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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: BigAl on 07 April 2009, 22:14:47
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No wonder the met don't want people filming their officers..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm
if only this technology was available when Blair Peach was murdered by the Filth
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No wonder the met don't want people filming their officers..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm
if only this technology was available when Blair Peach was murdered by the Filth
just watched it on tv rather cops killed that poor man was on his way home . and they killed him >:( >:(
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No wonder the met don't want people filming their officers..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7988828.stm
if only this technology was available when Blair Peach was murdered by the Filth
Wouldnt that amount too manslaughter......the officer appears too have no reason too assault him.?
Hope the officer in question gets dealt with severely... >:(
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Don't get me started i'm trying to relax for bed >:(
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Don't get me started i'm trying to relax for bed >:(
go on have a rant its good for you ;D ;D ;D
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no doubt he will get away with it just cause hes a copper
>:( >:(
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no doubt he will get away with it just cause hes a copper
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yeh that sounds about right mate >:( >:( >:(
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help the police...............beat yourself up
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No wonder anyone with the audacity to walk around London with a camera gets so much grief from the Met. A bit inconvenient it seems. >:(
Kevin
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I was going to ask why some officers, the assailant included, are wearing face masks, but obviously it's for the same reason any criminal wears a mask.
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Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around. What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.
Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.
The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.
Its a shame, but that's currently life.
Ken
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was there any need for the copper to push him so hard that he fell flat on his face ino there was not
he was/is just a rather bully and should be held to account for his actions
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Look at the video at 1:58 and 2:06, peaceful ?, would you like to have been there, would you like to have been a Policeman ?.
This has degenerated in to a mob wrecking things, and threatening lives. If you have any sense you will be many miles away.
ken
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The Police are in deep she-ite over this.
The guy was clearly presenting no threat to any of the officers around him, he was indeed walking away from them with his hands in his pockets.
His reaction after being pushed over was to query the officers "What was that for?" you can clearly hear him say
I hope the criminal (Police Officer) is charged with this, our Police are meant to protect us, not kill us.
Shocking and if I were that poor mans family I would be planning my legal action right now.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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i never said it was peaceful i said the copper went ott and was/is a fuc@ing bully
they are supposed to be trained professionals
trained professionals dont act like that he just acted like a thug
look at me im a copper i can push you about fuc@ing idiot
he should be punished but i bet he wont be
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OK, lets prosecute the copper for pushing too hard. The reasons for him doing so was to clear the bloke out the way, and he possibly used unreasonable force. However later on at 2:06 all the protesters are pushing the group of Police. Supposed one of them had a weak heart ?. This could have given him a heart attack as well. So you must prosecute ALL the protesters involved in this part of the action.
If people engage in mob mentality, they can't be expected to be dealt with kid gloves.
ken
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Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around. What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.
Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.
The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.
Its a shame, but that's currently life.
Ken
What a load of tosh >:(
They guy is trying to get home after finishing work at a newsagents. He's walking, away from the officers, with his hands in his pockets, and the masked, uniformed thug pushes him to the ground from behind.
His hands are in his pockets !!! How thick does someone have to be to not realise that is an extremely stupid and dangerous thing to do.
As for the lame statement of "What could he be hiding in his pockets ?"
The officer made no attempt to apprehend the man. He just pushed him to the ground and stepped back, thereby leaving no hope of disarming the fallen man of any weapon he may have had.
Yes, the police have a very tough job at times, but when an officer gets it wrong, they close ranks and cover up well enough on their own with out help from members of the public.
As for the bottle throwing, yes, probably not even protestors, just idiots there to cause trouble.
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who is say the footage is from the same period of time could have been an hour later and on the video from 1.58-2.06 there was let me see one person smashing a window
no i would not to have liked to be there but i have been in football riots where there was more trouble than that
who was threatened they were smashing windows
and i suppose if the man who died was a member of your family you would sdtill be saying the same thing
i doubt it
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Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around. What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.
Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.
The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.
Its a shame, but that's currently life.
Ken
What a load of tosh >:(
They guy is trying to get home after finishing work at a newsagents. He's walking, away from the officers, with his hands in his pockets, and the masked, uniformed thug pushes him to the ground from behind.
His hands are in his pockets !!! How thick does someone have to be to not realise that is an extremely stupid and dangerous thing to do.
As for the lame statement of "What could he be hiding in his pockets ?"
The officer made no attempt to apprehend the man. He just pushed him to the ground and stepped back, thereby leaving no hope of disarming the fallen man of any weapon he may have had.
Yes, the police have a very tough job at times, but when an officer gets it wrong, they close ranks and cover up well enough on their own with out help from members of the public.
As for the bottle throwing, yes, probably not even protestors, just idiots there to cause trouble.
Nice try, but if you tap someone on the shoulder, and he turns round to the right, and produces a knife in his left hand, you are stuffed. Push him away and stand back prepared for what happens next.
ken
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Come on, wrong place at the wrong time. Everybody knew there was going to be trouble, because of the demonstration. When's the last time there was a peaceful demonstration ?. You see this bloke wandering through the Police lines, hands in pockets, apparently oblivious to what's happening around. What is a Police officer to make of this ?. What could he be hiding in his pockets ?. They don't know, they are up to high alert, prepared for all sorts of trouble, and this bloke comes wandering through. The Police are only human, they can only act on what they are told to expect, if you look at what happened later, eg they were caring for him, put up themselves as a human shield, and some sh1t, sorry peaceful G20 protester threw a bottle at them. And the heart attack, what caused it ?. I think you have to look at the guy's medical history before jumping to conclusions. Heart disease is a common killer in the UK, thanks to our diet and drinking habits. Perhaps the Government should ban chip shops and pubs next.
Our society has moved this way over the years. A friend of mine had his son murdered late one sat night in Leicester. Therefore I will not go into a town like that late at night on foot. It's called self preservation.
The Protest is all to often hijacked by some idiots who want to cause harm to people, for no apparent reason, except possibly part of mob mentality. This ruins anything the original genuine protesters hope to achieve.
Its a shame, but that's currently life.
Ken
What a load of tosh >:(
They guy is trying to get home after finishing work at a newsagents. He's walking, away from the officers, with his hands in his pockets, and the masked, uniformed thug pushes him to the ground from behind.
His hands are in his pockets !!! How thick does someone have to be to not realise that is an extremely stupid and dangerous thing to do.
As for the lame statement of "What could he be hiding in his pockets ?"
The officer made no attempt to apprehend the man. He just pushed him to the ground and stepped back, thereby leaving no hope of disarming the fallen man of any weapon he may have had.
Yes, the police have a very tough job at times, but when an officer gets it wrong, they close ranks and cover up well enough on their own with out help from members of the public.
As for the bottle throwing, yes, probably not even protestors, just idiots there to cause trouble.
Nice try, but if you tap someone on the shoulder, and he turns round to the right, and produces a knife in his left hand, you are stuffed. Push him away and stand back prepared for what happens next.
ken
he didnt tap him on the shoulder he shoved him
all coppers wear stab vest so not really stuffed
there were also police dogs if he
had had a knife the dogs would have got him
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who is say the footage is from the same period of time could have been an hour later and on the video from 1.58-2.06 there was let me see one person smashing a window
no i would not to have liked to be there but i have been in football riots where there was more trouble than that
who was threatened they were smashing windows
and i suppose if the man who died was a member of your family you would sdtill be saying the same thing
i doubt it
I doubt any of my family would be anywhere near such a situation. They would have checked before hand to see if there were anything they should be prepared for. Like I have seen several crashed car windscreens with hair trapped in them, people not wearing seatbelts smashing their face. I therefore trained my kids to always put their seatbelt on, first thing so it will not happen to them.
Society would be nice if you could walk whenever and wherever you wanted, without fear of trouble. Unfortunately its not going to happen any time soon.
Ken
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thats avoiding answering the question i said if it was a member of your family would you still say the same
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Nice try, but if you tap someone on the shoulder, and he turns round to the right, and produces a knife in his left hand, you are stuffed. Push him away and stand back prepared for what happens next.
ken
Are you familiar with the saying "Still tongue...wise head" ?
...or do you have inside information that the police can now dis-arm criminals via Bluetooth or some other remote device ?
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OK, lets prosecute the copper for pushing too hard. The reasons for him doing so was to clear the bloke out the way, and he possibly used unreasonable force. However later on at 2:06 all the protesters are pushing the group of Police. Supposed one of them had a weak heart ?. This could have given him a heart attack as well. So you must prosecute ALL the protesters involved in this part of the action.
If people engage in mob mentality, they can't be expected to be dealt with kid gloves.
ken
Yes they should Ken...i was arrested and charged for just that offense.
I simply restrained someone from physically attacking my mum,(I stepped in at the point where he"s lunged for her) because of my size he ended up with a few bruises...broken nose and general scuffs.
As far as the police were concerned they (fools ;D) believed there was no intention too harm him (fools bloody fools ;D)...yet they still charged me with assault.
Sorry but that copper over reacted...clearly shows him attacking the victim for no reason...there's no evidence in that video that shows the police officer was in any danger at any time.
Bit like the footage of the Yank jets who fired on a British convoy....""Think they could be friendlies.....Yeah think so....Ahh hell lets do them""
Then
""Hell were in trouble now....""... >:(
The copper like the gun ho yanks just simply wanted too throw his weight around....like a lot of coppers he probably suffers from small peni$ syndrome,basically they need too swagger about in a uniform because they couldn't make it in a real job...no doubt many were bullied at school...possibly bullied at school and have the small Peni$ syndrome which would be doubly embarrassing. ;D
Lets hope he is prosecuted too the full extent of the law and spends some quality time with Buber in prison....then he will find out what a real bully is when he"s using a pork toothbrush 10 times a day too clean his teeth.
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To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video. The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.
The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more. The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult) The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.
Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap! I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........
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Coming from an ex military policeman(a few years ago now) who was supposed to work within the same (albeit a little different) rules to the civilian police I have to say I have no respect for the police nowadays.
I have only seen the footage of the guy who died this morning and it seems it is a major over-reaction by the copper involved. As the guy had his hands in his pockets it would have been very easy to apprehend him with his hands still in his pockets and then question him. I saw the footage of the police around that broken window and I have to say that I sat there shaking my head and seeing nothing that was new.
If you have a crowd of protesters and they get 'too close' to you so you start beating them over the head with a baton (you weren't allowed to do that in my day) you are only going to make matters worse. How would you react if you were the bloke getting beaten or your mate next to you. You would get angry at the least and more battering will result. Normally the people at the front of the line are being pushed by the ones behind. You are not going to stop the bottle throwers, who by their nature are way beyond the reach of a baton, by hitting the people next to you.
Before anyone jumps at me by saying I would have reacted differently if I had been there - no I wouldn't. I have been in riots in Northen Ireland where 99% of the demonstrators wanted to snuff you out. The ones on the front line used 'reasonable force' which in my day was called minimum force. That was by dragging the trouble makers through the line where they were dealt with from within. The bottle throwers were left to another day if there wasn't enough manpower. Incidentally those bottles contained petrol with a burning rag!!!
The police these days have no real controls and can get away with all sorts. How come 'traffic cops' who are off duty and in their own car can be clocked doing well over 100 miles per hour but they don't get banned but they are trained drivers? So am I but to a bigger extent than them but i would be banned in a heartbeat
I don't even want to go into shootings like the guy in the tube station.
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To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video. The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.
The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more. The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult) The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.
Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap! I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........
Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.
Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.
Nice post Tommy.... :y
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To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video. The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.
The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more. The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult) The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.
Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap! I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........
Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.
Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.
Nice post Tommy.... :y
I agree arrested maybe, but only a fool would charge you for it as medically it is very difficult to prove a link.
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To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video. The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.
The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more. The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult) The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.
Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap! I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........
Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.
Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.
Nice post Tommy.... :y
I agree arrested maybe, but only a fool would charge you for it as medically it is very difficult to prove a link.
Im sure if memory serves me right there was a burglar who was charged with an old persons death even though they died later after billy burglar had gone. :-/
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To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video. The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.
The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more. The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult) The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.
Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap! I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........
Now lets be honest...i pushed over Joe bloggs and he later died id be arrested and charged before i could blink.
Sorry but this type of behaviour (police) just reinforces my attitude towards them....i wouldnt piddle on them if they were on fire.
Nice post Tommy.... :y
I agree arrested maybe, but only a fool would charge you for it as medically it is very difficult to prove a link.
Im sure if memory serves me right there was a burglar who was charged with an old persons death even though they died later after billy burglar had gone. :-/
Maybe but its very thin ice
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Why do officers need to be masked when on duty?....The video clearly shows the Policeman whom pushed the unfortunate chap was masked: it is understandable that officers have personal protection (helmets/face-shield etc.) but 'masking' an individual officer`s identity with a balaclava seems to reveal a rather sinister mindset......I note that one could see the faces of the officers whom were around the one that did the pushing; but the pusher was wearing a balaclava with just small eye-slit under his riot-helmet.
This sad event reveals clearly the 'them and us' mindset of the Police towards the public (whom they are supposed to be charged with serving).
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Why do officers need to be masked when on duty?....The video clearly shows the Policeman whom pushed the unfortunate chap was masked: it is understandable that officers have personal protection (helmets/face-shield etc.) but 'masking' an individual officer`s identity with a balaclava seems to reveal a rather sinister mindset......I note that one could see the faces of the officers whom were around the one that did the pushing; but the pusher was wearing a balaclava with just small eye-slit under his riot-helmet.
This sad event reveals clearly the 'them and us' mindset of the Police towards the public (whom they are supposed to be charged with serving).
Why cover his face...good point.
After all he would have his collar number on display....maybe he wanted the ""Bad ass"" look. ::)
I still believe the officer in question has small peni$ syndrome.
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Be interesting to see if police video footage of this makes it into the public domain as they had photo/video teams all over the place, but this plod over stepped the mark as most of them do now days. In answer to Ken t's question the protest at Excel the next day was fairly peaceful
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Further to what I said earlier..
I have now seen the footage, of the guy who died, twice. The copper involved showed no respect at all for a member of the public who was in the wrong place at the wrong time but was showing no signs of aggression as he was in fact walking away.
If he posed a 'threat' to any of the officers how come the dogs were not used to stop him and then officers question him? There were two there at the time and right next to him. The dog handlers seemed not to be concerned about the bloke at all. The masked officer shoved him out of his way with complete disregard. No respect shown at all. Just using (abusing) his power because he's in uniform.
Deb's they are masked so that they cannot be indentified by the media. His collegues will know who it was but he can't be publically identified. They also remove their shoulder numbers for the same reason.
And people wonder why youths and upwards have no respect for the police. Is it because that the police have no respect for the public? The people who pay their wages but are not accountable to!
There is no disrespect to any serving police officers who are members of this forum in what I have written. In all walks of life there are good and bad elements and not all people are the same. However I must say how I find and that is that a large number of police officers abuse their position and have no respect for the public who they are supposed to serve and protect
From the Met's own website
"Mission and values
Our mission
Working together for a safer London
Our values
Working together with all our citizens, all our partners, all our colleagues:
We will have pride in delivering quality policing.
There is no greater priority
We will build trust by listening and responding
We will respect and support each other and work as a team
We will learn from experience and find ways to be even better
We are one team - we all have a duty to play our part in making London safer"
Gone a bit wrong me thinks
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To say the police killed this man is a step too far if you look at the video. The guy had a heart attack which could have happened at any time.
The police defo f#cked up here and what that copper did amounts to assault nothing more. The fact this guy had a heart attack is in fact consequential unless you can prove that an injury was sustained that led to the attack (very very difficult) The copper should be charged with assault as he was obviously not a threat, if he was obstructing he should have been arrested.
Oh and that comment about the police wearing stab vests stating its ok to be blasé about knife attacks is utter crap! I wear osprey body armour in operational areas yet you dont see me walking calmly into gunfire........
i did not say anything about being blase about knife attacks
i said he was not stuffed as ken t said but pointed out he was wearing some protection namely a stab vest
which has saved a policeman friend of mine a couple of times
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I have now seen the footage, of the guy who died, twice. The copper involved showed no respect at all for a member of the public who was in the wrong place at the wrong time but was showing no signs of aggression as he was in fact walking away.
If you've seen the footage on the BBC link above, the sound is over-dubbed so you can't have possibly heard any verbal exchanges or altercation that may have preceded the push. As for detaining the man, firstly the aim would have been to allow people to continue with the demonstrations and secondly, the logistics of arresting and removing large numbers on the day would have been enormous.
Hopefully our courts (and the IPCC) look for more water-tight evidence than has been used here to before coming to conclusions.
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Deb's they are masked so that they cannot be indentified by the media. His collegues will know who it was but he can't be publically identified. They also remove their shoulder numbers for the same reason.
Odd that I don't feel the need to go into work wearing a disguise. I thought the reason that officers wore numbers was to ensure that they are identifiable and therefore accountable for their actions. Have they decided that there are circumstances where they don't need to be? :o
Kevin
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I don't normally rise to the bait with things like this but some of the things said in the thread are complete and utter cr*p!
Talk about watching with 'blinkered vision'! - The man had clearly been 'winding up' the police officers (either verbally or by refusing to move!).
You can see one of the dog handlers walk towards him and reach out to him - so clearly something has happened!
The video footage doesn't show what happened leading up to the incident (maybe it has been deliberately edited that way?)
It is a terrible shame that someone died BUT the police were do (and were doing) a VERY difficult job.
People are quick to jump on the bandwagon and make assumptions - but ask yourself this 'Where would we be without them?'
Rant over!!! - I feel better now!
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This is the footage that I have watched
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2009/apr/07/g20-protest-death-police-assault
I haven't 'heard it' but I will when I get home. It appears to me that the guy got in the way of one of the dogs. Is then hit across the back of the legs with the baton (a permissable area in which to hit someone if memory serves!) and because he didn't go down was then shoved out of the way with force. All because he 'got in the way'
What I have noticed since watching it further is that the officer involves backs off afterwards (would that be to do with the amount of press around?? Question not statement) and then is seen to run off
In my earlier posts I said nothing about him being arrested, merely questioned as to what he was doing and why. As far as I am aware it is not an arrestable offence to get in the way of a group of policemen accidentally. He was a little outnumbered to say the least.
As for the IPCC coming to the right conclusion. How can a body be independant when the complaint is investigated by the police force involved and the results passed to the IPCC?
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/complaints/complaints-pca.htm
Sorry to sound cynical but would we allow the aggressive protestors to investigate themselves? It wouldn't be allowed - so what's the difference?
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I don't normally rise to the bait with things like this but some of the things said in the thread are complete and utter cr*p!
Talk about watching with 'blinkered vision'! - The man had clearly been 'winding up' the police officers (either verbally or by refusing to move!).
You can see one of the dog handlers walk towards him and reach out to him - so clearly something has happened!
The video footage doesn't show what happened leading up to the incident (maybe it has been deliberately edited that way?)
It is a terrible shame that someone died BUT the police were do (and were doing) a VERY difficult job.
People are quick to jump on the bandwagon and make assumptions - but ask yourself this 'Where would we be without them?'
Rant over!!! - I feel better now!
how the hell do you work that one out show evidence if you can
were you there
you are the one talking cr@p
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my dealings with the police have not been pleasurable but how do we know that he had not been given warnings to move out of the way,the way he swaggered up around them i feel sure he would have been told in no uncertain terms,as for the officer being masked it is probably fire resistant gear as he has the full riot kit on and it has been known for petrol bombs to be thrown at a line of police who are moving forward.As i say there are 2 sides to this and he should have been moved along by the arm or arrested for obstruction and not just shoved like that.
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Deb's they are masked so that they cannot be indentified by the media. His collegues will know who it was but he can't be publically identified. They also remove their shoulder numbers for the same reason.
Odd that I don't feel the need to go into work wearing a disguise. I thought the reason that officers wore numbers was to ensure that they are identifiable and therefore accountable for their actions. Have they decided that there are circumstances where they don't need to be? :o
Kevin
Having gone through some riot training I can safely say that the masks are for protection against molotovs, I doubt their numbers are removed but I will prob be proved wrong on this one. You cant see it that easily in this video as the resolution is not good enough.
As hoody put it so well, there are two sides to this story and we have seen a very small part. Before jumping to any conclusions lets let all the evidence come out.
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Deb's they are masked so that they cannot be indentified by the media. His collegues will know who it was but he can't be publically identified. They also remove their shoulder numbers for the same reason.
Odd that I don't feel the need to go into work wearing a disguise. I thought the reason that officers wore numbers was to ensure that they are identifiable and therefore accountable for their actions. Have they decided that there are circumstances where they don't need to be? :o
Kevin
Having gone through some riot training I can safely say that the masks are for protection against molotovs, I doubt their numbers are removed but I will prob be proved wrong on this one. You cant see it that easily in this video as the resolution is not good enough.
As hoody put it so well, there are two sides to this story and we have seen a very small part. Before jumping to any conclusions lets let all the evidence come out.
Indeed Gaffers I want to see and hear further evidence. ;)
To me the guy is, with hands in pockets, walking very slowly, showing every sign of goading the police by a stance that seems to suggest "you want me to move on, then make me!"
Just my observation, and as I say I want to see all the evidence as these police officers had to be ready for trouble from an aggressive crowd. Not an easy job! ::) ::) ::)
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http://www.channel4.com/news/
another camera view
listen to what ken livingstone has to say
click on
Ken Livingstone interview: 'suspend officer concerned'
on channel4.com
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according to the beeb the officer 'concerned' has come forward to the IPCC - if so fair play to him, I expected him to hide behind the badge
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I find it somewhat interesting that the Press, and others, are blaming "The Police" or "The Met" ( as in the thread title) .. but actually the fault was with "the person" who did this ... he over-reacted .. all on his own ..
"The Police", "The Met" and even "The Government" do not exist as cogent bodies. They are run, manned and peopled by human beings, all of whom make mistakes, and should be individually held reponsible instead of hiding behind "corporate speak" and "sound bites"
But I suppose "Joe Bloggs PC99 Caught out" does not have the same dramatic ring as "The Met Caught Out" ... despite the lack of truth .. but truth rarely matters these days .. :(
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I find it somewhat interesting that the Press, and others, are blaming "The Police" or "The Met" ( as in the thread title) .. but actually the fault was with "the person" who did this ... he over-reacted .. all on his own ..
"The Police", "The Met" and even "The Government" do not exist as cogent bodies. They are run, manned and peopled by human beings, all of whom make mistakes, and should be individually held reponsible instead of hiding behind "corporate speak" and "sound bites"
But I suppose "Joe Bloggs PC99 Caught out" does not have the same dramatic ring as "The Met Caught Out" ... despite the lack of truth .. but truth rarely matters these days .. :(
But when you were in the RAF you were not an individual ..... you were part of what the Senior Service ;) would have refered to as the Mob. A common charge for the pi$$ heads was 'bringing the Navy into disrepute'. You can't be a 'team' as and when it suits. All for 1 & 1 for all etc etc
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Not so sure about "fair play to him". He knew as soon as it had happened that he was in the wrong.
There is footage of the uniformed thug lurking in the background, watching as the man he floored walked away. The thug then approaches a senior officer.
Yep, he knew he'd messed up....just didn't know how badly at that time. The net was closing and I suspect he was "advised" to come forward, otherwise he'd have remained hidden behind the "blue curtain".
There is no excuse for his actions and The Met knows this. There are several independent video clips of him hitting the man, whose hands were in his pockets, behind the legs with a batton and when he didn't drop, he shoved him to the ground and retreated.
I'm not anti-police, they have a tough job at times, but this sort of thing is un-acceptable and The Met cannot be allowed to brush it under the carpet.
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Not so sure about "fair play to him". He knew as soon as it had happened that he was in the wrong.
There is footage of the uniformed thug lurking in the background, watching as the man he floored walked away. The thug then approaches a senior officer.
Yep, he knew he'd messed up....just didn't know how badly at that time. The net was closing and I suspect he was "advised" to come forward, otherwise he'd have remained hidden behind the "blue curtain".
There is no excuse for his actions and The Met knows this. There are several independent video clips of him hitting the man, whose hands were in his pockets, behind the legs with a batton and when he didn't drop, he shoved him to the ground and retreated.
I'm not anti-police, they have a tough job at times, but this sort of thing is un-acceptable and The Met cannot be allowed to brush it under the carpet.
What do you mean not anti-police?
Look up 'prejudice' in the dictionary! :y
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Ok...not as a rule. ::)
When I had my car slightly side swiped outside my house, I called plod just to report it and get an incident number for any insurance claim. They said they'd send someone over and fair play, they were with me within 10 mins and went knocking on every door, asking if anyone had seen or heard anything. Same again when I had my rear window shattered, they were with me within 5 mins.
A family argument had spilt out on to my street at gone 1am. Not violent, but quite heated. Two guys arguing, and seeing as a female was trying to calm it down, I took no chances and phoned it in. Within 2 minutes there was a Plodmobile on the scene and a couple of minutes later another two cars arrived.
No complaints about plod in my area:y, but when they mess up big time and say nothing until it's all over the news and they have no choice but to act...>:(
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past.
As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past.
As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
I have, purposefully, kept out of this arguement so far, but must agree with Greenster.
None of us were there ( were we??) and none of us know exactly what happened, before, after or during the incident.
Yes, the Police do tend to close ranks when trouble brews ... as do the Medical Profession, the Armed Services, the Government, the Local Pikies, the Asbo Family down the road, and practically every family in the country would too, when in trouble.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past.
As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
I have, purposefully, kept out of this arguement so far, but must agree with Greenster.
None of us were there ( were we??) and none of us know exactly what happened, before, after or during the incident.
Yes, the Police do tend to close ranks when trouble brews ... as do the Medical Profession, the Armed Services, the Government, the Local Pikies, the Asbo Family down the road, and practically every family in the country would too, when in trouble.
Yep, that about sums it up :y
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
Just out of curiosity, and playing Devil's Advocate here ....... how many people reading this thread would casually walk through what amounted to a "war zone", let alone saunter along with your hands in your pockets ?
I am not commenting on the rights or wrongs of what happened -- but a certain amount of culpability does rest with the guy who died.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
Just out of curiosity, and playing Devil's Advocate here ....... how many people reading this thread would casually walk through what amounted to a "war zone", let alone saunter along with your hands in your pockets ?
I am not commenting on the rights or wrongs of what happened -- but a certain amount of culpability does rest with the guy who died.
Exactly HC, and I stated as much in my earlier posting:
"To me the guy is, with hands in pockets, walking very slowly, showing every sign of goading the police by a stance that seems to suggest "you want me to move on, then make me!"
Just my opinion if I had been behind the police lines. ;)
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How many people here have been arrested...out of them how many of us had a nice officer...how many had a ""Im ARD coz i is a copper"".
Police officers have various faces...the nice friendly chap you nod too on the way too work can be the biggest arsehole when he feels you've done something wrong...the Innocent till proven guilty soon goes out of the window. >:(
Kick him out of the force and let the SUN and News of the world type papers at him... ;D
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Ok, let's say the man (Ian Tomlinson) was making a slow, hands in pocket, protest walk. The officer wasn't trying to move him on. He struck him behind the knees with a batton in an attempt to bring him down and when that didn't bring him to the ground he pushed him hard, like a playground bully and backed away.
That is the behaviour of a man that has lost control.
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Apparently the bloke was wearing a Millwall T-shirt,maybe that is seen as subversive in some quarters and justification in itself. ::)
As I understand it he was being a bit beligerent because he just wanted to get home to the hostel he was staying at,as he had finished his days work,but was getting a bit frustrated at his routes out of the area being blocked,so maybe thats why he was walking slowly etc,
Whatever the reason it is imo pointless trying to defend the plod who attacked him,there is no justification for the police to behave in this way unless the person concerned is in all probability going to cause a genuine and serious risk to the general public,which this bloke obviously wasnt.
I am not one to routinely knock the police,it is no joke doing their job in that type of situation,but SOME of them seem to lose sight of the fact that they are public servants and that is something which imo needs to be curtailed whenever possible.I think this particular cop should have the book thrown at him because he deserves it and it will help send a message to others with his attitude that it is unacceptable.
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Apparently the bloke was wearing a Millwall T-shirt,maybe that is seen as subversive in some quarters and justification in itself. ::)
As I understand it he was being a bit beligerent because he just wanted to get home to the hostel he was staying at,as he had finished his days work,but was getting a bit frustrated at his routes out of the area being blocked,so maybe thats why he was walking slowly etc,
Whatever the reason it is imo pointless trying to defend the plod who attacked him,there is no justification for the police to behave in this way unless the person concerned is in all probability going to cause a genuine and serious risk to the general public,which this bloke obviously wasnt.
I am not one to routinely knock the police,it is no joke doing their job in that type of situation,but SOME of them seem to lose sight of the fact that they are public servants and that is something which imo needs to be curtailed whenever possible.I think this particular cop should have the book thrown at him because he deserves it and it will help send a message to others with his attitude that it is unacceptable.
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Even in the Police, as with any other Job/Profession there will be the odd ars* ole, surly that is what we have here. a bad apple. :)
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Exactly Mike,they are by definition a cross section of the population,so when bad apples are found they should be slung out of the barrel,better for the police and better for the public. :y
Shouldnt be getting on my high horse at this time of night. ::) :)
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Exactly Mike,they are by definition a cross section of the population,so when bad apples are found they should be slung out of the barrel,better for the police and better for the public. :y
Shouldnt be getting on my high horse at this time of night. ::) :)
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I was going to keep out of this one, been watching it though. ::)
I should have added to my post that the officer involved should be appropriately dealt with.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
If you are going to quote from a post, please do try to quote accurately, without omitting key words. In this case the key word was "Protest", although not the case with Ian Tomlinson, he was just trying to get home, but I can appreciate why including the word "protest" would nulify your statement.
I trust you understand the importance of accurate (non-selective) quotation ::)
As for wanting Ian Tomlinson to "move on", what better way than to bring him to the ground with a batton blow behind the knees, and when that fails (Oh, the shame..in front of his fellow officers too), a good hard shove always does the trick.
The un-masked officers all around ? Well, they're safe enough. I mean, anyone throwing a molotov cocktail is only going to target suitably dressed thugs officers.
As for "slagging off the profession as a whole" :-? No...just one officer of the TSG (or CO20).
Anyone remember the SPG, phased out in 1987 ? It appears that due to a few "bad apples" it's just the name that has changed.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
If you are going to quote from a post, please do try to quote accurately, without omitting key words. In this case the key word was "Protest", although not the case with Ian Tomlinson, he was just trying to get home, but I can appreciate why including the word "protest" would nulify your statement.
I trust you understand the importance of accurate (non-selective) quotation ::)
As for wanting Ian Tomlinson to "move on", what better way than to bring him to the ground with a batton blow behind the knees, and when that fails (Oh, the shame..in front of his fellow officers too), a good hard shove always does the trick.
The un-masked officers all around ? Well, they're safe enough. I mean, anyone throwing a molotov cocktail is only going to target suitably dressed thugs officers.
As for "slagging off the profession as a whole" :-? No...just one officer of the TSG (or CO20).
Anyone remember the SPG, phased out in 1987 ? It appears that due to a few "bad apples" it's just the name that has changed.
yet again you are missing the point TURK...i have not and do not defend or agree with the officers actions...only standing up to the prejudice shown by the likes of you and stuart whatever his name is.
I'm sure we can trade insults all day long but i didn't think this was the place for it.
feel free to PM me if you want.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Been busy with other things but agree wholeheartedly.
Been pondering that point also.....
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Well lets think about that....hmmm well everysingle copper thats arrested me for a start... ;D
On a more serious note ive met plenty and like i said before most were/are tossers who think there something special.....again as stated previously i fully believe they have small peni$ syndrome.
They seem too think they have the right too do just what ever they want as there the ones who enforce the law despite some of them not actually knowing what there talking about. ::)
Oh and regards being small minded....you"ll have too do better than that sweetheart... ::)
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Find a comment I have made that includes the term "Filth", "Scum" or any thing other than "Thug".
My posts refer to the officer who was determined to fell a peacefull (somewhat un-hurried, if you want) man, and any person, uniformed or otherwise, that behaves like that is a thug.
As I previously mentioned in this thread, I have on three occasions had dealings with the police in my area and have nothing but praise for the speed and thoroughness of their actions.
Going on those experiences, if there was an incident in my street now, from the time of making the phone call, I'm pretty confident there would be a plodmobile here within minutes.
Show me where I say you are defending the officers actions.
You certainly say Ian Tomlinson was taunting the officers, that he was "culpable for his actions".
Ken Livingstone stated that he feels the TSG, as a unit, adopt an overly aggressive attitude in certain situations and that needs to be addressed.
We'll leave it there. We could agree to disagree, but that is not the case. We all know the officers actions should be investigated.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Well lets think about that....hmmm well everysingle copper thats arrested me for a start... ;D
On a more serious note ive met plenty and like i said before most were/are tossers who think there something special.....again as stated previously i fully believe they have small peni$ syndrome.
They seem too think they have the right too do just what ever they want as there the ones who enforce the law despite some of them not actually knowing what there talking about. ::)
Oh and regards being small minded....you"ll have too do better than that sweetheart... ::)
well with that attitude i'm sure most of the police that you have been in contact with thought you were a complete arse.
sounds like you have a huge chip on your shoulder but expect to be treated with respect and dignity when you fail to show the same respect to anyone who wears the uniform just cos you think they're all tossers!
Take care darlin.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Well lets think about that....hmmm well everysingle copper thats arrested me for a start... ;D
On a more serious note ive met plenty and like i said before most were/are tossers who think there something special.....again as stated previously i fully believe they have small peni$ syndrome.
They seem too think they have the right too do just what ever they want as there the ones who enforce the law despite some of them not actually knowing what there talking about. ::)
Oh and regards being small minded....you"ll have too do better than that sweetheart... ::)
well with that attitude i'm sure most of the police that you have been in contact with thought you were a complete arse.
sounds like you have a huge chip on your shoulder but expect to be treated with respect and dignity when you fail to show the same respect to anyone who wears the uniform just cos you think they're all tossers!
Take care darlin.
So you feel you know me do you...hmmm.
You make assumptions yet call me small minded....say i have a chip on my SHOULDER.....you aint got the first clue you tosser.
Sounds like your the idiot with the chip on the shoulder....now jog on and get a life. ::)
You aint fit too lick my arse let alone converse on the same level as me. ;D
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Cant beat a nice freindly debate eh ;D ;D
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First of all the police are people...........some good........ some bad
But I do think that the Police force in general likes to attract people with an Aggressive personality ..................people who are always ready for......... and always enjoy the chance "to bring up the knuckle"
Some of the police,...................especially some of the young ones ...............are little more than thugs in uniform.......others try to do a genuinely good job in difficult circumstances.
Many years ago a friend of mine joined the police force......his phychotic personality ...........made him an excellent officer ....giving him plenty of scope to practice his own brand of brutality on the streets ..........Dixon of Dock Green he is not. :y
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Well lets think about that....hmmm well everysingle copper thats arrested me for a start... ;D
On a more serious note ive met plenty and like i said before most were/are tossers who think there something special.....again as stated previously i fully believe they have small peni$ syndrome.
They seem too think they have the right too do just what ever they want as there the ones who enforce the law despite some of them not actually knowing what there talking about. ::)
Oh and regards being small minded....you"ll have too do better than that sweetheart... ::)
well with that attitude i'm sure most of the police that you have been in contact with thought you were a complete arse.
sounds like you have a huge chip on your shoulder but expect to be treated with respect and dignity when you fail to show the same respect to anyone who wears the uniform just cos you think they're all tossers!
Take care darlin.
So you feel you know me do you...hmmm.
You make assumptions yet call me small minded....say i have a chip on my SHOULDER.....you aint got the first clue you tosser.
Sounds like your the thingy with the chip on the shoulder....now jog on and get a life. ::)
You aint fit too lick my arse let alone converse on the same level as me. ;D
Ok, lets stop this in its tracks...
No probs with debate but I and the other admins draw a line at downright trench warfare with sweary words and insults in place of reasoned debate.
Please cease and desist or I will personally withdraw access to OOF for all combatants.
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Well lets think about that....hmmm well everysingle copper thats arrested me for a start... ;D
On a more serious note ive met plenty and like i said before most were/are tossers who think there something special.....again as stated previously i fully believe they have small peni$ syndrome.
They seem too think they have the right too do just what ever they want as there the ones who enforce the law despite some of them not actually knowing what there talking about. ::)
Oh and regards being small minded....you"ll have too do better than that sweetheart... ::)
well with that attitude i'm sure most of the police that you have been in contact with thought you were a complete arse.
sounds like you have a huge chip on your shoulder but expect to be treated with respect and dignity when you fail to show the same respect to anyone who wears the uniform just cos you think they're all tossers!
Take care darlin.
So you feel you know me do you...hmmm.
You make assumptions yet call me small minded....say i have a chip on my SHOULDER.....you aint got the first clue you tosser.
Sounds like your the thingy with the chip on the shoulder....now jog on and get a life. ::)
You aint fit too lick my arse let alone converse on the same level as me. ;D
Ok, lets stop this in its tracks...
No probs with debate but I and the other admins draw a line at downright trench warfare with sweary words and insults in place of reasoned debate.
Please cease and desist or I will personally withdraw access to OOF for all combatants.
Naughty boys. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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I cannot believe some peoples attitude to this and how quick they are to slag off "the filth" as they so nicely put it.
I do think the police officer involved was ott in how hard he pushed the man, but you're all naieve to think he was just innocently walking past. As mentioned in an earlier comment, no demo's are peaceful, there are always the minority that come with the sole intent to cause trouble. As for the "masks" the police thugs were wearing..they are public order issue, standard dress and flame retardent because yes some people through petrol bombs at police but obviously thats ok.
Its was also nicely skirted over by the media that only minutes before this incident 4 police officers were attacked by a large group of "peaceful demonstrators". Once again this seems to be acceptable in some pepoles eyes, thats thier job after all.
I'm not defending the officer in question and yes i think his actions need to be investigated but the level of predjudice shown is staggering.
What ?? If someone had been waving a banner and shouting at the top of his voice...it is his right to peacefully (as in non-violently) protest, or in the dead mans case, walk home from work, with his hands in his pockets.
As for masks being standard issue...why were there only a couple of officers wearing these "standard issue" safety items.
I think you need to re-asses who is naive. :y
yep, standard issue to all "public order" trained officers..not all police on duty were, hence not all having the "masks". I hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
I have not once attempted to defend the officers actions, i think he was out of order, my point is simply because one officer was wreckless some people see it as an opportunity to slag off the profession as a whole which is out of order.
There are a**eholes in every walk of life but you dont find me on here slagging them off because i had a bad experience with one.
As for the comment made about the slow walk with hands in his pocket, that is spot on.."you want me to move, make me".
He is culpable for his behaviour but yes the officer needs to be investigated and dealt with appropriately.
There just a bunch of pussys hiding behind there job......makes me sick the way they think there above the law.
Met enough too know 90% are tossers.
Personaly id like too see the oficer in question being spit roasted in a nice prison......
shut up you small minded idiot...we are talking about one officers actions but yet again it turns into a free for all against the police in general.
i wonder how you've met so many police to draw such a conclusion...
Well lets think about that....hmmm well everysingle copper thats arrested me for a start... ;D
On a more serious note ive met plenty and like i said before most were/are tossers who think there something special.....again as stated previously i fully believe they have small peni$ syndrome.
They seem too think they have the right too do just what ever they want as there the ones who enforce the law despite some of them not actually knowing what there talking about. ::)
Oh and regards being small minded....you"ll have too do better than that sweetheart... ::)
well with that attitude i'm sure most of the police that you have been in contact with thought you were a complete arse.
sounds like you have a huge chip on your shoulder but expect to be treated with respect and dignity when you fail to show the same respect to anyone who wears the uniform just cos you think they're all tossers!
Take care darlin.
So you feel you know me do you...hmmm.
You make assumptions yet call me small minded....say i have a chip on my SHOULDER.....you aint got the first clue you tosser.
Sounds like your the thingy with the chip on the shoulder....now jog on and get a life. ::)
You aint fit too lick my arse let alone converse on the same level as me. ;D
Ok, lets stop this in its tracks...
No probs with debate but I and the other admins draw a line at downright trench warfare with sweary words and insults in place of reasoned debate.
Please cease and desist or I will personally withdraw access to OOF for all combatants.
Well what a suprise..... ;D
You wanna ban me then go a head big boy if that what makes you feel like a man. ::)
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Well what a suprise..... ;D
You wanna ban me then go a head big boy if that what makes you feel like a man. ::)
Please, debate away. No probs with that. What I think of the matter makes no never mind, but I will keep my responses clean.
If you want to enter into abusive taunts in an effort to get your point of view across, then thats another matter and will be moderated.
Your call, not mine.
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great thread :y :y
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stuart30, a friendly piece of advice...
Shut up and accept their are 2 sides to every story.
Last warning ;)
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There's good and bad in every walk of life.
Many years ago I was sat in one of the pubs in my home town at around 1am on New Years morning, the place was packed.
The door opens and in walks Glyn the copper. He walks the length of the room and back, eyeing every one as he passes. He stops, turns to the crowd and says "Hmm...right then....just making sure everyones drinking !" and off he goes.
:y
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There's good and bad in every walk of life.
Many years ago I was sat in one of the pubs in my home town at around 1am on New Years morning, the place was packed.
The door opens and in walks Glyn the copper. He walks the length of the room and back, eyeing every one as he passes. He stops, turns to the crowd and says "Hmm...right then....just making sure everyones drinking !" and off he goes.
:y
Exactly :y
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stuart30, a friendly piece of advice...
Shut up and accept their are 2 sides to every story.
Last warning ;)
TB friendly reply...take your ""friendly"" advice and shove it up your arse mate. :y
Try reading and digest what ive said rather assume.... :-?
Seems like some folks just cant stand hearing the truth. ::)
Id rather be out spoken if its something i believe in than a sheep and follow the crowd...ta ra.
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This is getting a bit tedious,terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired,ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.
Time for a few drops of Loctite? ;)
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i'm surprised that this thread is even still on the site
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It's ok. All the contentious things were said with hands in pockets. Apparently that makes it hunky-dory. :D
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It's ok. All the contentious things were said with hands in pockets. Apparently that makes it hunky-dory. :D
Ooh nooo...don't start it off again ;D
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Jesus, at last, an argument on OOF not involving or started by me.......
:y
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
My knuckles are still raw and bruised and skinless from beating the crap out of that laserjet...
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
To be honest Nick I thought the same too, especially when you have members telling Admin to stick it up their arse........!!
I confess to being stupid and gettting carried away sometimes, but I aint THAT stupid.......!!
:D
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
My knuckles are still raw and bruised and skinless from beating the crap out of that laserjet...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
just have a think tb
if we was at a meet that is used every year and this thread was started at the meet in person and everything that was said in this thread was said face to face
i would say the place where the meet was held would have been the worse meet going and i would hate that to happen if my 3 kids was around
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
To be honest Nick I thought the same too, especially when you have members telling Admin to stick it up their arse........!!
I confess to being stupid and gettting carried away sometimes, but I aint THAT stupid.......!!
:D
Stupid or voicing an opinion.....if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
To be honest Nick I thought the same too, especially when you have members telling Admin to stick it up their arse........!!
I confess to being stupid and gettting carried away sometimes, but I aint THAT stupid.......!!
:D
Stupid or voicing an opinion.....if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
I was right first time stuart30......!!!
You dont voice an opinion by telling Site Admin to stick it up their arse.....!
Anyway, your argument not mine.
:y
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
To be honest Nick I thought the same too, especially when you have members telling Admin to stick it up their arse........!!
I confess to being stupid and gettting carried away sometimes, but I aint THAT stupid.......!!
:D
Stupid or voicing an opinion.....if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
I was right first time stuart30......!!!
You dont voice an opinion by telling Site Admin to stick it up their arse.....!
Anyway, your argument not mine.
:y
But that was my opinion.. ::)
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Discussing what, if any, moderation should be done... ;)
seeing the difference between this thread and the 1 a while ago about the 8 grand mig or what ever it was can't remember
anyway having a read of this thread i'm surprised members was not kicked off
if this thread was discused in a pub or a oof meet i would hate to think of the outcome
To be honest Nick I thought the same too, especially when you have members telling Admin to stick it up their arse........!!
I confess to being stupid and gettting carried away sometimes, but I aint THAT stupid.......!!
:D
admin work dam hard to keep this site up and running and i take my hat off to them, not creeping or anything
but to me its not just a case of pushing a few buttons there is alot more involved in running this site to the high standards that its running at
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I don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
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I don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
Thats the trouble with the written word its not always taken as it was meant.
I certainly dont expect life too owe me ought...i never expect anything for free just the opposite.
Regards breaking the rules yeah i do...like many people do,the difference is im brutally honest about doing it (be rather two faced if i condoned something i have done wouldn't it)...i mean whats worse shill bidding or speeding both are wrong yet no one really cares if someone speeds do they (except the law)...yet people want blood if they feel they might have paid a quid more than they needed too.
And regards the law...ive very good reasons too dislike the police,not all as there are some good officers,its like anything if they have failed in doing there duty its (in my mind at least) normal too become bitter.
End of the day i have strong views on some subjects....its part of my personality.
Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around. ::)
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Havent been so entertained on here since the 8k mig thing either!!!Have to agree with the admins tho guys, were all adults on here and we can all have strong views but you have to step back sometimes and think about how much your passion for a point of view can turn to just personal insults and whilst most of us may well "kiss and makeup" / no hard feelings afterwards it aint pretty reading sometimes. As for the original point of the thread, it does seem that the guy was trying to wind up the coppers and the individual officers reaction was very ott and needs investigating, but I think it being the sole cause of his death is pushing it too far. The police do a very difficult job sometimes and, just as in any proffession, not all of them are up to it nor as good as they should be.
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Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around.
ANSWERS ON A POST CARD :D
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I don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
Thats the trouble with the written word its not always taken as it was meant.
I certainly dont expect life too owe me ought...i never expect anything for free just the opposite.
Regards breaking the rules yeah i do...like many people do,the difference is im brutally honest about doing it (be rather two faced if i condoned something i have done wouldn't it)...i mean whats worse shill bidding or speeding both are wrong yet no one really cares if someone speeds do they (except the law)...yet people want blood if they feel they might have paid a quid more than they needed too.
And regards the law...ive very good reasons too dislike the police,not all as there are some good officers,its like anything if they have failed in doing there duty its (in my mind at least) normal too become bitter.
End of the day i have strong views on some subjects....its part of my personality.
Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around. ::)
Opinions and strong views are like arseholes. Everyones got one, just that some arseholes are bigger and more vocal than others.....
And the stick the advice quote WAS over the top, no 'might' about it.
And I will also be fair and give fair warning for the last time.
Look at whats written under the 'General Chat' header on the front page.... Use this area to talk about anything you like, but keep it pleasant, clean and polite and LEGAL please. That applies across all boards, incedentally, not just GenChat.
Please keep up the airing of your views but, be assured, if your written word/tone does not become more in line with whats expected, you will be banned. Plain as..... :y
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ill join ya
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Opinions and strong views are like arseholes. Everyones got one, just that some arseholes are bigger and more vocal than others.....
And the stick the advice quote WAS over the top, no 'might' about it.
And I will also be fair and give fair warning for the last time.
Look at whats written under the 'General Chat' header on the front page.... Use this area to talk about anything you like, but keep it pleasant, clean and polite and LEGAL please. That applies across all boards, incedentally, not just GenChat.
Please keep up the airing of your views but, be assured, if your written word/tone does not become more in line with whats expected, you will be banned. Plain as..... :y
well said admin
rules are there for a reason
if broken depending on how bad rules where broken
in my opinion red card, black flag
bye bye gone
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I agree, If rules are broken then it should be good night Vienna. Some banter is good but if it gets out of hand then there should be warnings, and if it's bad then out you go.
Three strikes and your out in my opinion.
Paul :y
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I don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
Thats the trouble with the written word its not always taken as it was meant.
I certainly dont expect life too owe me ought...i never expect anything for free just the opposite.
Regards breaking the rules yeah i do...like many people do,the difference is im brutally honest about doing it (be rather two faced if i condoned something i have done wouldn't it)...i mean whats worse shill bidding or speeding both are wrong yet no one really cares if someone speeds do they (except the law)...yet people want blood if they feel they might have paid a quid more than they needed too.
And regards the law...ive very good reasons too dislike the police,not all as there are some good officers,its like anything if they have failed in doing there duty its (in my mind at least) normal too become bitter.
End of the day i have strong views on some subjects....its part of my personality.
Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around. ::)
Opinions and strong views are like arseholes. Everyones got one, just that some arseholes are bigger and more vocal than others.....
And the stick the advice quote WAS over the top, no 'might' about it.
And I will also be fair and give fair warning for the last time.
Look at whats written under the 'General Chat' header on the front page.... Use this area to talk about anything you like, but keep it pleasant, clean and polite and LEGAL please. That applies across all boards, incedentally, not just GenChat.
Please keep up the airing of your views but, be assured, if your written word/tone does not become more in line with whats expected, you will be banned. Plain as..... :y
If you had taken the time too read the latter end of the thread you would have seen it wasnt me who started too throw insults around...but no thats too much trouble for you isnt it ya dickless wonder.
In fact just do it...let me make it plain..F U C K YOU. ::)
Hope thats plain enough. :y
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I don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
Thats the trouble with the written word its not always taken as it was meant.
I certainly dont expect life too owe me ought...i never expect anything for free just the opposite.
Regards breaking the rules yeah i do...like many people do,the difference is im brutally honest about doing it (be rather two faced if i condoned something i have done wouldn't it)...i mean whats worse shill bidding or speeding both are wrong yet no one really cares if someone speeds do they (except the law)...yet people want blood if they feel they might have paid a quid more than they needed too.
And regards the law...ive very good reasons too dislike the police,not all as there are some good officers,its like anything if they have failed in doing there duty its (in my mind at least) normal too become bitter.
End of the day i have strong views on some subjects....its part of my personality.
Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around. ::)
Opinions and strong views are like arseholes. Everyones got one, just that some arseholes are bigger and more vocal than others.....
And the stick the advice quote WAS over the top, no 'might' about it.
And I will also be fair and give fair warning for the last time.
Look at whats written under the 'General Chat' header on the front page.... Use this area to talk about anything you like, but keep it pleasant, clean and polite and LEGAL please. That applies across all boards, incedentally, not just GenChat.
Please keep up the airing of your views but, be assured, if your written word/tone does not become more in line with whats expected, you will be banned. Plain as..... :y
If you had taken the time too read the latter end of the thread you would have seen it wasnt me who started too throw insults around...but no thats too much trouble for you isnt it ya dickless wonder.
In fact just do it...let me make it plain..F U C K YOU. ::)
Hope thats plain enough. :y
Strange comment for your trouser condiditon?
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I don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
Thats the trouble with the written word its not always taken as it was meant.
I certainly dont expect life too owe me ought...i never expect anything for free just the opposite.
Regards breaking the rules yeah i do...like many people do,the difference is im brutally honest about doing it (be rather two faced if i condoned something i have done wouldn't it)...i mean whats worse shill bidding or speeding both are wrong yet no one really cares if someone speeds do they (except the law)...yet people want blood if they feel they might have paid a quid more than they needed too.
And regards the law...ive very good reasons too dislike the police,not all as there are some good officers,its like anything if they have failed in doing there duty its (in my mind at least) normal too become bitter.
End of the day i have strong views on some subjects....its part of my personality.
Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around. ::)
Opinions and strong views are like arseholes. Everyones got one, just that some arseholes are bigger and more vocal than others.....
And the stick the advice quote WAS over the top, no 'might' about it.
And I will also be fair and give fair warning for the last time.
Look at whats written under the 'General Chat' header on the front page.... Use this area to talk about anything you like, but keep it pleasant, clean and polite and LEGAL please. That applies across all boards, incedentally, not just GenChat.
Please keep up the airing of your views but, be assured, if your written word/tone does not become more in line with whats expected, you will be banned. Plain as..... :y
If you had taken the time too read the latter end of the thread you would have seen it wasnt me who started too throw insults around...but no thats too much trouble for you isnt it ya dickless wonder.
In fact just do it...let me make it plain..F U C K YOU. ::)
Hope thats plain enough. :y
Strange comment for your trouser condiditon?
Well if thatdoesnt get a ban i dont know what would !!
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:oI don't know you, I've never met you. However, you come across as if you expect life to owe you something, without having to give something back, and that your are always in the right, even if your are breaking rules/laws, and those that try to uphold those must be, by your definition, arseholes. Apologies if that is not the real you, thats just how you come across, and I'm guessing, from the messages I get, that I'm not alone in tiring with your arrogance.
if my opinion isnt valid im sure TB knows when the ban button is.
Opinions are welcome, but FFS take the friendly hint when its offered.
Thats the trouble with the written word its not always taken as it was meant.
I certainly dont expect life too owe me ought...i never expect anything for free just the opposite.
Regards breaking the rules yeah i do...like many people do,the difference is im brutally honest about doing it (be rather two faced if i condoned something i have done wouldn't it)...i mean whats worse shill bidding or speeding both are wrong yet no one really cares if someone speeds do they (except the law)...yet people want blood if they feel they might have paid a quid more than they needed too.
And regards the law...ive very good reasons too dislike the police,not all as there are some good officers,its like anything if they have failed in doing there duty its (in my mind at least) normal too become bitter.
End of the day i have strong views on some subjects....its part of my personality.
Maybe the stick the advice was OTT but lets be fair...did i start throwing insults around. ::)
Opinions and strong views are like arseholes. Everyones got one, just that some arseholes are bigger and more vocal than others.....
And the stick the advice quote WAS over the top, no 'might' about it.
And I will also be fair and give fair warning for the last time.
Look at whats written under the 'General Chat' header on the front page.... Use this area to talk about anything you like, but keep it pleasant, clean and polite and LEGAL please. That applies across all boards, incedentally, not just GenChat.
Please keep up the airing of your views but, be assured, if your written word/tone does not become more in line with whats expected, you will be banned. Plain as..... :y
If you had taken the time too read the latter end of the thread you would have seen it wasnt me who started too throw insults around...but no thats too much trouble for you isnt it ya dickless wonder.
In fact just do it...let me make it plain..F U C K YOU. ::)
Hope thats plain enough. :y
Strange comment for your trouser condiditon?
Well if thatdoesnt get a ban i dont know what would !!
attitude and bad language like that in my books deserves a ban
sorry but thats that >:( >:( >:( >:(
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He wants the ban so give it to him. He's been angling for it for some time now. :P
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Stuart30. Your wish has been granted....
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
This isn't moderation as such though, Stuart went too far after a friendly warning from Bruce
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speak your mind, say how you feel about a subject, end of story. if one cant agree with anothers views then you shouldnt post a comment. this isnt the frist thread where insults have been thrown because someone dont like the views of others.when it gets to insulting other members and admins thats when its time to stop the thread and issue warnings. take heed or face a ban in my mind.
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A complete ban is the way to go if members well and truly over step the mark in my book. Well done Admin team, hope this is a eye opener to other members who think they can get away with it.
Paul :y
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
This isn't moderation as such though, Stuart went too far after a friendly warning from Bruce
Went on way beyond what it should have done and there are a fair few of us had bollockings for far less!
Would appear that you cant speak your mind without being branded a trouble maker and being subjected to certain admins mind games!
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looks like male favouritism going on!I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
male bonding, sexual attraction maybe ljay ;D ;D ;D ;D
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stuart30 is now a newbie
has he just had his post count took or has he been banned
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Can I put my body armour away now please? :( :(
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stuart30 is now a newbie
has he just had his post count took or has he been banned
He has been binned.....
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stuart30 is now a newbie
has he just had his post count took or has he been banned
He has been binned.....
you binned him them and not banned him
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
This isn't moderation as such though, Stuart went too far after a friendly warning from Bruce
Went on way beyond what it should have done and there are a fair few of us had bollockings for far less!
Would appear that you cant speak your mind without being branded a trouble maker and being subjected to certain admins mind games!
Eh? That aimed at me? If so, send me a PM - there is more to this thread than meets the eye :-*
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
This isn't moderation as such though, Stuart went too far after a friendly warning from Bruce
Went on way beyond what it should have done and there are a fair few of us had bollockings for far less!
Would appear that you cant speak your mind without being branded a trouble maker and being subjected to certain admins mind games!
Eh? That aimed at me? If so, send me a PM - there is more to this thread than meets the eye :-*
Copy your PM response to me as well, please. I'm intrigued... :-/
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speak your mind, say how you feel about a subject, end of story. if one cant agree with anothers views then you shouldnt post a comment. this isnt the frist thread where insults have been thrown because someone dont like the views of others.when it gets to insulting other members and admins thats when its time to stop the thread and issue warnings. take heed or face a ban in my mind.
We are such a mixed group that inevitably there will be differences of opinion. As adults we need to know this and sometimes may have to agree to disagree. Banter seems fine, putting your point across is fine but no need for insults, and we should not need the admins to tell us that.
This is just my opinion, others may differ, but if they do then tough.... :D :D
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stuart30 is now a newbie
has he just had his post count took or has he been banned
He has been binned.....
you binned him them and not banned him
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Was waiting for a concencus from the admin team. He's now banned and an ex-member....
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stuart30 is now a newbie
has he just had his post count took or has he been banned
He has been binned.....
you binned him them and not banned him
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Was waiting for a concencus from the admin team. He's now banned and an ex-member....
he will be back
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speak your mind, say how you feel about a subject, end of story. if one cant agree with anothers views then you shouldnt post a comment. this isnt the frist thread where insults have been thrown because someone dont like the views of others.when it gets to insulting other members and admins thats when its time to stop the thread and issue warnings. take heed or face a ban in my mind.
We are such a mixed group that inevitably there will be differences of opinion. As adults we need to know this and sometimes may have to agree to disagree. Banter seems fine, putting your point across is fine but no need for insults, and we should not need the admins to tell us that.
This is just my opinion, others may differ, but if they do then tough.... :D :D
there are two sides to every story, personally i think stuart30 was ott but not the only one chucking insults about :(
He'll be back soon :-X
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Been watching this one for a while with no real views on the topic either way ..... :-/
Now while we still have free speech in this country ( for the moment any way ) everyone is entitled to there view and opinion.
But i feel i need to doff my cap to H21 and TB for not getting involved in the slagging match that the ex member was looking for ... to slag off and personally insult the very people who run this site for HIS benefit is just wrong .... :o
Well done chaps :y :y :y
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I thought he was rather silly and should have taken Brucies very large hint.
As to commenting on trouser contents - who was he to talk?
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
This isn't moderation as such though, Stuart went too far after a friendly warning from Bruce
Went on way beyond what it should have done and there are a fair few of us had bollockings for far less!
Would appear that you cant speak your mind without being branded a trouble maker and being subjected to certain admins mind games!
Eh? That aimed at me? If so, send me a PM - there is more to this thread than meets the eye :-*
Copy your PM response to me as well, please. I'm intrigued... :-/
Nope not aimed at either of you (though i have been on the recieving end of a few private bollockings from TB!) to my knowledge you 2 arent big on mind games!
Though did feel that i would have got sat on much sooner than stuart did!
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re the news
did he have to hit her
you decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUtoOsoDXRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHkcxOTnS_4
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OMG! What a giggle that was otherday... :o
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re the news
did he have to hit her
you decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUtoOsoDXRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHkcxOTnS_4
they(police) have done themselves no favours :-[
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re the news
did he have to hit her
you decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUtoOsoDXRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHkcxOTnS_4
they(police) have done themselves no favours :-[
Quite agree.
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The woman yes - she would not lay off even when baton pulled out
The man no - just walking along
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The woman gives the impression of being an over excited pain in the arse who didnt know when to shut up,doesnt imo give anyone the right to whack her with a baton.
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The woman gives the impression of being an over excited pain in the arse who didnt know when to shut up,doesnt imo give anyone the right to whack her with a baton.
Sounds just like my wife and I don't darn'tgive her a beating with a stick ;D
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looks like male favouritism going on!
I've been moderated for much much less!!!!!
Seems to me this is not a nice place to be no more!
This isn't moderation as such though, Stuart went too far after a friendly warning from Bruce
Went on way beyond what it should have done and there are a fair few of us had bollockings for far less!
Would appear that you cant speak your mind without being branded a trouble maker and being subjected to certain admins mind games!
Eh? That aimed at me? If so, send me a PM - there is more to this thread than meets the eye :-*
Copy your PM response to me as well, please. I'm intrigued... :-/
Nope not aimed at either of you (though i have been on the recieving end of a few private bollockings from TB!) to my knowledge you 2 arent big on mind games!
Though did feel that i would have got sat on much sooner than stuart did!
Do tell .....Ljay ::) ::) :y
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the police have been accused of brutality at the g20 protests and 2 officers have been sepsended. yet at the isreal demos in january, they did break all but run away from the protesters. ???
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the police have been accused of brutality at the g20 protests and 2 officers have been sepsended. yet at the isreal demos in january, they did break all but run away from the protesters. ???
They arent allowed to beat Muslims up........its racist........ :D :D :D
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the police have been accused of brutality at the g20 protests and 2 officers have been sepsended. yet at the isreal demos in january, they did break all but run away from the protesters. ???
They arent allowed to beat Muslims up........its racist........ :D :D :D
didnt even show it on the news did they, it was banned >:(
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If you ask anyone in the service industry about their dealings with members of the public you would be surprised by the tales of intolerance, violence, implied and actual and downright rudeness.
Put a uniform on, stand in the midst of a vast crowd and you can multiply those sentiments by a factor of 10. For the most part you cannot argue or debate with anyone emotionally charged up in this way. Especially if there is an underlying agenda within the gathering.
Any officer overstepping the mark in such circumstances needs to be disciplined in the proper arena - and should they be, the consequences are dire. Please spare a thought however for the vast majority of police officers who are doing a very difficult job as best they can.
Remember it's the police officer, the paramedic and the firefighter who are the ones running towards the problem whist the majority have to run away.
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And now a bloody again!