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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Omegatoy on 02 June 2009, 13:53:10
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http://volubrjotr.com/2009/06/01/gore-is-a-liar-no-global-warming-nasa-planet-cooling-since-2003/
so the earth is not getting hotter after all!!
global cooling is the proven issue!!
comments?????
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Oh god they change there mind every 5 min with the bloody climate.
If thats the case everyone back in huge engine cars and get that ozone holed. Let some heat in!!!!!!! :y
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This whole ENVIROMENTAL and recycling thing is nothing more than a blatant "stealth" tax and what the hell difference does one country like ours make if countries like China, Russia and America dont give a sh!te............Its a bloody joke.
When they all get out of their private jets and Jaguars I will sell the MV6, until then (that will be the same day pigs learn to fly!!) they can bolliocks
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THANK CHRIST!!!!!!!!
Thats cheared me up alot! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
Now how do I put a v8 in my omega ::)
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Sssh! Dont tell anyone just yet- lets all buy another large-engined Mig each and wait for the prices to sky-rocket!! ;D ;D :y
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What a surprise!
Now how do I fit my brown and blue "recycling" wheelie bins in the normal grey one? :y
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http://volubrjotr.com/2009/06/01/gore-is-a-liar-no-global-warming-nasa-planet-cooling-since-2003/
so the earth is not getting hotter after all!!
global cooling is the proven issue!!
comments?????
Scientists who study the earth, have been saying all along that the global warming/cooling has nothing to do with mankind.
Current situation is the reaction of the Earth to conditions some several hundred years ago...
The whole topic of global warming was originally studied by "green" groups, and latched onto by the media and political groups, and has now created a financially beneficial movement. Not that we will be seeing that benefit...!!
I have no problem with studying the effects of warming/cooling of the planet, but we should be given the true reasons for it...
Mankind is predominently blamed, when in fact global warming/cooling is a natural cycle of the planets biosphere...
:)
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Love the third video ;D
How can emmisions on Earth cause Jupitors moons to heat up ;D
Anyway I'd love to see how much this gets reported >:( >:( >:(
It will still be a long long time before our governments start to repeat what we all knew all along >:( >:(
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THANK CHRIST!!!!!!!!
Thats cheared me up alot! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
Now how do I put a v8 in my omega ::)
After you get the money to insure it my son ;D ;D :y
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THANK CHRIST!!!!!!!!
Thats cheared me up alot! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
Now how do I put a v8 in my omega ::)
After you get the money to insure it my son ;D ;D :y
Possible solution ;D ;D ::)
http://www.american.com/archive/2006/november/organs-for-sale
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THANK CHRIST!!!!!!!!
Thats cheared me up alot! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
Now how do I put a v8 in my omega ::)
After you get the money to insure it my son ;D ;D :y
Possible solution ;D ;D ::)
http://www.american.com/archive/2006/november/organs-for-sale
You must really want that V8 Ron ;D ;D :y
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Good news. :y
Perhaps the government will give me a grant to purchase that Ultima GTR I've been promising myself.
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Kevin
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
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Irrespective of current reports and research, the tell-- tale signs of desert expansion and retraction, as well as those of glacier movements and sea levels, all point to climatic cycles over millenia --- thhis is nothing new and not a lot to do with the pin prick in time that man is.
Climates will change, we should be putting the time and effort in learning to live with it and adapt accordingly.
That apart -- massive de-forestation is a no-no -- we should be stopping that.
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How come it is so hot today then?? :)
Que calor
varche
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In the South East I just consider we should all buy boats, even when I am on the third floor!! :D :D ;)
If the climatic effects do not overwhelm us, then the 'tipping' of the country will!
In the mean time make merry, enjoy the sun, have bbq's and go for long drives with the air con on using your V6 engines to the full! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Tomorrow.......who knows!! We could have an ice age. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Just keep recycling what you can and avoid waste :y :y :y :y :y
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In the South East I just consider we should all buy boats, even when I am on the third floor!! :D :D ;)
If the climatic effects do not overwhelm us, then the 'tipping' of the country will!
In the mean time make merry, enjoy the sun, have bbq's and go for long drives with the air con on using your V6 engines to the full! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Tomorrow.......who knows!! We could have an ice age. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Just keep recycling what you can and avoid waste :y :y :y :y :y
Sage words indeed Ms Zoom :y :y
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This year we had the greatest rains (frequent) in spring that whole out my life I dont see in my city :-?
Solar energy emission change effects on earth (also which is already dependant on the earths orbit that also changes) is 10x times effective than the co2 effects recently..
Another good example is irregular sun storms, even can have many times bigger effect..
if you watched the film "Knowing" its clearly visible that sun can bbq our arses anytime.. ;D
Seriously, question is :
who is using this global warming fear and for what reason ? :(
another question is when the fossil fuels are over what will happen (I dont count the wars ) :-/
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This year we had the greatest rains (frequent) in spring that whole out my life I dont see in my city :-?
Solar energy emission change effects on earth (also which is already dependant on the earths orbit that also changes) is 10x times effective than the co2 effects recently..
Another good example is irregular sun storms, even can have many times bigger effect..
if you watched the film "Knowing" its clearly visible that sun can bbq our arses anytime.. ;D
Seriously, question is :
who is using this global warming fear and for what reason ? :(
another question is when the fossil fuels are over what will happen (I dont count the wars ) :-/
Yes cem, the sun affects the Earths atmosphere more than co2...
Co2 levels are lower now than say 200 years ago...
Global warming fear is another political/governmental manipulation...
Purpose - control, taxation revenues, etc... :(
Heres an interesting link from the scientific viewpoint, based on fact and truth...
http://www.friendsofscience.org/
:) :ya
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This year we had the greatest rains (frequent) in spring that whole out my life I dont see in my city :-?
Solar energy emission change effects on earth (also which is already dependant on the earths orbit that also changes) is 10x times effective than the co2 effects recently..
Another good example is irregular sun storms, even can have many times bigger effect..
if you watched the film "Knowing" its clearly visible that sun can bbq our arses anytime.. ;D
Seriously, question is :
who is using this global warming fear and for what reason ? :(
another question is when the fossil fuels are over what will happen (I dont count the wars ) :-/
Yes cem, the sun affects the Earths atmosphere more than co2...
Co2 levels are lower now than say 200 years ago...
Global warming fear is another political/governmental manipulation...
Purpose - control, taxation revenues, etc... :(
Heres an interesting link from the scientific viewpoint, bsed on fact and truth...
http://www.friendsofscience.org/
:) :y
I bet our govt s number #1 for taxation..dont need any reason..point you the gun and say "gimme the money" >:( >:(
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totally agree on recycling issues and am a fervent believer in making cars last as long as possible owing to the exhorbitant amount of energy the production of a new one consumes, but hey the older cars have
a, more character,
B are more economical the more miles they do and they longer they last in costs of energy
C .take any car you like produced say fifteen or even twenty or thirty years ago and put against a new one today and engine size the same in the 2 cars and the new ones are no more economical in mpg terms at all :o so whats the point of changing fora new car???
All good comments so far guys we know we are being ripped off over global warming when will they get it through thier thick heads we know they are just using it as a excuse to raise taxes and we wont stand for it
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We recycle a lot, compost vegetable matter, try to lower our power consumption.
All of it for sensible reasons, nothing to do with GW.
I dislike landfill.
I hate the way power is wasted
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totally agree on recycling issues and am a fervent believer in making cars last as long as possible owing to the exhorbitant amount of energy the production of a new one consumes, but hey the older cars have
a, more character,
B are more economical the more miles they do and they longer they last in costs of energy
C .take any car you like produced say fifteen or even twenty or thirty years ago and put against a new one today and engine size the same in the 2 cars and the new ones are no more economical in mpg terms at all :o so whats the point of changing fora new car???
All good comments so far guys we know we are being ripped off over global warming when will they get it through thier thick heads we know they are just using it as a excuse to raise taxes and we wont stand for it
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And yet car manufacturers have been, and will continue to produce cars to be "obsolete" in 5 years, and are not obliged to supply spare parts after ten years...a stark contradiction of the claimed energy/resources wastage... :exclamation
Some of us know, some care, most don't know and dont care - this is the reason people are manipulated and ultimately controlled... :(
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totally agree on recycling issues and am a fervent believer in making cars last as long as possible owing to the exhorbitant amount of energy the production of a new one consumes, but hey the older cars have
a, more character,
B are more economical the more miles they do and they longer they last in costs of energy
C .take any car you like produced say fifteen or even twenty or thirty years ago and put against a new one today and engine size the same in the 2 cars and the new ones are no more economical in mpg terms at all :o so whats the point of changing fora new car???
All good comments so far guys we know we are being ripped off over global warming when will they get it through thier thick heads we know they are just using it as a excuse to raise taxes and we wont stand for it
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And yet car manufacturers have been, and will continue to produce cars to be "obsolete" in 5 years, and are not obliged to supply spare parts after ten years...a stark contradiction of the claimed energy/resources wastage... :exclamation
Some of us know, some care, most don't know and dont care - this is the reason people are manipulated and ultimately controlled... :(
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totally agree mate but the only way to force them to continue making spares for the older cars is by not buying boring new ones!! :y
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
Need we say more bannjaxx ::) ::) :y
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We recycle a lot, compost vegetable matter, try to lower our power consumption.
All of it for sensible reasons, nothing to do with GW.
I dislike landfill.
I hate the way power is wasted
And that is the commonsense and practical way to approach this Martin :y :y
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
Need we say more bannjaxx ::) ::) :y
i fear we may zulu - be careful who tells you what they want you to hear - difficult to separate fact from fiction as previous debates on climate change will attest :-?
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This year we had the greatest rains (frequent) in spring that whole out my life I dont see in my city :-?
Solar energy emission change effects on earth (also which is already dependant on the earths orbit that also changes) is 10x times effective than the co2 effects recently..
Another good example is irregular sun storms, even can have many times bigger effect..
if you watched the film "Knowing" its clearly visible that sun can bbq our arses anytime.. ;D
Seriously, question is :
who is using this global warming fear and for what reason ? :(
another question is when the fossil fuels are over what will happen (I dont count the wars ) :-/
As you say cem, the sun is the dominant factor in this and although sun spot and solar activity is relatively quiescent at the moment, there is great potential for extreme damage to this planet when that cyclic activity increases once more 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) - as it will
Big business and dark political forces stand to gain much from this attempted realignment. That gain embraces the financial reward of such activity but more importantly the undue global influence exerted in the political arena over the many by the few ;) ;)
Finally if, by the time it is no longer financially viable to extract fossil fuel, there is no alternative to hand, the disintegration of 'civilised' existence, in the most generally accepted sense, will make war seem to be the least of our problems :y :y
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
Need we say more bannjaxx ::) ::) :y
i fear we may zulu - be careful who tells you what they want you to hear - difficult to separate fact from fiction as previous debates on climate change will attest :-?
Exactly bannjaxx and I wonder just who would stand to gain from all this obfuscation and scientific double speak ;) ;) It's not so much a case of divide and conquer but more a case of fill as many heads full of conflicting, often unprovable information, and carry on with the real agenda :y :y
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
Really!! Nick how could you say that? ;D ;D
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Most Greenies think that Big Oil is behind all these doubts over Gore's Global Warming scam. A little investigation reveals that Enron and others actually had a great deal to do with promoting the idea (...to make more bucks, of course).
I recommend this article, published a few days ago:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/05/29/lawrence-solomon-enron-s-other-secret.aspx
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
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Actually Nick the question posed in my previous reply is rather easy to answer.............
The IPCC is currently starting to outline its Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) which will be finalized in 2014. As it has been the case in the past, the outline of the AR5 will be developed through a scoping process which involves climate change experts from all relevant disciplines and users of IPCC reports, in particular representatives from governments. As a first step, experts, governments and organizations involved in the Fourth Assessment Report have been asked to submit comments and observations in writing. These submissions are currently being analysed by members of the Bureau. The scoping meeting to define the outline of the AR5 is scheduled in Venice, Italy, for 13-17 July 2009 (attendance is by invitation only). The outline will be submitted to the 31st Session of the IPCC and Sessions of the three Working Groups, which will be held in Bali, Indonesia, 26-29 October 2009.
You can rest assured that there won't be even the slightest hint of a contrary opinion heard at that gathering ;) ;)
Main text presently appears on IPCC website.
http://www.ipcc.ch/
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
You are correct inthe first part Sir and you are correct in the second :y :y We are presently experiencing a clusterf--k to near oblivion :D :D ;)
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
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There isn't a tipping point.
The tipping point theory is based on positive feedback mechanisms in computer models (GCMs). In the real world, there is no scientific evidence for positive feedbacks; indeed, some have argued that CO2 may actually cause negative feedbacks.
If CO2-based positive feedback was true, the world would have boiled away ages ago when CO2 levels were much higher.
Tipping points don't exist, but they sure as hell frighten those who don't investigate the science... which, of course, is the whole point. >:(
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
There isn't a tipping point.
The tipping point theory is based on positive feedback mechanisms in computer models (GCMs). In the real world, there is no scientific evidence for positive feedbacks; indeed, some have argued that CO2 may actually cause negative feedbacks.
If CO2-based positive feedback was true, the world would have boiled away ages ago when CO2 levels were much higher.
Tipping points don't exist, but they sure as hell frighten those who don't investigate the science... which, of course, is the whole point. >:(
hope you're right nickbat - i won't argue with you - just seems to me that we've been dancing round the problem for 20 odd years - its not gonna get fixed - i believe there is a problem and its too late to fix it - you believe theres no problem - either way all we can do is put on the shades - sit back and drink beer :y
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
There isn't a tipping point.
The tipping point theory is based on positive feedback mechanisms in computer models (GCMs). In the real world, there is no scientific evidence for positive feedbacks; indeed, some have argued that CO2 may actually cause negative feedbacks.
If CO2-based positive feedback was true, the world would have boiled away ages ago when CO2 levels were much higher.
Tipping points don't exist, but they sure as hell frighten those who don't investigate the science... which, of course, is the whole point. >:(
The real tipping point in question Nick is where any form of objective assessment of the supposed science, has long since evaporated due to so much prejudicial information being released, often with an agenda, to deliberately confuse the issue
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
There isn't a tipping point.
The tipping point theory is based on positive feedback mechanisms in computer models (GCMs). In the real world, there is no scientific evidence for positive feedbacks; indeed, some have argued that CO2 may actually cause negative feedbacks.
If CO2-based positive feedback was true, the world would have boiled away ages ago when CO2 levels were much higher.
Tipping points don't exist, but they sure as hell frighten those who don't investigate the science... which, of course, is the whole point. >:(
hope you're right nickbat - i won't argue with you - just seems to me that we've been dancing round the problem for 20 odd years - its not gonna get fixed - i believe there is a problem and its too late to fix it - you believe theres no problem - either way all we can do is put on the shades - sit back and drink beer :y
Is there room for one more in that august group?
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
There isn't a tipping point.
The tipping point theory is based on positive feedback mechanisms in computer models (GCMs). In the real world, there is no scientific evidence for positive feedbacks; indeed, some have argued that CO2 may actually cause negative feedbacks.
If CO2-based positive feedback was true, the world would have boiled away ages ago when CO2 levels were much higher.
Tipping points don't exist, but they sure as hell frighten those who don't investigate the science... which, of course, is the whole point. >:(
The real tipping point in question Nick is where any form of objective assessment of the supposed science, has long since evaporated due to so much prejudicial information being released, often with an agenda, to deliberately confuse the issue
yep, Zulu - its almost impossible to find an unbiased opinion (and i've tried) :(
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ahh - the Heartland Institute and FOX news - two more balanced, scientific and august bodies it would be impossible to find :y :y ;D ;D ;D
More balanced than the IPCC. ;)
the trouble with the IPCC isn't balance - it's the lack of will on the part of big business (and therefore governments) to act before it's too late...my view is that it is already way past the tipping point - we're all standing outside arguing over which movie to watch....without realising the cinema closed years ago
;)
There isn't a tipping point.
The tipping point theory is based on positive feedback mechanisms in computer models (GCMs). In the real world, there is no scientific evidence for positive feedbacks; indeed, some have argued that CO2 may actually cause negative feedbacks.
If CO2-based positive feedback was true, the world would have boiled away ages ago when CO2 levels were much higher.
Tipping points don't exist, but they sure as hell frighten those who don't investigate the science... which, of course, is the whole point. >:(
hope you're right nickbat - i won't argue with you - just seems to me that we've been dancing round the problem for 20 odd years - its not gonna get fixed - i believe there is a problem and its too late to fix it - you believe theres no problem - either way all we can do is put on the shades - sit back and drink beer :y
Is there room for one more in that august group?
Make that two! 8-) ;)
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All the concerns expressed over atmospheric Co2 levels may well amount to naught as other more serious factors begin to take precedence in the concern over this planets future.
The cyclic nature solar activity, in its increased form, may well result in a much more deadly threat to this planet's atmosphere. :-/ :-/
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Never really beleived what they were originally blaming it on anyway :y....it was only a matter of time before the truth was really reported, but how much publicity will this recieve, and I doubt this will mean long haul flight taxes of £145 per flight will be reduced or car tax for larger cars >:(
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Should be one rate of car tax for all cars.
It should be down to usage and economy, ie fuel tax not a fixed rate.
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Problem is simple
Global Warming seems believable
Global Cooling seems believable
All the scientists are being asked to prove one or the other.
Where is the independant research?
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Should be one rate of car tax for all cars.
It should be down to usage and economy, ie fuel tax not a fixed rate.
Would seem the fairest way Martin...
The more you drive, the more you pay...via fuel used, not by road tax.
:y
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Never really beleived what they were originally blaming it on anyway :y....it was only a matter of time before the truth was really reported, but how much publicity will this recieve, and I doubt this will mean long haul flight taxes of £145 per flight will be reduced or car tax for larger cars >:(
An increase is rather more likely Mike ;)
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Should be one rate of car tax for all cars.
It should be down to usage and economy, ie fuel tax not a fixed rate.
The overall nature of that Martin is appealing, but I would worry that the practical impact of such a measure would lead to an increase in the price of a large range of goods to cover any such proposed tax. :-/ :-/
There isn't an easy answer short of restricting the number of private vehicles on the road. :-/ :-/
If one looks at the present shotgun approach by HMG and the sinister machinations of various parties interested primarily in generating wealth, I think that the notion we can continue as we are, in terms of having the right and freedom to provide ourselves with independent transport, may well be a flawed one :y
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Problem is simple
Global Warming seems believable
Global Cooling seems believable
All the scientists are being asked to prove one or the other.
Where is the independant research?
Where indeed Martin? It must surely exist :-/ :-/
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Should be one rate of car tax for all cars.
It should be down to usage and economy, ie fuel tax not a fixed rate.
Would seem the fairest way Martin...
The more you drive, the more you pay...via fuel used, not by road tax.
:y
But the Government already 'enjoy' the road tax revenue and the fuel tax along with fuel duty, so all bases are perfectly covered:
You keep your car in the garage more than you use it to "save the environment" = Government still receives road tax + fuel tax + VAT when you do go out and burn a gallon or two.
You drive your car 3,000 miles a week and say "sod the planet" = Government receives road tax + fuel duty + VAT + taxes on everything you purchase to maintain your car with that high mileage! If you are a company car driver, you are also penalised via your Income Tax.
Yep, the Government are the winners all the way to spend your motoring taxes on whatever they want to ::) ::) ::)
Road Tax or no road tax; global warming or no global warming, the end result will be the same - you the motorist will pay regardless!! ::) ::) ::)
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Should be one rate of car tax for all cars.
It should be down to usage and economy, ie fuel tax not a fixed rate.
The overall nature of that Martin is appealing, but I would worry that the practical impact of such a measure would lead to an increase in the price of a large range of goods to cover any such proposed tax. :-/ :-/
There isn't an easy answer short of restricting the number of private vehicles on the road. :-/ :-/
If one looks at the present shotgun approach by HMG and the sinister machinations of various parties interested primarily in generating wealth, I think that the notion we can continue as we are, in terms of having the right and freedom to provide ourselves with independent transport, may well be a flawed one :y
That is the point - better to own multiple sensible vehicles than use unsuitable ones, but that is too expensive.
Also why do motorcycles pay road tax when they are cleaner and smaller than £0 tax cars?
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Should be one rate of car tax for all cars.
It should be down to usage and economy, ie fuel tax not a fixed rate.
The overall nature of that Martin is appealing, but I would worry that the practical impact of such a measure would lead to an increase in the price of a large range of goods to cover any such proposed tax. :-/ :-/
There isn't an easy answer short of restricting the number of private vehicles on the road. :-/ :-/
If one looks at the present shotgun approach by HMG and the sinister machinations of various parties interested primarily in generating wealth, I think that the notion we can continue as we are, in terms of having the right and freedom to provide ourselves with independent transport, may well be a flawed one :y
That is the point - better to own multiple sensible vehicles than use unsuitable ones, but that is too expensive.
Also why do motorcycles pay road tax when they are cleaner and smaller than £0 tax cars?
We're getting into the zone now Martin, as Ms Zoom so rightly said;
'you the motorist will pay regardless!!' [size=8]sic [/size]
The real emphasis on the present discussion by HMG of the climate change debate is - how are we going to bolster our tax take in order to ensure sufficient funds suffuse the treasury to enable the economy to function.
That's why motorcycles fall into the inequitable trap of providing such a disproportionate amount of tax revenue
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Wont be long before proper road use charging is in place. They could do it crudely now by charging you on the miles done since the last MOT. What surprises me is that every vehicle isn't being fitted as standard with the necessary box/interface for whatever GPS/time of day charging that will be brought in during our lifetimes.
I used to think that the best day of anyones life was today but from a motoring point I believe we have gone way past the best day.
The fact that there are more people alive today than have ever lived on earth should sound some warning bells for someone but not really, we all go on thinking that the world can take more and more craap from everyone. The Italian tanker being refused permission from various governments to dump toxic waste in the sea before finally getting permission to dump in the North Sea puts it in perspective. Most people don't deserve the earth. ;D
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Wont be long before proper road use charging is in place. They could do it crudely now by charging you on the miles done since the last MOT. What surprises me is that every vehicle isn't being fitted as standard with the necessary box/interface for whatever GPS/time of day charging that will be brought in during our lifetimes.
I used to think that the best day of anyones life was today but from a motoring point I believe we have gone way past the best day.
The fact that there are more people alive today than have ever lived on earth should sound some warning bells for someone but not really, we all go on thinking that the world can take more and more craap from everyone. The Italian tanker being refused permission from various governments to dump toxic waste in the sea before finally getting permission to dump in the North Sea puts it in perspective. Most people don't deserve the earth. ;D
That very technology is being 'perfected' at the moment Varche ;)