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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: HolyCount on 09 April 2009, 09:56:06
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
thats taking the p-ss and the biscwits tossers >:( >:(
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Where my son was last week, he says they do have to do that as if the Ministry were to find out that they had passed it like it they can lose their license :o TB's air freshner thing though was pathetic!
But it's like they said to my son last week they only go on what they have to do.
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Where my son was last week, he says they do have to do that as if the Ministry were to find out that they had passed it like it they can lose their license :o TB's air freshner thing though was pathetic!
But it's like they said to my son last week they only go on what they have to do.
I suppose so ---- with a trivial thing like that there was a fair chance I could have been a ministry plant (cabbage ??? )
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My garage would have just changed the bulb. When I went to get the meriva MOT'd, they changed a wiper blade and a front sidelight bulb to get it through.
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...... .. they only go on what they have to do.
That's just a get out clause for not wanting to use any common sense. 'My' tester has often given me the benefit of the doubt with the instructions to sort it later. :y
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They can be right arses!
luckly im good friends with my tester :)
he knows what ever it fails on will get repaired so it never fails :)
i will be buggered if he ever leaves! :(
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Tell him to stop rather' tappin' it then!!!!!
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>:(Well you know what to do, never take another vehicle back there again and name and shame them with as many people as you can!!! >:(
The garage i use will fail your vehicle when there is something wrong, but as been mentioned by other members earlier the good garages use a bit of common and if its something simple they will change it ie bulbs, blades, mine even offes to change tyres once you give the go ahead!! find a good place and stick with them, been to the same chap for over fifteen years now, its all a trust thing!
Rob
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
unofficially, yes. they get visits from vosa if not failing enough.
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My garage would have just changed the bulb. When I went to get the meriva MOT'd, they changed a wiper blade and a front sidelight bulb to get it through.
Mine just ask me the REG number and when it has too start..... ;D
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Tell him to stop rather' tappin' it then!!!!!
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Thats what I was going to say!! Surely if its on it works - no need to tap it! >:(
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My garage would have just changed the bulb. When I went to get the meriva MOT'd, they changed a wiper blade and a front sidelight bulb to get it through.
Mine just ask me the REG number and when it has too start..... ;D
i'm not going to rise to it...
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My garage would have just changed the bulb. When I went to get the meriva MOT'd, they changed a wiper blade and a front sidelight bulb to get it through.
Mine just ask me the REG number and when it has too start..... ;D
i'm not going to rise to it...
Have a couple of stella"s first.... :y
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My garage would have just changed the bulb. When I went to get the meriva MOT'd, they changed a wiper blade and a front sidelight bulb to get it through.
Mine just ask me the REG number and when it has too start..... ;D
i'm not going to rise to it...
Have a couple of stella"s first.... :y
anyone can get dodgy ones - I'm guessing I can get much cheaper than you can - but I'm not that irresponsible...
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
unofficially, yes. they get visits from vosa if not failing enough.
That's what 'my' MOT tester told me too when I discussed air fresheners with him! ::) ;) ;) ;)
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Out of interest mate,
where did you take it???
Just so I know who to avoid!! ::)
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Out of interest mate,
where did you take it???
Just so I know who to avoid!! ::)
It went to Cook Way Service Centre in Bindon Road. I usually use Nationwide in town, but, for reasons that escape me, didn't this time round.
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Out of interest mate,
where did you take it???
Just so I know who to avoid!! ::)
It went to Cook Way Service Centre in Bindon Road. I usually use Nationwide in town, but, for reasons that escape me, didn't this time round.
You'll like this one , mine went in for an MOT and idling problem on LPG recently.............
and never came out......it's effectively a write off :'( >:(
even after passing the mot..........................
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
Out of interest mate,
where did you take it???
Just so I know who to avoid!! ::)
It went to Cook Way Service Centre in Bindon Road. I usually use Nationwide in town, but, for reasons that escape me, didn't this time round.
You'll like this one , mine went in for an MOT and idling problem on LPG recently.............
and never came out......it's effectively a write off :'( >:(
even after passing the mot..........................
What the hell happened :( :o
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If you want the whole story I'll have to go get a cider............cos I'll be crying into it at the end............. ;D :'(
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If you want the whole story ......
Yes! :-? :-?
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If you want the whole story ......
Yes! :-? :-?
Yes from me too.
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Firstly, apologies HC for hijacking this thread.....
Have you heard the one about.....................
Took the car into the garage for the mot and lpg idle problem as mentioned earlier...as well as emission light lit.
Fails MOT on emissions on petrol, fault traced to hole in vacuum pipe..good we like!!
Checks emissions on gas hydrocarbons at 7.8 whatevers (ppm?) instead of 0.000000 something recurrring!!
So gas is running massively rich at idle, unburnt gas in cat means emissions light on dash...........I'm with it so far!! Did I mention the Lambda sensor the Vauxhall stealers fitted at the start of the year.....unneccesarily!! >:(
Meanwhile the car needs 4 tyres for the mot, well 3, so did them all. Went for Dunlop fast response ( thought I'd get some decent rubber).
Garage examines my lpg install (fully certified no less) only to discover that the components came out of the Arc, and were made by three different manufacturers.. two of which are now out of business, plus there are some extra gadgets fitted to fudge the system.
When they eventually manage to get the Romano software of the right vintage to talk to the ECU, they discover that the ECU has dropped the map, will not accept an auto setup instruction and they can't get it to setup manually, ECU is fudged................bad............original map is immediately overwritten whem manual setup attempted, so car now no longer runs on gas.
After much deliberation decide to have new front end Prins system fitted figuring with the miles that I do I'll recoup the costs in just over a year!!!
Garage takes off old front end system at no charge , replaces it with new one. Starts car afterwards...and notices a "slight misfire", which then started knocking and threw up some codes, well lots of codes actually looking at the list at the time!!
The car has still only idled at this point, but the knocking is now causing enough concern to turn off the engine.......really bad............that's the last time the car was running.
Garage then spend a lot of time at no charge to me trying to figure out what they have done to cause this problem given that all they've done is swap over the gas system front end....... having converted several miggys previously they had never seen this problem.
They ultimately decide that nothing they'd done that would have caused this... so decide to investigate further to determine the cause of this catastrophe.
I ultimately get invited to have a look at the top of my No 5 piston through the spark plug hole using a boroscope ........all looks well top of piston present and correct. The top of the No3 piston however was completely gone, could just make out the top of a conn rod. Garage tells me that having pulled the cam belt cover back to have a peek at the cam belt it didn;t appear to have snapped but there were bits of rubber that shouldn't be there, coming to the conclusion that a failed cam belt tensioner had caused the problem and that the damage to the engine was terminal!! (Cambelt and tensioner kit was replaced at Vauxhall stealers only 20k earlier).
Oh good says I :'(
So now my Miggy sits dead at the garage, I've had the lpg kit fitted to another car without any issues. I should say at this point that having talked it through with several work mates I have no reason to doubt the integrity of the garage :y
It has only done 71k, has 4 brand spanking new tyes on it (less than 70 miles) and has cost me the best part of two grand since christmas..........did I also mention the 400 quids worth of audio I put ito the car as a "christmas present to self" :'( >:(
Haven't decided what to do with the car yet, any thoughts anyone???.......as long as it doesn't involve petrol and matches ;D
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Ooooooh sh*t :'(
What about dropping in a new lump ? GNU has had a couple! Mind you. I might well blow this one up trying to get the LPG running !!!!!
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Ooooooh sh*t :'(
What about dropping in a new lump ? GNU has had a couple! Mind you. I might well blow this one up trying to get the LPG running !!!!!
It's an option, but I have never done it, haven't the tools, time or facilities unfortunately :-/ :'( :'(
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Ooooooh sh*t :'(
What about dropping in a new lump ? GNU has had a couple! Mind you. I might well blow this one up trying to get the LPG running !!!!!
It's an option, but I have never done it, haven't the tools, time or facilities unfortunately :-/ :'( :'(
As I am mechanically inept --- the most complicated engine I can deal with is hanging off the back of the buggy ( Mini A series! ) --- a mate did mine (at mate's rates) ---- local garage knows Omegas backwards .... otherwise I would have offered assistance :-[
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No worries ....thanks for the thought though :y :y
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To quote a recent comment ..... Clucking Bell! That's a right pi$$er! I'd be inclinded to drop ANOther block in it ... or if I was you & didn't know a spnner from a screwdriver pay someone to do it for me, but spannering isn't difficult - I've bluffed my way for the last 30 years! ;D ;D ;D
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
in my opinion they souldent have failed it, if a light is working and is secure then it is a pass , if it were the other way round i.e tape it to make it work then carry out a repair at time of test,
vosa are the problem, they make the rules with no one to rule them,
they state a average fail rate of 35% per test station
you could take your situation up with vosa if you wanted
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you could take your situation up with vosa if you wanted
but they will default to the standard tale answer of ..... it's all for safety! :-? :-/
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Are MOT testers on a "Fail Rate Target"?
Put the QX in for the dreaded test, having checked it over and feeling fairly confident .... flaming thing failed !!!!!
I had removed all the Air Fresheners etc., too >:( >:(
What's written on the fail sheet ? ............
"Rear number plate lamp flickers when you tap it"
At least it's only a new bulb but, Flamin' 'eck, what are these guys on ?????
My mate owns a MOT testing centre/garage (He honest and consequently not rich).
He tells me that some testers look to how much they can make out of each customer, if nothing is wrong and they can do an extra bulb replacement this is worth an at least an extra £10 quid.
He also said never pay this fee do it yourself and return under free government retest conditions, because if you repair failed item within the prescribed legal period, they need to only test the failed item, not a full retest (unless there are other advisories, then they need to check these also) :)
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I am also wandering whether to negotiate with him a special MOT price for oof members with honest true MOT results (without any imaginative failures) .
He is seriously interested in this proposition but I need to know how much interest we have.
He is thinking discount to £35 for MOT test with a fair and honest MOT test offered.
Tell me what you think. ( He is thinking about volume of custom) rather rip you off repairs :y
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My garage would have just changed the bulb. When I went to get the meriva MOT'd, they changed a wiper blade and a front sidelight bulb to get it through.
Mine just ask me the REG number and when it has too start..... ;D
i'm not going to rise to it...
Have a couple of stella"s first.... :y
anyone can get dodgy ones - I'm guessing I can get much cheaper than you can - but I'm not that irresponsible...
Tut tut...i meant he knows my cars are always in tiptop (well MOT passable) condition so its pretty much a formality they will pass.
How you possibly think i meant anything dodgy.....me Mr Honest... ;D 8-)
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TBH I would rather have an honest fail than a dodgy pass. My family ride in the vehicle and they are worth too much to me !
Well -- better to get an honest pass though :)
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TBH I would rather have an honest fail than a dodgy pass. My family ride in the vehicle and they are worth too much to me !
Well -- better to get an honest pass though :)
I agree totally :y :y
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TBH I would rather have an honest fail than a dodgy pass. My family ride in the vehicle and they are worth too much to me !
Well -- better to get an honest pass though :)
I know a garage that gave a MOT on a unsafe and unroadworthy condition car........that was an 'honest pass'!!
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TBH I would rather have an honest fail than a dodgy pass. My family ride in the vehicle and they are worth too much to me !
Well -- better to get an honest pass though :)
I know a garage that gave a MOT on a unsafe and unroadworthy condition car........that was an 'honest pass'!!
If the car was unsafe how was it an "honest pass" --- 'twas either dodgy or incompetent :-?
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TBH I would rather have an honest fail than a dodgy pass. My family ride in the vehicle and they are worth too much to me !
Well -- better to get an honest pass though :)
I know a garage that gave a MOT on a unsafe and unroadworthy condition car........that was an 'honest pass'!!
If the car was unsafe how was it an "honest pass" --- 'twas either dodgy or incompetent :-?
Incompetent!
MOT inspector failed the car......same garage repaired it, MOT inspector obviously didnt bother to check the work and passed it.
As the work affected the tracking, it was in a tyre place just down the road, driven by the owner of the car, an hour later. As the tyre fitter was pointing out to the owner, that the work hadnt been done correctly, the front drivers wheel fell off!!
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TBH I would rather have an honest fail than a dodgy pass. My family ride in the vehicle and they are worth too much to me !
Well -- better to get an honest pass though :)
Depends on the dodgy pass - mine was a little but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Mine was over the bumper protector on the tow bar.
Heard of passes over failure emmisions as well.
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Everything else apart they should amend the regs to prohibit repairs being carried out by the testing station ---- cut out the pecuniary interest in fabricating repair jobs !!!!
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m o t is for a road worthy car but when they fail it for number plate bulb that flickers :-/ :-/
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m o t is for a road worthy car but when they fail it for number plate bulb that flickers :-/ :-/
Tell me about it ........ :'(
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m o t is for a road worthy car but when they fail it for number plate bulb that flickers :-/ :-/
That does at first glance seem petty, but it does indicate a fault that stops the registration plate being permanently illuminated, and possibly could quickly develop into a full 'no light' situation. A police patrol will stop a vehicle with no illuminated plate as of course it is an offence under the Road Traffic Act. The testers could therefore be prosecuted for passing a car with such a fault. ;)
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m o t is for a road worthy car but when they fail it for number plate bulb that flickers :-/ :-/
That does at first glance seem petty, but it does indicate a fault that stops the registration plate being permanently illuminated, and possibly could quickly develop into a full 'no light' situation. A police patrol will stop a vehicle with no illuminated plate as of course it is an offence under the Road Traffic Act. The testers could therefore be prosecuted for passing a car with such a fault. ;)
Must fix mine then......got a number plate bulb out.....been like for it a couple of months.....been followed a couple of times by the police at night.....never been stopped for it yet....must have had better things to do ;D
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m o t is for a road worthy car but when they fail it for number plate bulb that flickers :-/ :-/
That does at first glance seem petty, but it does indicate a fault that stops the registration plate being permanently illuminated, and possibly could quickly develop into a full 'no light' situation. A police patrol will stop a vehicle with no illuminated plate as of course it is an offence under the Road Traffic Act. The testers could therefore be prosecuted for passing a car with such a fault. ;)
i agree with that/ but is that considerd a danger to any other road user :-/ :-/
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m o t is for a road worthy car but when they fail it for number plate bulb that flickers :-/ :-/
That does at first glance seem petty, but it does indicate a fault that stops the registration plate being permanently illuminated, and possibly could quickly develop into a full 'no light' situation. A police patrol will stop a vehicle with no illuminated plate as of course it is an offence under the Road Traffic Act. The testers could therefore be prosecuted for passing a car with such a fault. ;)
i agree with that/ but is that considerd a danger to any other road user :-/ :-/
Yes in a way, as a non-illuminated plate at night can result in the criminally minded avoiding detection after committing an offence, say a serious accident that they have caused but escaped from, or say doing 80 in a 30 mph zone that the public can't report, and perhaps the police themselves cannot call in the reg. details for. This could well result in the safety of the public being compromised.
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Cars are illegal or not, it is a bit of a no brainer I afraid whether we like it or not :)