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Title: A compromise
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 30 January 2007, 08:38:33
Ok, having discussed and slept on it, she's happy that Omega's are my thing, and that I should not pull out of this alltogether.

Apart from work, I don't really do much else, other than my car hobbies, so it's agreed I should be allowed to spend a reasonable amount of time with my Omega's and this forum respectively.

So I apologise if I was hasty in saying I might leave - because upon come calmer consideration, I'm not going to be doing so.

Especially as I've just bought a Meega project that I need to get through an MOT and repair a slight bump to the drivers side! (Yes, confirmed it's had a bump. 'dangle berries'!).

Sorry for any confusion. You're all an absolutely great bunch and I'd miss being away too much. I am going to have to re-consider the amount of hours I spend on here.. but I'll still get plenty of times when on nights when I can browse the forum to my hearts content, and I'm "allowed" approx one hour per evening, broken up over however much I want :)

Picking up the project tonight with any luck, so more news to follow..

Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Admin on 30 January 2007, 08:53:54
Erm Ok.... says Dave having not read anything previous to this post!  :-?

Good, you are not leaving...

But...

What the  :-X were you thinking last night??

Leave?? Us?....

Try it!  >:(

 ;D
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Markie on 30 January 2007, 09:36:56
Welcome Backl  ;D

Funny creatures women arent they !
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: RossPhim on 30 January 2007, 09:58:58
I know you never really left ........ but welcome back anyway!  :y

Maybe you should drop in and say hi, in the new users section.  ;D

Good luck with SWMBO.
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: bob.dent on 30 January 2007, 11:04:43
I would say welcome back James, but......er........have you actually been away?? ::) ;D

Good to hear you got things resolved. :y

Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: nixoro on 30 January 2007, 11:07:38
Ok just posted in other thread but all the same good to see your still gonna be about :y
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: tunnie on 30 January 2007, 11:29:52
Glad I don't have a Mrs, do what ever I want when i want.....  and I have permission to say that from my mum!  ;D ;D

Seriously though, good to see you back James  :y
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 30 January 2007, 11:41:54
Its all a matter of self control.......and learning to prioritize and plan.

And remember that you have to include personal things in your planning and priorities to (this is the bit that most people DON'T do!)

As I always say, they are is no such thing as not having the time, its a case of not considering something important enough to allocate the the time to it......thought for the day!

If there is something we really want to do, lets be honest, we try to find the time to do it!
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 January 2007, 12:27:58
My wife watches quite a bit of guff TV so I'll surf instead!!
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Admin on 30 January 2007, 13:35:31
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Its all a matter of self control.......and learning to prioritize and plan.

And remember that you have to include personal things in your planning and priorities to (this is the bit that most people DON'T do!)

As I always say, they are is no such thing as not having the time, its a case of not considering something important enough to allocate the the time to it......thought for the day!

If there is something we really want to do, lets be honest, we try to find the time to do it!

Gentlemen, Mark is also available for team building sessions, motivational seminars, workshops and is soon releasing a DVD.  

PM me for rates and availability ;D
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 30 January 2007, 14:29:31
Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Nickbat on 30 January 2007, 15:04:58
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

Yes, it's mind boggling. My own favourite is as follows:

If you throw a tennis ball at the front of a locomotive travelling at speed, it will bounce off. I believe that there is a law of physics which states that before an obeject (the tennis ball, in this case) can reverse along its previous trajectory, its forward speed must reach zero. Therefore at that split millionth of nanosecond that the ball strikes and achieves zero mph, it is in physical contact with the train, which must logically also be travelling at zero mph.

Is this too far off thread?  ::)
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: bob.dent on 30 January 2007, 15:20:43
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

Interesting stuff, and following on from that..........

What if you could travel at twice the speed of light and you travelled to a planet 1 light year away from Earth and then back again. What would the scenario be? Would you arrive back on Earth 2 years before you left? Would you meet a 2 year younger version of yourself? Would you be able to prevent yourself from leaving Earth in the first place?......and so on. Mind boggling stuff!! :-? :P

I suspect many thing will be possible in the future, but not faster than light travel. Worm holes may well be a means of connecting different parts of the universe and one day it may be possible to utilise them for space travel, and who knows what lies within or beyond a black hole!! :-/

**edit** Apologies for going off thread a bit but an interesting subject raised my Mark.


Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 January 2007, 15:30:52
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

Light speed is 3x10^8m/s 300,000,000m/s = 300,000km/s = 186,000miles/sec

earth - moon roughly 240,000miles

Lets say ship does 2C with instant acceleration. 0.65 seconds, light takes about 1.3 seconds so you see what was there 0.65 seconds before departure. You also see your ship heading back to Earth and appearing to arrive on Earth about 0.65seconds after it left the Moon. What you are seeing is your trip out.
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 January 2007, 15:33:27
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

Yes, it's mind boggling. My own favourite is as follows:

If you throw a tennis ball at the front of a locomotive travelling at speed, it will bounce off. I believe that there is a law of physics which states that before an obeject (the tennis ball, in this case) can reverse along its previous trajectory, its forward speed must reach zero. Therefore at that split millionth of nanosecond that the ball strikes and achieves zero mph, it is in physical contact with the train, which must logically also be travelling at zero mph.

Is this too far off thread?  ::)

The ball deforms a lot, the cab front/smokebox deforms a very little, perhaps compressed a few atomic spacings in with a smoke box (cast steel) or 1/100mm for a cab with sheet steel.
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 January 2007, 15:36:46
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

Interesting stuff, and following on from that..........

What if you could travel at twice the speed of light and you travelled to a planet 1 light year away from Earth and then back again. What would the scenario be? Would you arrive back on Earth 2 years before you left? Would you meet a 2 year younger version of yourself? Would you be able to prevent yourself from leaving Earth in the first place?......and so on. Mind boggling stuff!! :-? :P

I suspect many thing will be possible in the future, but not faster than light travel. Worm holes may well be a means of connecting different parts of the universe and one day it may be possible to utilise them for space travel, and who knows what lies within or beyond a black hole!! :-/

**edit** Apologies for going off thread a bit but an interesting subject raised my Mark.



Well this messes up theory of relativity so I am assuming some form of inertialless drive or warp drive borrowing terms from EE Smith and Star Trek.

Your round trip would take a year Earth time, I have no idea how long local time would be, but it would be interesting to find out.

Wormholes? Do you have a Farscape module handy?
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Nickbat on 30 January 2007, 15:39:24
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

Yes, it's mind boggling. My own favourite is as follows:

If you throw a tennis ball at the front of a locomotive travelling at speed, it will bounce off. I believe that there is a law of physics which states that before an obeject (the tennis ball, in this case) can reverse along its previous trajectory, its forward speed must reach zero. Therefore at that split millionth of nanosecond that the ball strikes and achieves zero mph, it is in physical contact with the train, which must logically also be travelling at zero mph.

Is this too far off thread?  ::)

The ball deforms a lot, the cab front/smokebox deforms a very little, perhaps compressed a few atomic spacings in with a smoke box (cast steel) or 1/100mm for a cab with sheet steel.

True, but the nucleus of the ball (assuming it doesn't deform completely) will achieve zero speed and the compressed metal on the cab will, before it springs back also achieve zero speed. Thus, with the tennis ball and the cab front physically joined, even at maximum compression, atomic parts of the ball and the train must both achieve zero speed at the same time....or not!   :-/
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Allenm on 30 January 2007, 16:55:57
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Its a theory which I came up with myself, I am sure there are over payed preachers out there who harp on about the same principles though.

I have some funny thought provoking ideas sometimes....like...

If you could travel faster than the speed of light and you traveled from the earth to the moon and then looked back at the earth.....what would you see.....

The truth is....nobody knows.....do you see an image of yourself coming toward you.....does the image crash into the already parked craft.....is an exact copy of you now in existence (assuming you had moved your craft by remote after you had got out of it) which is permanently copying what you did a period of time ago.....

Do you now still think we can travel faster than the speed of light.....without resorting to alternative route technology (worm holes etc)....

I guess the light would create the equivilant of a sonic boom and you would see a single image representing what the last thing in view was before the light barrier was broken.  

I also suspect that the pain killers for your knees are bloody strong!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: RossPhim on 30 January 2007, 17:26:45
Have you guy's all been taking Mr McBurgers medication?  :o ;D :o
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: CaptainZok on 30 January 2007, 17:32:25
Surely travelling faster than light speed would be very dangerous.  You wouldn't see the tree/asteroid/small planet till after you hit it because you would have reached it before the light had reached your eye to see it. Or am I just being silly now? ;D
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: MaxV6 on 30 January 2007, 18:00:55
I'm having some difficulty deciding whether you all actually know the currently accepted "correct"  answers to these ponderings, or whether I should actually answer them.....  


 :question :question :question

 ;D 8-) :y
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2007, 18:26:29
Anyway, welcome back James :) - not that you ever went. Bit like the Rover diesel thing really ;)

Women. Can't live with them, can't shoot them....
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Admin on 30 January 2007, 18:47:51
May I recommend some reading material for our thinkers here?

For starters, stop thnking in terms of physics as you know it.

This is what theoretical quantum mechanics was developed to "explain".

A brief history of time: Professor Stephen Hawking.
In search of Schrodingers cat: John Gribben.

Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 January 2007, 18:57:42
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Surely travelling faster than light speed would be very dangerous.  You wouldn't see the tree/asteroid/small planet till after you hit it because you would have reached it before the light had reached your eye to see it. Or am I just being silly now? ;D


Would you notice?
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: MaxV6 on 30 January 2007, 19:10:31
probably not.....  given that you'd achieve near infinite mass....    i'd think you would be much more concerned about your dieting regime
Title: Re: A compromise
Post by: Martin_1962 on 30 January 2007, 21:10:09
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probably not.....  given that you'd achieve near infinite mass....    i'd think you would be much more concerned about your dieting regime

How did you know I am trying to lose weight?