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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: jimmas on 18 May 2009, 23:24:24
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Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.
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Buy a 2.2 DTi 47mpg on a run and 39mpg jotting about :y
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must admit sounds like a good plan :y
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Buy a 3.2 V6 and enjoy the power ... to cut the running costs get it LPG'd and it'll only cost you 15p/mile against 23p/mile on petrol ......
so bags of fun at 2/3 rds the cost .. :)
AND you get the full sized engine with the right number of cylinders .. :y :y :)
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Big car, small engine..............
Don't take offence, my first Mig was a 2.0 auto
V6 power all the way :y
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yeah get a 3.2! and LPG it or a 2.6
dont bother with the DTi Google "Vauxhall DTi Injector Pump" all will be revealed
if your interested in a diesel then the BMW based 2.5TD is a reliable work horse aslong as its been serviced properly
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Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.
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Crikey the jag is currently showing 21 around the doors ....... Mind you am treating it with great repect and being really nice and gentle...........FOR NOW!! :D ;D
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Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.
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Although it's been serviced, clean the throttle body and breathers, check that it's got the correct plugs, and when was the fuel filter last changed.
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thanks for replys, will check throttle body and breathers at the weekend, were is the fuel filter fitted on these is it underneath or in the engine area.
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I see you drive a 2.2i auto addict what mpg are you getting compared to mine :y
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I average 29 around town and 35 on a run in mine. father tunnie averages 32 in his. (2.2 auto) they are good reliable engines, very smooth for a 4 pot too. I will defend 2.2 petrol all the way, but I would get a 3.2 if buying again.
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thanks tunnie, mine is quite a lot down on yours my earlier saloon was around what you are getting now.
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I also have a 2.2 petrol with manual gearbox.
But my economy is way better than those mentioned, well at least on highway it is. But it always depends on the way I'm driving.
The best economy I managed to pull out was 6.6 litres on 100 km.
Will convert this to mpg if anyone needs the information.
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25/26 ish around town, 35/37 on a run.
Remember, an auto 'coasts' quite alot at 25 - 50 mph, you can lift off quite early, when approaching road junctions etc., thus saving fuel.
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jeez that is around 42.7 to the gallon :D
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Ok for my car best figures were 42.77 mpg average on 100 miles trip
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ive been getting between 19.2 and 21.4 lately. :y
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Don't get me wrong in town Mig is one of the biggest drunks I've seen for the size of the engine.
42.77 drops to 23 to 24 mpg in town heavy traffic.
But lets be honest, it is a really big and heavy car so the town consumption is expected to be high.
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
That's pretty good :y :y :y
Last year I managed to average 20mpg from mine towing the van to the Isle of Wight... I was quite pleased, as I wasn't hanging about ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :y :y
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
That's pretty good :y :y :y
Last year I managed to average 20mpg from mine towing the van to the Isle of Wight... I was quite pleased, as I wasn't hanging about ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :y :y
...but you've got one of those funny engines in the shape of a V.... ::)
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
That's pretty good :y :y :y
Last year I managed to average 20mpg from mine towing the van to the Isle of Wight... I was quite pleased, as I wasn't hanging about ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :y :y
...but you've got one of those funny engines in the shape of a V.... ::)
And the correct number of cylinders ::) ::) :D :D
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
That's pretty good :y :y :y
Last year I managed to average 20mpg from mine towing the van to the Isle of Wight... I was quite pleased, as I wasn't hanging about ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :y :y
...but you've got one of those funny engines in the shape of a V.... ::)
And the correct number of cylinders ::) ::) :D :D
Small is beautiful ;)
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
That's pretty good :y :y :y
Last year I managed to average 20mpg from mine towing the van to the Isle of Wight... I was quite pleased, as I wasn't hanging about ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :y :y
...but you've got one of those funny engines in the shape of a V.... ::)
And the correct number of cylinders ::) ::) :D :D
Small is beautiful ;)
I'll be interested to see what it's like this year with the LPG, cost wise.
The guy I bought the van from reckoned towing it doubled the cost of a journey (halved the economy) but I've not found that myself. I reckon if you drive at the speed limit solo and also when towing the lower limit means you only drop the economy by a third.
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not too bad LD as its quite a big van if i remember correctly.
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not too bad LD as its quite a big van if i remember correctly.
It's not small.... 5 Berth, 24 foot odd excluding the a frame
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I got 22.1 mpg on a recent trip towing a caravan.
That's pretty good :y :y :y
Last year I managed to average 20mpg from mine towing the van to the Isle of Wight... I was quite pleased, as I wasn't hanging about ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :y :y
...but you've got one of those funny engines in the shape of a V.... ::)
And the correct number of cylinders ::) ::) :D :D
Small is beautiful ;)
I'll be interested to see what it's like this year with the LPG, cost wise.
The guy I bought the van from reckoned towing it doubled the cost of a journey (halved the economy) but I've not found that myself. I reckon if you drive at the speed limit solo and also when towing the lower limit means you only drop the economy by a third.
I'm inclined to agree.
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Buy a 3.2 V6 and enjoy the power ... to cut the running costs get it LPG'd and it'll only cost you 15p/mile against 23p/mile on petrol ......
so bags of fun at 2/3 rds the cost .. :)
AND you get the full sized engine with the right number of cylinders .. :y :y :)
Allow me to bow before the font of such wisdom :y :y
Four pots just dont't cut it, I have one and having driven 3.2's in work I still can't get used to the lack of oomph when needed. I would love a 3.2.
Alternatively get yourself a Prius to run around in, 52 - 56 mpg without fail and £15/yr duty. Will also be handy when road pricing is introduced :y
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Buy a 3.2 V6 and enjoy the power ... to cut the running costs get it LPG'd and it'll only cost you 15p/mile against 23p/mile on petrol ......
so bags of fun at 2/3 rds the cost .. :)
AND you get the full sized engine with the right number of cylinders .. :y :y :)
Allow me to bow before the font of such wisdom :y :y
Four pots just dont't cut it, I have one and having driven 3.2's in work I still can't get used to the lack of oomph when needed. I would love a 3.2.
Alternatively get yourself a Prius to run around in, 52 - 56 mpg without fail and £15/yr duty. Will also be handy when road pricing is introduced :y
Except, as Top Gear Proved, they are only so economical when used around town... Driven hard they are shockingly poor :o :o :o
Oh.... And they look rather awful ;) ;) ;)
Oh... And let's not go into the whole of life arguments!
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Buy a 3.2 V6 and enjoy the power ... to cut the running costs get it LPG'd and it'll only cost you 15p/mile against 23p/mile on petrol ......
so bags of fun at 2/3 rds the cost .. :)
AND you get the full sized engine with the right number of cylinders .. :y :y :)
Allow me to bow before the font of such wisdom :y :y
Four pots just dont't cut it, I have one and having driven 3.2's in work I still can't get used to the lack of oomph when needed. I would love a 3.2.
Alternatively get yourself a Prius to run around in, 52 - 56 mpg without fail and £15/yr duty. Will also be handy when road pricing is introduced :y
Except, as Top Gear Proved, they are only so economical when used around town... Driven hard they are shockingly poor :o :o :o
Oh.... And they look rather awful ;) ;) ;)
Oh... And let's not go into the whole of life arguments!
I know what you mean LD but the Top Gear piece was not really relevant as the car is not designed to be driven in this way, indeed any vehicle so driven will exhibit poor fuel economy. :y
Yep the shape quirky to say the least but it grows on you. 8-)
The life argument I didn't consider a priority as the notion of being able to stop or reduce climate change by using low emission vehicles is flawed. The planet will continue to alter its climate whatever we try to do. I was determined however to try to limit my exposure to the Exchequer, as it seems that stripping the motorist of funds will be the way forward from now on ;) ;) What we have, in terms of hard earned cash, we should hold :y :y
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Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.
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Unfortunately, these figures sound about right.
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Except, as Top Gear Proved, they are only so economical when used around town... Driven hard they are shockingly poor :o :o :o
Oh.... And they look rather awful ;) ;) ;)
Oh... And let's not go into the whole of life arguments!
I know what you mean LD but the Top Gear piece was not really relevant as the car is not designed to be driven in this way, indeed any vehicle so driven will exhibit poor fuel economy. :y
Yep the shape quirky to say the least but it grows on you. 8-)
The life argument I didn't consider a priority as the notion of being able to stop or reduce climate change by using low emission vehicles is flawed. The planet will continue to alter its climate whatever we try to do. I was determined however to try to limit my exposure to the Exchequer, as it seems that stripping the motorist of funds will be the way forward from now on ;) ;) What we have, in terms of hard earned cash, we should hold :y :y
I know what you mean... I was tempted to get one for SWMBO as she only does about 15 miles/day max but they just hold value too well and TBH I don't think it'd be much cheaper than running the little Panda she's getting in a couple of weeks :y :y
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This is an example of how we are going to messed about with.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agqPp0iSPbp4&refer=worldwide
Rest assured that the gutless, incompetent lawmakers on this side of the Atlantic will soon follow suit ;)
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I know what you mean... I was tempted to get one for SWMBO as she only does about 15 miles/day max but they just hold value too well and TBH I don't think it'd be much cheaper than running the little Panda she's getting in a couple of weeks :y :y
You're right enough there LD :y
The important thing is to keep as much cash from the sticky hands of the Exchequer as possible and the Panda will help you do just that :y :y
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I would rather they had pushed for economy rather than emmisions, clean emmisions do use more fuel unfortunately (eg lean burn rejected).
I used to own a Carlton I could get well over 30mpg on runs without even trying.
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Sorry for hijacking the original theme of this thread :-[ :y
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I would rather they had pushed for economy rather than emmisions, clean emmisions do use more fuel unfortunately (eg lean burn rejected).
I used to own a Carlton I could get well over 30mpg on runs without even trying.
TBH Martin I think they're making it up as they go :-/ :-/
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Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.
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I found a noticeable fuel consumption between saloon and estate. I thinks it’s due to extra estate weight and construction (estate back is quite big and flat).
you can go better with petrol consumption, but I think that if it's an auto and any fault symthoms are not obvous, you may spend more trying to find it than extra petrol...
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A Prius is more harmful to the environment than a Range Rover!
All the sulpha needed in the batterys is mined from Canada, its a heavy dirty process using tones of fossil fuels, its then sent to Europe in a big oil powered boat, refined, put on another boat and sent to Japan, the car is built, they then put the car in a boat and ship it back to Europe.
So over the course of a car's life time, if you want to save the environment, get a Range Rover ;)
Also, no independent garage will touch them, you have to go to a main dealer, for me, that would be a 60 mile round trip, instead of 1/2 mile run into town.
To remove the spark plugs on the Prius you have to REMOVE the engine, from UNDERNEATH the car!
They are also damn expensive, for what they are, horrible little shi!t boxes.
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Err the Prius is rubbish on fuel! its only cus it has an electric motor that makes it economical
an M3 is more economical on a motorway run! i can get 20 out of my 3.0V6 and thats thrashing it about everywhere
20mpg i think is preety good considering the way i drive
all hybrid cars they be banned the way the batterys are made is highly toxic and the fumes are poisionous Diesel is less harmfull to the enviroment and alot more efficiant
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A Prius is more harmful to the environment than a Range Rover!
All the sulpha needed in the batterys is mined from Canada, its a heavy dirty process using tones of fossil fuels, its then sent to Europe in a big oil powered boat, refined, put on another boat and sent to Japan, the car is built, they then put the car in a boat and ship it back to Europe.
So over the course of a car's life time, if you want to save the environment, get a Range Rover ;)
Also, no independent garage will touch them, you have to go to a main dealer, for me, that would be a 60 mile round trip, instead of 1/2 mile run into town.
To remove the spark plugs on the Prius you have to REMOVE the engine, from UNDERNEATH the car!
They are also damn expensive, for what they are, horrible little shi!t boxes.
A bit of black propaganda long since de-bunked Tunnie :y
The plugs can be changed from the top in the normal way with a bit of gubbins removed.
They are expensive but then that's the cost for the degree of technical sophistication which was necessary to develop the car. :y
I think Toyota did a reasonable job in trying to provide an interim means of powering our cars. :y
Horrible little shit box might be a bit harsh Tunnie ;D Try one they're ok - really :y :y
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Err the Prius is rubbish on fuel! its only cus it has an electric motor that makes it economical
an M3 is more economical on a motorway run! i can get 20 out of my 3.0V6 and thats thrashing it about everywhere
20mpg i think is preety good considering the way i drive
all hybrid cars they be banned the way the batterys are made is highly toxic and the fumes are poisionous Diesel is less harmfull to the enviroment and alot more efficiant
That's the whole idea tmx :y
Take away the particulate filter from diesel cars and you might well have people complain about the heavy elements produced at the roadside :y
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id rather have a Diesel clit than a prius
least the clit has street cred bags more extra power & tourqe and only £35 roadtax more economical too!
i hope the prius suffers from the usual toyota cylinder head gasket problems
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id rather have a Diesel clit than a prius
least the clit has street cred bags more extra power & tourqe and only £35 roadtax more economical too!
i hope the prius suffers from the usual toyota cylinder head gasket problems
That's OK tmx I'm sure the clit is a good enough car :y and I wouldn't think the less of you were you to drive one :y
To wish mechanical failure on any car however is a bit unfair :(
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put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.
Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.
Hybrid drive is not the way to go.
I will keep my big fat saloon for a long time yet, the massive cost is just not worth it, buy a 1.2 Corsa, it will be just as economical, cheaper to maintain, and about 1/4 of the cost to buy!
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put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.
Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.
Hybrid drive is not the way to go.
Your example highlights the very scenario where a hybrid car is operating exactly as a conventional car with a bootload of redundant batteries and electric motors though. It's hardly likely to be a glowing endorsement for Hybrid cars. ;D
One of the two times I have been in a prius was in a taxi travelling through the centre of Milan. Read: Italian driver, Italian traffic, Italian Traffic light sequencing. :o The average MPG was reading (metric equivalent of) about 55 MPG IIRC, and the reading was stable. The way this guy was driving, I can tell you that if he had been in my 3.2 Auto (or any petrol Omega) he would have been doing low teens MPG.
Hybrid cars have a place, and solve a particular set of problems associated with a particular type of driving. Personally, I wouldn't buy one because I rarely do any urban driving and I'd want to know what the longer term costs of ownership are.
If I drive through the centre of Milan every day I sure as hell would ditch the Omega though.
Kevin
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put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.
Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.
Hybrid drive is not the way to go.
I will keep my big fat saloon for a long time yet, the massive cost is just not worth it, buy a 1.2 Corsa, it will be just as economical, cheaper to maintain, and about 1/4 of the cost to buy!
You're right Tunnie it's only an interim step :y
You're also correct here, it's down to the individual in what they're prepared to pay. And like you, I will always keep a big car as it's so difficult to break the habit of a lifetime :y :y
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put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.
Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.
Hybrid drive is not the way to go.
I will keep my big fat saloon for a long time yet, the massive cost is just not worth it, buy a 1.2 Corsa, it will be just as economical, cheaper to maintain, and about 1/4 of the cost to buy!
You're right Tunnie it's only an interim step :y
You're also correct here, it's down to the individual in what they're prepared to pay. And like you, I will always keep a big car as it's so difficult to break the habit of a lifetime :y :y
I can see the point of them in London, 60% of the time your standing still, 30% of the time your doing 15 mph, about 10% of the time do you get over 20mph.
But out in the country, for normal driving? Nah.
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put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.
Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.
Hybrid drive is not the way to go.
I will keep my big fat saloon for a long time yet, the massive cost is just not worth it, buy a 1.2 Corsa, it will be just as economical, cheaper to maintain, and about 1/4 of the cost to buy!
You're right Tunnie it's only an interim step :y
You're also correct here, it's down to the individual in what they're prepared to pay. And like you, I will always keep a big car as it's so difficult to break the habit of a lifetime :y :y
I can see the point of them in London, 60% of the time your standing still, 30% of the time your doing 15 mph, about 10% of the time do you get over 20mph.
But out in the country, for normal driving? Nah.
Yep you're right Tunnie they are ideal city cars :y
I live some miles outside Belfast in a rural environment which results in the car not using the hybrid drive to the maximum potential efficiency.
I still can return 52 - 55 mpg however with the mixed driving I do.( this reduces to 46 to 49 in the winter) I will stick to posted speed limits on non M roads and cruise at around 65 or so on the motorway. :y
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put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.
Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.
Hybrid drive is not the way to go.
Your example highlights the very scenario where a hybrid car is operating exactly as a conventional car with a bootload of redundant batteries and electric motors though. It's hardly likely to be a glowing endorsement for Hybrid cars. ;D
One of the two times I have been in a prius was in a taxi travelling through the centre of Milan. Read: Italian driver, Italian traffic, Italian Traffic light sequencing. :o The average MPG was reading (metric equivalent of) about 55 MPG IIRC, and the reading was stable. The way this guy was driving, I can tell you that if he had been in my 3.2 Auto (or any petrol Omega) he would have been doing low teens MPG.
Hybrid cars have a place, and solve a particular set of problems associated with a particular type of driving. Personally, I wouldn't buy one because I rarely do any urban driving and I'd want to know what the longer term costs of ownership are.
If I drive through the centre of Milan every day I sure as hell would ditch the Omega though.
Kevin
Based on the present pricing structure Kevin, that might well be the mitigating factor against such a purchase :y
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Town driving - motorbike time
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yes a ZX600/10 Ninja will be a hell of alot more fun than any car!
half the price too better MPG, 200mph top speed nearly on the 1000 anyway more fun on the motorway too!
plus unless theyre on a bike the filth will never be able to catch up
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yes a ZX600/10 Ninja will be a hell of alot more fun than any car!
half the price too better MPG, 200mph top speed nearly on the 1000 anyway more fun on the motorway too!
plus unless theyre on a bike the filth will never be able to catch up
I paid 2k for my 2006 Yam 660cc, its a great town bike, bags of torque, fairly rapid off the line and 55-60mpg :)
Sadly due to the 'dangle berries' tax scheme, its £64 to tax a year >:(
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have you done a "Direct Access" licence then? or is it restricted to the 25bhp or what ever it is rule?
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Buy a 3.2 V6 and enjoy the power ... to cut the running costs get it LPG'd and it'll only cost you 15p/mile against 23p/mile on petrol ......
so bags of fun at 2/3 rds the cost .. :)
AND you get the full sized engine with the right number of cylinders .. :y :y :)
Allow me to bow before the font of such wisdom :y :y
Four pots just dont't cut it, I have one and having driven 3.2's in work I still can't get used to the lack of oomph when needed. I would love a 3.2.
Alternatively get yourself a Prius to run around in, 52 - 56 mpg without fail and £15/yr duty. Will also be handy when road pricing is introduced :y
Except, as Top Gear Proved, they are only so economical when used around town... Driven hard they are shockingly poor :o :o :o
Oh.... And they look rather awful ;) ;) ;)
Oh... And let's not go into the whole of life arguments!
Lets all just kill cows! as apparantley they are worse for the enviroment than any car!!!!!!!! :D :D :D and it would keep the ethnic religions/veggies happy as no one could eat beef :D :D
P.s this post is the result of vodski so if i have gotten any/all facts wrong ........ sue me! ;D
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ahh i love me beef id be upset if cows went they may be a methane machine but theyre very tasty!
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yup taken direct acess, full license, bike has 45bhp but loads of torque
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jeez that is around 42.7 to the gallon :D
I've recently done a 230mile journey twice and gotten the above in my 2.2i auto. Most of the journey was motorway at 70mph speed, so I was well pleased.
M :y
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crikey I will have to have a serious look at mine, starting with breathers and cleaning out throttle body, I have to say that the car runs really well and very smooth nothing to indicate a real problem :y
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Don't forget to check your air filter is in good condition to, a block filter isn't going to help.
Not insulting your intelligence as you may have already checked, but as you mention you've just got your estate, you sure that the last owner put the correct size tires for the car, and not just stuck anything on there to get rid of it ?.
Just a thought ?.
M