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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 23 April 2009, 13:35:19
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....couldn't get worse, read this story that has just been on ITV News! >:( >:( >:(
http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Social-workers-snatch-elderly-mum-998035701.html
So now a caring, loving, well equipped daughter cannot care for her elderly mother with dementia, without social services, with police armed with a door hammer, demanding she goes back to a care home! A care home the daughter felt was (typically!!) not giving her mother the treatment she deserved!
What bloody next????????????????!!!!!
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I really hope there is more to that story than published!
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I really hope there is more to that story than published!
I would love to hope so Jimbob, but social services are a law unto themselves and this all is very plausible! >:(
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Trouble is that the social workers are a law unto themselves and the media wont let the truth get in the way of a good story so who knows.
Having said that, its probebly safer to have her locked up in a care home than close to the public of Coventry :y
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I'm going to reserve judgement - we only know one side of the matter at present :y
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The SS were involved in my good friends family. They drove him to take his own life. Not a good story. :(
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This looks like a crazy nanny state solution Lizzie........very heavy handed .............and more than likely unnecessary.......as the daughter may well be able to provide more time.......... and more one to one attention......for her old mum.
I do feel a certain sympathy for social services however.................they are damned if they take action..............and they are damned when they do nothing....and terrible consequences result. :-/ :-/ :-/
In summary ................we have far too many old people in this country .......................and far too few people of working age to support them ..................as time goes by .........this balance will become unsustainable :-/ :-/
I believe that it was ex-Tory minister John Redwood who said........A kalashnikov and a large hole in the ground should help alleviate the pensioner problem ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D:y
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Bl**dy disgusting, and if that's true and all she wanted to do was give her Mum a better level of care than she was receiving then they need shooting >:( >:( >:(.
I bet the most grieved person there though was the enforcer as he didn't get to smash a door down >:(.
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I bet the most grieved person there though was the enforcer as he didn't get to smash a door down >:(
Clearly a well thought out, unbiased comment, based on full and comprehensive understanding of all details and facts relating to the situation... ::)
Let's not forget, that magistrates granted a warrant, authorising the use of force to enter the property if needsbe, and thus making it lawful. And let's also not forget, that an enforcer was not actually used - simply taken along.
I'm sure the cops were all in posession of handcuffs, Batons, and CS Spray - but no mention of this in the article. They are just everyday tools, to be used in a lawful manner in cases where needed - and this also applies to the enforcer device.
One would only hope, that magistrates would make such a call, only if in posession of all the facts and with a genuine welfare concern.
I don't have an opinion on the situation. Why? Because I wasn't there when the facts were preseted to the magistrates, who subsequently considered it necessary to issue the warrant. I wasn't there when it happened. And I have no idea of any circumstances of events leading up to the issuing and the execution of the warrant.
Apologies if I sound a bit tongue in cheek. I agree the way it is portrayed by the news articles make it sound very OTT, but It just amazes me that people are prepared to jump on the "anti" bandwagon as soon as it starts rolling, without being in sure posession of all the facts.... :y
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I really hope there is more to that story than published!
Without knowing all the story, I would imagine she owns a large house and the council/SS want her to sell it to fund her 'care'.
I would imagine in this time recession we will see a lot more of this type of thing happening, it is the state trying to recover as much money as it possibly can.
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Some very valid and well put points James.
I saw the director of SSinvolved in the case interviewed on TV earlier.The interviewer repeatedly pressed him to explain and justify the way this was done and why iot was done at all,he just repeatedly stated that he would not discuss the details of the case but reluctantly admitted that it may have been a bit heavy handed.
To my mind the only reason for the old lady to be dragged away from her daughter in this way would be if the daughter was being cruel to her or seriously neglecting her in which case the police should have arrested her when they entered the property,I havent heard any suggestion of neglect or cruelty,and tbh if there was any hint of this I would imagine it would have been leaked to the media to spare the blushes of officials.
I do however reserve judgment to a degree and hope that more facts are forthcoming asap.
It does at face value though smell of "the big state becoming ever bigger".
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A friend of mine is a social worker, doesn't suprise me that this sort of thing happens, he's slowy turning into a Politically Correct creep.
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The new elite/establishment do for some reason seen to hate the traditional family,they seem to attack it from every angle at every opportunity. >:(
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I bet the most grieved person there though was the enforcer as he didn't get to smash a door down >:(
Clearly a well thought out, unbiased comment, based on full and comprehensive understanding of all details and facts relating to the situation... ::)
Let's not forget, that magistrates granted a warrant, authorising the use of force to enter the property if needsbe, and thus making it lawful. And let's also not forget, that an enforcer was not actually used - simply taken along.
I'm sure the cops were all in posession of handcuffs, Batons, and CS Spray - but no mention of this in the article. They are just everyday tools, to be used in a lawful manner in cases where needed - and this also applies to the enforcer device.
One would only hope, that magistrates would make such a call, only if in posession of all the facts and with a genuine welfare concern.
I don't have an opinion on the situation. Why? Because I wasn't there when the facts were preseted to the magistrates, who subsequently considered it necessary to issue the warrant. I wasn't there when it happened. And I have no idea of any circumstances of events leading up to the issuing and the execution of the warrant.
Apologies if I sound a bit tongue in cheek. I agree the way it is portrayed by the news articles make it sound very OTT, but It just amazes me that people are prepared to jump on the "anti" bandwagon as soon as it starts rolling, without being in sure posession of all the facts.... :y
James i did state in my post and i quote "and if that's true" so was trying to be unbiased as you put it, the thing is just because the magistrates granted a warrant that doesn't make it right, that only makes it legal which it a totally different thing >:(.
As for my "comment being based on full and comprehensive understanding of all details and facts relating to the situation" then all i can say is i based it on the information to hand as most people do when presented with the cut down edited version of events which is usually given in the media these days ::).
I must admit my part regarding the enforcer was just an attempt at levity which obviously fell on stoney ground in your eyes, but hey who's perfect, i know i'm not :P ;D ;D.
And if nobody was to have an opinion simply because they were not there when events happened, then there wouldn't be much said in the world would there :-X Although maybe this would be a good thing sometimes ;).
And to sum up James, ok i accept your apology ;D ;D ;D.
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....couldn't get worse, read this story that has just been on ITV News! >:( >:( >:(
http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Social-workers-snatch-elderly-mum-998035701.html
So now a caring, loving, well equipped daughter cannot care for her elderly mother with dementia, without social services, with police armed with a door hammer, demanding she goes back to a care home! A care home the daughter felt was (typically!!) not giving her mother the treatment she deserved!
What bloody next????????????????!!!!!
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there has to be more to this story than that .....
no court in the country would deny a family caring for their elderly members unless there was safety concerns regarding the old dear.
it would be interesting to find out the full story it could be financially motivated i doubt we will ever know
Doug
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More on the story here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5208527/Daughter-considers-legal-action-after-social-services-force-mother-into-care-home.html
I am inclined to agree with the thread title... :(
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More on the story here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5208527/Daughter-considers-legal-action-after-social-services-force-mother-into-care-home.html
I am inclined to agree with the thread title... :(
and me! >:(
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It also said on the video that they did actually break the door down :o.
The home she's in costs the family £2000 a month according to the report, no wonder they want her back, and as usual it's owned by dare i say it, Doctors of a foreign persuasion ::).
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....couldn't get worse, read this story that has just been on ITV News! >:( >:( >:(
http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Social-workers-snatch-elderly-mum-998035701.html
So now a caring, loving, well equipped daughter cannot care for her elderly mother with dementia, without social services, with police armed with a door hammer, demanding she goes back to a care home! A care home the daughter felt was (typically!!) not giving her mother the treatment she deserved!
What bloody next????????????????!!!!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
there has to be more to this story than that .....
no court in the country would deny a family caring for their elderly members unless there was safety concerns regarding the old dear.
it would be interesting to find out the full story it could be financially motivated i doubt we will ever know
Doug
That sounds great and fine in a perfect world and that is how it should work ;)
However, social services have I'm afraid "got form", with some terrible practices undertaken by them. I have personally come across cases where, as I stated before, social services think, and act, as though they are above the law. In my experience locally there are many instances of 'very unusual' actions, or non-actions, being taken by them In one case in particular a court ruled and placed on record, in documents I have seen, that on no less than 8 (EIGHT) separate points in one child adoption case the local ss had acted illegally to take the child away from it's parents.
So, you see how just because the ss had obtained a court order that does not mean they have acted and considered the case correctly.
Indeed James not all facts are known, but I do believe the main news agencies quoted in this thread have been thorough in their reporting, with consistent facts obtained that I note are not being disputed, with the daughter now taking legal action.
I know the police are not always perfect, and in this instance they have been requested to back up social services in their action to support the court order, but either they over played the situation on their own part, being totally heavy handed, or due to an incorrect brief by social services. In my experience the latter is very plausible.
You and I both know James that the level of police back up, with enforcer, to a private address to confront a woman looking after her elderly mother, with no suggestion of a (drug / violent / etc) gang involved is outside of the expected level of support. One officer is usually sufficient to back up the social workers.
As this plays out we will of course know all the relevant facts, but already I note a "distancing" from this event by certain officials.
;) ;)