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just want to clear the air about what happened the other night. as most of you will know, me and ljay had a bit of a mis-understanding that turned a bit nasty. i must sholder most of the blame for what happened. what i said wasnt meant to cause offence but unfortunatley it did. i must admit that latley i have not been myself. due to personal reasons that i dont want to go into on an open forum. my problems are exactly that "my problems". i have sent ljay a pm and have recieved a reply. although we are not the best of friends we have agreed to bury the hatchet and move on.
now on to a more serious note. over the last few days i have recieved numerous e-mails and a fe woff-line msn messages telling me that i was out of order the other night and that people like me are not welcome on oof. so it is with much sadness and regret that i no longer class myself as a member off this great forum and am in the proccess of deleting my account.
on a personal note. to those that have told me i am no longer welcome. i only hope you dont carry on with this practice. if you do then you risk destroying a great forum. mi hope you feel happy now i have gone
to the rest of the decent members. you will be sorley missed. i have met some great people via this forum.
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Bloody hell, didnt see that coming Kris.
Good luck :y
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Do the powers that be have the ability to contant Kris to ask him to reconsider? I didn't see the latest altercation with ljay so can't comment, but if I cut ties with everyone I had a row with ....... it'd be a lonely place. ;D ;D ;D
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if kris and ljay have a dispute, what the break has it got to do with anyone else, apart from jimbob who is her husband of course. i personally think that is unacceptable if anyone has been e mailing kris and saying that he is not welcome on oof. so now hes has been forced to leave because of this.
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........ i personally think that is unacceptable if anyone has been e mailing kris and saying that he is not welcome on oof. so now hes has been forced to leave because of this.
Agreed! :y
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........ i personally think that is unacceptable if anyone has been e mailing kris and saying that he is not welcome on oof. so now hes has been forced to leave because of this.
Agreed! :y
I would imagine there are people that have not got the balls to post what they want to say in public so do so by other means.
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Kris come back it was all a storm in a tea cup - please eignore whichever arseholes have been messaging you :y
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It is sad to see Kris go, and I detest people that arent honest enough to post openly on the forum their views, instead resorting to the (IMHO) underhand tactic of sending derogatory or threatening PMs.
I have not sent a PM at all to Kris, so cross me off the list, and I wish him the best for the future.
For those of who that DID pm Kris threatening or criticising, WELL DONE.....you have got what you want........ >:(
To the good OOFers (Goofers?) I salute you and this forum.
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In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
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I hope that you will reconsider your decision kris when the dust has settled and when the person or persons who have sent you pms telling you your not welcome have been delt with our admins or by the big guy above. Take great care and best wishes to you and yours. Gary.
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In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
Would never have thought anyone would have considered you unwelcome James.
Glad to see you back on the OOF
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Reconsider Kris..
Even if you do not post for a while never give in, does not matter what might have been said in haste.. If people hold grudges then so be it, do not give them what they want, chill out and stay a member even if it annoys those who sent messages..
Life is too short to hold a grudge that long.. :y
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In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
Really :-? i don't know what happened the other night, and I don't want to know but I did not realise there was another side to oof :(
Though I have not done it, I might be tempted to contact a member by other means to express an opinion, if for example I thought tey were out of order, but in no way is it my place to say who or who should not be a member, or even that they are unwelcome.
By the very nature of people we are all different, but we need to recognise that and accept it. Life is too short to be falling out big time. :y
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In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
Would never have thought anyone would have considered you unwelcome James.
Glad to see you back on the OOF
Thanks mate.
It really is water under the bridge... but anyone who thinks me going away was a toys and pram issue is very wrong - very wrong indeed. :-X :(
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In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
Really :-? i don't know what happened the other night, and I don't want to know but I did not realise there was another side to oof :(
Though I have not done it, I might be tempted to contact a member by other means to express an opinion, if for example I thought tey were out of order, but in no way is it my place to say who or who should not be a member, or even that they are unwelcome.
By the very nature of people we are all different, but we need to recognise that and accept it. Life is too short to be falling out big time. :y
I am talking more the other month, than the other night.
It wasn't a case of falling out, it was just a case of an entirely nasty email, simelar to what Kris has described
Only difference being, the email I recieved was more related to my personal circumstances, rather than forum posts.
Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
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its too bad that it resorted to a lad gettin pushed out. its like my dad says,where ever your goin,dont pack an arsehole,you'l always meet one on the way. all the best kris :y
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
I will tread carefully - as I may be misunderstanding your post
Are you using me as an example of someone who fuels the fire?
If so (and I repeat, IF ;) ) You want to see the email I recieved early in March.. certainly not banter! ::)
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Cheap handbags for sale please PM me for details.. ;)
Lets not start again shall we or TB will be on his 24th nervous breakdown..(And thats without mentioning caravans ).. ;D
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We are not starting anything mate - all very civil and pleasant :y
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By the way, forget handbags - wanna by a caravan? :P
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
I will tread carefully - as I may be misunderstanding your post
Are you using me as an example of someone who fuels the fire?
If so (and I repeat, IF ;) ) You want to see the email I recieved early in March.. certainly not banter! ::)
No way James. Its the members that hide and PM in the back ground that I ment were fueling the situation. If they cant say what they mean in public on a public forum, then dont say it, which I feel may have been the reason for people getting fired up in the first place.
Sorry if I am confusing amyone, it is late. :-/
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We are not starting anything mate - all very civil and pleasant :y
I remember reading about the Civil war years ago.. ;)
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
I will tread carefully - as I may be misunderstanding your post
Are you using me as an example of someone who fuels the fire?
If so (and I repeat, IF ;) ) You want to see the email I recieved early in March.. certainly not banter! ::)
No way James. Its the members that hide and PM in the back ground that I ment were fueling the situation. If they cant say what they mean in public on a public forum, then dont say it, which I feel may have been the reason for people getting fired up in the first place.
Sorry if I am confusing amyone, it is late. :-/
Skruntie - understood mate - thanks for the clarity.
I agree with your sentiments.
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We are not starting anything mate - all very civil and pleasant :y
I remember reading about the Civil war years ago.. ;)
CIVIL isn't hat something about current leading in capacitive and lagging in inductive somethings ........ ????? :-? :-? :-/ :-/ It's been a long time since I've needed or wanted to know :-/. ;D ;D ;D
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
I will tread carefully - as I may be misunderstanding your post
Are you using me as an example of someone who fuels the fire?
If so (and I repeat, IF ;) ) You want to see the email I recieved early in March.. certainly not banter! ::)
No way James. Its the members that hide and PM in the back ground that I ment were fueling the situation. If they cant say what they mean in public on a public forum, then dont say it, which I feel may have been the reason for people getting fired up in the first place.
Sorry if I am confusing amyone, it is late. :-/
Skruntie - understood mate - thanks for the clarity.
I agree with your sentiments.
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It's all gone right over my head ...... :-? :y :y :y
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
I will tread carefully - as I may be misunderstanding your post
Are you using me as an example of someone who fuels the fire?
If so (and I repeat, IF ;) ) You want to see the email I recieved early in March.. certainly not banter! ::)
James, I am sure he is not having a go and I don't think he or I feel that you are a person who adds fuel to a fire. :y
Banter is exactly that, Banter, the sort of conversation a group of friends may have sitting in the pub in the evening, no offence meant. yous only have to look at some of the stick I get, and give :y If we were to loose that then the forum would be a sad place.
This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee :D :D :D
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We are not starting anything mate - all very civil and pleasant :y
I remember reading about the Civil war years ago.. ;)
CIVIL isn't hat something about current leading in capacitive and lagging in inductive somethings ........ ????? :-? :-? :-/ :-/ It's been a long time since I've needed or wanted to know :-/. ;D ;D ;D
Andy B..
Heres a few T's for you ..use them when you want..
ttttttttttttttttttttttt..
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) :y
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Unfortunately there are some issues. I just hope in light of recent changes, things will cease to occur...
Sad that most of us just meet here most night for loads of tounge in cheek banter with no idea what has been happening in the back ground in some cases.
Those of you with the selfish attitude of not being able to cope with odd little spats that occasionally get out of hand are proberly the cuase of the latter. You are just adding fuel to the fire. WHY?
I will tread carefully - as I may be misunderstanding your post
Are you using me as an example of someone who fuels the fire?
If so (and I repeat, IF ;) ) You want to see the email I recieved early in March.. certainly not banter! ::)
James, I am sure he is not having a go and I don't think he or I feel that you are a person who adds fuel to a fire. :y
Banter is exactly that, Banter, the sort of conversation a group of friends may have sitting in the pub in the evening, no offence meant. yous only have to look at some of the stick I get, and give :y If we were to loose that then the forum would be a sad place.
This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee :D :D :D
yep, looks like we are coming from the same wavelength. Again, cheers for clarification :y
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Banter is the key to this forum..
On most occasions its taken well..thats what i like about the OOf.. :y
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This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee
He's a completely different story though. ::) ::) :y
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Banter is the key to this forum..
On most occasions its taken well..thats what i like about the OOf.. :y
and th other one is a good Pi$$take. Especially if sheep are mentioned. ::) :y :y
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This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee
He's a completely different story though. ::) ::) :y
oh yes..... ;D ;D ;D
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Andy B..
Heres a few T's for you ..use them when you want..
ttttttttttttttttttttttt..
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) :y
hanks! :y
I'm blaming Miss Andy B's lap top ....
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This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee
He's a completely different story though. ::) ::) :y
oh yes..... ;D ;D ;D
Did you see him on Brittains got Talent tonight with his light Sabre. Even pretended his name was Philip and was birmingham to throw us off the scent. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Banter is the key to this forum..
On most occasions its taken well..thats what i like about the OOf.. :y
and th other one is a good Pi$$take. Especially if sheep are mentioned. ::) :y :y
Now that is taking the pi$$... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Wheres my wellies.. :D ;D :y
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This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee
He's a completely different story though. ::) ::) :y
oh yes..... ;D ;D ;D
Did you see him on Brittains got Talent tonight with his light Sabre. Even pretended his name was Philip and was birmingham to throw us off the scent. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have to admit that it was on in the same room as I was .... :-[ but I did get a glimpse of Loo Darth Knee & his light sabre! ;) ;) ;)
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PSML...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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He bombed completely with the sabre but pulled it back dancing like MJ ;D ;D ;D
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This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee
He's a completely different story though. ::) ::) :y
oh yes..... ;D ;D ;D
Did you see him on Brittains got Talent tonight with his light Sabre. Even pretended his name was Philip and was birmingham to throw us off the scent. ;D ;D ;D ;D
But Stoke is near Birmingham, thought he would have come up with something more original, like Co Durham, where is latest membership name is registered ;D ;D ;D
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H heis bypopular demand.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTs_-7pJ-pE[/media]
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H heis bypopular demand.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTs_-7pJ-pE[/media]
and this was a grown man of 37!!!!!!!!! :-? :y
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This is my own personal opinion and not aimed at anyone, perhaps with the exception of Loo-Knee
He's a completely different story though. ::) ::) :y
oh yes..... ;D ;D ;D
Did you see him on Brittains got Talent tonight with his light Sabre. Even pretended his name was Philip and was birmingham to throw us off the scent. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have to admit that it was on in the same room as I was .... :-[ but I did get a glimpse of Loo Darth Knee & his light sabre! ;) ;) ;)
Have I missed something, were you auditioning?? :-/
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I have to admit that it was on in the same room as I was .... :-[ but I did get a glimpse of Loo Darth Knee & his light sabre! ;) ;) ;)
Have I missed something, were you auditioning?? :-/
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It was on OUR NEW opps OFF SIZE TELLY in the same room as I was in ...... ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I have to admit that it was on in the same room as I was .... :-[ but I did get a glimpse of Loo Darth Knee & his light sabre! ;) ;) ;)
Have I missed something, were you auditioning?? :-/
It was on OUR NEW opps OFF SIZE TELLY in the same room as I was in ...... ;) ;) ;) ;)[/quote]
And there was I thinking you were going to entertain us at the York meet. :(
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I have to admit that it was on in the same room as I was .... :-[ but I did get a glimpse of Loo Darth Knee & his light sabre! ;) ;) ;)
Have I missed something, were you auditioning?? :-/
It was on OUR NEW opps OFF SIZE TELLY in the same room as I was in ...... ;) ;) ;) ;)
And there was I thinking you were going to entertain us at the York meet. :(
[/quote]
;D ;D ;D ;D
Isn't that Daz's party piece? ::) :y
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I have to admit that it was on in the same room as I was .... :-[ but I did get a glimpse of Loo Darth Knee & his light sabre! ;) ;) ;)
Have I missed something, were you auditioning?? :-/
It was on OUR NEW opps OFF SIZE TELLY in the same room as I was in ...... ;) ;) ;) ;)
And there was I thinking you were going to entertain us at the York meet. :(
;D ;D ;D ;D
Isn't that Daz's party piece? ::) :y[/quote]
I think he will be on form....... :y
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I think he will be on form....... :y
It seems he normally is. ;) ;) ;) :y
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I think he will be on form....... :y
It seems he normally is. ;) ;) ;) :y
Well what would the form be without some and banter, above all the technical help, will be sad if we lose that...... :y
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Well what would the form be without some and banter, above all the technical help, will be sad if we lose that...... :y
It would.
Maybe the forum should adopt the phrase of .....
If you can't stand a joke you shouldn't have joined up ;) ;) ;)
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Well what would the form be without some and banter, above all the technical help, will be sad if we lose that...... :y
It would.
Maybe the forum should adopt the phrase of .....
If you can't stand a joke you shouldn't have joined up ;) ;) ;)
Whilst I would agree, newies may not understand :)
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If you have had the balls to PM and sort it out with Ljay I take my hat off to ya.
Ljay is a Great Woman :y :-*
There is perhaps a couple of others too that could do with a similar responce me thinks but, water under the bridge.
I thought some posts were rather amusing actually ;D
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sorry that you've gone Kriss, No doubt I'll see around Walkden or give us a knock the next time you pass mine,i make a good brew ,so I'm told
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Kris please reconsider!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yes there was that 'ding-dong' that was most unfortunate, but believe me many of us have had them on this site as for some unexplainable reason a simple word in the wrong place, or as Loo-Knee correctly stated at the time, a miss-placed or missing 'smiley', can cause things to escalate out of all proportion. ::) ::) ::)
You have recognised and confessed to your problems that night, and I for one can only greatly admire you for doing so! Believe me, I know what it is like to be in a lonely 'black hole' thinking everyone is having a dig!! :'( :'(
As for the insulting and abusive e-mails; well that is an absolute disgrace and those responsible should be highly ashamed >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(.
Two wrongs do not make a right! Instead of leaving us Kris, let the admins know of the content and senders of that communication so they can implement justice. The admins are a brilliant bunch of guys who I know can be Solomon like in their judgement for the good of all. Failing that reporting the e-mails to the police could be an option.
So Kris, please, please reconsider and come back to the fold!! You will miss this great site if you remain 'away'!! :-* :-* :y
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Firstly, i am sorry to see Kris go. Secondly, it's good to have James back :y Thirdly ignore the arse holes that contacted you Kris. They aint worth a toss.
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Have the people who sent the abusive PM's got the gut's to admit who they were on this thread?
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Some how AA i don't think they have. Some folk are very good at hiding behind something instead of face to face.
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There's an old proverb :-
A wise old owl sat in an oak
The more he saw the less he spoke
The less he spoke, the more he heard
I wish more folk were like that bird!
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I sent a PM to both Kris and LJay. This is what it said:
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Thanks :'([/quote]
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I dont see how that was abusive or making him feel unwelcome. All I was doing was showing my displeasure at having Gen Chat closed due to something I had nothing to do with.
I that offended then I am sorry, but I cant see that being abusive...... :-/
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Lifes too short folks.....
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Banter is the key to this forum..
On most occasions its taken well..thats what i like about the OOf.. :y
and th other one is a good Pi$$take. Especially if sheep are mentioned. ::) :y :y
did someone mention sheep :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lifes too short folks.....
Exactly ! Kris, if you are reading this, come on back, James, welcome back, you were missed ( as Kris will be) ...... and for everyone else :-*. The sun is shining -- it's a lovely day .... enjoy :y
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Lifes too short folks.....
Exactly ! Kris, if you are reading this, come on back, James, welcome back, you were missed ( as Kris will be) ...... and for everyone else :-*. The sun is shining -- it's a lovely day .... enjoy :y
Not here it isn't!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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Lifes too short folks.....
Exactly ! Kris, if you are reading this, come on back, James, welcome back, you were missed ( as Kris will be) ...... and for everyone else :-*. The sun is shining -- it's a lovely day .... enjoy :y
Not here it isn't!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
You should be in sunny somerset, Lizzie -- bit fresh -- but a lovely day so far
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Lifes too short folks.....
Exactly ! Kris, if you are reading this, come on back, James, welcome back, you were missed ( as Kris will be) ...... and for everyone else :-*. The sun is shining -- it's a lovely day .... enjoy :y
Not here it isn't!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
You should be in sunny somerset, Lizzie -- bit fresh -- but a lovely day so far
How lovely HC!! In the old days, when I lived at Thornbury, my family would have taken a run out to Weston, Clevedon, or even further out to Wells on days like that:-* :-* :-*. Sidmouth, Devon of course, was our next favourite destination and Bournemouth, Dorset for the beach with the kids. Oh, very happy days!! 8-) 8-) 8-) :'( :'(
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Must agree with lizzie ,its not so sunny kent, more like get your thermals on kent :( :( :( The forecasters have got it wrong again ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The weather here in Bury is beautiful! :y :y
I must get off this bl00dy PC & get outside! ;D ;D ;D
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over the last few days i have recieved numerous e-mails and a few off-line msn messages telling me that i was out of order the other night and that people like me are not welcome on oof.
In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
I think this needs investigating further by the Admins!! people who send emails and MSN messages of this nature should be the ones leaving!!! This is not the behaviour of a friendly community! >:( >:( >:(
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In some ways the bad times pull the forum together.
As regards kris and Ljay.Kiss and make up and both come back.
The last thing that I want is a boring ,dreary,Stepford Wife type of forum.
As Lizzie says ,we have all had conflict with other forum members in the past.
Both myself and Lizzie have had handbag fights with Ljay in the past.
But the past is the past.So Ljay and Kris come back and then we move on.
Until the next bust up,of course. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Not being a very prominent memeber of the forum, I know none of this is my business, but I just hope everything gets sorted out.
I love this forum and even though I don't even drive yet, it still appeals to me and I don't want it to go downhill as it's a great place to be and I don't even feel out of place by not driving or not owning a Mig.
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Not being a very prominent memeber of the forum, I know none of this is my business, but I just hope everything gets sorted out.
I love this forum and even though I don't even drive yet, it still appeals to me and I don't want it to go downhill as it's a great place to be and I don't even feel out of place by not driving or not owning a Mig.
It is very much your business as it involves all members and our, not one persons, beloved OOF site! :y :y :y :y
You and all members should be highly valued and considered equal no matter what their colour, creed, general political / sexual persuasion, or if you come from Mars for that matter! You have every right to make comment and become invovled as much or as little as you wish ;) ;)
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Not being a very prominent memeber of the forum, I know none of this is my business, but I just hope everything gets sorted out.
I love this forum and even though I don't even drive yet, it still appeals to me and I don't want it to go downhill as it's a great place to be and I don't even feel out of place by not driving or not owning a Mig.
It is very much your business as it involves all members and our, not one persons, beloved OOF site! :y :y :y :y
You and all members should be highly valued and considered equal no matter what their colour, creed, general political / sexual persuasion, or if you come from Mars for that matter! You have every right to make comment and become invovled as much or as little as you wish ;) ;)
Thank you :) That makes me feel more comfortable here again, even though I was! This is why I love this place! :y
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I sent a PM to both Kris and LJay. This is what it said:
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Thanks :'(
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I dont see how that was abusive or making him feel unwelcome. All I was doing was showing my displeasure at having Gen Chat closed due to something I had nothing to do with.
I that offended then I am sorry, but I cant see that being abusive...... :-/[/quote]
Gaffers, Kris obviously didn't know at the time that you'd PM'd the same message to LJay and was a bit put out by it :y, but i think there were far more sinister messages being sent especially outside OOF on msn, which frankly is out of order >:(
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Not being a very prominent memeber of the forum, I know none of this is my business, but I just hope everything gets sorted out.
I love this forum and even though I don't even drive yet, it still appeals to me and I don't want it to go downhill as it's a great place to be and I don't even feel out of place by not driving or not owning a Mig.
It is very much your business as it involves all members and our, not one persons, beloved OOF site! :y :y :y :y
You and all members should be highly valued and considered equal no matter what their colour, creed, general political / sexual persuasion, or if you come from Mars for that matter! You have every right to make comment and become invovled as much or as little as you wish ;) ;)
Now, that would be interesting :D
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over the last few days i have recieved numerous e-mails and a few off-line msn messages telling me that i was out of order the other night and that people like me are not welcome on oof.
In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
I think this needs investigating further by the Admins!! people who send emails and MSN messages of this nature should be the ones leaving!!! This is not the behaviour of a friendly community! >:( >:( >:(
We have no control, or ability to investigate the content of, communication systems outside of OOF.
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over the last few days i have recieved numerous e-mails and a few off-line msn messages telling me that i was out of order the other night and that people like me are not welcome on oof.
In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
I think this needs investigating further by the Admins!! people who send emails and MSN messages of this nature should be the ones leaving!!! This is not the behaviour of a friendly community! >:( >:( >:(
We have no control, or ability to investigate the content of, communication systems outside of OOF.
Sorry TB wasn't very clear, I was in mini-rant mode :-[ I meant if any of it was via the OOF system, I know you have no control (well I think you don't) of what happens externally :y
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over the last few days i have recieved numerous e-mails and a few off-line msn messages telling me that i was out of order the other night and that people like me are not welcome on oof.
In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
I think this needs investigating further by the Admins!! people who send emails and MSN messages of this nature should be the ones leaving!!! This is not the behaviour of a friendly community! >:( >:( >:(
We have no control, or ability to investigate the content of, communication systems outside of OOF.
Sorry TB wasn't very clear, I was in mini-rant mode :-[ I meant if any of it was via the OOF system, I know you have no control (well I think you don't) of what happens externally :y
Then we get in trouble for threatening to read PMs... ::)
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Kris , everybody sometimes have bad and unlucky moments..if those moments collide with each other "as happened" some things may occur..
This forum either this way or that way is a part of our lives..We share and learn too many..
So dont be too emotional and dont leave the forum..Forget about what happened :y
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Then we get in trouble for threatening to read PMs... ::)
Ah what they don't know...... I didn't say that really ;D ;D
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Gaffers, Kris obviously didn't know at the time that you'd PM'd the same message to LJay and was a bit put out by it :y, but i think there were far more sinister messages being sent especially outside OOF on msn, which frankly is out of order >:(
OOF doesn't let you send PMs to more than one at a time so I sent to both separately hence why he didn't know.
The message wasn't intended to push him away but just to make them both realise how silly they both were. The admins dont deserve it and neither do we.
If he took my small comment bad then I take it back. He is more than welcome here in my book. If people have been abusive to him in or out of OOF then they have shown themselves to be ... well worse than any character trait shown on here....
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Gaffers, Kris obviously didn't know at the time that you'd PM'd the same message to LJay and was a bit put out by it :y, but i think there were far more sinister messages being sent especially outside OOF on msn, which frankly is out of order >:(
OOF doesn't let you send PMs to more than one at a time so I sent to both separately hence why he didn't know.
The message wasn't intended to push him away but just to make them both realise how silly they both were. The admins dont deserve it and neither do we.
If he took my small comment bad then I take it back. He is more than welcome here in my book. If people have been abusive to him in or out of OOF then they have shown themselves to be ... well worse than any character trait shown on here....
Yes it does. You can send CC and BCC
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I certainly dont think that your PM is the problem though Gaffers and it sounds like he had a few PM's and MSN's from various members before he walked. :-/
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over the last few days i have recieved numerous e-mails and a few off-line msn messages telling me that i was out of order the other night and that people like me are not welcome on oof.
In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
I think this needs investigating further by the Admins!! people who send emails and MSN messages of this nature should be the ones leaving!!! This is not the behaviour of a friendly community! >:( >:( >:(
We have no control, or ability to investigate the content of, communication systems outside of OOF.
Sorry TB wasn't very clear, I was in mini-rant mode :-[ I meant if any of it was via the OOF system, I know you have no control (well I think you don't) of what happens externally :y
Then we get in trouble for threatening to read PMs... ::)
Well as you know TB.........from my post on this matter................I'am more than happy that anyone in the Admin team can read my PM's ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)......but best not open that can of worms again, ;) :y
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i think the people that have been sending the messages via msn or whatever they used to push people away saying that there not welcome is wrong
what right do they have in saying someone is not welcome
if admin feel a certain person/person's are not welcome they have the powers to tell them and remove them from the site
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Gaffers, Kris obviously didn't know at the time that you'd PM'd the same message to LJay and was a bit put out by it :y, but i think there were far more sinister messages being sent especially outside OOF on msn, which frankly is out of order >:(
OOF doesn't let you send PMs to more than one at a time so I sent to both separately hence why he didn't know.
The message wasn't intended to push him away but just to make them both realise how silly they both were. The admins dont deserve it and neither do we.
If he took my small comment bad then I take it back. He is more than welcome here in my book. If people have been abusive to him in or out of OOF then they have shown themselves to be ... well worse than any character trait shown on here....
Yes it does. You can send CC and BCC
Ah! I was trying to put both names in the TO: box.... d'oh! ;D ;D ;D
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i think the people that have been sending the messages via msn or whatever they used to push people away saying that there not welcome is wrong
what right do they have in saying someone is not welcome
if admin feel a certain person/person's are not welcome they have the powers to tell them and remove them from the site
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Kris, if you're reading this come back to OOF! The fab folks far out weigh the bad!
I'm really gutted that people would be so low as to hound someone out in private. Whatever has occured this form of bullying is totally unacceptable. If you have something to say then at least have the balls and decency to say it in public.
Kris and I have spoken in private and agreed to move on, no grudges held. I really dont see what it has to do with anyone else. I for one had a heated discussion with admin over it and if any action is to be taken then surely its up to them not some gutless wonder.
Yes, we both recieved a pm from Gaffers entitled 'full moon?' but I'm sure he will think twice before using that comment to a woman again, at least he admits to sending it.
Kris, please come back and at risk of causing trouble, please name and shame. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Thats all I signed in to say, whilst not deleting my account I no longer feel I have a place on OOF.
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In recent personal experience, it would transpire I am not the only member in recent weeks, to receive emails (outside of the PM system) with messages about being "unwelcome"...
What!!!!!! >:(
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I certainly dont think that your PM is the problem though Gaffers and it sounds like he had a few PM's and MSN's from various members before he walked. :-/
totaly agree (which is why i put the :y after my comment ;))
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Kris, if you're reading this come back to OOF! The fab folks far out weigh the bad!
I'm really gutted that people would be so low as to hound someone out in private. Whatever has occured this form of bullying is totally unacceptable. If you have something to say then at least have the balls and decency to say it in public.
Kris and I have spoken in private and agreed to move on, no grudges held. I really dont see what it has to do with anyone else. I for one had a heated discussion with admin over it and if any action is to be taken then surely its up to them not some gutless wonder.
Yes, we both recieved a pm from Gaffers entitled 'full moon?' but I'm sure he will think twice before using that comment to a woman again, at least he admits to sending it.
Kris, please come back and at risk of causing trouble, please name and shame. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Thats all I signed in to say, whilst not deleting my account I no longer feel I have a place on OOF.
In my humble opinion Ljay I think you do and you should not curtail your input just because of how the Forum had become prior to the General Chat closure.
Since then the OOF, I believe has come back to where it was a few months ago where you can post a genuine opinion and not feel you are walking on eggs waiting for the first personal insult just because somebody disagrees with your views and who you are ::) ::).
Stay with it Ljay please, and let's have soon good debates again as the adults we all are. I for one would sorely miss you! :( :(
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Kris, if you're reading this come back to OOF! The fab folks far out weigh the bad!
I'm really gutted that people would be so low as to hound someone out in private. Whatever has occured this form of bullying is totally unacceptable. If you have something to say then at least have the balls and decency to say it in public.
Kris and I have spoken in private and agreed to move on, no grudges held. I really dont see what it has to do with anyone else. I for one had a heated discussion with admin over it and if any action is to be taken then surely its up to them not some gutless wonder.
Yes, we both recieved a pm from Gaffers entitled 'full moon?' but I'm sure he will think twice before using that comment to a woman again, at least he admits to sending it.
Kris, please come back and at risk of causing trouble, please name and shame. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Thats all I signed in to say, whilst not deleting my account I no longer feel I have a place on OOF.
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Kris, if you're reading this come back to OOF! The fab folks far out weigh the bad!
I'm really gutted that people would be so low as to hound someone out in private. Whatever has occured this form of bullying is totally unacceptable. If you have something to say then at least have the balls and decency to say it in public.
Kris and I have spoken in private and agreed to move on, no grudges held. I really dont see what it has to do with anyone else. I for one had a heated discussion with admin over it and if any action is to be taken then surely its up to them not some gutless wonder.
Yes, we both recieved a pm from Gaffers entitled 'full moon?' but I'm sure he will think twice before using that comment to a woman again, at least he admits to sending it.
Kris, please come back and at risk of causing trouble, please name and shame. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Thats all I signed in to say, whilst not deleting my account I no longer feel I have a place on OOF.
In my humble opinion Ljay I think you do and you should not curtail your input just because of how the Forum had become prior to the General Chat closure.
Since then the OOF, I believe has come back to where it was a few months ago where you can post a genuine opinion and not feel you are walking on eggs waiting for the first personal insult just because somebody disagrees with your views and who you are ::) ::).
Stay with it Ljay please, and let's have soon good debates again as the adults we all are. I for one would sorely miss you! :( :(
hear hear :y
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Kris, if you're reading this come back to OOF! The fab folks far out weigh the bad!
I'm really gutted that people would be so low as to hound someone out in private. Whatever has occured this form of bullying is totally unacceptable. If you have something to say then at least have the balls and decency to say it in public.
Kris and I have spoken in private and agreed to move on, no grudges held. I really dont see what it has to do with anyone else. I for one had a heated discussion with admin over it and if any action is to be taken then surely its up to them not some gutless wonder.
Yes, we both recieved a pm from Gaffers entitled 'full moon?' but I'm sure he will think twice before using that comment to a woman again, at least he admits to sending it.
Kris, please come back and at risk of causing trouble, please name and shame. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Thats all I signed in to say, whilst not deleting my account I no longer feel I have a place on OOF.
Don't be daft you entertain me Ljay ;D
Oh plus I won't miss ya :-X ::) :D
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People send me nasty emails as well. They always pick on the innocent ones..
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Perhaps the answer is for members not to use expletives in their postings but to conduct exchanges in in a civilised manner & excluding the use of certain 'anglo-saxon' expressions/ words, deliberate misspelling of them or substituting alternative characters for letters contained therein?
That in itself would lessen the risk of exceptions being taken to opinions given.
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Perhaps the answer is for members not to use expletives in their postings but to conduct exchanges in in a civilised manner & excluding the use of certain 'anglo-saxon' expressions/ words, deliberate misspelling of them or substituting alternative characters for letters contained therein?
That in itself would lessen the risk of exceptions being taken to opinions given.
Well B*gg*r Oi -- you could be right ;D
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Perhaps the answer is for members not to use expletives in their postings but to conduct exchanges in in a civilised manner & excluding the use of certain 'anglo-saxon' expressions/ words, deliberate misspelling of them or substituting alternative characters for letters contained therein?
That in itself would lessen the risk of exceptions being taken to opinions given.
'dangle berries'.
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Perhaps the answer is for members not to use expletives in their postings but to conduct exchanges in in a civilised manner & excluding the use of certain 'anglo-saxon' expressions/ words, deliberate misspelling of them or substituting alternative characters for letters contained therein?
That in itself would lessen the risk of exceptions being taken to opinions given.
'dangle berries'.
I rest my case :(
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Perhaps the answer is for members not to use expletives in their postings but to conduct exchanges in in a civilised manner & excluding the use of certain 'anglo-saxon' expressions/ words, deliberate misspelling of them or substituting alternative characters for letters contained therein?
That in itself would lessen the risk of exceptions being taken to opinions given.
'dangle berries'.
I rest my case :(
Arse
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Totally out of order to Kris as e-mail's did not need to be sent, an arguement with ljay and Kris is BETWEEN ljay and Kris not anyone else!!
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Civility costs nothing
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People send me nasty emails as well. They always pick on the innocent ones..
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Now I dont know what has happened, nor do I want to know.
From what I have read the two parties involved have had differing opinions, returned said opinions and backed them up, then reconciled these differences in a mature and adult fashion.
This shoud be the matter closed as it concerns no one else but the two involved.
What kind of forum is this where one feels to have to leave a place where they can feel accepted and welcomed, make a fair few friends, have some banter, and generally have a shared interest with people globally, overrun by approachable, trustworthy and mature people?
No-one should have to feel bullied or pressured in the oof.
OK
Opinion said.
:y
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As most of you know i've had the odd "colouful moment" on here so am used to being in the thick of it at times. As already said this matter is between the two parties concerned, i played no part publicly or otherwise, in fact i missed it completely!!!
However what get's my goat is those who've emailed Kris with thier pointless & unwelcome comments. Most respectable folk face thier issues head on, not hide behind an email. I hope next time i meet up with other Oofers & shake hands you are not among them as i don't wish to be associated with the likes of you. Your cowardly actions are beyond reproach & you should be ashamed of yourselves. We all make mistakes, myself included, but i hold my hands up.
I wonder, or doubt any of you have the balls to admit to sending these emails,... but being the spineless sh*ts you are i won't hold my breath. I hope none of you are attending York or Newent. Guy. :(
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Don't beat about the bush Biglad ;D
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As most of you know i've had the odd "colouful moment" on here so am used to being in the thick of it at times. As already said this matter is between the two parties concerned, i played no part publicly or otherwise, in fact i missed it completely!!!
However what get's my goat is those who've emailed Kris with thier pointless & unwelcome comments. Most respectable folk face thier issues head on, not hide behind an email. I hope next time i meet up with other Oofers & shake hands you are not among them as i don't wish to be associated with the likes of you. Your cowardly actions are beyond reproach & you should be ashamed of yourselves. We all make mistakes, myself included, but i hold my hands up.
I wonder, or doubt any of you have the balls to admit to sending these emails,... but being the spineless sh*ts you are i won't hold my breath. I hope none of you are attending York or Newent. Guy. :(
Troublemaker. ;D ;D :y
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Don't beat about the bush Biglad ;D
Exactly. But next time you see everyone at a meet you'll be wondering.......
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As most of you know i've had the odd "colouful moment" on here so am used to being in the thick of it at times. As already said this matter is between the two parties concerned, i played no part publicly or otherwise, in fact i missed it completely!!!
However what get's my goat is those who've emailed Kris with thier pointless & unwelcome comments. Most respectable folk face thier issues head on, not hide behind an email. I hope next time i meet up with other Oofers & shake hands you are not among them as i don't wish to be associated with the likes of you. Your cowardly actions are beyond reproach & you should be ashamed of yourselves. We all make mistakes, myself included, but i hold my hands up.
I wonder, or doubt any of you have the balls to admit to sending these emails,... but being the spineless sh*ts you are i won't hold my breath. I hope none of you are attending York or Newent. Guy. :(
totally agree
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Don't beat about the bush Biglad ;D
Exactly. But next time you see everyone at a meet you'll be wondering.......
Oh no I won't :P
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i never get any pms, nice or nasty :(
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PM sent
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ive just had a couple, is should get the admins to look into it as it wasnt nice ;D ;D ;D
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ive just had a couple, is should get the admins to look into it as it wasnt nice ;D ;D ;D
There just aint no pleasing some folk ::)
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I missed the whole shebang, but piecing together various threads, and some of the comments in this one particularly, once again lead me to simple thoughts ......
One man's (woman's) banter is anothers insult.
An outsider reading the last 1/2 dozen posts in this thread would probably form a totally different mental picture than the one I have .. simply through lack of knowledge of the "participants". This could then lead to all sorts of problems if that outsider joined in, in an attempt to "pacify" what they saw as an escalating problem - that doesn't actually exist.
Trouble is .. the writer knows EXACTLY what they want to say and why ..... the reader hasn't got a clue and tries to interpret the written word .. and the 2 results are often many miles apart !!
Every single member of this forum, past, present and future, has something to offer at some stage. The forum is the loser whan people leave in this way.
Politeness, civility, understanding and tolerance. Are these concepts really that difficult ???
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As most of you know i've had the odd "colouful moment" on here so am used to being in the thick of it at times. As already said this matter is between the two parties concerned, i played no part publicly or otherwise, in fact i missed it completely!!!
However what get's my goat is those who've emailed Kris with thier pointless & unwelcome comments. Most respectable folk face thier issues head on, not hide behind an email. I hope next time i meet up with other Oofers & shake hands you are not among them as i don't wish to be associated with the likes of you. Your cowardly actions are beyond reproach & you should be ashamed of yourselves. We all make mistakes, myself included, but i hold my hands up.
I wonder, or doubt any of you have the balls to admit to sending these emails,... but being the spineless sh*ts you are i won't hold my breath. I hope none of you are attending York or Newent. Guy. :(
:-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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I missed the whole shebang, but piecing together various threads, and some of the comments in this one particularly, once again lead me to simple thoughts ......
One man's (woman's) banter is anothers insult.
An outsider reading the last 1/2 dozen posts in this thread would probably form a totally different mental picture than the one I have .. simply through lack of knowledge of the "participants". This could then lead to all sorts of problems if that outsider joined in, in an attempt to "pacify" what they saw as an escalating problem - that doesn't actually exist.
Trouble is .. the writer knows EXACTLY what they want to say and why ..... the reader hasn't got a clue and tries to interpret the written word .. and the 2 results are often many miles apart !!
Every single member of this forum, past, present and future, has something to offer at some stage. The forum is the loser whan people leave in this way.
Politeness, civility, understanding and tolerance. Are these concepts really that difficult ???
I just posted similar in another thread Entwood, couldnt agree more :y
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I missed the whole shebang, but piecing together various threads, and some of the comments in this one particularly, once again lead me to simple thoughts ......
One man's (woman's) banter is anothers insult.
An outsider reading the last 1/2 dozen posts in this thread would probably form a totally different mental picture than the one I have .. simply through lack of knowledge of the "participants". This could then lead to all sorts of problems if that outsider joined in, in an attempt to "pacify" what they saw as an escalating problem - that doesn't actually exist.
Trouble is .. the writer knows EXACTLY what they want to say and why ..... the reader hasn't got a clue and tries to interpret the written word .. and the 2 results are often many miles apart !!
Every single member of this forum, past, present and future, has something to offer at some stage. The forum is the loser whan people leave in this way.
Politeness, civility, understanding and tolerance. Are these concepts really that difficult ???
Just wondering what you & I offer then ;D :D :P
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I missed the whole shebang, but piecing together various threads, and some of the comments in this one particularly, once again lead me to simple thoughts ......
One man's (woman's) banter is anothers insult.
An outsider reading the last 1/2 dozen posts in this thread would probably form a totally different mental picture than the one I have .. simply through lack of knowledge of the "participants". This could then lead to all sorts of problems if that outsider joined in, in an attempt to "pacify" what they saw as an escalating problem - that doesn't actually exist.
Trouble is .. the writer knows EXACTLY what they want to say and why ..... the reader hasn't got a clue and tries to interpret the written word .. and the 2 results are often many miles apart !!
Every single member of this forum, past, present and future, has something to offer at some stage. The forum is the loser whan people leave in this way.
Politeness, civility, understanding and tolerance. Are these concepts really that difficult ???
Just wondering what you & I offer then ;D :D :P
I'll let you know Thursday !! :)
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Done deal :D
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As most of you know i've had the odd "colouful moment" on here so am used to being in the thick of it at times. As already said this matter is between the two parties concerned, i played no part publicly or otherwise, in fact i missed it completely!!!
However what get's my goat is those who've emailed Kris with thier pointless & unwelcome comments. Most respectable folk face thier issues head on, not hide behind an email. I hope next time i meet up with other Oofers & shake hands you are not among them as i don't wish to be associated with the likes of you. Your cowardly actions are beyond reproach & you should be ashamed of yourselves. We all make mistakes, myself included, but i hold my hands up.
I wonder, or doubt any of you have the balls to admit to sending these emails,... but being the spineless sh*ts you are i won't hold my breath. I hope none of you are attending York or Newent. Guy. :(
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Why the undecided smilies? Made it plain enough mate. :y
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As most of you know i've had the odd "colouful moment" on here so am used to being in the thick of it at times. As already said this matter is between the two parties concerned, i played no part publicly or otherwise, in fact i missed it completely!!!
However what get's my goat is those who've emailed Kris with thier pointless & unwelcome comments. Most respectable folk face thier issues head on, not hide behind an email. I hope next time i meet up with other Oofers & shake hands you are not among them as i don't wish to be associated with the likes of you. Your cowardly actions are beyond reproach & you should be ashamed of yourselves. We all make mistakes, myself included, but i hold my hands up.
I wonder, or doubt any of you have the balls to admit to sending these emails,... but being the spineless sh*ts you are i won't hold my breath. I hope none of you are attending York or Newent. Guy. :(
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Why the undecided smilies? Made it plain enough mate. :y
Just hoping I'm not included in the spineless sh!ts bit.........
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Not aimed at anyone in particular, whatever some people may think, but what we can't have is a witchhunt, that would divide the forum into 2 factions (I think we are already dangerously close to this happening), and ultimately destroy the site.
The forum rules clearly state that abusiveness to other members will not be tolerated.
However, in the heat of the moment a few days ago, it would appear some people took it to MSN/email etc when this area had to be closed to allow people to calm down and for the Admin team to be able to moderate the posts. Abuse to other members cannot be allowed, but for now lets just accept/hope it was bad judgement in the heat of the moment and leave it at that, not try to hunt them down and oust them from the site.
And right now is a good time to draw a line under all of this. Its now been over analysed, and is doing nothing but harm.
So, please, I urge you all to forgive and forget, and move on.