is done?
:-/
The way it was explained to me, the front has much higher grip requirements for safety than the rear, generally speaking. Think braking, weight transfer, steering requirements, etc more so than acceleration grip or keeping the rear in line.
If the rear steps out then accurate steering input can resolve the matter, if suitable driver input is available thus good front grip is an essential.
Buy two tyres from Costco though, and they insist that they move the old rears to the front & put the two new tyres on the back. Michelin recommends this, so no matter where you want your new tyres they will only go off Michelin's guide. clicky (http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-van-4x4/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html)
reason obvious.. first aim is to control the car on curves other than braking distance.. valid for newbie drivers or drivers new to their car behaviour..
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but I must note that braking power front/rear ratio is mostly 100/50-60.. so if you use the good tires on the back you will end up with real crappy brake distance despite the new two tire cost :D
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Good old Wanlii ditch finders, I was not to impressed with them but then I perhaps push the car a bit harder than Dusty :y
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Thanks for the replys, I must say the only thing I found a little dissapointing with the mig is the handling on tight bends or roundabouts, reading everything on here that may be down to the tyres! I'll have to look at getting some better rubber on maybe! :y
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Good old Wanlii ditch finders, I was not to impressed with them but then I perhaps push the car a bit harder than Dusty :y
That statement does not fill me with confidence mark.
But I would still be faster than you on a racetrack anyday. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Good old Wanlii ditch finders, I was not to impressed with them but then I perhaps push the car a bit harder than Dusty :y
That statement does not fill me with confidence mark.
But I would still be faster than you on a racetrack anyday. ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
Now that sounds like the gauntlet laid down! ;D ;D
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Thanks for the replys, I must say the only thing I found a little dissapointing with the mig is the handling on tight bends or roundabouts, reading everything on here that may be down to the tyres! I'll have to look at getting some better rubber on maybe! :y
But dont forget the Omega is a big heavy car..start chucking it around and it wont behave like a hot hatch regardless of tyres... ;D