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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 18 April 2009, 14:12:48
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It is being widely reported today that the government are soon going to announce a 20 mph speed limit in urban areas and on roads near schools.
Also reductions in speed limits at accident blackspots.
Discuss?! ::)
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thats nothing new, all the scools round here have a 20mph limit outside then and more and more 20mph zones are poping up.
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Pointless.
If people don't stick to current levels, are they really going to stick to even lower ones??
And as many many other places say, its not speed which kills, its lack of solid driver training or respect for other road users and conditions which is the killer factor. The amount of 17 year old neds I see round here ragging the absolute nuts off there cars (usually 1ltr saxo's or corsa's) just to get anywhere, aswell as speeding round corners, junctions, etc, no indication of change of direction, etc... Really annoys me...
Plus its just another back-handed tax increase on motorists (as usual)
Lower speed == less economical MPG == more fuel used == more revenue raised, and more pissed off motorists.
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I've no problem with 20mph near schools,most round here are that already. Think they should ease up a bit on the limits later on at night though,doing you for doing 40mph in urban areas at 3am is out of order in my opinion.
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20 mph speed limits are becoming increasingly popular around schools and in some residential areas, which I see as a very good thing as there are far too many human bodies, including children, around. :y :y
However on motorways, where pedestrians should never exist, there should be no limit!!
Watch the comments now!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Already commonplace...
Unfortunately necessary due to retards of most ages not being able to understand the Green Cross Code, or have the brain power to implement it. Perhaps the government should spend money on rerunning the 1970's campaigns.
My annoyance of this comes from where I work - roundabout city, aka Milton Keynes.
For those lucky enough to never have been there, Milton Keynes is a large, diverse, sprawling town that has the widest range of inhabitants. Some of these inhabitants obviously have recently evolved from pond life.
The planners of MK have done a fantastic job of planning the town, keeping cars and pedestrians/cyclists seperate for safety reasons, and allowing good traffic flow. MK is built on a series of North/South and East/West roads, forming a grid. Some are single carriageway, most main grid roads are dual carriageway. To keep pedestrians and cyclists safe from traffic, there is a seperate system of good 'roads' purely for them, called Redways. These Redways have bridges or subways wherever they cross a grid road. Therefore, the gridroads were all at National Speed restrictions (60/70mph)
Ideal? Yes, absolutely. It works very, very, very well, and should be used in all large towns.
Problems? You bet. The planners didn't comprehend quite how stupid the offspring of some of the more incredibly stupid inhabitants could be. So, in certain parts of town, you have idiots, who to be fair lack the brain power to know that stepping out in front of a bus will hurt, step out in front of moving traffic with the obvious consequences. There are also far too stupid to use the Redways. This seems to be a particular problem in certain parts of town - near the 'no-go' areas where the council tend to put the more problematic families.
The council's solution? Rather than tackle the real issue, lower the speed limits to 30/50mph. A car hitting someone at 50mph is going to kill these people equally effectively as hitting them at 70.
Now, if I was in charge of the council there, I would keep the speed limits at the national levels. Yes, people stupid enough not to use the Redways will die, but some of these estates need a better gene pool anyway ;) :P
Anyway, now I've upset most of our North Bucks members.......
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20 mph speed limits are becoming increasingly popular around schools and in some residential areas, which I see as a very good thing as there are far too many human bodies, including children, around. :y :y
However on motorways, where pedestrians should never exist, there should be no limit!!
Watch the comments now!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
I think you're too liberal... :P
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20 mph speed limits are becoming increasingly popular around schools and in some residential areas, which I see as a very good thing as there are far too many human bodies, including children, around. :y :y
However on motorways, where pedestrians should never exist, there should be no limit!!
Watch the comments now!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Already commonplace...
Unfortunately necessary due to retards of most ages not being able to understand the Green Cross Code, or have the brain power to implement it. Perhaps the government should spend money on rerunning the 1970's campaigns.
My annoyance of this comes from where I work - roundabout city, aka Milton Keynes.
For those lucky enough to never have been there, Milton Keynes is a large, diverse, sprawling town that has the widest range of inhabitants. Some of these inhabitants obviously have recently evolved from pond life.
The planners of MK have done a fantastic job of planning the town, keeping cars and pedestrians/cyclists seperate for safety reasons, and allowing good traffic flow. MK is built on a series of North/South and East/West roads, forming a grid. Some are single carriageway, most main grid roads are dual carriageway. To keep pedestrians and cyclists safe from traffic, there is a seperate system of good 'roads' purely for them, called Redways. These Redways have bridges or subways wherever they cross a grid road. Therefore, the gridroads were all at National Speed restrictions (60/70mph)
Ideal? Yes, absolutely. It works very, very, very well, and should be used in all large towns.
Problems? You bet. The planners didn't comprehend quite how stupid the offspring of some of the more incredibly stupid inhabitants could be. So, in certain parts of town, you have idiots, who to be fair lack the brain power to know that stepping out in front of a bus will hurt, step out in front of moving traffic with the obvious consequences. There are also far too stupid to use the Redways. This seems to be a particular problem in certain parts of town - near the 'no-go' areas where the council tend to put the more problematic families.
The council's solution? Rather than tackle the real issue, lower the speed limits to 30/50mph. A car hitting someone at 50mph is going to kill these people equally effectively as hitting them at 70.
Now, if I was in charge of the council there, I would keep the speed limits at the national levels. Yes, people stupid enough not to use the Redways will die, but some of these estates need a better gene pool anyway ;) :P
Anyway, now I've upset most of our North Bucks members.......
I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there :'( :'( :'(
Never again I hope!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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The other problem becoming apparent in the affected areas of MK, and no doubt elsewhere, is back roads (with a higher limit) become rat-runs, which drivers do tend to speed down more to 'win the race' with traffic going the more direct but slower route, so in reality, shifts the problem.
If the issue is pedestrians getting hit in road, then education of the pedestrains, rather than punishment of the motorists. If I could safely cross the road properly at 3yrs old, I'm sure anyone can.
I should add, I was shocked at how kids today are unaware of road safety - I was on hols with my Bro and his kids, and they (the kids) do just walk out in the road without looking :o - they really have no idea, and these kids are old enough to know better, and academically pretty smart :o :o
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I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there :'( :'( :'(
Never again I hope!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid ;D - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road) :o
Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.
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I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there :'( :'( :'(
Never again I hope!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid ;D - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road) :o
Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.
All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!! ::) ::) ::) ::) Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!! :o :o :D :D :D ;)
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I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there :'( :'( :'(
Never again I hope!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid ;D - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road) :o
Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.
All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!! ::) ::) ::) ::) Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!! :o :o :D :D :D ;)
The grid is fantastic, works really well, and impossible to get lost on. Presumably you come up M1, so join H8 (from Jnc13) or H6/H5/H3 (from Jnc 14)?
Take, for example, the Vx Dealer - its on V4 (Watling St), between H5 (Portway) and H4 (Dansteed Way), so if you join MK at Jnc 13 of M1, cruise along H8 (Standing Way) until you get to V4 (Watling St), and keep going up until you get to H5 (Portway), then you know you are virtually there. Get to H4 (Dansteed Way), you've gone too far up. Or join at Jnc14, get on H5 (Portway), hang a right when you hit V4 (Watling St). Even if you go wrong, you always know where you are as you know where you are on the grid :y
(I should add, avoid that dealer like the plague though, as they are the most scummiest of scumbags)
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I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there :'( :'( :'(
Never again I hope!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid ;D - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road) :o
Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.
All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!! ::) ::) ::) ::) Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!! :o :o :D :D :D ;)
The grid is fantastic, works really well, and impossible to get lost on. Presumably you come up M1, so join H8 (from Jnc13) or H6/H5/H3 (from Jnc 14)?
Take, for example, the Vx Dealer - its on V4 (Watling St), between H5 (Portway) and H4 (Dansteed Way), so if you join MK at Jnc 13 of M1, cruise along H8 (Standing Way) until you get to V4 (Watling St), and keep going up until you get to H5 (Portway), then you know you are virtually there. Or join at Jnc14, get on H5 (Portway), hang a right when you hit V4 (Watling St). Even if you go wrong, you always know where you are as you know where you are on the grid :y
(I should add, avoid that dealer like the plague though, as they are the most scummiest of scumbags)
Not for me TB! ::) ::) ::) :D
Used to travel up from Bristol, but now yes would travel up the M1. However no-mater what road names or numbers you could give me, I always have used landmarks and my instinct to find addresses. But in MK my instinct goes to pot as I have no distinct landmarks to follow!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there :'( :'( :'(
Never again I hope!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid ;D - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road) :o
Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.
All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!! ::) ::) ::) ::) Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!! :o :o :D :D :D ;)
The grid is fantastic, works really well, and impossible to get lost on. Presumably you come up M1, so join H8 (from Jnc13) or H6/H5/H3 (from Jnc 14)?
Take, for example, the Vx Dealer - its on V4 (Watling St), between H5 (Portway) and H4 (Dansteed Way), so if you join MK at Jnc 13 of M1, cruise along H8 (Standing Way) until you get to V4 (Watling St), and keep going up until you get to H5 (Portway), then you know you are virtually there. Or join at Jnc14, get on H5 (Portway), hang a right when you hit V4 (Watling St). Even if you go wrong, you always know where you are as you know where you are on the grid :y
(I should add, avoid that dealer like the plague though, as they are the most scummiest of scumbags)
Not for me TB! ::) ::) ::) :D
Used to travel up from Bristol, but now yes would travel up the M1. However no-mater what road names or numbers you could give me, I always have used landmarks and my instinct to find addresses. But in MK my instinct goes to pot as I have no distinct landmarks to follow!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
When I first worked there - early 1990s for BT - coming from a rural patch, I tried the landmark method in conjunction with a map. I'd look up customer's address, then see how to get there from one of my landmarks, eg Concrete Cows, Tesco etc. Soon learnt that knowing the grid was far more productive and easier.
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I should add, I was shocked at how kids today are unaware of road safety - I was on hols with my Bro and his kids, and they (the kids) do just walk out in the road without looking :o - they really have no idea, and these kids are old enough to know better, and academically pretty smart :o :o
They do know how to cross a road, it's just they're now arrogant enough that they step out into the road because they expect the car to stop for them.
The louts near my parent's house now know who won't stop for them!! ::) ::) ::)
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I should add, I was shocked at how kids today are unaware of road safety - I was on hols with my Bro and his kids, and they (the kids) do just walk out in the road without looking :o - they really have no idea, and these kids are old enough to know better, and academically pretty smart :o :o
They do know how to cross a road, it's just they're now arrogant enough that they step out into the road because they expect the car to stop for them.
The louts near my parent's house now know who won't stop for them!! ::) ::) ::)
.....yes, and I bet that if they are like some of the scrotum's around here, they give it large to any driver that doesn't! ::) ::) ::)
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I should add, I was shocked at how kids today are unaware of road safety - I was on hols with my Bro and his kids, and they (the kids) do just walk out in the road without looking :o - they really have no idea, and these kids are old enough to know better, and academically pretty smart :o :o
They do know how to cross a road, it's just they're now arrogant enough that they step out into the road because they expect the car to stop for them.
The louts near my parent's house now know who won't stop for them!! ::) ::) ::)
.....yes, and I bet that if they are like some of the scrotum's around here, they give it large to any driver that doesn't! ::) ::) ::)
meanwhile the do-gooders of this world dont seem to see a problem with the ferral kids that roam our streets, before you know it we`ll have to employ a man with a red flag in front of our cars rather than take a firm hand with these "little darlings" that think they run this country >:( >:(
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I should add, I was shocked at how kids today are unaware of road safety - I was on hols with my Bro and his kids, and they (the kids) do just walk out in the road without looking :o - they really have no idea, and these kids are old enough to know better, and academically pretty smart :o :o
They do know how to cross a road, it's just they're now arrogant enough that they step out into the road because they expect the car to stop for them.
The louts near my parent's house now know who won't stop for them!! ::) ::) ::)
In the case of the nieces and nephews I mentioned, I'm embarrassed to say its ignorance rather than arrogance.
I agree some are arrogant, MK again, they like to play chickens. Occasionally they get a shock ;)
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The schools in my area you would be lucky to get anywhere near 30mph when kids are being picked up or dropped off,the roads are littered with chelsea tractors which are normally blocking at least half the road,but having said that I dont have a problem with a 20mph outside schools during term time and school hours.These could be notified by signs flashing the limit to let drivers know that school is in operation and therefore the limit applies.
What will almost certainly happen though is that they will stick cameras all over the place and people driving past a school at 25mph in the middle of the summer holidays will get done. >:(
As for reducing the 30 limit to 20 overall,Imo it would be ludicrous,if your not capable of driving safely and stopping quickly or taking avoiding action if necassary at 30mph you shouldnt be driving.
As for motorways and other major roads,I dont think there should be any upper limit on them but I think we should have a seperate driving test that you have to pass after passing the normal test before being allowed to drive on them.This would include driving at high speed and demonstrating the ability to control the vehicle,drive in a safe manner,excercise lane discipline etc.
Then put as much freight as possible back on the railways,and happy days are here again. :) :)
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NSL on dual carriageways and motorways.
Armcove barrier. Designed to withstand 70mph impact.
NSL won't go higher, would have to replace all the barriers for a start. Then loads of other probs any way
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That piece of dual carriageway, part of the Oxford ring road, where that woman with about 10 kids in the car crashed and killed them all is now an utterly ridiculous 50mph...
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It is being widely reported today that the government are soon going to announce a 20 mph speed limit in urban areas and on roads near schools.
Also reductions in speed limits at accident blackspots.
Discuss?! ::)
You may need to pedal a little Ode Lad to help the "Boggar" out ;D ;D :P
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dyou make I larf. :P ::)