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Unsubstantiated rumour.
BBC apparently reporting labour down to SIXTH, yes thats SIXTH place in cornwall and east anglia.
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Unsubstantiated rumour.
BBC apparently reporting labour down to SIXTH, yes thats SIXTH place in cornwall and east anglia.
Oh glee. ;D
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Some early results for individual council areas have arrived. In Christchurch the Tories have won 34%, UKIP 30%, Lib Dems 13%, the Greens 6% and Labour just under 5%.
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Unsubstantiated rumour.
BBC apparently reporting labour down to SIXTH, yes thats SIXTH place in cornwall and east anglia.
For once Im proud to live here. :)
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;D ;D ;D ;D
I dont really have a political affiliation, but this is so funny.
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What a shame ;D
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But Labour top the poll in the North East.
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But Labour top the poll in the North East.
Hartlepool...monkey...daft bastards...yadda yadda ;D
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Any online?
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But Labour top the poll in the North East.
Hartlepool...monkey...daft bastards...yadda yadda ;D
Hartlepool, OK, I will give you that, but be careful....... :P :P :P
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But Labour top the poll in the North East.
Hartlepool...monkey...daft bastards...yadda yadda ;D
Hartlepool, OK, I will give you that, but be careful....... :P :P :P
Am I ok with Newcastle?....Sunderland?......Middlesborough? ::)
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Sounding good, get that bloody arrogant Brown out for gods sakes....
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But Labour top the poll in the North East.
Hartlepool...monkey...daft bastards...yadda yadda ;D
Hartlepool, OK, I will give you that, but be careful....... :P :P :P
Am I ok with Newcastle?....Sunderland?......Middlesborough? ::)
Oh YES, and the others.......... :y :y
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But Labour top the poll in the North East.
Still down 9% though...........
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Sounding good, get that bloody arrogant Brown out for gods sakes....
Yup, agreed :y
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It's going as badly as predicted then? Haven't seen any news today - so looking to catch up later.
heard the fascists won a few seats tho :o
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Labour have come second to UKIP in Hull - the city of both Alan Johnson and John Prescott.
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safe to say it's gonna be a bad night for labour - isn't that one of their absolute safest areas Nick?
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Sweden has just elected 2 MEPs whose manifesto is free music downloads. :o :o
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safe to say it's gonna be a bad night for labour - isn't that one of their absolute safest areas Nick?
Yep, I think so, but they topped the poll in Sunderland. Interestingly, in your neck of the woods, UKIP have done poorly but SNP have done well.
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that'll be the pirate bay fans :y
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Sweden has just elected 2 MEPs whose manifesto is free music downloads. :o :o
I understand they also want internet privacy. :y
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safe to say it's gonna be a bad night for labour - isn't that one of their absolute safest areas Nick?
Yep, I think so, but they topped the poll in Sunderland. Interestingly, in your neck of the woods, UKIP have done poorly but SNP have done well.
totally polls apart (pun intended ;)) SNP is primarily socialist/liberal government - UKIP have no real presence - but then again, up here we NEED more people so it's a completely different perspective
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Any help
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/euro/09/html/ukregion_999999.stm
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Any help
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/euro/09/html/ukregion_999999.stm
cheers - good link :y
i'll watch the drama unfold from the safety of my laptop :-/
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Tories top the poll in Wrexham (safe Labour seat).
Cornwall – Labour sixth with 8,500 votes
Wales has conservative majority for the first time in any election. Ever.
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Damn BNP aren't winning, how the hell can Labour be top :o
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heard the fascists won a few seats tho.....
Yep, and the Labour thieving arrogant muppets lost a few......
:y
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Damn BNP aren't winning, how the hell can Labour be top :o
I don't thik they are winning, so far only 3 results in, the last 2 columns of the BBC link are what to look at.
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Tories top the poll in Wrexham (safe Labour seat).
Cornwall – Labour sixth with 8,500 votes
Wales has conservative majority for the first time in any election. Ever.
whatever your persuasion - it's definitely interesting political changes we're witnessing :o :o
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Newcastle under Lyme gone to UKIP, Labour third.
BBC not reporting the interesting bits!
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
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heard the fascists won a few seats tho.....
Yep, and the Labour thieving arrogant muppets lost a few......
:y
they're all thieving, arrogant muppets, webby - you can't lay that at Labours door - altho it's inevitable that the ruling party get the most blame
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
and what the hell's happened to the LibDem vote??
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
and what the hell's happened to the LibDem vote??
Drifted down, I think, Banjaax.
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
and what the hell's happened to the LibDem vote??
Drifted down, I think, Banjaax.
they can't be happy - i'd of thought they'd get some of the votes Labour's been losing :o
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
and what the hell's happened to the LibDem vote??
Drifted down, I think, Banjaax.
they can't be happy - i'd of thought they'd get some of the votes Labour's been losing :o
...probably go to the smaller parties bannjaxx :-/
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Sweden has just elected 2 MEPs whose manifesto is free music downloads. :o :o
....well that's the EU for you Nick ;)
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Labour fifth in Broadland. Tories top, UKIP second, LibDems third, Greens fourth.
Seen a lot of comments about how appalling BBC coverage is. Election results programme with no results!! ;D
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
and what the hell's happened to the LibDem vote??
Drifted down, I think, Banjaax.
they can't be happy - i'd of thought they'd get some of the votes Labour's been losing :o
...probably go to the smaller parties bannjaxx :-/
yep, looks like - bit of a bummer for them too, zulu - they should never have booted out Charlie Kennedy - even if he was a lush - i liked the cut of his jib! :y
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Tories top the poll in Wrexham (safe Labour seat).
Cornwall – Labour sixth with 8,500 votes
Wales has conservative majority for the first time in any election. Ever.
whatever your persuasion - it's definitely interesting political changes we're witnessing :o :o
.....good point bannjaxx I don't think the full impact of this will be realized just yet :y
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Conservatives top Yorkshire, Humber and Leeds.
Both Labour and Tories reckon nationally Labour will come 3rd behind UKIP to Tories.
and what the hell's happened to the LibDem vote??
Drifted down, I think, Banjaax.
they can't be happy - i'd of thought they'd get some of the votes Labour's been losing :o
...probably go to the smaller parties bannjaxx :-/
yep, looks like - bit of a bummer for them too, zulu - they should never have booted out Charlie Kennedy - even if he was a lush - i liked the cut of his jib! :y
Yep, had a bit more substance that Clegg :y
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Of course the turnout says it all :-/ :-/ :y
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This is what I'm listening to:
http://www.playradiouk.com/V4/iplayer/talk/launchradio.php :y :y
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heard the fascists won a few seats tho.....
Yep, and the Labour thieving arrogant muppets lost a few......
:y
they're all thieving, arrogant muppets, webby - you can't lay that at Labours door - altho it's inevitable that the ruling party get the most blame
It was thieving Gormless Brown who stole my pension and approx.50% of my wages by introducing his countless stealth taxes. ;)
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This is what I'm listening to:
http://www.playradiouk.com/V4/iplayer/talk/launchradio.php :y :y
cheers for the link Nick :y
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heard the fascists won a few seats tho.....
Yep, and the Labour thieving arrogant muppets lost a few......
:y
they're all thieving, arrogant muppets, webby - you can't lay that at Labours door - altho it's inevitable that the ruling party get the most blame
It was thieving Gormless Brown who stole my pension and approx.50% of my wages by introducing his countless stealth taxes. ;)
....... I hope people remember that come the general election Albs ;) :-/
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This is what I'm listening to:
http://www.playradiouk.com/V4/iplayer/talk/launchradio.php :y :y
....thank you Nick :y
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heard the fascists won a few seats tho.....
Yep, and the Labour thieving arrogant muppets lost a few......
:y
they're all thieving, arrogant muppets, webby - you can't lay that at Labours door - altho it's inevitable that the ruling party get the most blame
It was thieving Gormless Brown who stole my pension and approx.50% of my wages by introducing his countless stealth taxes. ;)
fair do's, name a party that will reduce taxes Albs - i remember the poll tax riots if you want to dance round unfair taxes - thats what democracy is all about -this is it in action - you don't like the gov't, vote them out - remember this is just the euros so it won't change a thing until the gen. election tho - i'll keep my powder dry til i see what alternatives there are
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The Tories use to reduce taxes but those days are long gone.I can remember the whole poll tax fiasco and feeling at the time that it was unjust,having said that the rises in council tax under this lot in this part of the country have been nothing short of staggering,make the poll tax look like redistribution of wealth. :y
Just to be clear,I am an ex socialist who (so far ) has never voted Tory. :)
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heard the fascists won a few seats tho.....
Yep, and the Labour thieving arrogant muppets lost a few......
:y
they're all thieving, arrogant muppets, webby - you can't lay that at Labours door - altho it's inevitable that the ruling party get the most blame
It was thieving Gormless Brown who stole my pension and approx.50% of my wages by introducing his countless stealth taxes. ;)
fair do's, name a party that will reduce taxes Albs - i remember the poll tax riots if you want to dance round unfair taxes - thats what democracy is all about -this is it in action - you don't like the gov't, vote them out - remember this is just the euros so it won't change a thing until the gen. election tho - i'll keep my powder dry til i see what alternatives there are
your powder might well be desiccated by the time a suitable alternative pops up ::) :y
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The Tories use to reduce taxes but those days are long gone.I can remember the whole poll tax fiasco and feeling at the time that it was unjust,having said that the rises in council tax under this lot in this part of the country have been nothing short of staggering,make the poll tax look like redistribution of wealth. :y
Just to be clear,I am an ex socialist who (so far ) has never voted Tory. :)
....they'll get you in the end Albs ;)
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BNP pick up one seat in Yorkshire.
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BNP pick up one seat in Yorkshire.
depressing :(
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Although not entirely surprising :y
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BNP pick up one seat in Yorkshire.
Projected to pick up one more in North West.
They say it may be the story of the night. But the real story is the collapse of Labour, the rise of UKIP and so on. These extremists distract from the real news. So I dislike them for yet another reason.
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Although not entirely surprising :y
i guess not, zulu
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BNP pick up one seat in Yorkshire.
Projected to pick up one more in North West.
They say it may be the story of the night. But the real story is the collapse of Labour, the rise of UKIP and so on. These extremists distract from the real news. So I dislike them for yet another reason.
and theres already so many to choose ;D
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Griffin presently speaking on Sky News
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Griffin presently speaking on Sky News
Just watched the interview,I agreed with most of what he said until near the end when he was asked who can join the BNP,he fluffed and flanneled and avoided but part of his answer was "we just look, we just know",he tried not to admit that skin colour was a determining factor,but he couldnt deny it.
Shot himself in both feet in my book.
BUT it has been the ludicrous anti British and completely open door immigration policies of the linen suited,sandal wearing,champagne socialists from middle class backgrounds who have brought about the rise of the BNP. >:(
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Griffin presently speaking on Sky News
Just watched the interview,I agreed with most of what he said until near the end when he was asked who can join the BNP,he fluffed and flanneled and avoided but part of his answer was "we just look, we just know",he tried not to admit that skin colour was a determining factor,but he couldnt deny it.
Shot himself in both feet in my book.
Just watched him on BBC2 hard to disagree with what he is saying......... :)
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Griffin presently speaking on Sky News
Just watched the interview,I agreed with most of what he said until near the end when he was asked who can join the BNP,he fluffed and flanneled and avoided but part of his answer was "we just look, we just know",he tried not to admit that skin colour was a determining factor,but he couldnt deny it.
Shot himself in both feet in my book.
BUT it has been the ludicrous anti British and completely open door immigration policies of the linen suited,sandal wearing,champagne socialists from middle class backgrounds who have brought about the rise of the BNP. >:(
the mask slipped more often than his earpiece ;D
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Griffin presently speaking on Sky News
Just watched the interview,I agreed with most of what he said until near the end when he was asked who can join the BNP,he fluffed and flanneled and avoided but part of his answer was "we just look, we just know",he tried not to admit that skin colour was a determining factor,but he couldnt deny it.
Shot himself in both feet in my book.
....knees and elbows as well Albs ::) but there was a distinct lack of credibility at that point, which is concerning to say the least ;)
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Griffin presently speaking on Sky News
Just watched the interview,I agreed with most of what he said until near the end when he was asked who can join the BNP,he fluffed and flanneled and avoided but part of his answer was "we just look, we just know",he tried not to admit that skin colour was a determining factor,but he couldnt deny it.
Shot himself in both feet in my book.
BUT it has been the ludicrous anti British and completely open door immigration policies of the linen suited,sandal wearing,champagne socialists from middle class backgrounds who have brought about the rise of the BNP. >:(
...that door has been forced open to such an extent it will prove difficult to close Albs - but you're right, this policy has turned and bitten them quite severly on the arse ;)
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
...fair enough bannjaxx - but I can't warm to BBC news, the editorial balance just isn't there ;)
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
...fair enough bannjaxx - but I can't warm to BBC news, the editorial balance just isn't there ;)
i must admit - i'm watching SKY news with the ever excellent Adam Bolton :y
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and following events on Nickbat Nightly News of course! ;) ;) :y
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
...fair enough bannjaxx - but I can't warm to BBC news, the editorial balance just isn't there ;)
i must admit - i'm watching SKY news with the ever excellent Adam Bolton :y
....Yep he gave Griffin a skelp or two during the course of a rather good interview, peeled the layers off rather well :y
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and following events on Nickbat Nightly News of course! ;) ;) :y
Is there a license fee involved at all?
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and following events on Nickbat Nightly News of course! ;) ;) :y
Is there a license fee involved at all?
more off-license i think :y ;)
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
...fair enough bannjaxx - but I can't warm to BBC news, the editorial balance just isn't there ;)[/quote]
The aforementioned middle class,linen suited,champange socialists.Take the licence fee away from the BBC gravy train and make them survive in the real world. :y
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
...fair enough bannjaxx - but I can't warm to BBC news, the editorial balance just isn't there ;)[/quote]
The aforementioned middle class,linen suited,champange socialists.Take the licence fee away from the BBC gravy train and make them survive in the real world. :y
awww - come on Albs - whats dear old auntie beeb ever done to you? ;D ;D ;)
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Dont get me started,its too late. ;D ;D
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Dont get me started,its too late. ;D ;D
for another day perhaps ;D ;D
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As expected, the BBC runs the BNP seat as its headline. Muppets! >:( >:( >:(
Still it works for them as it takes the heat off NuLabour. ;)
to be fair, Nick, the UK electing a fascist in europe is big news
...fair enough bannjaxx - but I can't warm to BBC news, the editorial balance just isn't there ;)[/quote]
The aforementioned middle class,linen suited,champange socialists.Take the licence fee away from the BBC gravy train and make them survive in the real world. :y
.......you gave them the malky there Albs, rightly so :y :y
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The latest on the results....................
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
BNP got two seats in the EU, now thats got the other main parties p****d off, maybe they will get their act sorted out, but somehow I doubt it ::)
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The latest on the results....................
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
BNP got two seats in the EU, now thats got the other main parties p****d off, maybe they will get their act sorted out, but somehow I doubt it ::)
wait a second.....doesn't that mean that Nick Griffin will have to work abroad? - how terrible for him - he'll need to tell himself to go back to where he came from every day ;D
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1. Open a new file in your computer.
2. Name it “Gordon Brown”.
3. Send it to the Recycle Bin.
4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
5. Your PC will ask you: ‘Do you really want to get rid of “Gordon Brown?”
6. Firmly Click ‘Yes.’
7. Feel better?
;D ;D ;D
(Not mine - pinched from somewhere else!)
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Breaking: Jane Kennedy, Environment Minister, resigns.
How many more today? ;)
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Breaking: Jane Kennedy, Environment Minister, resigns.
How many more today? ;)
just saw that Nick - apparently Brown asked her for a guarantee of loyalty (a bit like swearing fealty to a monarch!!) - which she couldn't do - tbh - i've never heard of her :o
another interesting day eh?
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re: never heard of her - Sky news seem to have got a clip from 2001!!! - thats the most recent film of her??
(nice red Omega at the the end tho.......which she ignores and jumps in a Jag :()
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no wonder Labour took a pounding - I just got a postcard from them urging me to vote labour on the 4th June
yep - delivered in this morning's mail - a full 4 days too late :y
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
As do I.
So many people died for this country whilst trying to rid Europe and the world of Nazis. Indeed we are still fighting extremists (albeit religious) around the world to this day. So many people with such short memories!
Lest we forget!
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
Indeed. I only hope parliament and the mainstream parties learn from this and get their act in order so this kind of protest voting doesn't pollute the upcoming general election.
Kevin
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
..... would that were to be so Ms Zoom but I can't see it. :-/ :-/
The running sore has shown just how flawed many of the existing cadre of our political representatives - and indeed the very nature of this current parliamentary system - are, so must ask again, who is capable of taking up the reigns?
I don't see an easy solution and to hope that the existing arrangement will deliver something of value after the general election is quite frankly laid bare for potential disappointment :(
I can't see any practical solution to this at the moment :-/ :-/
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
..... would that were to be so Ms Zoom but I can't see it. :-/ :-/
The running sore has shown just how flawed many of the existing cadre of our political representatives - and indeed the very nature of this current parliamentary system - are, so must ask again, who is capable of taking up the reigns?
I don't see an easy solution and to hope that the existing arrangement will deliver something of value after the general election is quite frankly laid bare for potential disappointment :(
I can't see any practical solution to this at the moment :-/ :-/
Have faith Zulu! There is always a better tomorrow, and thank God there is still a majority of good honest people around in politics who want to see this awful episode behind them, striving for a better system. ;) ;)
In nature clearances and renewals have to take place to allow new shoots of life develop, as they will!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
I think that is very true Bannjaxx :y :y :y
In fact at some ridiculous time of the early hours I was watching as Griffin was elected, and the BBC 'experts' stated that if the UKIP had just got 1,200 more votes Griffin would not have gained his seat! :'( :'( :'( :'(
So yes, although I personally would not vote for them, UKIP are a far better alternative to the BNP and certainly stopped the night from being far worse for decent politics. :y :y :y
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Ofcourse if voting turnout wasnt so poor then BNP would most likely not have got their MEPs becuase mainstream people not voting would probably have voted lab/lib/con surely?
out of interest, is it particullarly likely that the BNP will achieve anything at Brussels?
My son is doing politics A level next year (currently doing GCSE's) and is quite enjoying all the current political issues lol
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
Not sure that's an accurate analysis, Banjaax.
Here's my take on what happened:
There's is a huge disconnect between the political elite and the public. This has been made worse by the expenses crisis, but there is also a feeling of a lack of indentity. This is partly due to the overarching influence of the EU, but mainly due to NuLabour's inept policies and its enforced political correctness. To an extent this has also been the fault of the other parties. Immigration as a topic is strictly off the agenda amongst the elite.
My belief, based on personal experiences and the demographics of the voting areas, suggests that the BNP have actually taken votes from Labour. It may seem odd that a far-right party should take support from the left, but that's the way I see it. UKIP did very well in the more affluent, normally Tory-voting areas, and suggests to me that traditional conservatives want to see a harder line on Europe, especially with regard to the Lisbon Treaty. Without UKIP, the Tory lead over Labour would have been greater, but the BNP would still have done relatively well (for them), and they will continue to do so while the mainstream parties fail to get a grip on the political disconnect. If all they can do is heap abuse on the BNP, being tainted themselves, they will actually enhance the BNP's support.
The BNP should be ignored, they thrive on negative publicity.
But the blame for their small success in these elections can, I think, be laid at the door of all the mainstream parties, but obviously the greatest blame must be placed on Labour, being the party in office.
That's my reading, anyway.
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
........does this indicate that the BNP picked up many votes because their message resonated with people?
Although many would hope that this was indeed an indication of dissatisfaction with the political mainstream, I suspect not, and feel that this is the beginning of a schism which will fracture the political landscape from this point and will polarise this nation for some time to come.
I have seen this type of shift before in N. Ireland/Ulster/six-counties, call it what you will - when that shift of opinion gains traction, mainstream, reasoned and balanced political activity is disrupted but more worryingly, disregarded.
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
Not sure that's an accurate analysis, Banjaax.
Here's my take on what happened:
There's is a huge disconnect between the political elite and the public. This has been made worse by the expenses crisis, but there is also a feeling of a lack of indentity. This is partly due to the overarching influence of the EU, but mainly due to NuLabour's inept policies and its enforced political correctness.To an extent this has also been the fault of the other parties. Immigration as a topic is strictly off the agenda amongst the elite.
My belief, based on personal experiences and the demographics of the voting areas, suggests that the BNP have actually taken votes from Labour. It may seem odd that a far-right party should take support from the left, but that's the way I see it. UKIP did very well in the more affluent, normally Tory-voting areas, and suggests to me that traditional conservatives want to see a harder line on Europe, especially with regard to the Lisbon Treaty. Without UKIP, the Tory lead over Labour would have been greater, but the BNP would still have done relatively well (for them), and they will continue to do so while the mainstream parties fail to get a grip on the political disconnect. If all they can do is heap abuse on the BNP, being tainted themselves, they will actually enhance the BNP's support.
The BNP should be ignored, they thrive on negative publicity.
But the blame for their small success in these elections can, I think, be laid at the door of all the mainstream parties, but obviously the greatest blame must be placed on Labour, being the party in office.
That's my reading, anyway.
disconnect between the political elite and the public.
lack of indentity. This is partly due to the overarching influence of the EU, but mainly due to NuLabour's inept policies and its enforced political correctness.
....and the portions of your text highlighted, Nick, give the clue that this is not an aberration but potentially a fundamental shift in the political stance of sizeable number of the voting public.
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
........does this indicate that the BNP picked up many votes because their message resonated with people?
Although many would hope that this was indeed an indication of dissatisfaction with the political mainstream, I suspect not, and feel that this is the beginning of a schism which will fracture the political landscape from this point and will polarise this nation for some time to come.
I have seen this type of shift before in N. Ireland/Ulster/six-counties, call it what you will - when that shift of opinion gains traction, mainstream, reasoned and balanced political activity is disrupted but more worryingly, disregarded.
I think your pessimism is misplaced, sectarian divides are totally different...and easier to manipulate by politicians.
Remember this, the BNP's share was 6.5%, but turnout was just 34%, meaning that only 2.3% of the population voted BNP and I would hazard a guess that the majority voted that way just to protest. Let's not get too carried away with this. :(
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
absolutely Chris - just hope its an anomaly - there aren't really 1m nazis living among us are there??
I agree strongly with both of you Chris and Bannjaxx! :y :y :y :y
It is a most shameful day for British politics. 65 years after D-Day, when brave men from Britain fought against facism and racial predujice we see an organization representing those criminal views voted in by a small percentage of the population. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lets sincerely hope that the mainstream parties, and I don't care which ones, get their act together and re-establish the true qualities of British democratic political life. ;) ;) ;) ;)
hear hear Lizzie - what concerns me is that maybe it's not a protest vote? if it's a protest then vote for the greens or monster raving loonies or whoever - to vote BNP you need deep seated prejudice - never thought i'd say it - but thank god for UKIP as i think they stole a lot of BNP's potential voters
........does this indicate that the BNP picked up many votes because their message resonated with people?
Although many would hope that this was indeed an indication of dissatisfaction with the political mainstream, I suspect not, and feel that this is the beginning of a schism which will fracture the political landscape from this point and will polarise this nation for some time to come.
I have seen this type of shift before in N. Ireland/Ulster/six-counties, call it what you will - when that shift of opinion gains traction, mainstream, reasoned and balanced political activity is disrupted but more worryingly, disregarded.
I think your pessimism is misplaced, sectarian divides are totally different...and easier to manipulate by politicians.
Remember this, the BNP's share was 6.5%, but turnout was just 34%, meaning that only 2.3% of the population voted BNP and I would hazard a guess that the majority voted that way just to protest. Let's not get too carried away with this. :(
...I hope it is Nick - but for sectarianism substitute racism and the politics of the absolute.
The point I'm making is that when the appeal of rhetoric begins to embrace, reason is shunned and discarded for the new mistress :y
While the numbers are low, the longer there is a political vacuum the greater possibility exists for those numbers to increase.
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What annoys me is the number off people who can't get up off their sofas and drag themselves out to the polling stations to vote. BNP would not be any where in sight if the majority could be arsed. If you don't vote you have no voice and have no right to complain after the event ! just my opinion ::)
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While the numbers are low, the longer there is a political vacuum the greater possibility exists for those numbers to increase.
Zulu, that is a very important point. :y
We do indeed have a political vacuum and that is dangerous in many ways. You're right about the potential for extremists and, of course, that potential is increased by the economic damage being caused by the vacuum. No one in their right minds would invest in UK plc, while we have a lame duck administration. :(
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"Labour cannot win with the present Prime Minister. I was one of the seven who would not support his coronation after Tony Blair was shoehorned out of Number 10. But even I didn't think a Brown administration would be as inept as this one.
The Brownites are attempting to terrorise Labour MPs into inaction. If they succeed then we deserve our fate."...
"...the failure to deal with immigration and Europe is poisoning our political system. I have set out in the Balanced Migration campaign how we should counter positively the BNP. Similarly, we need to cut loose European politics from our domestic politics. Voters have no party to represent their worries on this score, only the BNP with their evil interests."
From Frank Field's blog today. The only Labour politician with a brain and a spine, methinks. :y
http://www.frankfield.co.uk/blog/q/date/2009/06/08/trust-rather-than-trick-voters/
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While the numbers are low, the longer there is a political vacuum the greater possibility exists for those numbers to increase.
Zulu, that is a very important point. :y
We do indeed have a political vacuum and that is dangerous in many ways. You're right about the potential for extremists and, of course, that potential is increased by the economic damage being caused by the vacuum. No one in their right minds would invest in UK plc, while we have a lame duck administration. :(
......indeed so Nick and unless that unsatisfactory situation is addressed, the thunderous oratory employed by those who would seek to gain credibility from that very vacuum, will resonate with those who deem themselves to be disaffected by, and dissatisfied with, the status quo :y
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"Labour cannot win with the present Prime Minister. I was one of the seven who would not support his coronation after Tony Blair was shoehorned out of Number 10. But even I didn't think a Brown administration would be as inept as this one.
The Brownites are attempting to terrorise Labour MPs into inaction. If they succeed then we deserve our fate."...
"...the failure to deal with immigration and Europe is poisoning our political system. I have set out in the Balanced Migration campaign how we should counter positively the BNP. Similarly, we need to cut loose European politics from our domestic politics. Voters have no party to represent their worries on this score, only the BNP with their evil interests."
From Frank Field's blog today. The only Labour politician with a brain and a spine, methinks. :y
http://www.frankfield.co.uk/blog/q/date/2009/06/08/trust-rather-than-trick-voters/
....it's nice to see Frank stepping up, he does have content worthy of attention :y
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PO5Gh3QGFI
Subtitles a bit strong, but this is VERY funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PO5Gh3QGFI
Subtitles a bit strong, but this is VERY funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
agreed :y ;D ;D ;D
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NICK! How the hell do you find this stuff?
Brilliant - other words would be superfluous: y
May not be too far from the real thing ;) ;) :y
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that line about mandelson - i watched him on Andrew Marr saying "the cabinet is 100% against the Prime Minister" Marr, to his credit, let it go 'til the end when he said "you do realise you said united against the PM, but i know what you meant"
freudian slip perhaps?
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that line about mandelson - i watched him on Andrew Marr saying "the cabinet is 100% against the Prime Minister" Marr, to his credit, let it go 'til the end when he said "you do realise you said united against the PM, but i know what you meant"
freudian slip perhaps?
I thought I read somewhere that Andrew Marr is an old friend of GB... Perhaps that's why he let it go. ::) ;)
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that line about mandelson - i watched him on Andrew Marr saying "the cabinet is 100% against the Prime Minister" Marr, to his credit, let it go 'til the end when he said "you do realise you said united against the PM, but i know what you meant"
freudian slip perhaps?
I thought I read somewhere that Andrew Marr is an old friend of GB... Perhaps that's why he let it go. ::) ;)
Marr couldn't get a word in tbh, Nick- but i've seen him with tories, labour, libdem - he treats them all equally - trust me - i'm sad enough to watch it most sunday mornings ;)
all these guys know each other and spend time together - it's where they get the inside info :y
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its with great shame and embarrasment that i see my country send 2 bnp members to european parliament. How disgusting is that? A sad sad day for the United Kingdom.
Nowhere near as sad as what Labour have done to this country in the last 12 years........
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PO5Gh3QGFI
Subtitles a bit strong, but this is VERY funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
That is brilliant Nick! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Seriously though, it has made me want to watch my copy of Downfall yet again to cheer myself up and remind myself that, no matter how bad something is, nothing lasts forever! 8-) 8-)