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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dusty on 30 March 2009, 10:13:36
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My Candy washing machine is four and half years old.
It started playing up a month or so back, by missing certain parts of the cycle. :o
Now it won't spin, rinse or empty. Originally I thought it might be the pump, but does anyone think it could be the programming switch? :-/ :-?
And if so would it be worth repairing. If it can be repaired it would save another expense at this time :-/
Thanks in advance Dusty :-* :-* :-*
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Some really useful info' and guys on forum who have helped me in past
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=34 :y
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Is it stopping, or skipping bits?
Washing machines pretty simple - leaks aside, most issues around blockages, motor brushes (no rotation on drum at all), or programmer (erratic skipping of cycles).
If water not filling or draining properly (blocakge or pump issue), that can cause machine to pause.
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Is it stopping, or skipping bits?
Washing machines pretty simple - leaks aside, most issues around blockages, motor brushes (no rotation on drum at all), or programmer (erratic skipping of cycles).
If water not filling or draining properly (blocakge or pump issue), that can cause machine to pause.
Thanks TB
Drum is rotating. But water not emptying or filling now. It does tend to stop with water in the drum. Though originally it just seemed to miss bits
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In some cases could just be a build up of limescale and might have caused a build up.
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In some cases could just be a build up of limescale and might have caused a build up.
Be careful of using descalers - the scale helps prevent leaks... ::)
And 'washing machines live longer with Calgon' is 'dangle berries'.
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In some cases could just be a build up of limescale and might have caused a build up.
Be careful of using descalers - the scale helps prevent leaks... ::)
And 'washing machines live longer with Calgon' is 'dangle berries'.
Absolutely. We live in a very hard water area, have a washing machine that is 10 years old and which I haven't got round to plumbing in to the water softener. When I changed the bearings recently there was no serious scale on the element - or anywhere else.
Snake oil.
Kevin
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have you checked the filter in the bottom of the machine [if it has one] normally behind a flap, but be warned if its still full of water itll gush out :o, the candy i had had a similar fault, it turned out to be the motor brushes as one had broken up so couldnt get up to speed, once changed it was fine :y
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I've ordered Mr Dusty to take the pump out. It was a bit crudy and has now been cleaned out. The problem still remains.
The water comes in OK, but will not drain from the machine.
Is this more likely to be the pump not pumping it away or something else. I don't really want to buy and get Mr Dusty to fit a new pump if it is not the case.
If it's the timing programmer then this will be too expensive at £93 :o :o
The pump is about £20
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Have a look for the water level sensor, it is often around 3" in diameter with electrical connections and a small rubber pipe running into the drum.
Pull the pipe off the sensor and blow through it....the pipe can get blocked with soap and grease which stops it sensing water level properly . The programmer uses water levels to signal when to step on in the programme.
You can check the pump operation by connecting power directly to the pump terminals, but only if you are confident working with electrics.
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washing machine faults can be hard to pinpoint and expencive
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washing machine faults can be hard to pinpoint and expencive
I disagree - logical thought and testing shows the problem. They really are simple machines.
Dishwashers are a pain in the backside - more to do with access than anything else though...
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I have just paid £9 including postage,for a new pump from Ebay.
I hope that when fitted, this will solve the problem and get rid of the water out of the machine.
Fingers crossed. :-* :-* :-*
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Check the water outlet path for blockages--a common 'wont empty problem'. More probable if you can hear the pump running but nothing happening.
Another less obvious cause is a knackered pressure switch,system doesn't 'know' there's water in there. This is more probable if there is no pumping activity.
eddie
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I hope the pump does it Dusty, but I think it's the programmer or a PCB got wet.
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I think its these women hammering the spin cycle ::)
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I think its these women hammering the spin cycle ::)
Without taking out the transit braces/bolts ;D
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
Thanks Lizzie.
There are two green wires with spade connections that clip onto the back of the new pump. :-? :-?
Mr Dusty has connected his trusty voltmeter to these wires while the WM is running.No power at all.We are not sure if this is correct or not,but I would have thought that there should be power going to the new pump with the WM running. :-/
Can't afford a new WM. :'( :'(
Can't afford to pay a man to have a look at it. :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Lizzie.The programmme unit seems to be about £100,so not really an option. :'( :-* :-* :-*I'd better make sure that I get my Mills and Boon published. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
Thanks Lizzie.
There are two green wires with spade connections that clip onto the back of the new pump. :-? :-?
Mr Dusty has connected his trusty voltmeter to these wires while the WM is running.No power at all.We are not sure if this is correct or not,but I would have thought that there should be power going to the new pump with the WM running. :-/
Can't afford a new WM. :'( :'(
Can't afford to pay a man to have a look at it. :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Lizzie.The programmme unit seems to be about £100,so not really an option. :'( :-* :-* :-*I'd better make sure that I get my Mills and Boon published. ;D ;D ;D ;D
That would only be the case when "Spin" or the end of the programming - when draining - is set, as no power is going to the pump otherwise. The pump does not operate during the washing cycles. Have you tried setting the programme to "Spin" and watching if a) the pump works b) the machine drains? ::) ::)
I will certainly keep my fingers crossed for you on the Mills & Boon issue! :D :D ;)
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
Thanks Lizzie.
There are two green wires with spade connections that clip onto the back of the new pump. :-? :-?
Mr Dusty has connected his trusty voltmeter to these wires while the WM is running.No power at all.We are not sure if this is correct or not,but I would have thought that there should be power going to the new pump with the WM running. :-/
Can't afford a new WM. :'( :'(
Can't afford to pay a man to have a look at it. :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Lizzie.The programmme unit seems to be about £100,so not really an option. :'( :-* :-* :-*I'd better make sure that I get my Mills and Boon published. ;D ;D ;D ;D
That would only be the case when "Spin" or the end of the programming - when draining - is set, as no power is going to the pump otherwise. The pump does not operate during the washing cycles. Have you tried setting the programme to "Spin" and watching if a) the pump works b) the machine drains? ::) ::)
I will certainly keep my fingers crossed for you on the Mills & Boon issue! :D :D ;)
Yes,all that happens is that the WM freezes and refuses to do anything at all. :'( :'(Mr Dusty will have to pay up for a new one Lizzie. ;D ;D :-* :-*
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
Thanks Lizzie.
There are two green wires with spade connections that clip onto the back of the new pump. :-? :-?
Mr Dusty has connected his trusty voltmeter to these wires while the WM is running.No power at all.We are not sure if this is correct or not,but I would have thought that there should be power going to the new pump with the WM running. :-/
Can't afford a new WM. :'( :'(
Can't afford to pay a man to have a look at it. :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Lizzie.The programmme unit seems to be about £100,so not really an option. :'( :-* :-* :-*I'd better make sure that I get my Mills and Boon published. ;D ;D ;D ;D
That would only be the case when "Spin" or the end of the programming - when draining - is set, as no power is going to the pump otherwise. The pump does not operate during the washing cycles. Have you tried setting the programme to "Spin" and watching if a) the pump works b) the machine drains? ::) ::)
I will certainly keep my fingers crossed for you on the Mills & Boon issue! :D :D ;)
Yes,all that happens is that the WM freezes and refuses to do anything at all. :'( :'(Mr Dusty will have to pay up for a new one Lizzie. ;D ;D :-* :-*
Very sorry to hear that Dusty. Nothing worse than having to pay out when funds are short as I well know!! ::) ::) :'(.........but bring on the new washing machine! :-* :-* 8-) 8-) :D ;)
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
Thanks Lizzie.
There are two green wires with spade connections that clip onto the back of the new pump. :-? :-?
Mr Dusty has connected his trusty voltmeter to these wires while the WM is running.No power at all.We are not sure if this is correct or not,but I would have thought that there should be power going to the new pump with the WM running. :-/
Can't afford a new WM. :'( :'(
Can't afford to pay a man to have a look at it. :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Lizzie.The programmme unit seems to be about £100,so not really an option. :'( :-* :-* :-*I'd better make sure that I get my Mills and Boon published. ;D ;D ;D ;D
That would only be the case when "Spin" or the end of the programming - when draining - is set, as no power is going to the pump otherwise. The pump does not operate during the washing cycles. Have you tried setting the programme to "Spin" and watching if a) the pump works b) the machine drains? ::) ::)
I will certainly keep my fingers crossed for you on the Mills & Boon issue! :D :D ;)
Yes,all that happens is that the WM freezes and refuses to do anything at all. :'( :'(Mr Dusty will have to pay up for a new one Lizzie. ;D ;D :-* :-*
Very sorry to hear that Dusty. Nothing worse than having to pay out when funds are short as I well know!! ::) ::) :'(.........but bring on the new washing machine! :-* :-* 8-) 8-) :D ;)
I agree Lizzie.
But Mr Dusty is the type of man who thinks that doing all the washing in the bath is a good idea.
So long as it is a woman who is doing all the washing. :-/ :-/ :-* :-*
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Mr Dusty has just spent the last hour fitting a new pump to my WM. :-/
The water is still in the drum :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no blockage stopping the water from leaving the WM :-/
There is no "noise" from the pump trying to work....silence :'(
Any new ideas please.
Thanks Dusty. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Oh dear Dusty! Assuming all the electrics have been connected correctly with the mains power reapplied to the machine (yes, I have known some people to forget to do that or the fuse to have blown!! ::) ::)) then I'm afraid to say that it is most probably the programme unit as you suspected at the start of your thread! ::) ::) ::) ;)
All you can do is either go for broke and replace the programme unit, or cut your losses and get a beautifully new washing machine. 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
PS If your husband is competent in working inside a "live" machine with a circuit tester then you can trace how far the power is circulating between the components. Extreme caution is of course required and really only suitable for those of us with training / experience of such operations!! :-X :-X :-X
Thanks Lizzie.
There are two green wires with spade connections that clip onto the back of the new pump. :-? :-?
Mr Dusty has connected his trusty voltmeter to these wires while the WM is running.No power at all.We are not sure if this is correct or not,but I would have thought that there should be power going to the new pump with the WM running. :-/
Can't afford a new WM. :'( :'(
Can't afford to pay a man to have a look at it. :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*
P.S. Lizzie.The programmme unit seems to be about £100,so not really an option. :'( :-* :-* :-*I'd better make sure that I get my Mills and Boon published. ;D ;D ;D ;D
That would only be the case when "Spin" or the end of the programming - when draining - is set, as no power is going to the pump otherwise. The pump does not operate during the washing cycles. Have you tried setting the programme to "Spin" and watching if a) the pump works b) the machine drains? ::) ::)
I will certainly keep my fingers crossed for you on the Mills & Boon issue! :D :D ;)
Yes,all that happens is that the WM freezes and refuses to do anything at all. :'( :'(Mr Dusty will have to pay up for a new one Lizzie. ;D ;D :-* :-*
Very sorry to hear that Dusty. Nothing worse than having to pay out when funds are short as I well know!! ::) ::) :'(.........but bring on the new washing machine! :-* :-* 8-) 8-) :D ;)
I agree Lizzie.
But Mr Dusty is the type of man who thinks that doing all the washing in the bath is a good idea.
So long as it is a woman who is doing all the washing. :-/ :-/ :-* :-*
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) They're all the same!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Sorry to hear of your problems, Dusty. :'(
Is this link to a FAQ page any use?
http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/electrical/washing_machine_faq.htm
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How much water is in the drum, i.e. how far up the glass door is it :question
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Have you checked the level sensor and are there any signs of damaged wires with breaks etc?
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How much water is in the drum, i.e. how far up the glass door is it :question
I have it on quickwash at the moment (about 20-30 minutes)so there is only two or three inches of water in the machine.
In fact, I can open the door without it spilling all over the floor. :-* :-*
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Sorry to hear of your problems, Dusty. :'(
Is this link to a FAQ page any use?
http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/electrical/washing_machine_faq.htm
Thanks for that Nick,especially the part "when the machine won't empty". :-*
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Have you checked the level sensor and are there any signs of damaged wires with breaks etc?
No obvious damaged wires.
Not sure what the level sensor is,or where it is located. :-* :-*
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Normaly either mounted on the drum case or on the machine frame with a long lastic tube connected to the drum.
If blocked then it may think the machine is already empty and hence wont run the pump and stops the cycle.
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Have you checked the level sensor and are there any signs of damaged wires with breaks etc?
No obvious damaged wires.
Not sure what the level sensor is,or where it is located. :-* :-*
Have a look here Dusty http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=13&mode=threaded&pid=53 :y
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If the machine is stopping after filling and refuses to do anything else, I would suspect the heater element.
WM's ive come across sit and wait until the water is upto temp, if the heater is fubared then it will sit there indefinately.
Get Mr Dusty inside the machine with his meter, make sure the machine is unplugged, disconnect the leads from the heater element, and measure the resistance of the heater element, if its fubared it will read open circuit, some other resistance reading then its probably ok.
Just my 2p worth, but worth checking for, imo
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I'am now starting to get very annoyed with this washing machine.
But one last try.
Symptoms.
Machine fills with water,but will NOT SPIN...because machine will not EMPTY. :-/ :-/
Have fitted and correctly wired up a new pump...NO JOY. :'( :'(
Have cleaned the "water out pipe".there is no blockage....STILL NO JOY. :-/ :-/
Have cleaned out the "Water sensor pipe"....STILL NO JOY. :-/ :-/
Mr Dusty has also made a large dent in the side of the machine with his boot,but STILL NO JOY.But he said that it made him feel better ;D ;D ;D
I think that we may have to admit defeat on this one ,unless any clever OOFer can come up with a solution. :D :-* :-* :-*
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link=1238404416/33#33 date=1238608491]If the machine is stopping after filling and refuses to do anything else[/highlight], I would suspect the heater element.
WM's ive come across sit and wait until the water is upto temp, if the heater is fubared then it will sit there indefinately.
Get Mr Dusty inside the machine with his meter, make sure the machine is unplugged, disconnect the leads from the heater element, and measure the resistance of the heater element, if its fubared it will read open circuit, some other resistance reading then its probably ok.
Just my 2p worth, but worth checking for, imo
Thanks Taxi Driver.
After the machine has filled with water ,it behaves normally until it is time to empty the water.Then it just stops.
And it will not spin when it is full of water.It is so frustrating. :-? :-?
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link=1238404416/33#33 date=1238608491]If the machine is stopping after filling and refuses to do anything else[/highlight], I would suspect the heater element.
WM's ive come across sit and wait until the water is upto temp, if the heater is fubared then it will sit there indefinately.
Get Mr Dusty inside the machine with his meter, make sure the machine is unplugged, disconnect the leads from the heater element, and measure the resistance of the heater element, if its fubared it will read open circuit, some other resistance reading then its probably ok.
Just my 2p worth, but worth checking for, imo
Thanks Taxi Driver.
After the machine has filled with water ,it behaves normally until it is time to empty the water.Then it just stops.
And it will not spin when it is full of water.It is so frustrating. :-? :-?
Ahhh ok.....understand now....so forget the heater element idea, doubt it will be that.
It wont spin whilst it thinks water is inside, you would have a flood if it span full of water!
I think level sensor must be ok, as it fills ok, and wont spin, cause its correctly reporting water level.
It isnt the pump, coz you've changed it......and i seem to recall you said in an earlier post, there wasnt any voltage at the pump.
So i think id have to opt for controller board unfortunately, as another suggested.....as theres not much else in a washing machine :(