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Title: royal family reforms
Post by: Richie London on 28 March 2009, 13:09:46
Gordon Brown has spoken to Buckingham Palace about scrapping the law that bans Catholics from marrying into the Royal family.

wouldnt help veterans get to the 60th anniversary of d-day until protests were made on facebook, now he wants to be part of it.

wants to ban celebrations of st georegs day as it may offend people

now wants to scrap 300 yrs of royal tradition and allow catholics to be allowed into the royal family.

do you think this should go ahead, is gordon brown intent on scrapping everything that england stands for??

whats your opinion??
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: cam2502 on 28 March 2009, 13:13:27
Gordon Brown zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, oh sorry,fell asleep there,the very mention of the man does that to me.  >:(
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: TheBoy on 28 March 2009, 13:20:32
I'm not interested in the religion side of this debate - thats a different can of worms - but how can the head of the Church of England be a Catholic. History tells us how much intolerance there is between Catholics and Prodestants...
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: vauxmad on 28 March 2009, 13:24:54
He's a muppet, thats my opinion and the sooner he's out the better!

Thats what happens when a scots man is incharge of england
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 28 March 2009, 13:26:24
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I'm not interested in the religion side of this debate - thats a different can of worms - but how can the head of the Church of England be a Catholic. History tells us how much intolerance there is between Catholics and Prodestants...



If I am correct historically, the Church of England is originally the Catholic Church of England...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

Something many people do not realise...

 :) :y

Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: vauxmad on 28 March 2009, 13:29:05
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I'm not interested in the religion side of this debate - thats a different can of worms - but how can the head of the Church of England be a Catholic. History tells us how much intolerance there is between Catholics and Prodestants...


If I am correct historically, the Church of England is originally the Catholic Church of England...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

Something many people do not realise...

 :) :y


indeed it was started as a differnet version of the catholic church so that King Henry VIII could get divorced (not allowed in catholic church) and he appointed himself the head of it. so you can't have a catholic head otherwise it would be come catholic church number 2

Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: Richie London on 28 March 2009, 13:32:20
well we have a ginger in line to the throne so everything is possible now  ;D ;D
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: portomega on 28 March 2009, 13:34:20
Why cant they just leave things alone!! its worked for 300 years and now they want to change it, another example of how touchy feely insanley p.c this lot are!, they are bunch of muppets ::)  the sooner we get rid the better  :) :y
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: HolyCount on 28 March 2009, 13:36:27
1... I think he should leave tradition alone

2... Hasn't the government got more pressing issues it should be spending time, energy and money sorting out

3... if they don't concentrate on 2, 1 will be irelevant !!
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: cam2502 on 28 March 2009, 13:37:45
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well we have a ginger in line to the throne so everything is possible now  ;D ;D
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 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 28 March 2009, 13:39:12
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1... I think he should leave tradition alone

2... Hasn't the government got more pressing issues it should be spending time, energy and money sorting out

3... if they don't concentrate on 2, 1 will be irelevant !!
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So very true...this should be government priority...

 :y :y
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: cam2502 on 28 March 2009, 13:40:13
seroius question time.......We voted in blair in 97,so when he decided it was time to go,how come brown steps in? shouldnt there have been a general election? As you can see,politics isnt my strong point.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: portomega on 28 March 2009, 13:41:15
Its what happens when you let Communists run the country  :) >:(
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: Richie London on 28 March 2009, 13:43:28
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1... I think he should leave tradition alone

2... Hasn't the government got more pressing issues it should be spending time, energy and money sorting out

3... if they don't concentrate on 2, 1 will be irelevant !!

if you read the last 2 paragraphs by andrew roberts i think it sums it up why hes brought this up now

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5065063/Gordon-Browns-assault-on-the-traditions-of-the-monarchy-is-preposterous.html
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: waspy on 28 March 2009, 13:45:18
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seroius question time.......We voted in blair in 97,so when he decided it was time to go,how come brown steps in? shouldnt there have been a general election? As you can see,politics isnt my strong point.

I didn't :)
As for banning St Georges day, just let them try >:( >:(
Religion= Pah. Can we have a smillie that spits ;D
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: portomega on 28 March 2009, 13:47:02
If this idea is about keeping Catholics happy and not offending them, then surely the next step would be to ban Bonfire night?
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: vauxmad on 28 March 2009, 13:48:04
indeed as he says it could be an attempt to hide something else they have done.......
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 28 March 2009, 13:49:23
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seroius question time.......We voted in blair in 97,so when he decided it was time to go,how come brown steps in? shouldnt there have been a general election? As you can see,politics isnt my strong point.

I didn't :)
As for banning St Georges day, just let them try >:( >:(
Religion= Pah. Can we have a smillie that spits ;D
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 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: portomega on 28 March 2009, 13:52:16
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indeed as he says it could be an attempt to hide something else they have done.......

I think they might have sold all our livers to some illegal chinese organ farming ogranistation to help pay for the crap they've gotten us all into  :o
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: HolyCount on 28 March 2009, 14:05:16
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1... I think he should leave tradition alone

2... Hasn't the government got more pressing issues it should be spending time, energy and money sorting out

3... if they don't concentrate on 2, 1 will be irelevant !!

if you read the last 2 paragraphs by andrew roberts i think it sums it up why hes brought this up now

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5065063/Gordon-Browns-assault-on-the-traditions-of-the-monarchy-is-preposterous.html


Yes, traditionally, political parties have always used bad times -- when thoughts are elsewhere, to introduce possibly unpopular changes.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: Richie London on 28 March 2009, 18:26:48
god save king gordon of nottingham.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: albitz on 28 March 2009, 18:30:10
I think there is more to this than meets the eye.As the Boy said the monarch is the head of the anglican church,if in the future a non Anglican is on the throne then the link between church/monarchy is broken,this would no longer be an Anglican country,so there would be no official religion and therefore a totally secular society,or perhaps another religion could become the official faith.perhaps one which had quite a lot of practising /devout followers ;)
The bishops would also lose their seats in the lords to be replaced by,probably another load of cronies/yes men.
In effect the countrys constitution would be torn up and thrown away.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: albitz on 28 March 2009, 19:05:56
Why is Gormless trying to do this? could it be that he is trying to tempt the scottish catholics to come back to Labour and stop voting SNP?
May well not happen anyway,apparently the palace informed him that he has no right,it can only be done with the agreement of the heads of all commonwealth states as the monarch is not just monarch of the UK,but the whole commonwealth.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: TheBoy on 28 March 2009, 19:33:46
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I'm not interested in the religion side of this debate - thats a different can of worms - but how can the head of the Church of England be a Catholic. History tells us how much intolerance there is between Catholics and Prodestants...



If I am correct historically, the Church of England is originally the Catholic Church of England...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

Something many people do not realise...

 :) :y

very true, i was being lazy and meaning papal catholics...
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: albitz on 28 March 2009, 20:51:44
Correct,The Catholic Church of England (Anglican)and the Roman Catholic Church are two completely different organisations.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: Martin_1962 on 28 March 2009, 21:42:27
Anglicanism is an inbetween religion between Catholics and Protestants.

ie it has features of both.

eg alcohol is allowed, yet clergy can marry

So basically if you are classed as CofE you are Anglican and so neither but both of the above

Confused - I am
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: albitz on 28 March 2009, 22:16:25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicanism
Basically the church of England has over time expanded to other countries and is known internationally as the Anglican church,ie church of Scotland,church of Ireland etc,like the church of England but outside of England.
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: M0T0RVATE on 29 March 2009, 10:57:57
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I'm not interested in the religion side of this debate - thats a different can of worms - but how can the head of the Church of England be a Catholic. History tells us how much intolerance there is between Catholics and Prodestants...



If I am correct historically, the Church of England is originally the Catholic Church of England...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

Something many people do not realise...

 :) :y

very true, i was being lazy and meaning papal catholics...

Wasnt criticising your post, just found thread interesting...

 :y :y
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: vauxmad on 29 March 2009, 11:03:44
there seams to be a lot of refrences to wikipedia which is not really the most reliable source
Title: Re: royal family reforms
Post by: HolyCount on 29 March 2009, 12:45:36
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there seams to be a lot of refrences to wikipedia which is not really the most reliable source

No, it's not -- but it is getting better! At the end of the day, though, we are talking papists, as in Roman Catholics.

My family was, and some of them still are, staunchly R.C and through and through Royalist at the same time. Both of which allegiances have cost them dearly over the centuries.

However, I still think GB should keep in nose out of our traditions and concentrate on getting us out of the mess he got us into  >:(