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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: sir moanalot on 26 May 2009, 14:25:13
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around my way i'm hearing a lot of buzz about people voting for the bnp.
i think theres a lot of problems with immigration and housing issues around here prompting these thoughts. i havn't decided yet but feel until the bnp have got some seats and have made their intentions clear i will probably stay clear and punt on the lesser worrying ukip. anyone got any experience (good or bad) of the bnp?
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Having rubbed shoulders with the "skinheads" of my youth, who are now, undoubtably, the rank and file of the BNP, I would stay clear.
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It would be a very, very sad and bad day for British Politics along with our way of life if these cretins ever succeeded to gain power.
It could not (well I bloody hope it couldn't!!) possibly be on the scale of 'that event' at noon on the 30th January 1933, but this country would certainly be on a fascist path if ever the BNP were given full reign. They have either not read history and understood it, or they are so ignorant and evil that they care not what they say and do!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Lizzie for pm!
I agree the situation has gone to far, but the day bnp get into power will be the day its time for me to leave. If they are not good enough for the Queen(she banned a bnp member from attending a function at Buck house)then they aint good enough for me. But i suspect prince Phillip will invite them in the back door for a swift half. Silly old bugger.
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the problem is the big 3 are doing such a pathetic job, raising taxes to 50% for the rich, increasing car tax 100%.... its going to drive normal voters towards them.
I want BNP to get as big as Lib Dems, that should sh!t the big 2 up.
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs. As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries. Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans. No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French. Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!! ::) ::)
BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all! >:( >:(
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Still not certain which way I will go yet, but both UKIP and BNP are on my train of thought ::)
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Ah the wonders of democracy ::)
And the problems with it.
Seems democracy in the UK is only so if it follows the majority perception.
If the BNP get seats or a % increase in votes in the UK it would suggest to me that the Great British People have some support for them. Dont think its very "Politically Correct" we stereo type the BNP or potential voters these days to thugs in skinheads and Doc Martins. Similarly i dont think we should be calling them stupid and ignorant en mass.
I do have a level of suppport for them but that said i wont be voting for them - although if they had decent economic policy i would think carefully.....
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BNP are fools and racists, UKIP I think are worse than the big 3 for expenses.
I will wait and see who there is to vote for
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...and in answer to the thread question..."how well will they do"
I thnk they will do better than ever before and take a few surprise seats. Why ? Because Britain in pig sick of the state of the nation with illegal immigration.
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Ah the wonders of democracy ::)
And the problems with it.
Seems democracy in the UK is only so if it follows the majority perception.
If the BNP get seats or a % increase in votes in the UK it would suggest to me that the Great British People have some support for them. Dont think its very "Politically Correct" we stereo type the BNP or potential voters these days to thugs in skinheads and Doc Martins. Similarly i dont think we should be calling them stupid and ignorant en mass.
I do have a level of suppport for them but that said i wont be voting for them - although if they had decent economic policy i would think carefully.....
Why not? :-? :-? When they, men in suits and pretending to be inteligent as the Nazis did, ignore the true facts of the situation, with even using the image of Winston Churchill to promote their twisted message! :o :o :o
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Ah the wonders of democracy ::)
And the problems with it.
Seems democracy in the UK is only so if it follows the majority perception.
If the BNP get seats or a % increase in votes in the UK it would suggest to me that the Great British People have some support for them. Dont think its very "Politically Correct" we stereo type the BNP or potential voters these days to thugs in skinheads and Doc Martins. Similarly i dont think we should be calling them stupid and ignorant en mass.
I do have a level of suppport for them but that said i wont be voting for them - although if they had decent economic policy i would think carefully.....
Why not? :-? :-? When they, men in suits and pretending to be inteligent as the Nazis did, ignore the true facts of the situation, with even using the image of Winston Churchill to promote their twisted message! :o :o :o
Why Not - well society tells us we need to embrace all for a start ;D
I think the feeling at grass roots - in the UK is that more and more peole would considor voting for them - i think whilst they have dramatic shortfallings there a more " credible" party than they were.
Even on here theres 3/4 replies to this thread that indicates some good oofers are at least considoring voting for them.
It doesnt make them bad people :y And i personally have never carried a baseball bat, shaved my hair, wore Doc Martins, Assualted anyone, been in trouble with the police for beating up ethnic women with small children.
What i do have is a typical married with children homelife, mortgage, skilled job and degree ( in Politics)background.
I think Lizzie, the BNP and there voters have moved on since the 1980`s ;)
Doesnt make anyone right or wrong, just think they may surprise a few come the elections.
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Markie I am just listening to the BNP's Party Political Broadcast, and they have just forgotten about the many hundreds of thousands from the United States of America who died whilst fighting to actually win the Second World War, after the British and Commonwealth airman kept the Nazis at bay. Talk about ignoring the facts of history.
I believe in democracy and under that it is good that many people are now returning to the need to think out what politically they require in this country. I just hope "the facts" are considered when voting for any party, including the BNP. ;) ;)
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Ah the wonders of democracy ::)
And the problems with it.
Seems democracy in the UK is only so if it follows the majority perception.
If the BNP get seats or a % increase in votes in the UK it would suggest to me that the Great British People have some support for them. Dont think its very "Politically Correct" we stereo type the BNP or potential voters these days to thugs in skinheads and Doc Martins. Similarly i dont think we should be calling them stupid and ignorant en mass.
I do have a level of suppport for them but that said i wont be voting for them - although if they had decent economic policy i would think carefully.....
Why not? :-? :-? When they, men in suits and pretending to be inteligent as the Nazis did, ignore the true facts of the situation, with even using the image of Winston Churchill to promote their twisted message! :o :o :o
Why Not - well society tells us we need to embrace all for a start ;D
I think the feeling at grass roots - in the UK is that more and more peole would considor voting for them - i think whilst they have dramatic shortfallings there a more " credible" party than they were.
Even on here theres 3/4 replies to this thread that indicates some good oofers are at least considoring voting for them.
It doesnt make them bad people :y And i personally have never carried a baseball bat, shaved my hair, wore Doc Martins, Assualted anyone, been in trouble with the police for beating up ethnic women with small children.
What i do have is a typical married with children homelife, mortgage, skilled job and degree ( in Politics)background.
I think Lizzie, the BNP and there voters have moved on since the 1980`s ;)
Doesnt make anyone right or wrong, just think they may surprise a few come the elections.
It doesnt make them bad people :y And i personally have never carried a baseball bat, shaved my hair, wore Doc Martins, Assualted anyone, been in trouble with the police for beating up ethnic women with small children.
........one doesn't have to Markie, I had to try and deal with the result of such actions for many years. I wasn't so much the naked physical effect of violence and intolerance, it was the credence given to it by people all too eager to either condone, or passively agree with it by, turning a blind eye to the reality.
I think Lizzie, the BNP and there voters have moved on since the 1980`s
....but Markie, such polarization and extreme views don't always result in good government :y (just when we need it)
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs. As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries. Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans. No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French. Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!! ::) ::)
BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all! >:( >:(
I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one ::)
I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.
My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.
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Everyone has been having a go at the Labour open door policy.
Why can some right **** get in but not Gurkhas?
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs. As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries. Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans. No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French. Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!! ::) ::)
BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all! >:( >:(
I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one ::)
I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.
My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.
Thank you Pete. I too will be voting for them. I also don't agree with some of their policies, but there a again i can say the same for the other parties.
I am also not a racist, just a realist whom happens to love his country :y :y :y :y :y :y
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs. As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries. Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans. No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French. Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!! ::) ::)
BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all! >:( >:(
I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one ::)
I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.
My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.
and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this,
.... but Pete, can they garner sufficient support, when translated into elected seats, to make their mark in any legislature?. Will they have the political maturity to govern in good stead and be responsible to those who seek and require good governance? I'm not sure :-/ :-/
For those people who might be thinking of casting their ballot for such a party in the hope that it will be recognized as a protest vote - they might well have missed an opportunity to elect an official with a greater chance to make a real difference :y
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The bottom line is ... what alternatives do we have ? And, in any event, can we safely cast a vote in response to what the election manifesto states?
An an instance, the news is currently full of DC promising to give power back to the ordinary citizen. All weel and good -- however, if they took power they would have us then believe they need spend all of their energies just getting us out of this hole we are in -- nnaturally they would need a second term to deliver on this elections manifesto, by which time some other excuse would have presented itself.
If nothing else the forthcoming election will prove entertaining !!!!
One of the biggest drains on this country are the "career" claimants ... they are spending the money that should be going to better border controls and better facilities all round for "Joe Public". Simplistic I know -- but a start and only the tip of the iceburg, but we need politicians who are willing to address these grass root problems instead of papering over the cracks.
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs. As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries. Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans. No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French. Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!! ::) ::)
BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all! >:( >:(
I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one ::)
I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.
My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.
and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this,
.... but Pete, can they garner sufficient support, when translated into elected seats, to make their mark in any legislature?. Will they have the political maturity to govern in good stead and be responsible to those who seek and require good governance? I'm not sure :-/ :-/
For those people who might be thinking of casting their ballot for such a party in the hope that it will be recognized as a protest vote - they might well have missed an opportunity to elect an official with a greater chance to make a real difference :y
I hope the BNP pick up enough votes to make the major parties take notice that they (BNP) are doing something right.
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote aswell for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a rascist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
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I have been voting for the BNP for ages now and will carrying on doing so.
I have a few black friends so would not call myself racist.
This term Racist is getting beyond a joke to be fair >:(
If I go down the road a call someone a Paki I can get into trouble, why he is from Pakistan? People from Australia get called Aussies whats the difference? Yet they can call us white people whatever they want and get away with it...
As for the war as I have read and heard from my Grandad who was a "Desert Rat" the Yanks came in near the end anyway, they also were supplying the enemy with arms >:( My Grandad could not stand the Americans, I wonder why?
We should be Proud to be British, our Parents and Grandparents fought and went through hardship like none of us can even start to imagine, enough so I think all pensioners should get free electric, gas, be properly looked after... We all owe them this.
A few weeks ago my Nanna's friend who is 86 years old had a knock at the door, she is in a wheelchair so her friend who was visiting answered the door, too foreign looking men barged in pushing her to the room where the lady in the wheelchair was. They demanded £500 from her, she was terrified, told them she had not got that sort of money but she had £100 upstairs. They followed her up as she went on her chairlift. They took the £100 and legged it.
These people are not welcome especially by me.
I would take a bat to these people quite happily making sure they wouldn't be able to leg it again.
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While the BNP sing from the hymn sheet that we all want to hear, there is no disputing whatsoever that they are nothing more than a bunch of racist, hypocritical c0cks.
Talking of c0ck, their glorious leader is no stranger to that himself...which is quite ironic seeing as they quite clearly condemn "batting for the same side" in their manifesto.
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I hope the BNP pick up enough votes to make the major parties take notice that they (BNP) are doing something right.
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.......whatever happens Pete I think that the political structure as we have known it, will change - and we currently bear witness to that very change. We are abound in interesting times :y :y
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While the BNP sing from the hymn sheet that we all want to hear, there is no disputing whatsoever that they are nothing more than a bunch of racist, hypocritical c0cks.
Talking of c0ck, their glorious leader is no stranger to that himself...which is quite ironic seeing as they quite clearly condemn "batting for the same side" in their manifesto.
Know him well do you ::) ;D
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While the BNP sing from the hymn sheet that we all want to hear, there is no disputing whatsoever that they are nothing more than a bunch of racist, hypocritical c0cks.
Talking of c0ck, their glorious leader is no stranger to that himself...which is quite ironic seeing as they quite clearly condemn "batting for the same side" in their manifesto.
Know him well do you ::) ;D
Why reduce your chances by 50%? ;)
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s. All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward. The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object? Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no oppostion can ever exist again!
Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933. ::) ::)
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The first manifesto through my door was for the BNP and I must say that so far he is the only candidate in this area who is prepared to tackle the severe localised coastal erosion we are suffering. For that reason alone he gets my vote, the fact that as I get older (and more cynical) I find myself agreeing with most of their policies is a bonus.
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A police officer was sacked for BNP membership...
http://www.lep.co.uk/merseyside/Police-officer-sacked-in-BNP.5096934.jp
I don't know much about the BNP - neither do I wish to - but - they sound pretty dangerous to me!
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A police officer was sacked for BNP membership...
http://www.lep.co.uk/merseyside/Police-officer-sacked-in-BNP.5096934.jp
I don't know much about the BNP - neither do I wish to - but - they sound pretty dangerous to me!
They could be very dangerous if we let them in. Like the Nazis they will suck good meaning people in to their policies, that have hidden scripts, then once in power destroy the opposition and democracy to put Great Britain through the living hell that the people of Germany went through. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s. All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward. The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object? Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no oppostion can ever exist again!
Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933. ::) ::)
All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward
.......that reminds of the beginnings of certain activity in Northern Ireland in the '70s. A particular individual rose to promenance as the leader of a right wing group dissatisfied with the then situation. This person along with others organised an industrial strike which all but ran out of control.
On one occasion, and on camera, he was answering a reporters question on his apparently pivitol role in the proceedings. He stated with much candor that although he was poorly educated he held a lot of power.
Those comments were representative of the general thought pattern formulated by individuals of similar disposition. It did the province little good - being responsible for decades of truncated thought, intolerance, downright irresponsibility, wasted opportunity and lost lives
That's why we need politically mature canditates who can embrace ideas that reflect the vast array of opinion which now abounds in this country :y
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Lizzie you seem hell bent on getting everyone to agree with you :o
We are entitled to our own opinion be it someone voting Labour, Con, Lib, BNP or the Loo-knee Party :y
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s. All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward. The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object? Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no oppostion can ever exist again!
Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933. ::) ::)
Sorry Lizzie, for the first time I find myself disagreeing with you. When I read the manifesto, it made no mention of "ejecting" anyone. It did say it would offer a financial incentive for some people to leave.
Could the UK nowadays really have any ambitions under any party, to try and rule the world ?. Somehow I doubt it, and if europe did not end any aspirations we may have I am sure the usa would.
As for the same happening here as once happened in Germany, I think the population of europe in general is far to intelligent to let that happen.
Sorry for disagreeing with you. :)
Mike
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Lizzie you seem hell bent on getting everyone to agree with you :o
We are entitled to our own opinion be it someone voting Labour, Con, Lib, BNP or the Loo-knee Party :y
I might well go there my liege ;D :y :y
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s. All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward. The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object? Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no opposition can ever exist again!
Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933. ::) ::)
All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward
.......that reminds of the beginnings of certain activity in Northern Ireland in the '70s. A particular individual rose to prominence as the leader of a right wing group dissatisfied with the then situation. This person along with others organised an industrial strike which all but ran out of control.
On one occasion, and on camera, he was answering a reporters question on his apparently pivotal role in the proceedings. He stated with much candor that although he was poorly educated he held a lot of power.
Those comments were representative of the general thought pattern formulated by individuals of similar disposition. It did the province little good - being responsible for decades of truncated thought, intolerance, downright irresponsibility, wasted opportunity and lost lives
That's why we need politically mature candidates who can embrace ideas which reflect the vast array of opinion which now abounds in this country :y
Absolutely right Zulu, and we need those politicians that recognise Great Britain is an island that needs the trading markets of Europe and the rest of the world. No one can live in isolation, as like many we require exports and imports, along with the financial service industry that is internationally based, to provide the British with an income, goods, services, and, oh yes BNP, food! They talk about "self sufficiency" as though the British can pull up the draw bridge and all survive happily ever more. ::) ::) ::)
As I said earlier in this or another thread, this is 2009, NOT 1889, where the British can live in "splendid isolation". ;) ;)
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s. All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward. The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object? Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no oppostion can ever exist again!
Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933. ::) ::)
Sorry Lizzie, for the first time I find myself disagreeing with you. When I read the manifesto, it made no mention of "ejecting" anyone. It did say it would offer a financial incentive for some people to leave.
Could the UK nowadays really have any ambitions under any party, to try and rule the world ?. Somehow I doubt it, and if europe did not end any aspirations we may have I am sure the usa would.
As for the same happening here as once happened in Germany, I think the population of europe in general is far to intelligent to let that happen.
Sorry for disagreeing with you. :)
Mike
It did say it would offer a financial incentive for some people to leave.
....the important thing to consider is, Mike, what would happen if that financial inducement were to be rejected? :-/ :-/
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Lizzie you seem hell bent on getting everyone to agree with you :o
We are entitled to our own opinion be it someone voting Labour, Con, Lib, BNP or the Loo-knee Party :y
No LK, everyone has the right to vote for who they like or no-one!! :y :y :y :y :y
I have the right to warn people of my fears based on history and contemporary fact. ;) ;)
If you expect me to agree with the BNP's message on an international forum, which preaches the message it does, then sorry I will not! ;) ;)
PS Or are the BNP representatives already trying to shut me up as the Nazis did to their vocal opposition??? ::) ::) ::)
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I am sometimes pleased I know little about politics.... ;D
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A musical interlude to allow time for tea and reflection:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3orrFqFB2pw&feature=related[/media]
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All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote :y
And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.
I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.
I will say no more
I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s. All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward. The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object? Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no opposition can ever exist again!
Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933. ::) ::)
Sorry Lizzie, for the first time I find myself disagreeing with you. When I read the manifesto, it made no mention of "ejecting" anyone. It did say it would offer a financial incentive for some people to leave.
Could the UK nowadays really have any ambitions under any party, to try and rule the world ?. Somehow I doubt it, and if europe did not end any aspirations we may have I am sure the usa would.
As for the same happening here as once happened in Germany, I think the population of europe in general is far to intelligent to let that happen.
Sorry for disagreeing with you. :)
Mike
Not at all Mike, I am glad you are debating this major issue and if the BNP is for you, or anyone else, fine. :y :y :y
Just remember please though how the German Jews, and any other "undesirables" were "encouraged" to leave their country. Many people refused to go, or simply had no where to go, and we know what happened to them! ::) ::)
As said the BNP manifesto is full of apparently reasonable and patriotic rhetoric, but please everyone just consider the hidden messages and the eventual path of such policies. That is all I am saying! ;) ;)
As for the "intelligence" of Europe; let's just say that is why it needs a strong British partner. :D :D ;)
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Lizzie you seem hell bent on getting everyone to agree with you :o
We are entitled to our own opinion be it someone voting Labour, Con, Lib, BNP or the Loo-knee Party :y
No LK, everyone has the right to vote for who they like or no-one!! :y :y :y :y :y
I have the right to warn people of my fears based on history and contemporary fact. ;) ;)
If you expect me to agree with the BNP's message on an international forum, which preaches the message it does, then sorry I will not! ;) ;)
PS Or are the BNP representatives already trying to shut me up as the Nazis did to their vocal opposition??? ::) ::) ::)
You just seem to banging your gums alot about it.
Give it a rest ;)
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Lizzie you seem hell bent on getting everyone to agree with you :o
We are entitled to our own opinion be it someone voting Labour, Con, Lib, BNP or the Loo-knee Party :y
No LK, everyone has the right to vote for who they like or no-one!! :y :y :y :y :y
I have the right to warn people of my fears based on history and contemporary fact. ;) ;)
If you expect me to agree with the BNP's message on an international forum, which preaches the message it does, then sorry I will not! ;) ;)
PS Or are the BNP representatives already trying to shut me up as the Nazis did to their vocal opposition??? ::) ::) ::)
You just seem to banging your gums alot about it.
Give it a rest ;)
No sorry LK I will not all the time the far right are rising in Great Britain and Europe, with certain comments being made in this thread I did not start;) ;) These are dangerous times and not a time for apathetic actions :y :y.
When the pro-BNP support stops on the forum then I will shut up! 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
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Well i think we all know there not going to form a government - but maybe just maybe if enough vote for them the big two will considor their immigration policies....
That seems to be what uk folk want. If i thought it would do any good i would vote for them.....
And if the BNP win seats - whats really wrong with that? It would seen some folk want it... and thats democracy.
Are we just going to ban them or ignore their votes :-X
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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And if the BNP win seats - whats really wrong with that? It would seen some folk want it... and thats democracy.
Absolutely right Mark.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me
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Actually I don't think of those parties as far right as they are actually quite socialist on some of their policies
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personnal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just suprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
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And if the BNP win seats - whats really wrong with that? It would seen some folk want it... and thats democracy.
Absolutely right Mark.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me
Heard that one before buddy :y Understand where your coming from, but we cant have selective democracy...
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And if the BNP win seats - whats really wrong with that? It would seen some folk want it... and thats democracy.
Absolutely right Mark.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me
Heard that one before buddy :y Understand where your coming from, but we cant have selective democracy...
we cant have selective democracy
...but we can have a democratic process based on maturity, imagination and the ability to encompass a broad church of opinion, Mark
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
I think its no more than debate :y which is healthy ;)
I`m sure you have had many in your seminars & lectures, i know i did when i could be bothered turning up ;D
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Ditto --- it will be a favour for no-one Lizzie
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Ditto --- it will be a favour for no-one Lizzie
No, you can't go, I will never view the Sweeney in the same light if you are not around.............. :D :D :D
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All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......
Your "protest" vote will last 3 years :(
You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.
And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.
"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" .. :(
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Ditto --- it will be a favour for no-one Lizzie
No, you can't go, I will never view the Sweeney in the same light if you are not around.............. :D :D :D
Mmmmmm - very, very interesting Vamps
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Let's have a little commonsense here. ;)
The BNP is a legitimate political party, with whose policies I largely disagree. Those who brand them Nazis miss the point that the real Nazis were in fact National Socialists. Still, as I've often said, politics is a circle: if you go far enough on one wing you'll meet the extreme of the other wing.
If the BNP do well (and, personally I hope they don't but UKIP do!), it is because the other mainstream parties have failed. Hearing mainstream politicians bleating on about the BNP is pretty appalling as they have driven many disaffected voters towards them, no matter how extreme their policies are to most people. We now live in an increasingly totalitarian society, where integration has meant the erosion of traditions and values, where political correctness is enforced by laws, where people are discouraged from showing any form of national pride (such as respecting our armed forces) and, finally, where 90% of our laws emanate from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Where is the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?
No, any successes by the BNP will not reflect the successful sale of its policies, but the dismal - truly dismal - failures of Labour in particular, but also Conservative and Lib Dem politicians, to understand the aspirations of the populace. For that they need to hang their heads in shame.
I do not support the BNP's policies in any way, but I support its right to exist as a political party. Any attempt to gag them is, of course, as odious as sections of their manifesto. Plus, of course, the more mainstream (and seemingly endemically untrustworthy) politicians rail against them, the more their support will grow.
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Ditto --- it will be a favour for no-one Lizzie
No, you can't go, I will never view the Sweeney in the same light if you are not around.............. :D :D :D
Mmmmmm - very, very interesting Vamps
It's a long story............... :D :D :D
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All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......
Your "protest" vote will last 3 years :(
You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.
And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.
"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" .. :(
That might well be the clincher Entwood :y :y
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
Just wondering why your playing that card again? There really is no need for it.
Wars have been started over Politics and Religion, I personally don't want things getting out of hand again, if I remember you thought the same the last time this happened..
Going back to the dissapearing thing... I have laughed and enjoyed alot of your posts but I sure aint going to be running and begging people to stop :)
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I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...
do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
:(
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All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......
Your "protest" vote will last 3 years :(
You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.
And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.
"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" .. :(
Yes, but these are principally European elections and MEPs don't implement policies, the EU bureaucracy does that. MEPs just get paid loads of money to show up occasionally in between junkets. ;) :(
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Let's have a little commonsense here. ;)
The BNP is a legitimate political party, with whose policies I largely disagree. Those who brand them Nazis miss the point that the real Nazis were in fact National Socialists. Still, as I've often said, politics is a circle: if you go far enough on one wing you'll meet the extreme of the other wing.
If the BNP do well (and, personally I hope they don't but UKIP do!), it is because the other mainstream parties have failed. Hearing mainstream politicians bleating on about the BNP is pretty appalling as they have driven many disaffected voters towards them, no matter how extreme their policies are to most people. We now live in an increasingly totalitarian society, where integration has meant the erosion of traditions and values, where political correctness is enforced by laws, where people are discouraged from showing any form of national pride (such as respecting our armed forces) and, finally, where 90% of our laws emanate from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Where is the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?
I do not support the BNP's policies in any way, but I support its right to exist as a political party. Any attempt to gag them is, of course, as odious as sections of their manifesto. Plus, of course, the more mainstream (and seemingly endemically untrustworthy) politicians rail against them, the more their support will grow.[/quote
No, any successes by the BNP will not reflect the successful sale of its policies, but the dismal - truly dismal - failures of Labour in particular, but also Conservative and Lib Dem politicians, to understand the aspirations of the populace. For that they need to hang their heads in shame.
A devastatingly simple and uncomplicated statement of truth :y :y
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I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...
do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
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I refer the Honourable Member from Perth to my post at 10.49. ;) ;D
Far right/far left: just the same and they ride on the failures of the mainstream. The mainstream parties are therefore culpable.
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I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...
do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
:(
I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.
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I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...
do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
:(
I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.
and I would be ashamed of this country if the BNP ever became more than the small (and small-minded) minority party it is now :(
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I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...
do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
:(
I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.
and I would be ashamed of this country if the BNP ever became more than the small (and small-minded) minority party it is now :(
I think many already are ashamed of the state of the nation :(
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All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......
Your "protest" vote will last 3 years :(
You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.
And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.
"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" .. :(
. ;) :(
Yes, but these are principally European elections and MEPs don't implement policies, the EU bureaucracy does that. MEPs just get paid loads of money to show up occasionally in between junkets
........true Nick but they suckle at the teat of the bureaucracy thereby perpetuating its life force by learning and eventually broadcasting the rancid seeds of that wretched creature :y
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I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...
do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
:(
I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.
and I would be ashamed of this country if the BNP ever became more than the small (and small-minded) minority party it is now :(
My Grandparents like thousands of others Grandparents have fought for this Country, worked in ammunitions etc etc... I think they have the right more than us to be ashamed, ask your own grandparents what they think!
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A good comment from Richard Littlejohn:
"However superficially attractive some of their policies may appear, they are a nasty bunch of Toytown Nazis who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the levers of power.
What always amuses me, though, is the way the established parties use the BNP as a bogeyman to threaten the electorate.
In effect, they're saying: 'We may be a gang of unprincipled crooks but if you don't vote for us you're going to let in a team of fascists.'
If the BNP did not exist, mainstream politicians would have to invent them."
Quite, Mr Littlejohn.
http://[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1187508/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-If-caught-stealing-work-wed-arrested-So-Alistair-Darling.html[/url]
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A good comment from Richard Littlejohn:
"However superficially attractive some of their policies may appear, they are a nasty bunch of Toytown Nazis who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the levers of power.
What always amuses me, though, is the way the established parties use the BNP as a bogeyman to threaten the electorate.
In effect, they're saying: 'We may be a gang of unprincipled crooks but if you don't vote for us you're going to let in a team of fascists.'
If the BNP did not exist, mainstream politicians would have to invent them."
Quite, Mr Littlejohn.
http://[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1187508/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-If-caught-stealing-work-wed-arrested-So-Alistair-Darling.html[/url]
for the first time in my life - i find myself agreeing with Richard Littlejohn :-/
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
they're certainly guilty of bad habits ;)
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
You're being a bit naughty there Nick ;D ;D Shall I provide the flammable liquid?
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
they're certainly guilty of bad habits ;)
Now you're cookin' bannjaxx ;D ;D ;D :y
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
they're certainly guilty of bad habits ;)
Now you're cookin' bannjaxx ;D ;D ;D :y
the 65 year old - is he nun the wiser? ;D
sorry ;)
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
You're being a bit naughty there Nick ;D ;D Shall I provide the flammable liquid?
Tut, tut, the things I say when I've had wee dram. :D ;) ;D
(Does Carlsberg count as a "wee dram"?) ::)
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
You're being a bit naughty there Nick ;D ;D Shall I provide the flammable liquid?
Tut, tut, the things I say when I've had wee dram. :D ;) ;D
(Does Carlsberg count as a "wee dram"?) ::)
I would think it counts as a big dram Nick but salut! in any case :y :y
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You too, Zulu! :y
Hic. :D
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
Wot,again? ::) :D
UKIP for me(if I bother that is)purely to try to pull the Tories back to the right where they belong. :y
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I for 1 hope the BNP do well.
I was attacked by 5 people of afganistan origin whilst living in tividale (about 5 years ago). My landlord at the time was the postmaster of ethnic origin and i was on my way to the post office. As i walked around the corner they attacked me for no reason what so ever. They broke my nose left cheek bone and two very bruised black eyes.
What did the police do?
[/b]They tried to do me for a racist atack![/b]
If it wasnot for the chinese lady from the local takeout they would of (she made a statement saying that they attacked me.)
We should adopt the same policies as australia etc if they are self sufficiant then fair enough and WE SHOULD LEAVE THE E.U.
This country treats all poeple unequally.
Some thing for you to listen to the words of and see if they are right (i think you will find they are quite true) Especially in wolverhampton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZbOjeyJaDk&feature=related
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I for 1 hope the BNP do well.
I was attacked by 5 people of afganistan origin whilst living in tividale (about 5 years ago). My landlord at the time was the postmaster of ethnic origin and i was on my way to the post office. As i walked around the corner they attacked me for no reason what so ever. They broke my nose left cheek bone and two very bruised black eyes.
What did the police do?
[/b]They tried to do me for a racist atack![/b]
If it wasnot for the chinese lady from the local takeout they would of (she made a statement saying that they attacked me.)
We should adopt the same policies as australia etc if they are self sufficiant then fair enough and WE SHOULD LEAVE THE E.U.
This country treats all poeple unequally.
Some thing for you to listen to the words of and see if they are right (i think you will find they are quite true) Especially in wolverhampton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZbOjeyJaDk&feature=related
and if you'd been jumped by 5 white youths what then? really don't get your point - are you saying that because some people of a certain ethnicity attacked you that makes it clear in your mind that they are all like that? i envy you your certainty - is life really that simple? wow.
i know several people who have been attacked in Glasgow - so all Glaswegians are dangerous - i see now!!
Perth has had its fair share of violence too - so round up the whole town and ship em out!
I think you're on to something here m8 :y
it all becomes so clear when you close your mind ;)
by the way, watched the youtube clip - same lies peddled by right wing extremists and a large section of the press - in my experience people willing to listen to the BNP very rarely listen to the facts but I'll bore you with them anyway.............
"Foreign nationals seeking asylum in the UK may be eligible for asylum support – a benefit that provides financial assistance - to purchase necessary everyday items such as food, toiletries and clothing - and/or accommodation. Recipients must sign an agreement confirming that they will comply with various immigration and other requirements – if they breach the agreement the support may be withdrawn.
The current levels of financial support available range between £33.39 per week for a single person aged 18 to 24 and £42.16 for a single person aged 25 or over. Different rates apply to children under 18, couples and mothers with young children or who are pregnant. Accommodation is available in the North West, North East, Midlands, Scotland and Wales. There are some places in the South East but none in London and applicants have no choice about the region where they are accommodated."
source:http://www.aboutimmigration.co.uk/facts-asylum-applications-uk.html
sorry bud - £42 a week doesn't buy many leather jackets
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I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?
That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs. As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries. Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans. No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French. Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!! ::) ::)
BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all! >:( >:(
Have to agree with the above highlighted, problem is, we're arrogant buggers and don't like change, we just want it as it's always been, I grew up with many different BRITISH kids, from Italian, Jamaican, Chinese, Pakistani families that came here after the war or in the 50's as "bus drivers" just because our fore fathers were to up their own ar5es to lower theirselves to drive a Routemaster. These people are BRITISH too by birthright.
Problem is, and no disrespect to anyone who thinks this way, some of the people afore mentioned, though BRITISH they deny it and say that they are, e.g. Pakistani's... wrong! they are BRITISH! They pay tax in BRITAIN. Why the divide? Why not lets all live together in harmony, b0ll0cks to Nick Griffin he really angers me, put a mustache on him, who've you got?
ADOLF F****** HITLER
And to sumarize:
Which ever government gets in, they need to tighten up imigration policies straight away, they also need to financially control the population, benefit for up to two kids only, any bigger families can fund theirselves... Sh1te, now I've pi55ed the Irish off ::)
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
What's this, agree with me or i'm off. I wish our polititions were like you Lizzie.
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Well, having read all these posts in this thread I have now decided to vote for my fellow scotsman (one eyed) mate Gordon Brown :P :y
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
they're certainly guilty of bad habits ;)
I`m getting cross, it seems British society is losing the last vestments of decency and is teetering on the abbess! ;D
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
they're certainly guilty of bad habits ;)
I`m getting cross, it seems British society is losing the last vestments of decency and is teetering on the abbess! ;D
You becoming religious on us, or did you mean abyss ;D
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Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? ;) ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html
they're certainly guilty of bad habits ;)
I`m getting cross, it seems British society is losing the last vestments of decency and is teetering on the abbess! ;D
You becoming religious on us, or did you mean abyss ;D
::) Nun story: Cross, vestment....abbess; gettit? ;D
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Firstly.......come on boys and girls, play nicely on this thread. ::)
I have to say that most of my voting life I've voted Tory for what little good its done, but one pattern always emerges and that is when the Tories are in and make a hash of thing, Labour get in. When Labour get in and make a hash of things the Tories get back in. And so it goes on.....Tory, Labour, Tory Labour. The result is that neither of these parties could run a p1ss up in a brewery let alone the country.
We now have a situation where we are constantly bullied by Europe, British nationals are treated like second class citizens while immigrants are welcomed with open arms and given all the handouts going, parents, police, teachers etc. are no longer allowed to discipline unruly children or teenagers resulting in unprecedented crime and anarchy in some areas, and I could go on and on about just how bad things have become.
For the first time in my life I really am considering voting BNP. I don't believe as some people have mentioned on here that they are the bunch of thugs or Nazis they once had a reputation for being. This is the 21st Century and I think to liken BNP to Hitlers facist Germany of pre WW2 is living in the past.
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We live in one of the greatest democracies in the world, well we did until we got an unelected foreigner as PM. Why do I call him a foreigner ? Can you imagine the Scots having an Englishman as their leader ?Not a chance, so why should the Scots have any say in England? Anyway, back to my point, the BNP, whether you agree with their policies or not, are an established, legitimate party, have met all the rules and are perfectly entitled to stand for election. The first time a party is banned because their views are not the same as the other parties is the end of democracy. Let the voters decide. They may have some different views but the Labour shower are playing into their hands with their lies( we were promised a referendum on the Lisbon treaty )misuse of public money ( too many examples to list here )and the will to give Billions of pounds to those who have paid nothing into the system etc. etc. Has anyone seen the queues at Patras in Greece on the news, thousands of Afghans trying to board ferries to make their way here? We don't know who they are or what their intentions are, yet nothing is done to discourage them. The BNP say that they will put an end to this and it is gaining support from the electorate, they are doing what all of the other parties have done for years, preying on the popular issues and winning votes for doing it. It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
Just wondering why your playing that card again? There really is no need for it.
Wars have been started over Politics and Religion, I personally don't want things getting out of hand again, if I remember you thought the same the last time this happened..
Going back to the dissapearing thing... I have laughed and enjoyed alot of your posts but I sure aint going to be running and begging people to stop :)
I am not "playing" at anything LK! >:( >:( >:( I do not waste my energies in that way, and I aim to appeal to no one, just to honour my conscience and freedom to express politely my beliefs.
Just because I have the audacity to again put up political argument over an extremely serious issue for this country and its people, that I know many are very concerned about, I once again receive orders to shut up or as you stated "give it a rest".
If you cannot stick with this type of serious thread LK, I suggest you stick to talking about washing machines and pink things SORRY LK my frustration is coming out there in a stupid comment not just aimed at you!! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;). I however will continue to argue as much as I want in this democratic country that this forum lives in. As others have said this is healthy, but for those who do not like it as you obviously do not LK (I know what you mean about Politics & Religion LK, but sometimes some of us have to get fully involved in such discussion :y :y), then my advise is DO NOT READ THEM, then you will not become upset.
But, as I originally said LK if it is decided political debate is not welcomed on here, then quite willing I will disappear because it will become no more than a sterile car forum. This is no "playing a card" threat, just a statement of fact. If that is what all members want fine, but judging how "General Chat" is such a popular section with some really juicy subjects for adults being discussed, I do not believe that is actually what they want, BNP supporters or not!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
What's this, agree with me or i'm off. I wish our polititions were like you Lizzie.
Sorry, but that is not what I said Pete. I was answering the accusation that I again was "banging on" about politics and my views, and should "give it a rest". I counter argued that I will exercise my right to express my feelings, whilst accepting others can do likewise in our democratic society. However, my main point over me going was that if such political discussion was banned on the oof I would do everyone a favour and disappear as it would become no more that a sterile car forum, like so many other lesser ones! ;) ;) ;)
I am here until a) I am chucked off for being too vocal, which I do not appoligise for b) the OOF bans the General Chat area to political debate; c) the OOF closes down, or d) I receive anymore direct personal insult out of line with the OOF Guidelines, just because I do not agree with everyone. Sorry, but I have never been like that socially or in business, achieving high success because I was not a "yes" woman.
Finally I am fed up of defending myself just because I whole heartedly enter into a debate using experience, knowledge and my own conscience. Please forget about me as a person in these political debates; the message is what is all important. 8-) 8-) :D :D ;)
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet! ;D ;D ;D ;D We may be spared yet! :D :D ;)
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet! ;D ;D ;D ;D We may be spared yet! :D :D ;)
Your welcome Lizzie.
Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
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And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
First highlight, yes I would agree wholeheartedly.
As for the rest I partially agree, but what choice are we left with ? no mainstream party is seams able or willing to do what a large chunk of the population seams to want. The recent revelations in the telegraph seam to prove they are only out to feather thier nest and stuff the rest of the country. I personally am only left with 2 legal options, not to vote or vote for a real outsider in the hope it will shake things up. I thought about not voting, but I have allways voted. ukip is just what the tories used to be and is splitting the tory vote and possibly allowing gordon brown back in.
I am sorry but can someone suggest a legal way of protesting against a corrupt system.
I have only voted for them for the MEP, not local and will not in a general election.
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Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid :(
Thank you LK for that personal insult. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with :(
This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars. In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.
In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear. ;) ;) ;)
Just wondering why your playing that card again? There really is no need for it.
Wars have been started over Politics and Religion, I personally don't want things getting out of hand again, if I remember you thought the same the last time this happened..
Going back to the dissapearing thing... I have laughed and enjoyed alot of your posts but I sure aint going to be running and begging people to stop :)
I am not "playing" at anything LK! >:( >:( >:( I do not waste my energies in that way, and I aim to appeal to no one, just to honour my conscience and freedom to express politely my beliefs.
Just because I have the audacity to again put up political argument over an extremely serious issue for this country and its people, that I know many are very concerned about, I once again receive orders to shut up or as you stated "give it a rest".
If you cannot stick with this type of serious thread LK, I suggest you stick to talking about washing machines and pink things. I however will continue to argue as much as I want in this democratic country that this forum lives in. As others have said this is healthy, but for those who do not like it as you obviously do not LK, then my advise is DO NOT READ THEM, then you will not become upset.
But, as I originally said LK if it is decided political debate is not welcomed on here, then quite willing I will disappear because it will become no more than a sterile car forum. This is no "playing a card" threat, just a statement of fact. If that is what all members want fine, but judging how "General Chat" is such a popular section with some really juicy subjects for adults being discussed, I do not believe that is actually what they want, BNP supporters or not!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
extremely serious issue for this country and its people
.......that fact cannot be stressed enough Ms Zoom and it's incumbent, on those of us who recognize it to be accurate, to consider ourselves entitled, and indeed duty bound, to publish it :y
I however will continue to argue as much as I want in this democratic country that this forum lives in.
.......as you must Mz Zoom, members of this forum need have no fear of such well reasoned and balanced arguments. Long may you continue to apply that reason :y :y
"General Chat" is such a popular section with some really juicy subjects for adults being discussed, I do not believe that is actually what they want, BNP supporters or not!!
......I heartily agree Ms Zoom, this section compliments the forum immensely. I am always impressed by the humour, the technical knowledge and the desire of members to discuss most subjects - but more importantly, the willingness to offer assistance to others who are in need.
That's the true worth of this group - but it would be a lesser worth if this General Chat section was not populated by individuals such as your good self who were prepared to discuss any relevant matter in a reasoned and open-minded way:y :y
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet! ;D ;D ;D ;D We may be spared yet! :D :D ;)
Your welcome Lizzie.
Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.
Well spoken Chris :y :y :y
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet! ;D ;D ;D ;D We may be spared yet! :D :D ;)
Your welcome Lizzie.
Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.
Oh believe it, and believe it or not I predict a big increase in the amount of people who vote for the BNP.
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Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.
Oh believe it, and believe it or not I predict a big increase in the amount of people who vote for the BNP.
Irrespective of the outcome Pete this a pivotal point in the political process and the outcome might well have severe ramifications on the domestic front for some time to come :y :y
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
Am I not allowed my opinion like everyone else? What has it do do with anyone on here who I vote for or not?
As for being uncalled for telling Lizzie "to give it a rest" I frankly don't give a toss what anyone else makes of that, like it or lump it I afraid.
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It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?
Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?
Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.
And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.
Am I not allowed my opinion like everyone else? What has it do do with anyone on here who I vote for or not?
As for being uncalled for telling Lizzie "to give it a rest" I frankly don't give a toss what anyone else makes of that, like it or lump it I afraid.
I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Vadar :y.
Those that dont want or like BNP can simply choose not to vote for them. Those that do care for them can vote for them.
Neither side has the right to condem or insult the other over their choice.
Politics is all about diversity, debate, and from time to time agreeing to disagree.
Like Elite Pete I think massive inroads will be made by this Political Party very very soon.
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Frankly I have difficulty believing some of what's written here.
The hatred piled on the BNP by some is the same as the hatred piled on foreigners by the BNP. The BNP says that foreigners are a threat, whilst others say that the BNP is a threat. The common denominator is, sadly, hatred.
As I said earlier on here, the Nazis were national socialists and were united by Hitler through hatred of Jews, Gypsies and anyone considered non-Ayrian. It is simply bonkers to equate the BNP with gas chambers and the like. Yes, their policies are not supported by me, but I can quite understand why they attract support. The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain. Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good. The mainstream parties and the liberal elite have done their utmost to belittle the UK and its people and make them subservient to the EU. A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times.
The BNP's policies of repatriation are wrong for a variety of reasons, but no one should be under any illusion that immigration is not a major issue amongst large swathes of the electorate. It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.
The upcoming elections are mainly for MEPs (with some shire council elections as well). The BNP will not be elected in any numbers great enough to implement national policies, so all this talk of the UK turning into a clone of Nazi Germany is total hogwash. What a vote for a minor party will do, however, is to send a very strong signal to the mainstream political classes that a sea change is needed in British politics. It is now up to the three major parties to win back the disaffected voters and that will require, amongst other things, addressing the issue of immigration. They will not do that by merely slagging off the BNP, indeed they are likely to increase the BNP support. The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.
Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake.
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Frankly I have difficulty believing some of what's written here.
The hatred piled on the BNP by some is the same as the hatred piled on foreigners by the BNP. The BNP says that foreigners are a threat, whilst others say that the BNP is a threat. The common denominator is, sadly, hatred.
As I said earlier on here, the Nazis were national socialists and were united by Hitler through hatred of Jews, Gypsies and anyone considered non-Ayrian. It is simply bonkers to equate the BNP with gas chambers and the like. Yes, their policies are not supported by me, but I can quite understand why they attract support. The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain. Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good. The mainstream parties and the liberal elite have done their utmost to belittle the UK and its people and make them subservient to the EU. A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times.
The BNP's policies of repatriation are wrong for a variety of reasons, but no one should be under any illusion that immigration is not a major issue amongst large swathes of the electorate. It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.
The upcoming elections are mainly for MEPs (with some shire council elections as well). The BNP will not be elected in any numbers great enough to implement national policies, so all this talk of the UK turning into a clone of Nazi Germany is total hogwash. What a vote for a minor party will do, however, is to send a very strong signal to the mainstream political classes that a sea change is needed in British politics. It is now up to the three major parties to win back the disaffected voters and that will require, amongst other things, addressing the issue of immigration. They will not do that by merely slagging off the BNP, indeed they are likely to increase the BNP support. The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.
Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake.
The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain
......but many others, more balanced, more socially and politically aware might want a return to a Britain great with imagination, flair, tolerance and a desire to dothe best for it's people - not for any jingoistic or fevered national ideal - but because that's what responsible government is all about :y
Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good.
.......that's why an elected administration must have the will and good intent to ensure that those goals fall within reach so that everyone can be the benificiary:y
A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times
.....without such aspirations this country might devolve into common fiefdoms with all the chaos and misery that would bring. :y
It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.
.....and this reflects the apathy experienced when a jaded administration, and the political process in general, loses it's way, becomes incestous and devolves itself of responsibility. The country must be governed by common consent, however in the end, there can be no pleasing each and every individual - and the culture of trying to accomodate every demand, for whatever trendy reason, leads only to confusion and gross incompetance. :y
The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.
.......would that people had the desire to do so in a rational way :-/ :-/
Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake.
......as experienced in light of how this topic has developed perhaps? ::) ::)
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there is a missing level to the process we find ourselves in. Fear, and is where it starts. Fear of invasion. Fear of loosing what is ours. Fear of assault, liberty, the unknown. What ever the reason, its fear that starts it, turns to hatred and then MASSIVE OVER REACTION.
I see fear in both sides of this debate. Fear in where we are going on our current path, some justifiable, some not. And fear in where we will end up if the bnp, by some nightmare, get in to power.
Whatever situation we have now, can only be made worse by adding nationalism to the mix. They may well behave for a while once in power, though i doubt it. But inevitably there will be chaos. How can there not be, its what you voted for.
Its obvious the bnp will get extra support it seems but, if they ever get in, those that trust these thugs to behave.... Well, how green is that.? Or maybe you intend joining in?
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there is a missing level to the process we find ourselves in. Fear, and is where it starts. Fear of invasion. Fear of loosing what is ours. Fear of assault, liberty, the unknown. What ever the reason, its fear that starts it, turns to hatred and then MASSIVE OVER REACTION.
I see fear in both sides of this debate. Fear in where we are going on our current path, some justifiable, some not. And fear in where we will end up if the bnp, by some nightmare, get in to power.
Whatever situation we have now, can only be made worse by adding nationalism to the mix. How can there not be, its what you voted for.
Its obvious the bnp will get extra support it seems but, if they ever get in, those that trust these thugs to behave.... Well, how green is that.? Or maybe you intend joining in?
They may well behave for a while once in power, though i doubt it. But inevitably there will be chaos.
.......and if anyone doubts that take a look at a plan view of the map showing the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - the top part of the island off the the mainland.
Such movements were evident there decades ago when people became dissatisfied with the status quo. Groups on each side supported their version of radical change. It resulted in chaos, fear, loathing and sinister development.
In reality it produced decades of wasted development and a bunker mentality which is only now being brought under control and exposed for the undesirable thing that it was and still is.
It happens so easily - the intention is never to go too far but inevitabily, when fervor replaces considered judgement, the results are written in history - and some of those very pages lie for all to see - on the scarred streets of a place not too far away from we presently are.
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They will be getting my vote,and I am not a racist.I am a manual worker who has been forced to work my nuts off for very little in the last few years,this been down to the influx of Croatians,Polish and every other bugger coming in to our country and undercutting us,they wouldn't like us to do that in there country.BNP for me
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Come on surely you can see the common likenesses ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Vote for Keeley Hawes, she's great in Ashes to Ashes :y
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Come on surely you can see the common likenesses ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/davec1999/Keeley3.jpg)
Vote for Keeley Hawes, she's great in Ashes to Ashes :y
Well that does it for me now, I know who I am voting for now :y
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::) Ja wohl, mein Führer! ::)
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Having said that, look who she's in alliance with :-X
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The UKIP leader has just been speaking about the BNP on question time,according to him it states in article 2 of the BNP rulebook that no Black person can be a member of the party,if this is true then they are indeed an old fashioned racist party and imo it would be wrong to vote for them,so the alternative or protest vote is best placed with UKIP.
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The UKIP leader has just been speaking about the BNP on question time,according to him it states in article 2 of the BNP rulebook that no Black person can be a member of the party,if this is true then they are indeed an old fashioned racist party and imo it would be wrong to vote for them,so the alternitive or protest vote is best placed with UKIP.
I can't believe it, Albs! I saw the same programme and tried a Google search to see if I could verify that claim (I couldn't!). However, I assume it to be true. I therefore, would like to point out that in this earlier in this thread I stated that the BNP had a right to exist as a party. However, if it is true that Black or Asian people are barred from holding office within the party, I retract those comments and suggest that the BNP is racist and does not have a right to represent the electorate. >:(
Like Albs, UKIP seem to match most closely my current views. :y
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Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/
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Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/
Hmm, Farage is no dope. It's a very straightforward claim. Either Article 2 does preclude Blacks and Asians or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it would be a might y big porky to tell a week before the elections. :-/
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if you can find a bnp rulebook,only issued to members apparantly
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Thinking aloud, does a political party have to abide by employment rules? I don't think so, I believe they are like voluntary associations, which can preclude anyone they like.
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if you can find a bnp rulebook,only issued to members apparantly
Aha! Good point.
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Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/
Hmm, Farage is no dope. It's a very straightforward claim. Either Article 2 does preclude Blacks and Asians or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it would be a might y big porky to tell a week before the elections. :-/
True,I,m quite curious,would be interesting to know for sure. :-/
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Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/
Hmm, Farage is no dope. It's a very straightforward claim. Either Article 2 does preclude Blacks and Asians or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it would be a might y big porky to tell a week before the elections. :-/
True,I,m quite curious,would be interesting to know for sure. :-/
Yes, Albs, me too. It makes a big difference (not that they would have got my vote anyway), but it is important to know if you're discussing politics. :y
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well like you when i heard it on question time i "googled" it and came up with zilch
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Well I have decided that I may not vote at all now :y...I might just go for a pint instead :D
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Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/
Hmm, Farage is no dope. It's a very straightforward claim. Either Article 2 does preclude Blacks and Asians or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it would be a might y big porky to tell a week before the elections. :-/
True,I,m quite curious,would be interesting to know for sure. :-/
Yes, Albs, me too. It makes a big difference (not that they would have got my vote anyway), but it is important to know if you're discussing politics. :y
They requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group. The party does not regard non-white people as being ethnically British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalised British citizens.
Whites only, (sorry Gurkhas - wrong colour chaps)
they really are a bunch of nazis i'm afraid whether people have to pretend they're not to stomach voting for them is a matter for their conscience :(
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Vote [size=18]KEELEY HAWES [/size]I tell you !
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Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/
Hmm, Farage is no dope. It's a very straightforward claim. Either Article 2 does preclude Blacks and Asians or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it would be a might y big porky to tell a week before the elections. :-/
True,I,m quite curious,would be interesting to know for sure. :-/
Yes, Albs, me too. It makes a big difference (not that they would have got my vote anyway), but it is important to know if you're discussing politics. :y
They requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group. The party does not regard non-white people as being ethnically British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalised British citizens.
Whites only, (sorry Gurkhas - wrong colour chaps)
they really are a bunch of nazis i'm afraid whether people have to pretend they're not to stomach voting for them is a matter for their conscience :(
Exactly, and that is why I was so vocal earlier in this thread! :y :y :y :y
Definition of racism:
"(Belief in, adherence to, or advocacy of) the theory that all members of each race possess characteristicts, abilities, qualities, etc, specific to that race, esp. distinguishing it as inferior or superior to another race or races; prejudice, descrimination, or antagonism based on this" Shorter Oxford English Dictionary Volume II Oxford University Press (2007)
The BNP don't fit this with their policies? They don't deny the Holocaust? ::) ::) ::) ::)
PS My families background, on both parents side, was Jewish. I vow never again!
.....and if you want some more information, although I accept biased but quoting fact, then look at this site:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Profile-of-Nick-Griffin.php
::) ::)
If you can, read Hitler's Mein Kampf and spot the similar themes! :-X :-X :-X
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i sense a disturbance on the " Dark Side"...? :-)
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..........and to help Mein Kampf is on the internet:
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
Ignore the rantings about the Versailles Treaty, the 'November criminals' and all things unique to the German situation then (my copy1939) and compare the anti foreigner, anti communist, anti semitic, anti everything non-German stance. The message was still often hidden however on what was to come, as is the message of the BNP. Don't forget the image portrayed of Hitler in the mid 1930s was of a peace loving, very reasonable man! Then the mask slipped in 1939. :-X :-X :-X
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And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?
Unfortunately yes - none of the main 3 parties have come up with a workable answer to the problems that arise from mass, unchecked immigration. An Australian points type system may work in Oz, but our political leaders in the UK haven't got the balls to do it here. Immigration is not the only issue at the moment, Labour have really made a mess of the UK in many areas, I don't know what the answers are but in my opinion Labour don't have the answers either. I say again, the BNP are winning votes because they are saying what people want to hear ( all parties do the same by the way ) and then don't carry out their promises, will the BNP be any different, could they actually form a government? The British sense of fair play and tolerance will not allow the BNP to make any serious in-roads, but we all have our limits, and the current government have used up all of their " Get out of jail free cards ". The BNP's gains ( if any ) should be a massive wake up call to whichever party is elected, that's assuming we are allowed an election.
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Frankly I have difficulty believing some of what's written here.
The hatred piled on the BNP by some is the same as the hatred piled on foreigners by the BNP. The BNP says that foreigners are a threat, whilst others say that the BNP is a threat. The common denominator is, sadly, hatred.
As I said earlier on here, the Nazis were national socialists and were united by Hitler through hatred of Jews, Gypsies and anyone considered non-Ayrian. It is simply bonkers to equate the BNP with gas chambers and the like. Yes, their policies are not supported by me, but I can quite understand why they attract support. The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain. Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good. The mainstream parties and the liberal elite have done their utmost to belittle the UK and its people and make them subservient to the EU. A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times.
The BNP's policies of repatriation are wrong for a variety of reasons, but no one should be under any illusion that immigration is not a major issue amongst large swathes of the electorate. It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.
The upcoming elections are mainly for MEPs (with some shire council elections as well). The BNP will not be elected in any numbers great enough to implement national policies, so all this talk of the UK turning into a clone of Nazi Germany is total hogwash. What a vote for a minor party will do, however, is to send a very strong signal to the mainstream political classes that a sea change is needed in British politics. It is now up to the three major parties to win back the disaffected voters and that will require, amongst other things, addressing the issue of immigration. They will not do that by merely slagging off the BNP, indeed they are likely to increase the BNP support. The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.
Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake.
Hear Hear!!!!!! Well said.
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..........and to help Mein Kampf is on the internet:
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
Ignore the rantings about the Versailles Treaty, the 'November criminals' and all things unique to the German situation then (my copy1939) and compare the anti foreigner, anti communist, anti semitic, anti everything non-German stance. The message was still often hidden however on what was to come, as is the message of the BNP. Don't forget the image portrayed of Hitler in the mid 1930s was of a peace loving, very reasonable man! Then the mask slipped in 1939. :-X :-X :-X
As it always does Ms Zoom and the evidence can be found littering recent history.
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Personnally I dont think I will vote this time, yes it might seem wrong but my opinion off polititons is very low .I will admit that ive never really had much time for them as they all seem to say the things that they think we want to hear, but when push comes to shove they all tow the party line and trot out all the platitudes in the world.The classic example being the death penalty for certain crimes , I bet if you put a poll amongst the voters to return it .a lot would want it back but the elected members start on about oh we cant do this as its against EU policy and will contravine the human rights of the offenders and a host of other excuses to boot. Sorry that is a bit of a simplistic view ,amongst my circle of work colleagues (truck drivers) was a unriten rule of "no politics or religon"
Ps some one put a comment about the situation in Patras , Greece I can assure you its nothing new been like that for the last 15 -20 years it was going on when i used to drive to greece all those years ago
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To be honest BNP or UKIP are getting my vote
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I have been voting for the BNP for ages now and will carrying on doing so.
I have a few black friends so would not call myself racist.
This term Racist is getting beyond a joke to be fair >:(
If I go down the road a call someone a Paki I can get into trouble, why he is from Pakistan? People from Australia get called Aussies whats the difference? Yet they can call us white people whatever they want and get away with it...
As for the war as I have read and heard from my Grandad who was a "Desert Rat" the Yanks came in near the end anyway, they also were supplying the enemy with arms >:( My Grandad could not stand the Americans, I wonder why?
We should be Proud to be British, our Parents and Grandparents fought and went through hardship like none of us can even start to imagine, enough so I think all pensioners should get free electric, gas, be properly looked after... We all owe them this.
A few weeks ago my Nanna's friend who is 86 years old had a knock at the door, she is in a wheelchair so her friend who was visiting answered the door, too foreign looking men barged in pushing her to the room where the lady in the wheelchair was. They demanded £500 from her, she was terrified, told them she had not got that sort of money but she had £100 upstairs. They followed her up as she went on her chairlift. They took the £100 and legged it.
These people are not welcome especially by me.
I would take a bat to these people quite happily making sure they wouldn't be able to leg it again.
LK that was brilliantly said mate and all of it is TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And another thing the BNP are not Nazi's! they are also not the people who go round kicking people heads in, this is not the 80's now and it just wouldnt happen lets face it.
Also as LK said the term Racist is being taken way to seriously, and people who have different colour skin play on it! I don't have a problem with any of them but a hell of a lot of them lay the racist card a hell of a lot!
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Well, just spent the last 15 mins reading this thread :yand googling stuff and before doing so I had no idea how I would vote........now I have made up my mind.
BNP.
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Well, just spent the last 15 mins reading this thread :yand googling stuff and before doing so I had no idea how I would vote........now I have made up my mind.
BNP.
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You read quicker than me :D
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Well, just spent the last 15 mins reading this thread :yand googling stuff and before doing so I had no idea how I would vote........now I have made up my mind.
BNP.
:y
You read quicker than me :D
Ok so it was actually more like 23 mins to be honest but the outcome is still the same.
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Well, just spent the last 15 mins reading this thread :yand googling stuff and before doing so I had no idea how I would vote........now I have made up my mind.
BNP.
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You read quicker than me :D
Ok so it was actually more like 23 mins to be honest but the outcome is still the same.
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I have just read this and now feel that I have been too kind by referring to the BNP as a political party. They really are toytown Nazis. Yuk. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2009/05/bnp-vile-internet-race-rants.html
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Still alot better than the @rseholes and thieves that are in power now...........!!!!
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Still alot better than the @rseholes and thieves that are in power now...........!!!!
Nothing to say that the BNP would not be exactly the same or worse!!
I have resisted getting involved in this thread so far as I know little about politics. I cast my vote at every election with little knowledge of policies or manifestos.
This thread has inspired me to go away and actually read all the policies of all the parties and make an informed decision.
Whether it will make a difference or not remains to be seen! ;D
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I have just read this and now feel that I have been too kind by referring to the BNP as a political party. They really are toytown Nazis. Yuk. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2009/05/bnp-vile-internet-race-rants.html
You believe they would do that at a time when they're needing votes? Also News of the World >:(
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I have just read this and now feel that I have been too kind by referring to the BNP as a political party. They really are toytown Nazis. Yuk. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://blogs.notw.co.uk/politics/2009/05/bnp-vile-internet-race-rants.html
Ah, at last the truth is dawning as their mask slips! ::) ::)
I make no appologies for reminding all of the definition of racism:
Definition of racism:
"(Belief in, adherence to, or advocacy of) the theory that all members of each race possess characteristicts, abilities, qualities, etc, specific to that race, esp. distinguishing it as inferior or superior to another race or races; prejudice, descrimination, or antagonism based on this" Shorter Oxford English Dictionary Volume II Oxford University Press (2007)
As this is an international site, and as I have stated earlier, the type of material in this thread, although seemingly healthy discussion for the British members, is NOT so good if read by those friends of ours outside English as their first language.
I suggest therefore that this thread is now locked as it has run its course.
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I second Lizzie's suggestion -- this is going round in ever decreasing circles and much is ill thought out, knee jerk reaction to the goons running the country at the moment.
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
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Whilst not wishing to stifle legitimate dabate, I have to say that there is great merit in the suggestion made by Ms Zoom and seconded so sensibly by his Lordship the HC. :y :y
Surely there is little more to be said of constructive use on the subject and what remains of the sore, isn't worth the discomfort of picking clean :y
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
I have done now I have received democratic support to lock it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
I have done now I have received democratic support to lock it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Indeed needs locking, to many different views :y
None correct, none wrong :y
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
I have done now I have received democratic support to lock it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Indeed needs locking, to many different views :y
None correct, none wrong :y
That's right LSG, now the time to say time out! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
I have done now I have received democratic support to lock it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Indeed needs locking, to many different views :y
None correct, none wrong :y
Indeed so LSG, but a subject which was well debated none the less and one which afforded members the opportunity to express their views - however passionate - on a very contentious matter. :y
I think all members should be proud of their contribution :y :y
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
I have done now I have received democratic support to lock it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Indeed needs locking, to many different views :y
None correct, none wrong :y
That's right LSG, now the time to say time out! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Who is turning the key Ms Zoom?
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Send an alert to the moderators then :y
I have done now I have received democratic support to lock it. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Indeed needs locking, to many different views :y
None correct, none wrong :y
That's right LSG, now the time to say time out! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Who is turning the key Ms Zoom?
I hope the admins will now do as requested. :D :D ;)
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Splendid :y :y
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Looks like they are off this weekend.......!!!
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Looks like they are off this weekend.......!!!
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Yes indeed and who can blame them! :D :D :D ;)
I keep on coming in out of the sun every so often to go on here; must be mad! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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deem this topic now locked.
my next topic will be about fluffy bunnies and candyfloss............ ;)