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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mr Skrunts on 21 June 2009, 18:10:27
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8pm tonight, dont forget :y
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the stig will be revealed too!
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Good T.V at last :y
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Seies set to record on V+ :y
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Forum's about to go quiet for an hour ;D
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Just turned the tele on and put it on bbc 2.... ;D ;D ;D
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Good T.V at last :y
You know the score
i feel a series link coming on...........
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Saved it unable to watch tonite. Visitors...
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funny as a funny thing!! brilliant tv!!!
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Don't know why but Clarkson really got on my t1ts tonight >:(
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SPOILER ALERT
Schumacher!!!
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I thought 60163 would have won
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i don't think the stig is who was in the suit today, i think they had him as a guest and just asked him do to the suit thing to shut them all up, i can't see that person doing it all the time for the bbc.
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I agree tunnie, I would like to think that the BBC couldnt afford him.
Then again, if they pay that muppet Woss £6 million a year maybe they can afford Schumi......
Although when he walked on I said to the wife it wasnt him cos I thought the Stig was thinner and shorter than him.........
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i don't think the stig is who was in the suit today, i think they had him as a guest and just asked him do to the suit thing to shut them all up, i can't see that person doing it all the time for the bbc.
Yep, I doubt that was the stig :P
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It was probably Ferrari wanting only Schumacher to drive the FXX.
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just about to check it out on i player :y
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nah, it's not who they revealed - just a gag - ending with him being unable to drive the leana
a small amount of research, cross referencing the ONE photo of white stig where you actually see his eyes, together with photos of pro drivers reveals the honest truth - and its NOT who you think it is!!!!
errr...yes i am that sad :(
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It was probably Ferrari wanting only Schumacher to drive the FXX.
Defo. they wont let any idiot drive one of those. By the sound of it they only just let the customers drive them. :-/
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Only one black FXX in the world and it belongs to Schumacher. I guess thats why he was there! Would you let that car out of your sight?
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That black Ferarri was stunningly fast. I wonder if that time will ever be beaten!?
varche
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I thought everyone knew the stig is ben collins?? made it to f3 and won a lot ran out of funds so went sports car racing, he replaced the original stig who was perry macarther :y
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The fxx shouldn't be on the board as it's not a road car ::) They've said that a few times before why they let the ffx on it ::) ::) ::)
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The fxx shouldn't be on the board as it's not a road car ::) They've said that a few times before why they let the ffx on it ::) ::) ::)
Yeah you're right :y
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That black Ferarri was stunningly fast. I wonder if that time will ever be beaten!?
varche
Well it will have to be something VERY special to beat that.........
I remember they had a Renault F1 car on a while back and that did a lap in 57 seconds if I remember correctly, so you are looking at something thats getting on for being as quick as an F1 car to surpass the Fxx time...........!!!
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Lol, schumacher was only the stig on that day as he was sent by Ferrari to drive the new Ferrari (he still works as a consultant for them).
As for Tornado coming a close second (there was minutes in it apparantly). Remember she is not yet passed for 90mph running and was held up by slow trains on the twin track south of Edinburgh.
But, I thought she could carry enough coal to go from London to Edinburgh without a re-fill?
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As for the high speed wheel spin....thats pretty dangerous!
here is an extract from what happened to 'Blue Peter' (an A2) near Durham in 1994
In 1994, during the first run of a preserved steam locomotive from Edinburgh to Newcastle, 60532 suffered extensive damage during a catastrophic uncontrolled wheelslip.
During an unscheduled stop at Durham station the inexperienced footplate crew overfilled the boiler. As the train departed south across Durham viaduct an initial slip was poorly controlled by the driver, who then reopened the regulator too early, probably worried about stalling on the bank up to Relly Mill. The force of the initial slip caused the boiler to prime, carrying water over into the regulator valve and jamming it open. This allowed passage of steam through to the cylinders, perpetuating the slip and accelerating the driving wheels. When the driver attempted to wind the reversing gear back into mid-position to halt the slip, the force of the boiler spun it into full-forward position, and the driving wheels reached a rotational speed of 140mph before the cylinder heads blew off and the motion disintegrated.
The driver suffered major injury to his arms, as a result of the screw reversing lever whipping around when he released it. The accident brought to light the importance of traincrews being trained on the specific locomotives they were driving, rather than simply a common general instruction on steam locomotives. Neither the driver or fireman had ever worked 60532 before, and were unaware of the locomotive's sensitivity to priming, which led to the accident.
And some of the sound and vision footage
http://www.steamsoundsarchive.com/13/audio/19940814.mp3 - In this file, you can hear the real extent to which the drive wheels continue with themselves, and the discharge from the cylinders as the heads are blown off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjsNbzg1UaI&fmt=18 - This film shows how bad the damage is, as the wheels started to grind away at the metal with such force, even sparks were sent off
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Lol, schumacher was only the stig on that day as he was sent by Ferrari to drive the new Ferrari (he still works as a consultant for them).
As for Tornado coming a close second (there was minutes in it apparantly). Remember she is not yet passed for 90mph running and was held up by slow trains on the twin track south of Edinburgh.
But, I thought she could carry enough coal to go from London to Edinburgh without a re-fill?
It has restricted coal capacity compared to the original built ones as they wanted more water capacity due to lack of troughs and columns
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Amazing! Love steam engines, but I actually didn't know there were none left...hence scratchbuilding this one.
I suppose that's the problem with larger machines; trains, tanks, trucks, they tend not to survive as much as cars / motorbikes on account of their size.
If my Grandad had room in his shed for one of those when they were scrapped, he would have done! Instead he has BSA Bantam! ;)
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I watched a 1/2 hour documentery on the building of the Tornado recently. Absolutly fan-bloomin'-tastic. If she'd been allowed to have her head it would have been such a different ending.
How come every time we saw Hammond it was pissing down with rain and the others were dry?
I bet he did it on a different day!
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LOL
I bet Hammond did it in more than just one day.....
Brilliant episode I thought anyway !!!
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I thought everyone knew the stig is ben collins?? made it to f3 and won a lot ran out of funds so went sports car racing, he replaced the original stig who was perry macarther :y
Perry McCarthy's autobiography Flat Out, Flat Broke is very funny and well worth a read if you see it :y :y
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I really enjoyed that episode, and was taken in by the Stig momentarily. Actually, for more than a moment. More like half an hour. Doh...
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Amazing! Love steam engines, but I actually didn't know there were none left...hence scratchbuilding this one.
I suppose that's the problem with larger machines; trains, tanks, trucks, they tend not to survive as much as cars / motorbikes on account of their size.
If my Grandad had room in his shed for one of those when they were scrapped, he would have done! Instead he has BSA Bantam! ;)
Only of that type, if only they had advertised this more, i would have made my way to the main line to see it.
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As for the high speed wheel spin....thats pretty dangerous!
here is an extract from what happened to 'Blue Peter' (an A2) near Durham in 1994
In 1994, during the first run of a preserved steam locomotive from Edinburgh to Newcastle, 60532 suffered extensive damage during a catastrophic uncontrolled wheelslip.
During an unscheduled stop at Durham station the inexperienced footplate crew overfilled the boiler. As the train departed south across Durham viaduct an initial slip was poorly controlled by the driver, who then reopened the regulator too early, probably worried about stalling on the bank up to Relly Mill. The force of the initial slip caused the boiler to prime, carrying water over into the regulator valve and jamming it open. This allowed passage of steam through to the cylinders, perpetuating the slip and accelerating the driving wheels. When the driver attempted to wind the reversing gear back into mid-position to halt the slip, the force of the boiler spun it into full-forward position, and the driving wheels reached a rotational speed of 140mph before the cylinder heads blew off and the motion disintegrated.
The driver suffered major injury to his arms, as a result of the screw reversing lever whipping around when he released it. The accident brought to light the importance of traincrews being trained on the specific locomotives they were driving, rather than simply a common general instruction on steam locomotives. Neither the driver or fireman had ever worked 60532 before, and were unaware of the locomotive's sensitivity to priming, which led to the accident.
And some of the sound and vision footage
http://www.steamsoundsarchive.com/13/audio/19940814.mp3 - In this file, you can hear the real extent to which the drive wheels continue with themselves, and the discharge from the cylinders as the heads are blown off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjsNbzg1UaI&fmt=18 - This film shows how bad the damage is, as the wheels started to grind away at the metal with such force, even sparks were sent off
Anyone working on the footplate of a steam locomotive is either fully trained or under training supervision, especially when working a steam special on the national rail network, so these are not novices by any means. They are also usually accompanied by an experienced locomotive operations inspector to ensure all procedures are strictly adhered to and advice on the route given.
The crew may have been inexperienced at working this class of loco, but on all steam locomotives they are equipped with water gauges that as a fireman/woman you regularly check to ensure the correct boiler water level for the prevailing conditions are maintained. No way should the priming described have taken place.
As for the driver allowing the engine into a violent slip, that was pure incompetence, as he should have immediately have closed the regulator, as has to be frequently done on ex-Southern, later BR, Bullied 'light' Pacific's as they are very prone to light footiness and can slip at the slightest provocation! Once the slip passed the point of recovery, at the latest, the cylinder drain cocks should have been fully opened to release cylinder pressure.
My conclusion is that the footplate staff were trained, but were incompetent and the driver probably decided to 'play to the crowds' (as I know some drivers do!) and lifted the regulator too fully and too fast, thus ending up having to fight the steam pressure forcing the regulator to stay open. As you stated Mark, the motion was rotated to destruction at speeds up to 140 mph, with cylinders wrecked, and even a driving wheel turned out of position on its axle! :o :o :o It took tremendous forces to attain that, and the steam railway preservation movement hopes it never happens again! ::) ::) ::) ;)
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Lizzie is there anything you dont know everything about.........??!!??!?
lol
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Lizzie is there anything you dont know everything about.........??!!??!?
lol
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Yes, plenty I'm afraid to say Webby. :( :( :D :D ;)
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Lol....yes, they were an expeienced crew but, not with that class of loco.
I know one of the people who was on the team who investigated the fault for the HSE.
The A2's have a bit of a floor.....if you let it slip like that you cant close the throttle as when its full of water it hydraulics open (and as you know, you cant compress a liquid).
Hence they did the right thing by going for the reversing gear......I have to say that if it was me, I would also be going for the loco brake to get some sticktion on the driving wheels to!
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As for the driver allowing the engine into a violent slip, that was pure incompetence, as he should have immediately have closed the regulator, as has to be frequently done on ex-Southern, later BR, Bullied 'light' Pacific's as they are very prone to light footiness and can slip at the slightest provocation! Once the slip passed the point of recovery, at the latest, the cylinder drain cocks should have been fully opened to release cylinder pressure.
One thing to say about this - actually 2
HALLS :y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqW6QmgoMhM
And BR 5MTs were better at hills than West Countries
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Lol....yes, they were an expeienced crew but, not with that class of loco.
I know one of the people who was on the team who investigated the fault for the HSE.
The A2's have a bit of a floor.....if you let it slip like that you cant close the throttle as when its full of water it hydraulics open (and as you know, you cant compress a liquid).
Hence they did the right thing by going for the reversing gear......I have to say that if it was me, I would also be going for the loco brake to get some sticktion on the driving wheels to!
Nasty!
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As for the driver allowing the engine into a violent slip, that was pure incompetence, as he should have immediately have closed the regulator, as has to be frequently done on ex-Southern, later BR, Bullied 'light' Pacific's as they are very prone to light footiness and can slip at the slightest provocation! Once the slip passed the point of recovery, at the latest, the cylinder drain cocks should have been fully opened to release cylinder pressure.
One thing to say about this - actually 2
HALLS :y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqW6QmgoMhM
And BR 5MTs were better at hills than West Countries
Great scenes Martin only spoilt by Flying Scotsman's horrible German style smoke deflectors! :'( :'( :D :D ;)
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As for the driver allowing the engine into a violent slip, that was pure incompetence, as he should have immediately have closed the regulator, as has to be frequently done on ex-Southern, later BR, Bullied 'light' Pacific's as they are very prone to light footiness and can slip at the slightest provocation! Once the slip passed the point of recovery, at the latest, the cylinder drain cocks should have been fully opened to release cylinder pressure.
One thing to say about this - actually 2
HALLS :y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqW6QmgoMhM
And BR 5MTs were better at hills than West Countries
Great scenes Martin only spoilt by Flying Scotsman's horrible German style smoke deflectors! :'( :'( :D :D ;)
I am going to have to reupload all of my 16x9 material now youtube does widescreen