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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 28 April 2009, 19:20:02
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I was talking to a chap at autovaux the other day.
I asked him about camcover gaskets - and he informed me they can supply both banks, incl O rings, for £25.
I thought "ho ho ho" and told him "I Really only want to use a genuine item for this - can you source me a GM branded one?"
He said "I could, but they come from exactly the same factory, and are the same product, as you would get from VX.
Discuss :y
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Which having received gaskets from Auto Vaux some years ago I can tell you is 'dangle berries'.
They get them from Elring and Elring dont make the cam cover gaskets for Vx
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Which having received gaskets from Auto Vaux some years ago I can tell you is 'dangle berries'.
They get them from Elring and Elring dont make the cam cover gaskets for Vx
Cheers Mark
He did say they used to come from Elring - but he said they then changed their source to V something or other - can't recall where :-/
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I got these the other day http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370107027655
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Which having received gaskets from Auto Vaux some years ago I can tell you is 'dangle berries'.
They get them from Elring and Elring dont make the cam cover gaskets for Vx
Cheers Mark
He did say they used to come from Elring - but he said they then changed their source to V something or other - can't recall where :-/
most of the stuff they claim come from same factory, even when they sold elring ones. I have little faith in them now.
even if its the same oem, the spec of the product can differ from what they sell as pattern, and what they supply to gm
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I got these the other day http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370107027655
good price if genuine, wording sounds ambiguous to me
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I got these the other day http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370107027655
good price if genuine, wording sounds ambiguous to me
Yeah stupid wording, got here next day though :y
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I bought their genuine gaskets last year with "O" rings and sealant.
Cost me about £45=00 all in and can honestly say ,I might aswell have burnt the money...not genuine and leaked after a few weeks.
As has been said over and over..if you buy anything other than genuine GM from dealers they wont last...I can vouch for that
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I bought their genuine gaskets last year with "O" rings and sealant.
Cost me about £45=00 all in and can honestly say ,I might aswell have burnt the money...not genuine and leaked after a few weeks.
As has been said over and over..if you buy anything other than genuine GM from dealers they wont last...I can vouch for that
Or the OOF shop (when we can get them), as we source ours from the GM dealer network
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I got these the other day http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370107027655
good price if genuine, wording sounds ambiguous to me
Yeah stupid wording, got here next day though :y
Did teh parts come in genuine GM (with hologram) packaging?
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife.
They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
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Buy the right ones...do it once and they will last and not leak oil...all others are a lottery and from numerous threads on this forum,they are not worth the effort in fitting something that is almost certainly going to fail.
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I got these the other day http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370107027655
good price if genuine, wording sounds ambiguous to me
Yeah stupid wording, got here next day though :y
Did teh parts come in genuine GM (with hologram) packaging?
Oddly enough they did, but when I messaged him to start off with he said they buy non-genuine and genuine so it was luck of the draw really I suppose.
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
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That's vectra gaskets mate ::)[/quote]
They werent vectra gaskets :)
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They werent vectra gaskets :)
Well if they were joined in the middle, they sure weren't Omega gaskets!
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
So they don't even fit - you need to cut them?
That's terrible!!!!
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
yes they have a much wider base and they dont have a solid half moon bit, and I know because I have fitted vectra cam covers to my 2.5
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
So they don't even fit - you need to cut them?
That's terrible!!!!
They are elring for Omega, but need modifying to fit.
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
yes they have a much wider base and they dont have a solid half moon bit, and I know because I have fitted vectra cam covers to my 2.5
big mistake you will eventually blow your rear crank seal thus expelling oil over the clutch and causing you £££ thats what happens to all v6 vectras eventually
so vectra gaskets wont fit a 3.0 then ah well ill ebay my'n
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
yes they have a much wider base and they dont have a solid half moon bit, and I know because I have fitted vectra cam covers to my 2.5
big mistake you will eventually blow your rear crank seal thus expelling oil over the clutch and causing you £££ thats what happens to all v6 vectras eventually
so vectra gaskets wont fit a 3.0 then ah well ill ebay my'n
No fear of oil being deposited on my clutch, its an auto ;D
As long as breathers are kept clear, theres no problem with vectra covers ,unlike crap plastic omega covers they do provide an efficient oil seal. Ive had mine on for 18,000 miles now with no problems.
Although I have heard of this argument about blowing seals ect. and
I have been pondering how to incorperate some sort of pressure relief valve into the oil filler cap which ejects excess crankcase pressure into the plenum instead of blowing gaskets.
If you have any vectra covers give me first refusal :y
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
yes they have a much wider base and they dont have a solid half moon bit, and I know because I have fitted vectra cam covers to my 2.5
big mistake you will eventually blow your rear crank seal thus expelling oil over the clutch and causing you £££ thats what happens to all v6 vectras eventually
so vectra gaskets wont fit a 3.0 then ah well ill ebay my'n
No fear of oil being deposited on my clutch, its an auto ;D
As long as breathers are kept clear, theres no problem with vectra covers ,unlike crap plastic omega covers they do provide an efficient oil seal. Ive had mine on for 18,000 miles now with no problems.
Although I have heard of this argument about blowing seals ect. and
I have been pondering how to incorperate some sort of pressure relief valve into the oil filler cap which ejects excess crankcase pressure into the plenum instead of blowing gaskets.
Disagree - the Omega ones are perfectly good enough if not fitted by a mechanic who doesn't know what he's doing.
There is no such thing as 'warped cam covers', that particular myth is one that is spread by mechanics to cover their lack of compitence.
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My Autovaux Elring ones came with instructions for separation. I assume the bridging bit is just part of the manufacturing process.
and yes they did leak after 6 months or so, and Autovaux did give me my money back to be fair. But not correct of them to say they have had no problems with Elring.
Anyone who bought them and found they leaked should complain - that way they will get the message.
Autovaux also replaced my slightly too tight aux belt without question, so I do rate them for customer service.
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
yes they have a much wider base and they dont have a solid half moon bit, and I know because I have fitted vectra cam covers to my 2.5
big mistake you will eventually blow your rear crank seal thus expelling oil over the clutch and causing you £££ thats what happens to all v6 vectras eventually
so vectra gaskets wont fit a 3.0 then ah well ill ebay my'n
No fear of oil being deposited on my clutch, its an auto ;D
As long as breathers are kept clear, theres no problem with vectra covers ,unlike crap plastic omega covers they do provide an efficient oil seal. Ive had mine on for 18,000 miles now with no problems.
Although I have heard of this argument about blowing seals ect. and
I have been pondering how to incorperate some sort of pressure relief valve into the oil filler cap which ejects excess crankcase pressure into the plenum instead of blowing gaskets.
Disagree - the Omega ones are perfectly good enough if not fitted by a mechanic who doesn't know what he's doing.
There is no such thing as 'warped cam covers', that particular myth is one that is spread by mechanics to cover their lack of compitence.
I am not saying that omega covers are crap because they warp, they dont. they simply have far less surface area of gasket coverage than vectra covers. as the engine wears and produces more crankcase pressure and the breathers become restricted the gaskets blow.
Far better in my opinion to fit vectra covers if available and keep the breathers clear.
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My Autovaux Elring ones came with instructions for separation. I assume the bridging bit is just part of the manufacturing process.
and yes they did leak after 6 months or so, and Autovaux did give me my money back to be fair. But not correct of them to say they have had no problems with Elring.
Anyone who bought them and found they leaked should complain - that way they will get the message.
Autovaux also replaced my slightly too tight aux belt without question, so I do rate them for customer service.
i did rate them but they've let me down by still not returning my £115 deposit for a camlocking kit after 2 weeks :-/
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It is interesting that you should say that. I had a similar conversation with autovaux recently. when I asked for genuine gaskets he said he had some that were made in the same factory as GM ect.. ect.. I then said I had heard that after market gaskets are prone to leakage, and he replied " we used to have a problem with complaints about inferior gaskets but since we have sourced these from Elring who make gaskets for GM we havent had any problems" A set of cam cover gaskets duly arrived in a bag marked 'Elring' but I was a bit disconcerted when I realised that there were 2 pairs of gaskets moulded together and I would have to seperate them with a stanley knife. They looked more like they had come out of a lucky bag than a factory that makes genecticaly modified gaskets.
That's vectra gaskets mate ::)
Nope, thats Elring non gen gaskets!
The vectra ones have a much wider base.
yes they have a much wider base and they dont have a solid half moon bit, and I know because I have fitted vectra cam covers to my 2.5
big mistake you will eventually blow your rear crank seal thus expelling oil over the clutch and causing you £££ thats what happens to all v6 vectras eventually
so vectra gaskets wont fit a 3.0 then ah well ill ebay my'n
No fear of oil being deposited on my clutch, its an auto ;D
As long as breathers are kept clear, theres no problem with vectra covers ,unlike crap plastic omega covers they do provide an efficient oil seal. Ive had mine on for 18,000 miles now with no problems.
Although I have heard of this argument about blowing seals ect. and
I have been pondering how to incorperate some sort of pressure relief valve into the oil filler cap which ejects excess crankcase pressure into the plenum instead of blowing gaskets.
Disagree - the Omega ones are perfectly good enough if not fitted by a mechanic who doesn't know what he's doing.
There is no such thing as 'warped cam covers', that particular myth is one that is spread by mechanics to cover their lack of compitence.
I am not saying that omega covers are crap because they warp, they dont. they simply have far less surface area of gasket coverage than vectra covers. as the engine wears and produces more crankcase pressure and the breathers become restricted the gaskets blow.
Far better in my opinion to fit vectra covers if available and keep the breathers clear.
No. Buy a Merc if you want reliable. if you want something to do and you dont play golf then buy an Omega, it will give you many happy hours of fault finding & rectifying ect..
Do you like miggys...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My Autovaux Elring ones came with instructions for separation. I assume the bridging bit is just part of the manufacturing process.
and yes they did leak after 6 months or so, and Autovaux did give me my money back to be fair. But not correct of them to say they have had no problems with Elring.
Anyone who bought them and found they leaked should complain - that way they will get the message.
Autovaux also replaced my slightly too tight aux belt without question, so I do rate them for customer service.
Mine didnt come with instuctions for seperation, however I will be delighted if they start to leak soon because that will mean I've got my engine running again ;D
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My Autovaux Elring ones came with instructions for separation. I assume the bridging bit is just part of the manufacturing process.
and yes they did leak after 6 months or so, and Autovaux did give me my money back to be fair. But not correct of them to say they have had no problems with Elring.
Anyone who bought them and found they leaked should complain - that way they will get the message.
Autovaux also replaced my slightly too tight aux belt without question, so I do rate them for customer service.
Mine didnt come with instuctions for seperation, however I will be delighted if they start to leak soon because that will mean I've got my engine running again ;D
:y :y Fingers crossed.
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My Autovaux Elring ones came with instructions for separation. I assume the bridging bit is just part of the manufacturing process.
and yes they did leak after 6 months or so, and Autovaux did give me my money back to be fair. But not correct of them to say they have had no problems with Elring.
Anyone who bought them and found they leaked should complain - that way they will get the message.
Autovaux also replaced my slightly too tight aux belt without question, so I do rate them for customer service.
Mine didnt come with instuctions for seperation, however I will be delighted if they start to leak soon because that will mean I've got my engine running again ;D
:y :y Fingers crossed.
Its very difficult to type with crossed fingers :) But they are!!