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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: willyboy on 09 May 2009, 15:57:45
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I think really the business of anyone getting work done by a member & paying is fine and should carry on this way, as some jobs do take a lot of time & effort, but we shouldnt need to worry about insurance etc in these circumstances for helping repair other members cars.
I know if i were having some member work on mine at a meet or where ever & we had agreed a fee if anything went wrong I would just say I had done it on my own or with help of friend and money would never ever be mentioned there is no need , obviously if thats your own business then totally different guide lines i suppose.
Having being going to do my V6 cambelt since taking it off the road last year I have only been waiting for warmer weather & my health to improve, but sadly as you know things have got a lot worse since 2008.
I probably would have paid or asked for help at the York meet to get it done as have all the kit/locking kit too but realised rather too late I need the cam cover doing too & didnt have time to get any from the VX dealers , so didnt bother even starting the job plus felt like shit, (health wise)so I'm just sitting on the V6 Elite Est hoping I improve if not the kits will be sold with the car depending on the results of my recent biopsy/scan..
But back to the needing insurance guys to cover jobs we/you do on members cars is surely not needed as we are a group/club and it ends there.
Just my 10cents on this aspect :y
Billy
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I think really the business of anyone getting work done by a member & paying is fine and should carry on this way, as some jobs do take a lot of time & effort, but we shouldnt need to worry about insurance etc in these circumstances for helping repair other members cars.
I know if i were having some member work on mine at a meet or where ever & we had agreed a fee if anything went wrong I would just say I had done it on my own or with help of friend and money would never ever be mentioned there is no need , obviously if thats your own business then totally different guide lines i suppose.
Having being going to do my V6 cambelt since taking it off the road last year I have only been waiting for warmer weather & my health to improve, but sadly as you know things have got a lot worse since 2008.
I probably would have paid or asked for help at the York meet to get it done as have all the kit/locking kit too but realised rather too late I need the cam cover doing too & didnt have time to get any from the VX dealers , so didnt bother even starting the job plus felt like shit, (health wise)so I'm just sitting on the V6 Elite Est hoping I improve if not the kits will be sold with the car depending on the results of my recent biopsy/scan..
But back to the needing insurance guys to cover jobs we/you do on members cars is surely not needed as we are a group/club and it ends there.
Just my 10cents on this aspect :y
Billy
I agree Billy! :y
If someone else in the OOF was ever to work on my car for reward or not, I believe they would be doing me a favour as a friend with a mutual passion for the Omega. If something goes wrong, well tough!! ::) ::) You know that you haven't taken it to a professional outfit i.e. Vx dealer, and gone for the cheaper and often far superior alternative!
But, as when I work on my car, I take the risk of breaking it (never happened yet!! ::) ::)) so what is different if another member helps or does the job entirely? I would say there is no difference. #
You take the risk and no talk of insurance!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Iwe shouldnt need to worry about insurance etc in these circumstances for helping repair other members cars.Billy
For general assistance, with no money involved, I agree, no insurance needed.
[size=14]If money is changing hands, you NEED insurance[/size] - there's no question.
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
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Iwe shouldnt need to worry about insurance etc in these circumstances for helping repair other members cars.Billy
For general assistance, with no money involved, I agree, no insurance needed.
[size=14]If money is changing hands, you NEED insurance[/size] - there's no question.
Which is why I only ever help out if I chose to. If said person then chooses to give me a drink, that's fine ::) ::) :y :y
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I understand where Willie and Lizzie are coming from with this,
and in a perfect world I would agree with them, but we don't
live in a perfect world so I would have to agree with the advice
given by James.
In my experience what people say and what they actually do are
often polar opposites. If an accident happened and injured a family
member the hormones would start floating about and the emotions
would start to run high. Mix in an injury claims lawyer out to do the
best for his/her client and their own pockets and you'll be in big
trouble. They would take you to the cleaners without compunction.
It's a sad litigious society that we live in, but there it is, we have to
adapt to reality.
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back to the needing insurance guys to cover jobs we/you do on members cars is surely not needed as we are a group/club and it ends there.
Do you think that defence would hold up in a court? ::)
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
This is the relevant term. When it does, the actions of the good neighbour will not always stand them in proper stead.
In today's society there has to be someone upon whom the blame eventually rests :( Not the way it should be but unfortunately the way it is. In many cases we have fallen from being independantly minded and helpful souls to individuals who have to think twice before acting on their natural inclination :( :(
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I understand where Willie and Lizzie are coming from with this,
and in a perfect world I would agree with them, but we don't
live in a perfect world so I would have to agree with the advice
given by James.
In my experience what people say and what they actually do are
often polar opposites. If an accident happened and injured a family
member the hormones would start floating about and the emotions
would start to run high. Mix in an injury claims lawyer out to do the
best for his/her client and their own pockets and you'll be in big
trouble. They would take you to the cleaners without compunction.
It's a sad litigious society that we live in, but there it is, we have to
adapt to reality.
There is a big difference of working on someones car as a PROFESSIONAL travelling mechanic as in Jame's case, or as an amateur friend helping out who gets rewarded with a pint or two.
The PROFESSIONAL needs insurance.
The AMATEUR does not. ;) ;)
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I understand where Willie and Lizzie are coming from with this,
and in a perfect world I would agree with them, but we don't
live in a perfect world so I would have to agree with the advice
given by James.
In my experience what people say and what they actually do are
often polar opposites. If an accident happened and injured a family
member the hormones would start floating about and the emotions
would start to run high. Mix in an injury claims lawyer out to do the
best for his/her client and their own pockets and you'll be in big
trouble. They would take you to the cleaners without compunction.
It's a sad litigious society that we live in, but there it is, we have to
adapt to reality.
There is a big difference of working on someones car as a PROFESSIONAL travelling mechanic as in Jame's case, or as an amateur friend helping out who gets rewarded with a pint or two.
The PROFESSIONAL needs insurance.
The AMATEUR does not. ;) ;)
Wholly disagree, Lizzie.
If the AMATEUR is charging any amount of money for his services, he Needs insurance
(By the way, I'm not a professional - I'm an enthusiast who is handy with a spanner. I still have comprehensive insurance though :y )
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
even if helping a friend do work on a car for say beer tokens is classed as exchanging money etc
and then it can go back to that
member a / member b situation
so basicly you need insurance what ever the situation :y
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
even if helping a friend do work on a car for say beer tokens is classed as exchanging money etc
and then it can go back to that
member a / member b situation
so basicly you need insurance what ever the situation :y
Beer tokens, no matter the amount - is still currency. Therefore you are charging - and need insurance if it goes wrong.
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
In the case of personal injury or property damage I'm not so sure James. As Grumpy rightly says in such cases, all bets would be off, most likely :(
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
In the case of personal injury or property damage I'm not so sure James. As Grumpy rightly says in such cases, all bets would be off most likely :(
In light of the low cost of the insurance - you really might as well have it :)
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Yeah i know there is so much red tape to all this and to be fair you have a point James, but to help the odd forum person out it would cost more for insurance then the drink you agree on from them... I'd only offer help if i'm 100 percent sure i can do the job.
But we hear so many bad storys from members about garages taking you for a ride and the jobs carryed out is shocking!!! :o :o
Lots of us from this forum can do the job in half the time and twice as good!! :y
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
even if helping a friend do work on a car for say beer tokens is classed as exchanging money etc
and then it can go back to that
member a / member b situation
so basicly you need insurance what ever the situation :y
So you believe an insurance company would be willing to insure an amateur mechanic for his work without any supporting evidence of his training and accreditation? How much does that cost if they did offer insurance for that situation?
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
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we hear so many bad storys from members about garages taking you for a ride and the jobs carryed out is shocking!!! :o :o
Lots of us from this forum can do the job in half the time and twice as good!! :y
Totally agree :y
to help the odd forum person out it would cost more for insurance then the drink you agree on from them...
Don't be so sure :y
I'd only offer help if i'm 100 percent sure i can do the job.
Likewise.
I've never messed up before, until recently, when I forgot to fit a cam follower. I just thank god it was not a damaging component, and was on my own car.
I guess we're all only human - and however good we may be at doing something, we are all open to making an oversight... :y
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Totally agree with you :y, its a forum for friends (real or online) to share a common passion - OMEGAS!! As previously said i can understand if your livelihood/business depends/requires cover, but surely if a friend is asking a friend for help with his/her problem motor why would insurance come into it? We`ll be asking for VAT receipts for our beer-tokens next! ::) ::)
I said it above, I will say it again.
If you are just helping a friend - it can be informal - no comeback - no insurance needed.
If you are doing it for financial reward - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND OPEN TO BEING SUED if you mess it up - and you therefore would be stupid not to be insured. Especially if working on suspension or brakes!!
Scenario:
* Member A charges member B to fit some new brakes.
* Member A doesn't fit the caliper properly.
* Member B crashes his car, causing injury to himself and others. His car is totalled due to poor workmanship and he is too injured to work again.
* Member A who did the work, has no insurance.
Would YOU want to be member A?
Let's be logical - the fact we are a "community of enthusiasts" is all well and good - but when the crap hits the fan - it simply would carry any weight or wash whatsoever.
All very well saying "I Trust you, don't worry, there won't be any comeback if it goes wrong" - however in reality, faced with big losses, people will chase you, and won't give a hoot about "Forum spirit"!
I will keep repeating - if you are working on cars of others, for money - YOU NEED INSURANCE :y
basicly what you are also saying
if you are working on another members car weather for money or not you will need insurance
If helping a friend fix a car, for no financial reward, it's not such an issue.
If doing it for money (any amount of money) you have entered into a contract (even if no paper exists) and you really, really need insurance in this situation.
If anyone wants to chat about liability insurance and the inns outs of it I am happy to chat in PM - I had to investigate it and take out a Policy myself :y
even if helping a friend do work on a car for say beer tokens is classed as exchanging money etc
and then it can go back to that
member a / member b situation
so basicly you need insurance what ever the situation :y
So you believe an insurance company would be willing to insure an amateur mechanic for his work without any supporting evidence of his training and accreditation? How much does that cost if they did offer insurance for that situation?
YES!! I told my insurance exactly what I am doing - and that I have no car qualifications - and they still covered me for a reasonable rate!
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
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Ok, can i ask what insurance would cost for a day/month or year as i don't really know :-/
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Yeah i know there is so much red tape to all this and to be fair you have a point James, but to help the odd forum person out it would cost more for insurance then the drink you agree on from them... I'd only offer help if i'm 100 percent sure i can do the job.
But we hear so many bad storys from members about garages taking you for a ride and the jobs carryed out is shocking!!! :o :o
Lots of us from this forum can do the job in half the time and twice as good!! :y
i agree with what you are saying
if you can do a job and are 100% sure you can do the job then that will be great
if your sort of 50/50 then dont do the job simple as
all this insurance talk that james is going on about can really cause a big argument
if say a member lives 2 streets away and need's a bit of work doing
and they say break off i aint letting you touch my car you got no insurance even tho they are 100% sure they can do the work safley
this can turn into a argument plus can be carried on to the forum which will result in admin locking threads and people leaving
i dont think insurance is an issue i think it boils down to trust
weather money/beer tokens are being exchanged or not
thats my opinion :y
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
its not insurance lizze its trust
if i wanted some work doing and you could do the work i would gladly sort you out with some beer tokens/cash as i would trust you to do the work
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all this insurance talk that james is going on about can really cause a big argument
Why? My posts are reasonable, and unbiased, and polite. No need for any argument at all ::) :-/
if say a member lives 2 streets away and need's a bit of work doing
and they say break off i aint letting you touch my car you got no insurance even tho they are 100% sure they can do the work safley
How far you live won't have any bearing at all, on the fact insurance is needed if you fix cars for money.
this can turn into a argument plus can be carried on to the forum which will result in admin locking threads and people leaving
Depends on whether or not people want it to happen, or want to have a constructive debate.
i dont think insurance is an issue i think it boils down to trust
weather money/beer tokens are being exchanged or not
thats my opinion :y
And it's a very naive opinion at that ..... :y
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james
what insurance company did you goto to get insurance for not knowing what you are doing
if you tell an insurance company that you only know little bits about cars they will look at you as a high risk and see that you could be putting in loads of claims
they will either tell you to bog off and get qualifications or they will wack the insurance cost so high you will never make any money at all
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What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
Welcome to the 21st century!
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
Not supporting as such Lizzie - just being sensible and avoiding any comebacks.
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
its not insurance lizze its trust
if i wanted some work doing and you could do the work i would gladly sort you out with some beer tokens/cash as i would trust you to do the work
Maybe Nick that is THE key to all this, so if you get another members help doesn't it mean that you trust them?
Whatever the pro's and con's to all this, and believe me I can see both sides of the argument no matter how distasteful to me one side is, how about if something like the following disclaimer, taken from the Forum Guidelines Section, was applied, but of course using different words?:
"READ BEFORE FOLLOWING ANY GUIDES
21. Sep 2006 at 10:37
Obviously safety is paramount. These guides are all written by members who have done the jobs themselves, none of whom are professional technical authors. Therfore, they are to be read on the merit of items that will assist you rather than a precise 'follow this to the letter' type guide.
Whilst every care is taken to ensure the accuracy of these guides, you should satisfy yourself that they are applicable to your vehicle, you have the necessary skills to carry out the task and that you follow the usual safety procedures associated with working on any car. That is, you secure the vehicle using brakes, chocks and wedges where necessary and that you NEVER work on an car supported only by jacks. Always use axle stands positioned appropriately.
If you have any doubts regarding safety, ask BEFORE you attempt any job on your vehicle.
None of these guides are endorsed by the owners or administrators of this forum. You follow any of these guides at your own risk."
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james
what insurance company did you goto to get insurance for not knowing what you are doing
if you tell an insurance company that you only know little bits about cars they will look at you as a high risk and see that you could be putting in loads of claims
they will either tell you to bog off and get qualifications or they will wack the insurance cost so high you will never make any money at all
I am happy to show my insurance certificate to anyone who wants to see it.
In fairness Nick I investigated this, and I can therefore talk from facts rather than hearsay or speculation.
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I think its excellent that James has gone to the trouble to insure himself!
if someone changed your timing belt and fitted it fine and then the tensioner went youd be left with 2k repair bill for a V6! thats why insurance is needed to Cover this risk even if you fit genuine vx bits i doubt vx would hold there warrenty up as theyd sim[ply say it was fitted wrong and stick to there guns! if you went to a stealer and had it fitted they would pay up as they fitted it so its there responsibility
Public liability insurance is cheaper than you think! ive got it for my ltd company as i work to an agency as a ltd company i use Zurich
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
its not insurance lizze its trust
if i wanted some work doing and you could do the work i would gladly sort you out with some beer tokens/cash as i would trust you to do the work
Maybe Nick that is THE key to all this, so if you get another members help doesn't it mean that you trust them?
Whatever the pro's and con's to all this, and believe me I can see both sides of the argument no matter how distasteful to me one side is, how about if something like the following disclaimer, taken from the Forum Guidelines Section, was applied, but of course using different words?:
"READ BEFORE FOLLOWING ANY GUIDES
21. Sep 2006 at 10:37
Obviously safety is paramount. These guides are all written by members who have done the jobs themselves, none of whom are professional technical authors. Therfore, they are to be read on the merit of items that will assist you rather than a precise 'follow this to the letter' type guide.
Whilst every care is taken to ensure the accuracy of these guides, you should satisfy yourself that they are applicable to your vehicle, you have the necessary skills to carry out the task and that you follow the usual safety procedures associated with working on any car. That is, you secure the vehicle using brakes, chocks and wedges where necessary and that you NEVER work on an car supported only by jacks. Always use axle stands positioned appropriately.
If you have any doubts regarding safety, ask BEFORE you attempt any job on your vehicle.
None of these guides are endorsed by the owners or administrators of this forum. You follow any of these guides at your own risk."
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Trust won't come into things if a claim was brought through the courts.
I agree my examples are both extreme and unlikely - however you should still be covered, if you work on cars for money.
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Common scence sould tell you that anyone getting work done on their car is 100% happy with the job and the person doing the work before handing over any money to avoid any complicated situations :-/
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james
what insurance company did you goto to get insurance for not knowing what you are doing
if you tell an insurance company that you only know little bits about cars they will look at you as a high risk and see that you could be putting in loads of claims
they will either tell you to bog off and get qualifications or they will wack the insurance cost so high you will never make any money at all
I am happy to show my insurance certificate to anyone who wants to see it.
In fairness Nick I investigated this, and I can therefore talk from facts rather than hearsay or speculation.
i'm not saying that you have not got insurance
just looking at it as you telling a insurance company you got no qualifications etc
when i used to do disco's i had public liability insurance
i know a lot of dj's that have no insurance at all
i have seen a few dj's get sued for a person getting drunk and knocking over a speaker stand
which is not the dj's fault at all
i blame this no win no fee crap
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Fair play to James but for the likes of me and others to offer a hand on job's maybe four times a year i wouldn't take it out. if it's all you do and lifes on the line, than you know you need to cover your self, if you do it day in day out...
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james
what insurance company did you goto to get insurance for not knowing what you are doing
if you tell an insurance company that you only know little bits about cars they will look at you as a high risk and see that you could be putting in loads of claims
they will either tell you to bog off and get qualifications or they will wack the insurance cost so high you will never make any money at all
I am happy to show my insurance certificate to anyone who wants to see it.
In fairness Nick I investigated this, and I can therefore talk from facts rather than hearsay or speculation.
i'm not saying that you have not got insurance
just looking at it as you telling a insurance company you got no qualifications etc
Exactly Nick, that was my question earlier:
"So you believe an insurance company would be willing to insure an amateur mechanic for his work without any supporting evidence of his training and accreditation? How much does that cost if they did offer insurance for that situation?
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
its not insurance lizze its trust
if i wanted some work doing and you could do the work i would gladly sort you out with some beer tokens/cash as i would trust you to do the work
Maybe Nick that is THE key to all this, so if you get another members help doesn't it mean that you trust them?
Whatever the pro's and con's to all this, and believe me I can see both sides of the argument no matter how distasteful to me one side is, how about if something like the following disclaimer, taken from the Forum Guidelines Section, was applied, but of course using different words?:
"READ BEFORE FOLLOWING ANY GUIDES
21. Sep 2006 at 10:37
Obviously safety is paramount. These guides are all written by members who have done the jobs themselves, none of whom are professional technical authors. Therfore, they are to be read on the merit of items that will assist you rather than a precise 'follow this to the letter' type guide.
Whilst every care is taken to ensure the accuracy of these guides, you should satisfy yourself that they are applicable to your vehicle, you have the necessary skills to carry out the task and that you follow the usual safety procedures associated with working on any car. That is, you secure the vehicle using brakes, chocks and wedges where necessary and that you NEVER work on an car supported only by jacks. Always use axle stands positioned appropriately.
If you have any doubts regarding safety, ask BEFORE you attempt any job on your vehicle.
None of these guides are endorsed by the owners or administrators of this forum. You follow any of these guides at your own risk."
:-? :-? :-?
Trust without honour can be a very delicate thing Mz Zoom It's only when something dire happens will those of us with true honour stand by those we trusted :y
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To some extent, helping get a car through its MOT is good because the Test checks the work to some extent. If you change a brake pipe, and its cross threaded or not done up tight enough, or not bled properly, the tester will spot it. Admittedly he won't see things like the front calipers, but he should feel if they are loose.
As for doing work you can't really handle, well...... If you never try you will never learn anything. I think its also about recognising when you have reached your limit and its time to call in experts. I helped my son in law change some brake pipes on his car, but we got to a state where no matter how often we bled them, the brakes still didn't feel right. I therefore stopped and said get it done by a garage, and persuaded him not to use the car until it was fixed.
I do feel its a shame we are moving into the "where's there's blame there's a claim" attitude. It kind of stops us helping people who need it.
Ken
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I am a crap mechanic, but I would gladly 'fix' the brakes on certain members cars. ;D
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I am a crap mechanic, but I would gladly 'fix' the brakes on certain members cars. ;D
is that fix as in fixed
or fix as in "there its done GOOD LUCK ON THE STEP DOWN HILL PART AROUND THE CORNER" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am a crap mechanic, but I would gladly 'fix' the brakes on certain members cars. ;D
is that fix as in fixed
or fix as in "there its done GOOD LUCK ON THE STEP DOWN HILL PART AROUND THE CORNER" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think you catch my drift. ::)
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I am a crap mechanic, but I would gladly 'fix' the brakes on certain members cars. ;D
is that fix as in fixed
or fix as in "there its done GOOD LUCK ON THE STEP DOWN HILL PART AROUND THE CORNER" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think you catch my drift. ::)
i'm starting to get used to your replys on threads now ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am a crap mechanic, but I would gladly 'fix' the brakes on certain members cars. ;D
As we're all aware of... I wouldn't let you work on a push bike ;) ;) ;)
Now the wife's car................... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Incidentally, I won't even let a garage work on my brakes! :o :o :o The only person I trust is myself... But then I used to earn my living with spanners and have seen the shoddy workmanship of some "Professionals" first hand! :o :o :o
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
Hi Lizzie, it's not that we 'support such crap' as you so eloquently
put it :) , it's just that we recognise the reality of the world we
live in and adapt to it. We would love to live in a world where you
can help each other out without fear... but we don't. :(
As to insurance with regard to payment or not, I don't think that
that would matter a fig to an injury claims lawyer. If it was thought
that someone had died or got injured as a direct result of any
actions taken by you then they would come for you with all guns
blazing. Whether you had to sell your house to pay for the claim
or claimed from an insurance policy would be of no concern to them.
But we do agree with your sentiments. :y :-* :-*
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To some extent, helping get a car through its MOT is good because the Test checks the work to some extent. If you change a brake pipe, and its cross threaded or not done up tight enough, or not bled properly, the tester will spot it. Admittedly he won't see things like the front calipers, but he should feel if they are loose.
As for doing work you can't really handle, well...... If you never try you will never learn anything. I think its also about recognising when you have reached your limit and its time to call in experts. I helped my son in law change some brake pipes on his car, but we got to a state where no matter how often we bled them, the brakes still didn't feel right. I therefore stopped and said get it done by a garage, and persuaded him not to use the car until it was fixed.
I do feel its a shame we are moving into the "where's there's blame there's a claim" attitude. It kind of stops us helping people who need it.
Ken
This is, unfortunately, true in many walks of life these days, and IMO the world is a far poorer place for it :(
On the subject of "If you never try you will never learn anything." .... I am rebuilding my buggy's front disc brake calipers at the mo .... so if I disappear suddenly, it will be my own fault .... or that of the magazine I am getting the guide from .... or the guy who let the brakes get in such a state in the first place ... or the manufacturer who made a brake caliper that would seize in 20 years use ..... the list goes on :D
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To some extent, helping get a car through its MOT is good because the Test checks the work to some extent. If you change a brake pipe, and its cross threaded or not done up tight enough, or not bled properly, the tester will spot it. Admittedly he won't see things like the front calipers, but he should feel if they are loose.
As for doing work you can't really handle, well...... If you never try you will never learn anything. I think its also about recognising when you have reached your limit and its time to call in experts. I helped my son in law change some brake pipes on his car, but we got to a state where no matter how often we bled them, the brakes still didn't feel right. I therefore stopped and said get it done by a garage, and persuaded him not to use the car until it was fixed.
I do feel its a shame we are moving into the "where's there's blame there's a claim" attitude. It kind of stops us helping people who need it.
Ken
This is, unfortunately, true in many walks of life these days, and IMO the world is a far poorer place for it :(
On the subject of "If you never try you will never learn anything." .... I am rebuilding my buggy's front disc brake calipers at the mo .... so if I disappear suddenly, it will be my own fault .... or that of the magazine I am getting the guide from .... or the guy who let the brakes get in such a state in the first place ... or the manufacturer who made a brake caliper that would seize in 20 years use ..... the list goes on :D
just sue yourself
win win ;D ;D ;D ;D
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even if your not charging anything at all
and just helping a friend out
it still goes back to that member a / member b thing
so if you do a job for nothing or £1000 insurance is needed :y
Well in that case Nick I will refrain from helping any member out ::) ::) ::)
What kind of society have we come to when we cannot help someone else out without fearing litigation??!!.
On this forum so often many members talk of the ills of our health & safety and litigation orientated society, but now I find a massive element supporting such crap!! ::) ::) :o :o :o
I am amazed and disappointed. :( :( :(
Hi Lizzie, it's not that we 'support such crap' as you so eloquently
put it :), it's just that we recognise the reality of the world we
live in and adapt to it. We would love to live in a world where you
can help each other out without fear... but we don't. :(
As to insurance with regard to payment or not, I don't think that
that would matter a fig to an injury claims lawyer. If it was thought
that someone had died or got injured as a direct result of any
actions taken by you then they would come for you with all guns
blazing. Whether you had to sell your house to pay for the claim
or claimed from an insurance policy would be of no concern to them.
But we do agree with your sentiments. :y :-* :-*
Oh yes I can use very sophisticated language when I want Grumpy! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Iwe shouldnt need to worry about insurance etc in these circumstances for helping repair other members cars.Billy
For general assistance, with no money involved, I agree, no insurance needed.[[
[size=14]If money is changing hands, you NEED insurance[][/size] - there's no question.
what sort of insurance covers you for that kind of work :-/ one day you are working on brakes the next day you may be working on the engine or just replacing a few bulbs ? how far does this insurance go and what cost is this insurance . i bet the small time back street garage dont have it ::)
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Fair play to James but for the likes of me and others to offer a hand on job's maybe four times a year i wouldn't take it out. if it's all you do and lifes on the line, than you know you need to cover your self, if you do it day in day out...
Rob " Dont worry son i trust you "
;D ;D ;D ;D
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reading this thread was frigging hard work. :(
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I agree with James that insurance is needed and you must think about what may happen to put it in context.......
I trust someone to fix my brakes, they fail, I kill someone, the family sues me, my insurance company examine the car and see the new brakes, they transfer liability to the fitter, who's insurance pays out.
Without insurance I may be personally liable for not using a trained and suitably insured mechanic, I lose my house and everything else.
I think a lot would depend on your car insurance accepting the claim but if they wanted to get out of it they probably could............
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Ok, so taking this discussion to the enth degree, where does this liability end?? How about these scenarios:
1)You`ve owned the car for 5 years and always DIY`ed your own servicing, brakes, repairs etc - sell the car and the brakes fail the following week with the new owner behind the wheel??
2)As above but you still have the car, the brakes fail, you crash write it off and the insurance ask who did the work??
Surely if either led to any kind of claim grey area motor factors and parts suppliers would close overnight due to everyone going to stealers, being too afraid to mend their poorly cars!! Far-fetched I know - but where does it actually end? :-/
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sell the car and the brakes fail the but where does it actually end?
in a coffin probably ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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sell the car and the brakes fail the but where does it actually end?
in a coffin probably ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Berboom-TISH!! ;D ;D :y
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So
memeber A repairs a car for
member B who has an MV6 saloon with no LSD but buys a SH LSD from
member C who stripped one off an accident damaged (rear shunt) and sold it direct to B rather than A, but never mentioned the accident.
1 week later after fitting and money changes hands from B to both A and C for parts or fitting the LSD is fitted and then annother week later he drives down the M1 at 70 miles an hour, the diff locks, spins the car, hits a mini bus full of people and kills them all. But member B gets out and walks away without a scratch.
Who is responsible.?
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the minibus for being on the rd ;D ;D ;D
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Just for fun...........
You notice a lone motorist with a flat tyre, you change the wheel, later it falls off and causes an accident.............
If you accepted a fag for the work, you need insurance :-X :y
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See. I've been right all these years. I wont do a thing to help anybody..........in case I get sued. Honest.
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I also seperate the jobs that must be done by a friend (independant) mechanic and that must be done under a firm guarantee..
In case bad things happen, I'll squeeze the neck of the firm ;D
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I think its excellent that James has gone to the trouble to insure himself!
if someone changed your timing belt and fitted it fine and then the tensioner went youd be left with 2k repair bill for a V6! thats why insurance is needed to Cover this risk even if you fit genuine vx bits i doubt vx would hold there warrenty up as theyd sim[ply say it was fitted wrong and stick to there guns! if you went to a stealer and had it fitted they would pay up as they fitted it so its there responsibility
Public liability insurance is cheaper than you think! ive got it for my ltd company as i work to an agency as a ltd company i use Zurich
If its public liability insurance we are talking about, it is cheap enough.
I pay around £30/yr for £1,000,000 worth of cover. Not that im legally required to have it, I just have it for the 'professional insurance claimants'! and ive had one so far.....claimants i mean....unfortunatley for him there were too many witnesses and cctv cameras that saw what happened! ;D
BTW....I sit on the fence on this thread.....i only have it for peace of mind.....
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dont give your car to a cowboy fitter :y
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i think at the end of the day its up to the individual!i have often been asked to help friends with there cars but i would only help if i was 100 percent positive i could do the job .how many people say are you insured ?in james case he has every right to insure his self. if he does do quite a lot of work for members it gives him peace of mind knowing he's covered .good for you james ! :y
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Here's a thought - do you not give technical advice on a forum in case it leads to an accident and you may be sued? :-?
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Here's a thought - do you not give technical advice on a forum in case it leads to an accident and you may be sued? :-?
There's already a disclaimer! ;)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1158831472
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to be honest if you have not got any mechanical quals you should not be repairing other peoples cars ! it took me 5 years at college to get my quals >:( >:(
i do a lot of repairs and servicing on other peoples cars and do not have any insurance because i am confident that i wont make any schoolboy errors !!
wasnt going to comment but people who repair cars that have no formal training shoudnt be doing so gives proper mechanics a bad deal >:(
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to be honest if you have not got any mechanical quals you should not be repairing other peoples cars !
You saying I should stop, then?
i do a lot of repairs and servicing on other peoples cars and do not have any insurance because i am confident that i wont make any schoolboy errors !!
But we're all only human, afterall ::)
wasnt going to comment but people who repair cars that have no formal training shoudnt be doing so gives proper mechanics a bad deal >:(
Have you seen my testimonials? I don't think I give anyone a bad name. Read them for yourself.
Edit to add: Click here to see testimonials (http://www.sandywell.plus.com/vauxhall/testemonials.html)
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in my opinon yes james if you have no quals !
its hard enough for proper mechanics nowadays
not saying you dont do a good job james its just one of them things what winds me up because i have had to repair so many cars after hobby mechanics have cocked it up !!
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in my opinon yes james if you have no quals !
its hard enough for proper mechanics nowadays
not saying you dont do a good job james its just one of them things what winds me up because i have had to repair so many cars after hobby mechanics have cocked it up !!
Fair enough
www.omegamechanic.co.uk has been updated to reflect and I've removed my signature
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thats a bit drastic james ! on my opinon you stopped doing cars !!
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thats a bit drastic james ! on my opinon you stopped doing cars !!
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Not at all mate
Fact is - I'm not qualified to do it - regardless that I'm insured to the tune of a couple of million for public liability.
best the work is done by people who are qualified. No hard feelings :y
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to be honest if you have not got any mechanical quals you should not be repairing other peoples cars ! it took me 5 years at college to get my quals >:( >:(
i do a lot of repairs and servicing on other peoples cars and do not have any insurance because i am confident that i wont make any schoolboy errors !!
wasnt going to comment but people who repair cars that have no formal training shoudnt be doing so gives proper mechanics a bad deal >:(
Mark I have no mechanical qualifications (for fixing cars) but have been working on cars since the 60s. Have worked on my own race cars, rebuilt gearboxes and overdrive units, engines etc. Completely renovated my TR4A including all mechanicals and respraying. Used to do a roaring trade in gas flowing and porting Cooper S heads as well!
Whilst I agree with you in principle - I also have seen some DIY nightmares!!! - there is something to say for experience!
Believe JamesV6CDX has built a good reputation amongst Omega owners for doing a good job on cambelt changes, and he has obviously also built a level of experience in doing these. He also appears more than competant in working on other jobs and other makes. His type of service is valuable in keeping these older "classics" on the roads - garage charges on a lot of the jobs on these is prohibitive. Just as your kind of service (breaking Omegas and offering good quality used parts for sale) is also invaluable.
I tend to work with my mind rather than my hands and find working on my own cars is cost effective, a pain in the rse sometimes, relaxing and therapeutic - its something I enjoy. Whilst I will still help out on other peoples cars I won't accept any payment for doing so (other than beer of course ;) ) Should I also stop repairing my own cars?
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Hmmm... I had no formal training and was pretty much self taught. That said, I used to work in a garage, as an MOT Tester (Obviously I had to do the relevant exams and qualifications for this ::) ::)) and mechanic. I had no issues, bar one which was a customer going against our advice. Essentially having a head skimmed and head gasget replaced on a Vauxhall 1.7TD (Izuzu) engine, even after being told it was a waste of money and a NEW head was required! The customer was forced to sign a disclaimer before any work was carried out because we knew it was not going to work... They were a bulletproof engine but the heads could not be skimmed, simple as!
We were also a Green Flag agent (amongst the others but GF we were the sole agent) in the Basingstoke/Alton/Tadley area and my roadside fix rate was 97%
I accept Markey's comments but feel it was a little extreme. I too have spent many hours repairing a bodged DIY job but paperwork doesn't mean everything... I spent hours repairing "professionals" work also. It's down to experience :y :y
I also agree with James... Insurance is important. If I asked someone to do a Cambelt, for example, on my car (paid or not) and it went wrong I would want some way of recouping the cost of repairing/replacing the engine and I, personally, am not the type of person who would then go back and demand it was covered by them. If they had liability insurance and offered the chance of getting the remedial work done without it costing them an arm and leg I'd be more than willing to do it.
TBH I'm in a lucky position in that I am capable and willing to do most jobs myself but I (normally) only help others by looking in and advising :y :y :y
As several of us have said before, I am more than capable of doing a LPG conversion for someone but I wouldn't take the job on paid, I'd just help them do it... They would have to get involved :y :y
Just my 2p
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Should I also stop repairing my own cars?
That's not for commercial/financial gain! :y
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I too have spent many hours repairing a bodged DIY job but paperwork doesn't mean everything... I spent hours repairing "professionals" work also. It's down to experience :y :y
Many of the cockups I've rectified have come out of VX dealerships. Work done by enthusiasts (including myself) is usually meticulously done. Hey ho.
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I too have spent many hours repairing a bodged DIY job but paperwork doesn't mean everything... I spent hours repairing "professionals" work also. It's down to experience :y :y
Many of the cockups I've rectified have come out of VX dealerships. Work done by enthusiasts (including myself) is usually meticulously done. Hey ho.
James, don't give it up.... From what I've heard (and it has to be that as you've never done work for me!) you do an enthusiasts job, so take far more care than some "professionals"!
I wouldn't hesitate in letting you work on my car if I were unable to do it myself :y :y :y
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I too have spent many hours repairing a bodged DIY job but paperwork doesn't mean everything... I spent hours repairing "professionals" work also. It's down to experience :y :y
Many of the cockups I've rectified have come out of VX dealerships. Work done by enthusiasts (including myself) is usually meticulously done. Hey ho.
James, don't give it up.... From what I've heard (and it has to be that as you've never done work for me!) you do an enthusiasts job, so take far more care than some "professionals"!
I wouldn't hesitate in letting you work on my car if I were unable to do it myself :y :y :y
It's not a case of giving up as such....
I genuinely recognise there are people on here more qualified to do it than I - probably with more time and better facilities.
Time to stand aside...... :y
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I too have spent many hours repairing a bodged DIY job but paperwork doesn't mean everything... I spent hours repairing "professionals" work also. It's down to experience :y :y
Many of the cockups I've rectified have come out of VX dealerships. Work done by enthusiasts (including myself) is usually meticulously done. Hey ho.
agreed paperwork does not always mean a good mechanic !
james dont stop doing what you do bud was an opinon didnt mean for you to stop ! i know you do a good job mate and a lot of it is down to confidence ! :y
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This thread seems to have degenerated.
James, you are undoubtedly a very good mechanic given the praise I have seen of the Forum, and to boot you are fully insured. You will do a job that is far better than some of the work I have witnessed over the years by so called "professionals", and you are specialising on a car you love and know so well! So, what is the problem? ::) ::) ::)
I recommend James you reinstate your web site, and don't forget your kind offer of supervising my cam belt etc work which I for one is only too happy for you to do! :y :y :y
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james dont stop doing what you do bud was an opinon didnt mean for you to stop !
to be honest if you have not got any mechanical quals you should not be repairing other peoples cars !
You saying I should stop, then?
in my opinon yes james if you have no quals !
Your opinion is clear mate - and is probably a fair one :y
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This thread seems to have degenerated.
James, you are undoubtedly a very good mechanic given the praise I have seen of the Forum, and to boot you are fully insured. You will do a job that is far better than some of the work I have witnessed over the years by so called "professionals", and you are specialising on a car you love and know so well! So, what is the problem? ::) ::) ::)
I recommend James you reinstate your web site, and don't forget your kind offer of supervising my cam belt etc work which I for one is only too happy for you to do! :y :y :y
Lizzie - again - please read up.
At one point - there was a time when I was quite in demand. Now the forum has been running some time - There are now people more qualified, with more skills and experience, better facilities and more time.
I've not forgotton your timing belt kit and the offer to do it at no cost still stands. Equally I can just talk you through it while you do it yourself - your preference :y
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This thread seems to have degenerated.
James, you are undoubtedly a very good mechanic given the praise I have seen of the Forum, and to boot you are fully insured. You will do a job that is far better than some of the work I have witnessed over the years by so called "professionals", and you are specialising on a car you love and know so well! So, what is the problem? ::) ::) ::)
I recommend James you reinstate your web site, and don't forget your kind offer of supervising my cam belt etc work which I for one is only too happy for you to do! :y :y :y
Lizzie - again - please read up.
At one point - there was a time when I was quite in demand. Now the forum has been running some time - There are now people more qualified, with more skills and experience, better facilities and more time.
I've not forgotton your timing belt kit and the offer to do it at no cost still stands. Equally I can just talk you through it while you do it yourself - your preference :y
I have fully read up James!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
I mean what I say, just because some have a piece of paper, or amateurs claim they have full experience, makes no difference to your abilities, so why "stand aside"??? ::) ::) :D :D ;)
I just think you have lost your confidence during the course of this thread!! :( :(
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I just think you have lost your confidence during the course of this thread!! :( :(
Not at all Lizzie - I will continue to repair my own Omega's and help friends - I am just stating that there are many others who now offer the service - who are better placed to do it than I :y
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I just think you have lost your confidence during the course of this thread!! :( :(
Not at all Lizzie - I will continue to repair my own Omega's and help friends - I am just stating that there are many others who now offer the service - who are better placed to do it than I :y
Who James, who?? ::) ::) ::)
I am quite capable of stripping and rebuilding a car if I wanted to, but I am a long way off of being able to work on other people's cars with confidence! I think this applies to many on this Forum. But you have been there, done it, worn the t-shirt!! 8-) 8-) :D :D :D :D :y :y :y
Who else on the Forum is willing to travel nationwide to give a service to fellow members? ::) Who are these "many others who now offer the service - who are better placed to do it than I" ?? ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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I just think you have lost your confidence during the course of this thread!! :( :(
Not at all Lizzie - I will continue to repair my own Omega's and help friends - I am just stating that there are many others who now offer the service - who are better placed to do it than I :y
I think it would be a shame for you to stop James... Not long ago you were talking about making a go of a Mobile Mechanic Business...
Keep doing it... You have the insurance should it go wrong and you, rightly, refuse to do Brake work because of the possible outcome should you get it wrong. :y :y :y
You are probably more qualified (by experience) to work on the Omega than the majority of Paperwork Qualified Mechanics!
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to be honest if you have not got any mechanical quals you should not be repairing other peoples cars ! it took me 5 years at college to get my quals >:( >:(
i do a lot of repairs and servicing on other peoples cars and do not have any insurance because i am confident that i wont make any schoolboy errors !!
wasnt going to comment but people who repair cars that have no formal training shoudnt be doing so gives proper mechanics a bad deal >:(
sorry mate thats just plain daft!!!! if you had your ownone man band/ business and wanted to employ a guy and the choice came down to 2 people like this
person 1 got all the paper qualifications you can throw a stick at but not a jot of practical experience,
person 2 is a guy who has been repairing cars for years since leaving school and has been recommended as know his or her stuff, but holds absolutley no paper qualifications
which oe would you choose??
I got my experience years and years ago as an army resettlement course but there were no paper qualifications that i can remember?
have worked on just about most cars and consider myself to fairly experienced, was once senior motor engineer for Berkshire area health AUTHORITY where i looked after an maintained a fleet of ambulances and minibuses, and medical staff cars, with no paper qualifications!!! was a mobile mechanic in the slough area for a few years never had any complaints and people loved me for coming to thier place of work and serviving thier cars while they were at work, and i didnt have insurance!! mind you h and s wasnt even thought of then,
James is an experienced Omega guy now by virtuew of having repaired successfully many omegas but he got his experience by working and making mistakes on his own cars,
for what its worth in my view Carry on james!!! :y
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ok mabye i have been a bit harsh on james and i apologise for that ! :-[
agreed james does know his omegas :y
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ok mabye i have been a bit harsh on james and i apologise for that ! :-[
agreed james does know his omegas :y
I don't think there is any need to apologise at all mate - you have every right to your opinion - and in all honesty - I agree with what you said :y
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I look at it this way.
For any person wanting work done, as we all do at times.
Look at Vx and other garages quotes. Look at the offers of members offering to help Then look at your own abilities.
Could you do the job on your own. Could you do it with the help of annother forum member.
Would you feel more comfortable going to a meet, lots of jobs get sorted there by willing and able members. If you are not mechanically able to do your own, at least you can watch and learn, or help on annother car where you are knowledgeable while they work on yours.
If none of the above, then take on the likes of James or Pete and Daz who maybe willing to travel, or make the job cheaper by travelling to them.
At the end of the day you have planty of info to make an informed choice. There are many testimonials, anyone offering to do the work generally does so knowing what they are doing, Mark is qualified and has plenty of experience, where as James has pointed out he is not qualified but most members know he has plenty of Omega experience, but decided to go part time and mobile and took on insurance.
Based on all this, then each member has to make up his own mind . There are plenty of options, but it isyour choice, and your choice only whether you ask for help and then proceed with the job.
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I am getting REALLY annoyed with this thread.
I own an Omega. I know where the petrol, oil & water goes - that is it - period!
I was in 2 minds about getting rid of my Omega as I could no longer afford to pay the prices charged by dealerships & local garages for servicing & repairs. Times are tight!
I found this site. I watched and read for a week or two then joined. Advice given by forum members and work done and about to be done by people like James, Mark and all of the other experienced Omega lovers on this site has been an absolute godsend to me.
I don't care a damn if anyone has got a piece of paper or not. What I NEED is someone who knows and understands the OMEGA (not an Escort or Audi or BMW) who are willing to help me keep my car on the road.
What is wonderful about this forum is that we all have a love for OMEGAS. Why else are there so many people willing to help with a quick email or even drive from one end of the country to the other to help a fellow driver?
If I want to pay someone for helping me - on top of the part costs of course - THAT IS UP TO ME. I asked for help and it was offered for which I accepted.
If the person doing the work does a good job then I will ask them again (provided they want to). If they didn't I will ask someone else but the responsibility RESTS WITH ME and no one else.
Without people like James, Mark and all of the others - who I am yet to meet and looking forward to immensly - I am in deep sh*t.
I NEED my car to keep my business going - you techies (professionals, enthusiasts, dablers, hobbiests, etc) are helping me pay the mortgage for which I am truely grateful.
Please do not underestimate the importance of your knowledge and willingness to help and for gods sake don't ANY OF YOU stop!
People like me NEED you. :y :y :y :y :y
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I look at it this way.
Based on all this, then each member has to make up his own mind . There are plenty of options, but it isyour choice, and your choice only whether you ask for help and then proceed with the job.
Agree 100% :) :) :) :) :)
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I too have spent many hours repairing a bodged DIY job but paperwork doesn't mean everything... I spent hours repairing "professionals" work also. It's down to experience :y :y
Many of the cockups I've rectified have come out of VX dealerships. Work done by enthusiasts (including myself) is usually meticulously done. Hey ho.
On this occasion I agree with you James. The amount of cars I have done and rectified have been ballsed up by so called "Mechanics" be it back street or Vauxhall's.
These are the people giving you "Mechanics" a bad name Markie..
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On this occasion I agree with you James...
Bloody hell mate - you say it like it's a first... ;D ;D :y
In all seriousness - I'm still insured and will still help people - but with other commitments, I can't offer much in the way of a service anyway - apart from once in a while... :y
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I know where the petrol, oil & water goes - that is it - period [size=14]full stop[/size]!!!!!! ........
bloody Americanisms ........ ::) ::) ::) :y
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I know where the petrol, oil & water goes - that is it - period [size=14]full stop[/size]!!!!!! ........
bloody Americanisms ........ ::) ::) ::) :y
Andy
I was born in Birmingham
My father is Welsh
My Mother is half Italian & half Irish
My Wife is Scottish (by blood line)
I live in England
I already feel like a walking advert for United Nations. PLEASE don't claim I'm now turning into an American???? The only thing I have in common with many Americans is the size of my belly ;) ;) ;)
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I did my Coachbuilding Apprenticeship which was for 4 years. The firm I worked for was PMT Engineering at Stoke, which was the main Bus Depot and also repaired/built coaches.
I did one year in the Mechanical, one year in the Trimming, two years in the Coachbuilding which entailed day release to College.
Since leaving there going to other Coachbuilding Companies I have come across "Coachbuilders" that do not have there City & Guilds and people that have. Mechanic's are not the only Trade that some "Tradesman" are shit.
I have met some Guy's who have never had a Mechanical job at all, one worked in a Bank and I have never seen such a Gifted Guy ever....
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I would of thought most people look to employ a service that comes via a recommendation and from an outfit/individual that has the relevant experience. If these two criteria are met surely that's the start of a decent service - irrelevant of formal qualifications. Their are hell of a lot of so called professionals out there with no formal quals but with the experience to do the job and do it well. IMO, keep up the good work.
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I already feel like a walking advert for United Nations. PLEASE don't claim I'm now turning into an American???? The only thing I have in common with many Americans is the size of my belly ;) ;) ;)
I'm sorry :-[ I shouldn't be so critical, it's just that Americanism are one of my pet hates. :-?
we watch films not movies
lads at work talk about having doved into ...... they didn't, they dived!
American format of dates ie May 10th ..... not it's not, it's 10 th May, that's why we write it as 10/5/09 not, unlike USA 9/11/** isn't Sept 11 it's 9th Novemeber ....
and breathe ....... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I already feel like a walking advert for United Nations. PLEASE don't claim I'm now turning into an American???? The only thing I have in common with many Americans is the size of my belly ;) ;) ;)
I'm sorry :-[ I shouldn't be so critical, it's just that Americanism are one of my pet hates. :-?
we watch films not movies
lads at work talk about having doved into ...... they didn't, they dived!
American format of dates ie May 10th ..... not it's not, it's 10 th May, that's why we write it as 10/5/09 not, unlike USA 9/11/** isn't Sept 11 it's 9th Novemeber ....
and breathe ....... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Andy - absolutely nothing to apologise for! I agree with everything you said.
You live about 12 miles from me - we should be talking and typing as real Northerners 'oop 'ere do! No one will ever understand us then! ;D ;D ;)
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.... we should be talking and typing as real Northerners 'oop 'ere do! No one will ever understand us then! ;D ;D ;)
Aye! Tha's reet!
It's grim up North (http://www.schmoller.net/documents/Word%20for%20Northerners1-1.pdf)
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Reality check time.....
I am a qualified engineer (albeit Marine, not car) and not a technician or mechainic, to answer a pet hate of mine and others regarding the misuse of the term 'engineer'. I have BoT paperwork to substantiate and quite proud of the work and sweat (LOTS of sweat!) whilst in ships enginerooms.
I am quite happy working on things mechanical, especially when I've done a task once or twice to reinforce it within my mind that I have fully understood what I am trying to achieve.
My point is, irrespective of my professional qualifications, I am not perhaps 'qualified' to work on Omegas of other members so, ergo, should I stop?
James - you are sufficiently experienced in omega repair, to my mind, that you should be able to qork on the marque without question, withing the bounds of your personal expertise. The fact that such work is insured by a bona fide company that are happy with your capabilities should suffice.
As an aside, I have had work done on previous cars by supposedly qualified 'mechanics' that I would not subsequently trust to repair a yoyo......
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Reality check time.....
I am a qualified engineer (albeit Marine, not car) and not a technician or mechainic, to answer a pet hate of mine and others regarding the misuse of the term 'engineer'. I have BoT paperwork to substantiate and quite proud of the work and sweat (LOTS of sweat!) whilst in ships enginerooms.
I am quite happy working on things mechanical, especially when I've done a task once or twice to reinforce it within my mind that I have fully understood what I am trying to achieve.
My point is, irrespective of my professional qualifications, I am not perhaps 'qualified' to work on Omegas of other members so, ergo, should I stop?
James - you are sufficiently experienced in omega repair, to my mind, that you should be able to qork on the marque without question, withing the bounds of your personal expertise. The fact that such work is insured by a bona fide company that are happy with your capabilities should suffice.
As an aside, I have had work done on previous cars by supposedly qualified 'mechanics' that I would not subsequently trust to repair a yoyo......
To add, whilst serving as Trafpol, was also sufficiently qualified to issue forms PG9, the same as the prohibitions issued by VOSA at the roadside as per MOT test guidelines, so, arguably perhaps, to MOT Tester standards??
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People know my opinions on some LPG installers
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I already feel like a walking advert for United Nations. PLEASE don't claim I'm now turning into an American???? The only thing I have in common with many Americans is the size of my belly ;) ;) ;)
I'm sorry :-[ I shouldn't be so critical, it's just that Americanism are one of my pet hates. :-?
we watch films not movies
lads at work talk about having doved into ...... they didn't, they dived!
American format of dates ie May 10th ..... not it's not, it's 10 th May, that's why we write it as 10/5/09 not, unlike USA 9/11/** isn't Sept 11 it's 9th Novemeber ....
and breathe ....... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Andy - absolutely nothing to apologise for! I agree with everything you said.
You live about 12 miles from me - we should be talking and typing as real Northerners 'oop 'ere do! No one will ever understand us then! ;D ;D ;)
Derbshire is South Mate............. ::) ::) ::)
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I already feel like a walking advert for United Nations. PLEASE don't claim I'm now turning into an American???? The only thing I have in common with many Americans is the size of my belly ;) ;) ;)
I'm sorry :-[ I shouldn't be so critical, it's just that Americanism are one of my pet hates. :-?
we watch films not movies
lads at work talk about having doved into ...... they didn't, they dived!
American format of dates ie May 10th ..... not it's not, it's 10 th May, that's why we write it as 10/5/09 not, unlike USA 9/11/** isn't Sept 11 it's 9th Novemeber ....
and breathe ....... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Andy - absolutely nothing to apologise for! I agree with everything you said.
You live about 12 miles from me - we should be talking and typing as real Northerners 'oop 'ere do! No one will ever understand us then! ;D ;D ;)
Derbshire is South Mate............. ::) ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D
Have a look at the map - Glossop is 8 miles East of Manchester and 4 miles South of South Yorkshire ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Well, I have read this with interest and some boredom. :-/ :-/
Interestingly, I thought, that two local garages in a nearby village, one who does all my families, included extended, cars / vans or years, the other one does the MOT's.
Both these guys are busy as, and it is all work of mouth, each have there own spacious premises, though one is more 'back street' than the other. Neither of them did any formal apprenticeship to become qualified as a mechanic.
The MOT guy learned his trade on coaches, in our younger days we used to do things like putting a 3.0L Essex V6 into Mk 3 Cortina's etc.
It is up to me to decide who fixes my cars, based on 3rd party information or personal experience :) :) :)
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I already feel like a walking advert for United Nations. PLEASE don't claim I'm now turning into an American???? The only thing I have in common with many Americans is the size of my belly ;) ;) ;)
I'm sorry :-[ I shouldn't be so critical, it's just that Americanism are one of my pet hates. :-?
we watch films not movies
lads at work talk about having doved into ...... they didn't, they dived!
American format of dates ie May 10th ..... not it's not, it's 10 th May, that's why we write it as 10/5/09 not, unlike USA 9/11/** isn't Sept 11 it's 9th Novemeber ....
and breathe ....... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Andy - absolutely nothing to apologise for! I agree with everything you said.
You live about 12 miles from me - we should be talking and typing as real Northerners 'oop 'ere do! No one will ever understand us then! ;D ;D ;)
Derbshire is South Mate............. ::) ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D
Have a look at the map - Glossop is 8 miles East of Manchester and 4 miles South of South Yorkshire ;) ;) ;) ;)
I rest me case...... :D :D :D
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Well, I have read this with interest and some boredom. :-/ :-/
Interestingly, I thought, that two local garages in a nearby village, one who does all my families, included extended, cars / vans or years, the other one does the MOT's.
Both these guys are busy as, and it is all work of mouth, each have there own spacious premises, though one is more 'back street' than the other. Neither of them did any formal apprenticeship to become qualified as a mechanic.
The MOT guy learned his trade on coaches, in our younger days we used to do things like putting a 3.0L Essex V6 into Mk 3 Cortina's etc.
It is up to me to decide who fixes my cars, based on 3rd party information or personal experience :) :) :)
Couldn't agree more Mike.
Also remember stuffing a 3.8S Jag engine & box into a 105E Ford Anlia years ago - went like stink up to 100mph (once we managed to get halfshafts that didn't break!!) - you could steer it on the throttle!!
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Well, I have read this with interest and some boredom. :-/ :-/
Interestingly, I thought, that two local garages in a nearby village, one who does all my families, included extended, cars / vans or years, the other one does the MOT's.
Both these guys are busy as, and it is all work of mouth, each have there own spacious premises, though one is more 'back street' than the other. Neither of them did any formal apprenticeship to become qualified as a mechanic.
The MOT guy learned his trade on coaches, in our younger days we used to do things like putting a 3.0L Essex V6 into Mk 3 Cortina's etc.
It is up to me to decide who fixes my cars, based on 3rd party information or personal experience :) :) :)
Couldn't agree more Mike.
Also remember stuffing a 3.8S Jag engine & box into a 105E Ford Anlia years ago - went like stink up to 100mph (once we managed to get halfshafts that didn't break!!) - you could steer it on the throttle!!
Jag engine into an anglia?
That sounds fan-bleeding-tastic! ;D :y
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there are few things I want to add to that subject also..
here in my country,
if you ACCEPT to PAY for a repair job regardless of the persons qualifications, it means you accept that person as a professional and the RISKS involved .. Because acceptance of cash payment by nature is beyond the understanding of general help..
Qualifications show that you have finished some courses/schools on the time line on a specific subject which the internals of subject itself is not independant of time and may change also..
Also I've been working for more then 22 years on a subject which my qualifications have no relation.. And involved in many multi million worth projects with high responsibility both in private and official govt jobs..
So for my understanding the final decision is : the person knows the job or not..
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there are few things I want to add to that subject also..
here in my country,
if you ACCEPT to PAY for a repair job regardless of the persons qualifications, it means you accept that person as a professional and the RISKS involved .. Because acceptance of cash payment by nature is beyond the understanding of general help..
Qualifications show that you have finished some courses/schools on the time line on a specific subject which the internals of subject itself is not independant of time and may change also..
Also I've been working for more then 22 years on a subject which my qualifications have no relation.. And involved in many multi million worth projects with high responsibility both in private and official govt jobs..
So for my understanding the final decision is : the person knows the job or not..
I wasn't going to comment on this laboured thread again, but I believe Cem you have summed it all up very nicely!! :y :y :y :y :y :y
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there are few things I want to add to that subject also..
here in my country,
if you ACCEPT to PAY for a repair job regardless of the persons qualifications, it means you accept that person as a professional and the RISKS involved .. Because acceptance of cash payment by nature is beyond the understanding of general help..
Qualifications show that you have finished some courses/schools on the time line on a specific subject which the internals of subject itself is not independant of time and may change also..
Also I've been working for more then 22 years on a subject which my qualifications have no relation.. And involved in many multi million worth projects with high responsibility both in private and official govt jobs..
So for my understanding the final decision is : the person knows the job or not..
I wasn't going to comment on this laboured thread again, but I believe Cem you have summed it all up very nicely!! :y :y :y :y :y :y
Thanks Lizzie :y :y :y
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Well,im always willing to help anyone out,either on this forum or a close mate without any charge,but i would also expect them to return the favour one day if need be.
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Surely its all about 'managing risk'. If the enthusiast is prepared to take the risk of being sued by the receiver of the paid for service, thats his choice! If in doubt consult a professional/lawyer.
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Oh My Gawd think its time to lock this thread ZZZZZZZZZ terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired :y
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People like me NEED you. :y :y :y :y :y
I would like to completely agree with Gareth. I am also in need of every one on this forum - please do not underestimate the power of your knowledge and I need your help to keep my car on road.
I would have sold my car within a couple of weeks of buying my car, if it was not for this forum.
Infact yesterday I was at a friends place and he mentioned how he had to sell his peugeot, coz the dealers did not do a good job either.
This forum is very important to me and I would not be able to keep this car on road without the help of this forum - which would mean earlier end of everything 'Omega'
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This is not the locked thread then.......... ::) ::) ::)
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This is not the locked thread then.......... ::) ::) ::)
Nope... This was actually very tame in comparison :y :y :y
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This is not the locked thread then.......... ::) ::) ::)
Nope... This was actually very tame in comparison :y :y :y
Remind me, I will have read it............. ::)