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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: miggy on 21 April 2009, 22:19:10
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Had a safety audit today in work and the guy was looking at our oil and grease, he pulled me up about a few old 25kg tins of copper slip i had tucked away, he said he would send me some information on this product because it is now banned due to its canceragenic properties and i needed to get rid of it as a special waste?????????
I did not question him as he surely knows what he is talking about being a safety auditor..........any of you guys heard of this. :question :question
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Sure I have a tube in the garage :-/
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Well I have just Google'd that grease, and it is obvious people are still using it with no warnings being apparent ::) ::)
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You can still buy this retail, so whats his problem ?
And yes I have some in my garage.
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i use copper slip almost evry time i work on a car :-/
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Oil derivatives tend to be carcinogenic, add copper, which is actually highly toxic and it's not nice stuff. Molybdenum grease would be better ----- although I am sure someone will know better :)
AFAIK it's not banned -- just use with gloves
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You can still buy this retail, so whats his problem ?
And yes I have some in my garage.
As said the tins are very old and maybe there was something in the product then, thats not in it now, i am waiting for the guy to send me the info.
As Lizzy has done i also checked the internet and could find nothing saying it was an hazardous substance??
I also have a lot of this product.
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I bet the problem is only with the label on the cans.
But having said that if you have get-rid I could provide a good home for some more.
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I bet the problem is only with the label on the cans.
But having said that if you have get-rid I could provide a good home for some more.
Not a problem, i will keep you posted, i have about 75kg in total
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I bet the problem is only with the label on the cans.
But having said that if you have get-rid I could provide a good home for some more.
Rusty is probably right --- they would have been produced before the risks were fully recognised. It's only a relatively recent thing to wear latex gloves in the workshop for that very reason (carcinogens - but mainly from used oils). As said oil derivatives are dodgy themselves, but add in products of combustion and it gets worse !!!!
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I bet the problem is only with the label on the cans.
But having said that if you have get-rid I could provide a good home for some more.
Not a problem, i will keep you posted, i have about 75kg in total
I could help too ::) ::)
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Are we talking about the same copper grease i put on the backface of the pulleys to stop them seazing when i did my cambelt last week? :-/
I always wear rubber gloves (wife's a dental nurse ;)) so not bothered but like to know :-?
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Are we talking about the same copper grease i put on the backface of the pulleys to stop them seazing when i did my cambelt last week? :-/
I always wear rubber gloves (wife's a dental nurse ;)) so not bothered but like to know :-?
Quite probably -- should say on the tin these days. Like you I always wear rubber gloves in the workshop -- not working on the car -- just like the rubber ::) ;) :D
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Oil derivatives tend to be carcinogenic, add copper, which is actually highly toxic and it's not nice stuff. Molybdenum grease would be better ----- although I am sure someone will know better :)
AFAIK it's not banned -- just use with gloves
So ale thats brewed in copper kettles is dangerous ?
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Oil derivatives tend to be carcinogenic, add copper, which is actually highly toxic and it's not nice stuff. Molybdenum grease would be better ----- although I am sure someone will know better :)
AFAIK it's not banned -- just use with gloves
So ale thats brewed in copper kettles is dangerous ?
You never know --- symptoms of copper poisoning include nausea, dizziness and vomitting ...... and you thought it was the ale doing that !!!!!!!!
Makes you think though -- after all how long was it before they realised lead warter pipes were killing people and boiling the veggies in aluminium pans might contribute to alzheimers.
:-? :-? :-?
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We are all dunn for I fear................Ally pots and pans and copper grease.
What next ............Butter, curry ?
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We are all dunn for I fear................Ally pots and pans and copper grease.
What next ............Butter, curry ?
Good Grief Rusty -- don't mention butter .... and some curries I have sampled have been lethal too !!!!!
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Captain Mainwaring where are you................
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Doomed ... DOOOOOMED I tell ye
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Stupid boy................
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I bet the problem is only with the label on the cans.
But having said that if you have get-rid I could provide a good home for some more.
Not a problem, i will keep you posted, i have about 75kg in total
I could help too ::) ::)
Likewise
ken
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Oil derivatives tend to be carcinogenic, add copper, which is actually highly toxic and it's not nice stuff. Molybdenum grease would be better ----- although I am sure someone will know better :)
AFAIK it's not banned -- just use with gloves
So ale thats brewed in copper kettles is dangerous ?
You never know --- symptoms of copper poisoning include nausea, dizziness and vomitting ...... and you thought it was the ale doing that !!!!!!!!
Makes you think though -- after all how long was it before they realised lead warter pipes were killing people and boiling the veggies in aluminium pans might contribute to alzheimers.
:-? :-? :-?
This is like when they banned lead in solder. There is no evidence of the lead leatching out of solder in land fill sites, so negligible risk, unless you like licking circuit boards. And the alternative commonly used is composed of Tin-Silver-Copper. You want to look up how they mine silver, and the chemicals involved in its refinement ?. Er no thanks, bring back lead, much less hazardous. Plus the extra temperature required to solder with it, stresses components to failing point. Thats why Amstrad got out of making Sky boxes, cause the cheap (crap) compoents he used wouldn't survive the elevated soldering temperatures.
ken
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Sure I have a cople of heavy rolls of solder in the garage :y In fact I have a lot of old stuff in the garage :-[
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Hang onto it, its great stuff, it works well, Marshall Amps use it and keep working for decades. HP laptops use the new stuff and die after 13 months :'(
ken
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Good job I bought a tin of copper grease 6 months ago then! :y
Must admit, ive never used gloves with the grease, and I just use my finger to spread it about. Didnt know it was that bad :-?
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Hang onto it, its great stuff, it works well, Marshall Amps use it and keep working for decades. HP laptops use the new stuff and die after 13 months :'(
ken
Are you referring to the Nvidia Chip that break free from the board? Laptops and BGA's dont last 5 mins now >:(
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Good job I bought a tin of copper grease 6 months ago then! :y
Must admit, ive never used gloves with the grease, and I just use my finger to spread it about. Didnt know it was that bad :-?
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Me too, but can anyone tell me what is not bad for our health, in one way or another :(
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Good job I bought a tin of copper grease 6 months ago then! :y
Must admit, ive never used gloves with the grease, and I just use my finger to spread it about. Didnt know it was that bad :-?
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Me too, but can anyone tell me what is not bad for our health, in one way or another :(
Thats so true... We wont be able to leave our own house soon because of health and safety! >:(
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Good job I bought a tin of copper grease 6 months ago then! :y
Must admit, ive never used gloves with the grease, and I just use my finger to spread it about. Didnt know it was that bad :-?
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Me too, but can anyone tell me what is not bad for our health, in one way or another :(
Thats so true... We wont be able to leave our own house soon because of health and safety! >:(
And what would a H&S person make of our homes? all those wires and electrical things, and those toys on the floor and the cat that gets under you feet, and dont slip in the bath and watch the toilet seat in case it falls down mid flow, and the knife in the sink....where will it all end............ :(
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Hang onto it, its great stuff, it works well, Marshall Amps use it and keep working for decades. HP laptops use the new stuff and die after 13 months :'(
ken
Are you referring to the Nvidia Chip that break free from the board? Laptops and BGA's dont last 5 mins now >:(
yes, but its not actually breaking free. Nvidia admitted this, they use a crap chip substrate that breaks down after so many heat cycles, usually after 13 months. I have had experience of bad BGA soldered joints, eg the HP NX 7010 using an ATI graphics chip tends to get bad joints. I have access to an Ersa IR500D, so repaired several by reflowing the joints, eg apply flux and heat up to reflow temp. I tried this with a DV 6000 board, it started working ok but the wireless was still duff, so I think the heat caused a temporary repair which caused the chip to start working again. I suspect it will die soon; my son sent his DV9000 off to HP for a board replacement, it died after 4 months. :'( :'( :'(
Ken
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I bet the problem is only with the label on the cans.
But having said that if you have get-rid I could provide a good home for some more.
Not a problem, i will keep you posted, i have about 75kg in total
I could help too ::) ::)
Likewise
ken
Likewise, If you have to get rid of it I would def be interested in buying a tin.
Mike
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Is it just me cant imagine getting through a 25kg tub of copperslip in several lifetimes?
1 small tub from halfords will surely outlive me ;D
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Is it just me cant imagine getting through a 25kg tub of copperslip in several lifetimes?
1 small tub from halfords will surely outlive me ;D
I understand what you are saying, but I happen to look after many cars and trailers in the family, and one horrible vw van in the family. It has many uses and I get through at least one pot a year, so one 25kg tub would probably see me out ;D
Mike
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Is it just me cant imagine getting through a 25kg tub of copperslip in several lifetimes?
1 small tub from halfords will surely outlive me ;D
I understand what you are saying, but I happen to look after many cars and trailers in the family, and one horrible vw van in the family. It has many uses and I get through at least one pot a year, so one 25kg tub would probably see me out ;D
Mike
Are you taking into account the shortened lifespan from using the evil killer stuff in the first place ;D ;D ;D
Sounds like your verging on trade, and could use that amount!
Wouldnt want it cluttering up the garage.
25kg of copperslip will be bloody heavy
if it was 25kg of feathers or something light would be easy to manage ;D
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Hang onto it, its great stuff, it works well, Marshall Amps use it and keep working for decades. HP laptops use the new stuff and die after 13 months :'(
ken
Are you referring to the Nvidia Chip that break free from the board? Laptops and BGA's dont last 5 mins now >:(
yes, but its not actually breaking free. Nvidia admitted this, they use a crap chip substrate that breaks down after so many heat cycles, usually after 13 months. I have had experience of bad BGA soldered joints, eg the HP NX 7010 using an ATI graphics chip tends to get bad joints. I have access to an Ersa IR500D, so repaired several by reflowing the joints, eg apply flux and heat up to reflow temp. I tried this with a DV 6000 board, it started working ok but the wireless was still duff, so I think the heat caused a temporary repair which caused the chip to start working again. I suspect it will die soon; my son sent his DV9000 off to HP for a board replacement, it died after 4 months. :'( :'( :'(
Ken
Curious isn't it ? Warranties typically last for 12 months, yet faliure at 13 months is also the apparent norm !!!!!! Built in obselescence ?????
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Is it just me cant imagine getting through a 25kg tub of copperslip in several lifetimes?
1 small tub from halfords will surely outlive me ;D
Getting on for 20 years ago, the bloke I worked for bought a big tub of copper slip like that described, on the cheap from somewhere. Over the next few weeks various tins were taken in by us workers so we could redistribute small amout each. I'm still working my way through my tin! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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........25kg of copperslip will be bloody heavy
if it was 25kg of feathers or something light would be easy to manage ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Good job I bought a tin of copper grease 6 months ago then! :y
Must admit, ive never used gloves with the grease, and I just use my finger to spread it about. Didnt know it was that bad :-?
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Me too, but can anyone tell me what is not bad for our health, in one way or another :(
Whisky ;D ;D
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Is it just me cant imagine getting through a 25kg tub of copperslip in several lifetimes?
1 small tub from halfords will surely outlive me ;D
We have this amount due to working in the steel industry, we use lots each week, the 75kg tins we found is very old stock lurking in a dark corner. ;D
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........25kg of copperslip will be bloody heavy
if it was 25kg of feathers or something light would be easy to manage ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Even easier if you smear the feathers in copper-slip to stop them blowing away. Then you also have a built-in handy applicator to stop it getting on your hands when you are doing your brake pads!
"The NOW! grease. Ready cut, easy to handle...." Oh,dear!
http://www.skepticfiles.org/en001/monty16.htm
Kevin
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'Copper Slip'
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/greek-riot-police-falling.jpg)
Or was he pushed ::)
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'Copper Slip'
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/greek-riot-police-falling.jpg)
Or was he pushed ::)
Coat fetching time!
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My sister-in-law works for WD40 who sell copper grease in an aerosol can so will check with her ;)
as far as i know they are still selling it :-/ i know they had a problem with it last year! something to do with the seams on the cans leaking :-/
will let you know :)
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'Copper Slip'
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/greek-riot-police-falling.jpg)
Or was he pushed ::)
;D No that`s an amusing Legal slip-up! ;D
Remember:
"Help your local Police:.....
.......`beat yourself up!" ;)
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Need to use some tomorrow, on stepsons bike, variable transmission, got it to bits to fit a new belt so may as well grease it all up :y
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Need to use some tomorrow, on stepsons bike, variable transmission, got it to bits to fit a new belt so may as well grease it all up :y
Ahh, memories of a Volvo 340 auto test drive that lasted approximately 400 yards. ;D
Kevin
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Need to use some tomorrow, on stepsons bike, variable transmission, got it to bits to fit a new belt so may as well grease it all up :y
Ahh, memories of a Volvo 340 auto test drive that lasted approximately 400 yards. ;D
Kevin
Comprehensive enough test drive then! My Mum bought a CVT Fiesta, she had it just a couple of weeks - horrible car to drive! ;D
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Need to use some tomorrow, on stepsons bike, variable transmission, got it to bits to fit a new belt so may as well grease it all up :y
Ahh, memories of a Volvo 340 auto test drive that lasted approximately 400 yards. ;D
Kevin
Comprehensive enough test drive then! My Mum bought a CVT Fiesta, she had it just a couple of weeks - horrible car to drive! ;D
And I thought it was only Daf/Volvo and scooters.......... :-/ :-/
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And I thought it was only Daf/Volvo and scooters.......... :-/ :-/
I believe DAF became part of Ford. Ford then 'fixed' the variator belt by changing it to a metal reinforced thing, which wasn't much better than DAF's
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And I thought it was only Daf/Volvo and scooters.......... :-/ :-/
I believe DAF became part of Ford. Ford then 'fixed' the variator belt by changing it to a metal reinforced thing, which wasn't much better than DAF's
Just finised fixing stepsons scooter, first time I have had anyting to do with Variator systems. :y Thanks to Mr Haynes for his help :y