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Title: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 12:51:17
An early MID with no missing pixels!

(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/odds/IMG_3571.JPG)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: ians on 31 March 2009, 12:52:46
thats a hitech rig you've got there.. ;)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 12:55:40
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thats a hitech rig you've got there.. ;)
Ah, yes, my bodge board.  Allows me to test some components without having to install them in my car...  ...MIDs in particular when I had Project TB1 (a 1996 CD) were beginning to wear out the dash screws ;D
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 12:56:44
And, yes, that is a gearbox ecu connector under that MID - I hope to be able to do autobox ecus via post at some point.
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: mantahatch on 31 March 2009, 13:03:59
Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 13:06:45
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike
You can tell that it is the yellow/blaack connectors by the fact the radio info line is above the fuel computer lines.  I'll try and get a pick of both together.

I doubt its for sale, its not mine!
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Richie London on 31 March 2009, 13:10:30
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And, yes, that is a gearbox ecu connector under that MID - I hope to be able to do autobox ecus via post at some point.


does that mean updating the gearbox??
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: mantahatch on 31 March 2009, 13:15:54
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike
You can tell that it is the yellow/blaack connectors by the fact the radio info line is above the fuel computer lines.  I'll try and get a pick of both together.

I doubt its for sale, its not mine!


OK thanks, if the owner does want to sell it, I would be interested.

Mike
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Kevin Wood on 31 March 2009, 13:24:20
Don't suppose you've tried powering up a climate panel on the bench? I have a pre-facelift panel here from a member in need of fan replacement and no pre-facelift to test it in. :-/

Kevin
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 15:22:41
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike
You can tell that it is the yellow/blaack connectors by the fact the radio info line is above the fuel computer lines.  I'll try and get a pick of both together.

I doubt its for sale, its not mine!


OK thanks, if the owner does want to sell it, I would be interested.

Mike
i doubt it, seeing as its been sent to me to reprogram ;)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 15:23:24
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Don't suppose you've tried powering up a climate panel on the bench? I have a pre-facelift panel here from a member in need of fan replacement and no pre-facelift to test it in. :-/

Kevin
Not yet, but I have the plugs I think for panel if you want to play
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: unlucky alf on 31 March 2009, 15:28:32
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And, yes, that is a gearbox ecu connector under that MID - I hope to be able to do autobox ecus via post at some point.
ive got an old g/box ecu you can play with TB!,mind you its a collectors item because its a rare FUBAR`d one ;D ;D
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 15:32:08
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And, yes, that is a gearbox ecu connector under that MID - I hope to be able to do autobox ecus via post at some point.
ive got an old g/box ecu you can play with TB!,mind you its a collectors item because its a rare FUBAR`d one ;D ;D
LOL, I think the one I'm using to test the rig is also, as I can't get the tinker to work!
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Kevin Wood on 31 March 2009, 15:40:37
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Don't suppose you've tried powering up a climate panel on the bench? I have a pre-facelift panel here from a member in need of fan replacement and no pre-facelift to test it in. :-/

Kevin
Not yet, but I have the plugs I think for panel if you want to play

Might be interesting. I'll have to set the current limit below the smoke liberation threshold just in case. ::)

Kevin
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 15:45:02
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Don't suppose you've tried powering up a climate panel on the bench? I have a pre-facelift panel here from a member in need of fan replacement and no pre-facelift to test it in. :-/

Kevin
Not yet, but I have the plugs I think for panel if you want to play

Might be interesting. I'll have to set the current limit below the smoke liberation threshold just in case. ::)

Kevin
 
I find using a good stable power supply capable of delivering huge currents (ie, a car battery) is a sure fire way of finding wiring faults ::)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Kevin Wood on 31 March 2009, 15:46:51
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I find using a good stable power supply capable of delivering huge currents (ie, a car battery) is a sure fire way of finding wiring faults ::)

Ahh, hence the great big crocodile clips?  ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 17:15:08
Few other display types...

GID - panel has slighlty dropped in casing, hence the orange line at top. Another little job next time the dash is out of MV6  :'(
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/faq/display_types/gid.jpg)

CCRT700 and CCRT2008 MID - minus its outer casing. Notice only the centre of the 3 backlight bulbs are working, hence the darkness towards edges
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/faq/display_types/ccrtmid.jpg)

TID - loads of duff pixels in this one. Again, only 1 of the 2 backlight bulbs working
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/faq/display_types/tid.jpg)

Another MID I found in garage - notice how the pixels disappear in lines, common failure on these early ones...  Note again it has a failed backlight bulb (easy to change but means dash out)
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/faq/display_types/earlymid.jpg)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: froezen on 31 March 2009, 17:42:23
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike

NO! That's mine ;-)

If yours has missing lines of pixels, and you aint scared if using a soldering iron, then have a go repairing it. You don't need to be good at soldering either as you only need to de-solder/ re-solder the three mettal button contacts to gain access inside the case.

I found a nice little guide here ; http://www.problemcar.nl/opeltje/mid%20reparatie.htm

It's a different display, but the principle is the same. I did it on mine but was a bit heavy handed while re-assembling it and cracked a corner off of the LCD glass. I reckon it would have worked too because the parts of the screen that still work, work perfectly.
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 18:11:30
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike

NO! That's mine ;-)

If yours has missing lines of pixels, and you aint scared if using a soldering iron, then have a go repairing it. You don't need to be good at soldering either as you only need to de-solder/ re-solder the three mettal button contacts to gain access inside the case.

I found a nice little guide here ; http://www.problemcar.nl/opeltje/mid%20reparatie.htm

It's a different display, but the principle is the same. I did it on mine but was a bit heavy handed while re-assembling it and cracked a corner off of the LCD glass. I reckon it would have worked too because the parts of the screen that still work, work perfectly.
the mids are much more fiddly to do than the tids in that article
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: VXL V6 on 31 March 2009, 19:21:41
I've got a MID here of unknown quality!

Single grey connector though.....
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 19:25:17
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I've got a MID here of unknown quality!

Single grey connector though.....
that will be good - very rarely fail. hence nobody wants them, hence worthless.  I have a couple of grey ones here, oddly both faulty ;D
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: mantahatch on 31 March 2009, 19:49:39
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike

NO! That's mine ;-)

If yours has missing lines of pixels, and you aint scared if using a soldering iron, then have a go repairing it. You don't need to be good at soldering either as you only need to de-solder/ re-solder the three mettal button contacts to gain access inside the case.

I found a nice little guide here ; http://www.problemcar.nl/opeltje/mid%20reparatie.htm

It's a different display, but the principle is the same. I did it on mine but was a bit heavy handed while re-assembling it and cracked a corner off of the LCD glass. I reckon it would have worked too because the parts of the screen that still work, work perfectly.


Sorry froezen, been looking for a while now, but like the old saying "if you don't ask you don't get.

All the best.

Mike
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: froezen on 31 March 2009, 20:49:54
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Sorry froezen, been looking for a while now, but like the old saying "if you don't ask you don't get.

All the best.

Mike

No need to appologise, I know how tough it is to find a good 'un.

'TheBoy' - Is it possible to do that pixel test without the tech II?
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 20:57:15
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'TheBoy' - Is it possible to do that pixel test without the tech II?
Not aware of any other way other than T2
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Jimbob on 31 March 2009, 21:06:28
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'TheBoy' - Is it possible to do that pixel test without the tech II?
Not aware of any other way other than T2


"My Naff Code Reader" can probably do  this, if the original radio is fitted (I think)

Done it successfully on other cars, but not an omega, as havent tried one without the original stereo
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 21:07:50
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'TheBoy' - Is it possible to do that pixel test without the tech II?
Not aware of any other way other than T2


"My Naff Code Reader" can probably do  this, if the original radio is fitted (I think)

Done it successfully on other cars, but not an omega, as havent tried one without the original stereo
its a mid function, not radio function, so radio will be irrelevent :)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Jimbob on 31 March 2009, 21:11:52
Had wondered about that, but my tests have been  :

Vectra B - Standard Audio - Mid Test successful
2 x Omega B - Non Standard Audio - Cannot talk to Mid
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 31 March 2009, 21:15:56
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Had wondered about that, but my tests have been  :

Vectra B - Standard Audio - Mid Test successful
2 x Omega B - Non Standard Audio - Cannot talk to Mid
is the daft thing talking on the right pin (you'll have to check against Haynes/TIS (depending on age)). Can it talk to other stuff on same Pin?  Omega splits diags over 4 pins, unlike most cars...
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: VXL V6 on 01 April 2009, 00:37:47
Opelscanner will do the display tests as well.  :y
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: feeutfo on 01 April 2009, 08:43:02
How do you find time for all this stuff J? You amaze me.
 May i tentatively enquire re cid bad pixels? I have two bad ones, depending on the colour displayed, on one line. No biggy, just wondered what you thought, whats involved? Or is it just bad luck with the manufacturing process?
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: Loch View on 01 April 2009, 08:48:25
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Oh does it have it the yellow and black connectors and would it be for sale by any chance ?

Thanks

Mike

NO! That's mine ;-)

If yours has missing lines of pixels, and you aint scared if using a soldering iron, then have a go repairing it. You don't need to be good at soldering either as you only need to de-solder/ re-solder the three mettal button contacts to gain access inside the case.

I found a nice little guide here ; http://[http://www.problemcar.nl/opeltje/mid%20reparatie.htm

It's a different display, but the principle is the same. I did it on mine but was a bit heavy handed while re-assembling it and cracked a corner off of the LCD glass. I reckon it would have worked too because the parts of the screen that still work, work perfectly.

A Dutch site of course  :y ;)
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2009, 18:59:05
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How do you find time for all this stuff J? You amaze me.
 May i tentatively enquire re cid bad pixels? I have two bad ones, depending on the colour displayed, on one line. No biggy, just wondered what you thought, whats involved? Or is it just bad luck with the manufacturing process?
Unusual for that faulty on CID - normally they go corrupted.  New panel is answer, but they ain't cheap.
Title: Re: Not something you see every day
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2009, 19:03:03
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Opelscanner will do the display tests as well.  :y
Yes, sorry, I meant using diags tools, ie its not something the car owner can do.


Note, cheapo tech2 and generic obd2 diags tools cannot do this either