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Title: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 12:07:34
There was some recent discussion on this forum about Che Guevara.  The Politics Show on BBC1 NOW is about to feature Guevara daughter with some previously unshown footage of the revolutionary for those that are interested! ;D ;D ;D

(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/che_guevara_fidel_castro.jpg)

Che Guevara with Castro 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 12:19:44
Bannjaxx this could interest you, but I notice you are offline!! ::) ::) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: webby23 on 28 June 2009, 13:36:25
Che Guevara........??

Aint that him from that Pet Shop Boys song......???

Che Guevara and Debusi to a disco beat.......

Over my head Lizzie sorry !!!

  ;D:y
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Banjax on 28 June 2009, 14:00:10
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Bannjaxx this could interest you, but I notice you are offline!! ::) ::) ;) ;)

thanks for the heads up Lizzie  :y
i've missed it, but i'm sure it'll turn up on i-player  8-)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 14:13:29
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Bannjaxx this could interest you, but I notice you are offline!! ::) ::) ;) ;)

thanks for the heads up Lizzie  :y
i've missed it, but i'm sure it'll turn up on i-player  8-)

The ironic thing is so did I!! ::) ::) ::)  my daughter rang and I was on the phone for about an hour right the way through the second half of that programme. ::) ::) ::) ::)

Like you Bannjaxx I'll have to watch it on i-player. :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 18:21:31
Thanks for the picture Lizzie..

Two heroes which bring the freedom for Cuba against the dirty bloody violent hands of CIA which killed 6 million people on earth and still scr?wing every country including mine playing and planning every bad action >:( >:(   

of the two only one survived :'(
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Banjax on 28 June 2009, 18:28:45
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Thanks for the picture Lizzie..

Two heroes which bring the freedom for Cuba against the dirty bloody violent hands of CIA which killed 6 million people on earth and still scr?wing every country including mine playing and planning every bad action >:( >:(   

of the two only one survived :'(

Cem....put away the AK47....and back away slowly.....Cem? CEM!

 ;) ;) ;)let's not start another che thread comrade  :o
 :y :y :y

Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 18:32:58
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Thanks for the picture Lizzie..

Two heroes which bring the freedom for Cuba against the dirty bloody violent hands of CIA which killed 6 million people on earth and still scr?wing every country including mine playing and planning every bad action >:( >:(   

of the two only one survived :'(

Cem....put away the AK47....and back away slowly.....Cem? CEM!

 ;) ;) ;)let's not start another che thread comrade  :o
 :y :y :y


for them AK47 is not enough..and believe me everyword I have written is correct.. including the numbers.. :(
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 18:56:25
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Thanks for the picture Lizzie..

Two heroes which bring the freedom for Cuba against the dirty bloody violent hands of CIA which killed 6 million people on earth and still scr?wing every country including mine playing and planning every bad action >:( >:(   

of the two only one survived :'(

Cem....put away the AK47....and back away slowly.....Cem? CEM!

 ;) ;) ;)let's not start another che thread comrade  :o
 :y :y :y


for them AK47 is not enough..and believe me everyword I have written is correct.. including the numbers.. :(


With as you know Cem the revolution achieving its victory in January 1959, just over fifty years ago. ;) ;)  That is why I chose that picture!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 18:58:55
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Thanks for the picture Lizzie..

Two heroes which bring the freedom for Cuba against the dirty bloody violent hands of CIA which killed 6 million people on earth and still scr?wing every country including mine playing and planning every bad action >:( >:(   

of the two only one survived :'(

Cem....put away the AK47....and back away slowly.....Cem? CEM!

 ;) ;) ;)let's not start another che thread comrade  :o
 :y :y :y


for them AK47 is not enough..and believe me everyword I have written is correct.. including the numbers.. :(


With as you know Cem the revolution achieving its victory in January 1959, just over fifty years ago. ;) ;)  That is why I chose that picture!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

 :)

piccy is really historical, very rare pictures from that period ::) :y

Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 28 June 2009, 19:22:58
Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 19:28:28
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

So history, heavy politics, or mindless celebrity gossip! :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 19:30:02
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)


So history, heavy politics, or mindless celebrity gossip! :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;)


 ;D

currently watching Titanic for nth time but still I like it :)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 19:32:17
and before was a tv program about CIA >:(
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 19:35:42
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

 ;D

currently watching Titanic for nth time but still I like it :)

Ah, good one Cem! 8-) 8-) 8-)  A good semi-historical account, with a political slant about the nasty English and the poor down trodden Irish who built the unsinkable ship of Empire! 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D ;)

A great discussion point, which I can see developing towards the oppression of the peasants by the arrogant white western empires, latterly the USA in the 1960's in over Cuba with Marxist ideology winning through to a great victory; well for a small island!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

See, there is an historic and political angle for everything, is there not Professor Zulu?

Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 28 June 2009, 19:37:25
Something is trying to pull me in another direction and I don't know what it is :-/ :-/ :-/



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqPbkchgACw&feature=related[/media]
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 19:47:37
How spiffin old boy! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

From the days when the sun was starting to set on an empire, as political dangers were gathering in distant lands, when the populous enjoyed their last carefree times before the onslaught of a fire storm of war, that would change so much for ever. ;) ;)

You don't get me off history and politics that easily Zulu. ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 19:48:08
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

 ;D

currently watching Titanic for nth time but still I like it :)

Ah, good one Cem! 8-) 8-) 8-)  A good semi-historical account, with a political slant about the nasty English and the poor down trodden Irish who built the unsinkable ship of Empire! 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D ;)

A great discussion point, which I can see developing towards the oppression of the peasants by the arrogant white western empires, latterly the USA in the 1960's in over Cuba with Marxist ideology winning through to a great victory; well for a small island!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

See, there is an historic and political angle for everything, is there not Professor Zulu?


Actually dont know much about Irish-English..



for Marxists only poor and rich subject is important ;D :y
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 19:50:23
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

 ;D

currently watching Titanic for nth time but still I like it :)

Ah, good one Cem! 8-) 8-) 8-)  A good semi-historical account, with a political slant about the nasty English and the poor down trodden Irish who built the unsinkable ship of Empire! 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D ;)

A great discussion point, which I can see developing towards the oppression of the peasants by the arrogant white western empires, latterly the USA in the 1960's in over Cuba with Marxist ideology winning through to a great victory; well for a small island!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

See, there is an historic and political angle for everything, is there not Professor Zulu?


Actually dont know much about Irish-English..



for Marxists only poor and rich subject is important ;D :y

Believe me it is history that England cannot be proud of, and is still causing problems to this day :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 19:53:02
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

 ;D

currently watching Titanic for nth time but still I like it :)

Ah, good one Cem! 8-) 8-) 8-)  A good semi-historical account, with a political slant about the nasty English and the poor down trodden Irish who built the unsinkable ship of Empire! 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D ;)

A great discussion point, which I can see developing towards the oppression of the peasants by the arrogant white western empires, latterly the USA in the 1960's in over Cuba with Marxist ideology winning through to a great victory; well for a small island!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

See, there is an historic and political angle for everything, is there not Professor Zulu?


Actually dont know much about Irish-English..



for Marxists only poor and rich subject is important ;D :y

Believe me it is history that England cannot be proud of, and is still causing problems to this day :'( :'( :'(

we have also similiar problems..and still .. :-/

Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 19:57:15
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Do I smell another heavyweight thread developing here? ::) - as your resident establishment figure I might have to wade in, and it's much too nice an evening for that 8-) 8-) :y


Look at it this way Zulu, for tonight it is either that Glorious Revolution, the British Embassy situation in Iran and the growing international tensions, or.........Michael Jackson.....terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

 ;D

currently watching Titanic for nth time but still I like it :)

Ah, good one Cem! 8-) 8-) 8-)  A good semi-historical account, with a political slant about the nasty English and the poor down trodden Irish who built the unsinkable ship of Empire! 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D ;)

A great discussion point, which I can see developing towards the oppression of the peasants by the arrogant white western empires, latterly the USA in the 1960's in over Cuba with Marxist ideology winning through to a great victory; well for a small island!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

See, there is an historic and political angle for everything, is there not Professor Zulu?


Actually dont know much about Irish-English..



for Marxists only poor and rich subject is important ;D :y

Believe me it is history that England cannot be proud of, and is still causing problems to this day :'( :'( :'(

we have also similiar problems..and still .. :-/


Yes Cem, the Ottoman Empire did cause a few disruptions in its time, and is still from time to time with its historical political legacy :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 28 June 2009, 20:04:33
 ;D ;D ;D ;D I was thinking more of the exquisite liquid nectar from that small island as a matter of fact Ms Zoom rather than the heady intoxicating liquor of an Empire long gone - something like this......



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53sCut6XxZE&feature=related[/media]



....I'll even throw one in for cem.....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyJTpDFgc8[/media]
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 20:06:16
You may know from newspapers..

Every year many people die..in east.. in Kurdish problem..

Actually its a matter of economy where those people suffered for more than 500 years..even during Ottoman Empire time.. but in the last 20 years problem erupted.. :(

and some green papers also fuelled the fire.. >:(

during the Iraq war , and after invasion of Iraq, some zones become homeland for those people..

Arms become more easy to find..

and finally the "organization" start drug trade on whole Europe  :-/

Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 20:13:35
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You may know from newspapers..

Every year many people die..in east.. in Kurdish problem..

Actually its a matter of economy where those people suffered for more than 500 years..even during Ottoman Empire time.. but in the last 20 years problem erupted.. :(

and some green papers also fuelled the fire.. >:(

during the Iraq war , and after invasion of Iraq, some zones become homeland for those people..

Arms become more easy to find..

and finally the "organization" start drug trade on whole Europe  :-/



Lets face it Cem the whole of that region, north towards the Balkans and south east into the middle east and north Africa will be a political and ideological tinder box for many years (centuries?) yet to come!  That is just one of the reasons why Turkey should join Europe and provides links with the Islamic world and the white Christian "gentleman" club of Europe 8-) 8-) 8-).
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 20:17:36
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;D ;D ;D ;D I was thinking more of the exquisite liquid nectar from that small island as a matter of fact Ms Zoom rather than the heady intoxicating liquor of an Empire long gone - something like this......



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53sCut6XxZE&feature=related[/media]



....I'll even throw one in for cem.....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyJTpDFgc8[/media]

Was it by accident or design that you chose Sinatra to sing a song?  He, reputedly, was the "property" of the mafia who had "interests" in Cuba, which of course were swept aside with the revolution.  Something that just may have contributed to the assassination of JFK.

As for the music itself, both songs are classics and are wonderfully relaxing :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 28 June 2009, 20:20:31
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;D ;D ;D ;D I was thinking more of the exquisite liquid nectar from that small island as a matter of fact Ms Zoom rather than the heady intoxicating liquor of an Empire long gone - something like this......



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53sCut6XxZE&feature=related[/media]



....I'll even throw one in for cem.....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyJTpDFgc8[/media]

Was it by accident or design that you chose Sinatra to sing a song?  He, reputedly, was the "property" of the mafia who had "interests" in Cuba, which of course were swept aside with the revolution.  Something that just may have contributed to the assassination of JFK.

As for the music itself, both songs are classics and are wonderfully relaxing :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-)


 ;D ;D I have known you in another life Ms Zoom ;) ;) (not in the biblical sense)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 20:21:50
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You may know from newspapers..

Every year many people die..in east.. in Kurdish problem..

Actually its a matter of economy where those people suffered for more than 500 years..even during Ottoman Empire time.. but in the last 20 years problem erupted.. :(

and some green papers also fuelled the fire.. >:(

during the Iraq war , and after invasion of Iraq, some zones become homeland for those people..

Arms become more easy to find..

and finally the "organization" start drug trade on whole Europe  :-/



Lets face it Cem the whole of that region, north towards the Balkans and south east into the middle east and north Africa will be a political and ideological tinder box for many years (centuries?) yet to come!  That is just one of the reasons why Turkey should join Europe and provides links with the Islamic world and the white Christian "gentleman" club of Europe 8-) 8-) 8-).

agreed..

but problem is so complicated that even the multiplayers dont agree in many subjects..

and looking in the near future the "big brother" although saying support words , a lonely country may well suit some of its black book rules..

of the EU countries, honest and strong support from UK I'm afraid is not enough.. :-/
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 20:23:22
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;D ;D ;D ;D I was thinking more of the exquisite liquid nectar from that small island as a matter of fact Ms Zoom rather than the heady intoxicating liquor of an Empire long gone - something like this......



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53sCut6XxZE&feature=related[/media]



....I'll even throw one in for cem.....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyJTpDFgc8[/media]

Was it by accident or design that you chose Sinatra to sing a song?  He, reputedly, was the "property" of the mafia who had "interests" in Cuba, which of course were swept aside with the revolution.  Something that just may have contributed to the assassination of JFK.

As for the music itself, both songs are classics and are wonderfully relaxing :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-)


 ;D ;D I have known you in another life Ms Zoom ;) ;) (not in the biblical sense)

Could be Zulu! ;D ;D ;D ;)   I have a "special inner feeling" about Elizabethan and Edwardian England, don't know why!! ::) ::) :o :o :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 20:24:57
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;D ;D ;D ;D I was thinking more of the exquisite liquid nectar from that small island as a matter of fact Ms Zoom rather than the heady intoxicating liquor of an Empire long gone - something like this......



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53sCut6XxZE&feature=related[/media]



....I'll even throw one in for cem.....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyJTpDFgc8[/media]

Thanks Zulu :y :y

 I really like this song :y 
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 20:33:58
Sinatra , good singer and I like him also..

and as for mafia , they are no more dangerous than ...... (you may fill in the blank as you wish ;D)
and actually they were only tools by ..... ;D


Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 28 June 2009, 20:37:33
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Sinatra , good singer and I like him also..

and as for mafia , they are no more dangerous than ...... (you may fill in the blank as you wish ;D)
they weand actually re only tools by ..... ;D




....as ever cem you're not too far off ;D :y :y
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 June 2009, 20:40:20
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Sinatra , good singer and I like him also..

and as for mafia , they are no more dangerous than ...... (you may fill in the blank as you wish ;D)
they weand actually re only tools by ..... ;D




....as ever cem you're not too far off ;D :y :y


 :y :y
Title: Re: Che Guevara
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 June 2009, 20:45:19
Just finished watching Sir Trevor McDonald visiting Cuba during his tv series Secret Caribbean.   Absolutely fascinating! 8-) 8-) 8-) ;) ;)