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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 06 July 2009, 21:05:40
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The boys in green are coming as the Environment Agency sets up a squad to police companies generating excessive CO2 emissions.
The agency is creating a unit of about 50 auditors and inspectors, complete with warrant cards and the power to search company premises to enforce the Carbon Reduction Commitment (CRC), which comes into effect next year.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/public_sector/article6639289.ece
What a wizard idea. Let's completely screw what's left of British industry.
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They should be sending them to the usa, eastern europe, China and India to find the real culprits of carbon emmition production >:(
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Let's imagine for a moment that "climate change" had some concrete scientific evidence behind it. Mankind has been chucking out CO2 like mad since the industrial revolution. Is now really the right time to start clobbering industry, when it's already on its' knees?
From the green viewpoint, I guess it is. If they go bust they won't "pollute" any more. Be a real own goal if the sandal factory has to close though. ;)
Kevin
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They should be sending them to the usa, eastern europe, China and India to find the real culprits of carbon emmition production >:(
Tony. You're SO RIGHT :y
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I fear certain political factions have forgotten the finite (and perhaps unpleasant) fact that:
"Life is 100% fatal; none of us get out of it alive!"
Life is for living....things 'man' does to the planet can be wonderful and horrific in equal measure; I feel that natural law will find equilibrium (with or without future generations of humanity).
...and (much to their arrogant chagrin) 'come-day-go-day' politicians can make absolutely no effective interdiction in the fate of humanity...what will be will be! ;)
It`s a pity we have to suffer 'death by a thousand petty laws' in the meantime! ::)
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The agency is creating a unit of about 50 auditors and inspectors, complete with warrant cards
I have an image in my head of someone "badging out" with one of these warrant cards - "STOP - GREEN POLICE" ;D
In all seriousness - I sincerely hope that their "warrant cards" will not give them any more powers, than the right of entry to do their job
(and in my personal opinion, even that is too much).
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one word springs to mind ....B*ll*cks >:(
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The agency is creating a unit of about 50 auditors and inspectors, complete with warrant cards
I have an image in my head of someone "badging out" with one of these warrant cards - "STOP - GREEN POLICE" ;D
In all seriousness - I sincerely hope that their "warrant cards" will not give them any more powers, than the right of entry to do their job
(and in my personal opinion, even that is too much).
Lots of people you'd never imagine have powers of entry ....don't get a natty green jacket though! Probably look like an invasion of leprechauns ::)
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i suppose these yoghurt knitters will be government backed, just like the scientists who came up with this Co2 theory [aka crap], perhaps they should start in parliament as the bullsh1t the politicians talk must give off plenty of Co2 >:(
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i suppose these yoghurt knitters will be government backed, just like the scientists who came up with this Co2 theory [aka crap], perhaps they should start in parliament as the bullsh1t the politicians talk must give off plenty of Co2 >:(
Yes, that CO2 stuff is certainly making the world boil.
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(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/v6nick/02_09temperature.jpg)
Incidentally the anomaly, which is zero, shows that compared to the average of last 30 years (or thereabouts) of the 20th century, the world's temperature is.....unchanged. Where's that global warming, then?
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i suppose these yoghurt knitters will be government backed, just like the scientists who came up with this Co2 theory [aka crap], perhaps they should start in parliament as the bullsh1t the politicians talk must give off plenty of Co2 >:(
Yes, that CO2 stuff is certainly making the world boil.
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(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/v6nick/02_09temperature.jpg)
Incidentally the anomaly, which is zero, shows that compared to the average of last 30 years (or thereabouts) of the 20th century, the world's temperature is.....unchanged. Where's that global warming, then?
ah you see nick when they found out they were looking stupid due to it NOT getting hotter, one of their spin doctors [aka bullshit artists] changed the name to climate change so the con could continue, yet the yoghurt knitters & lentil munchers havent noticed this as they are too wrapped up in being anti car etc & dont even find time to wash ;)
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Co2 is a PRODUCT of temperature change NOT a cause.(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0228.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-war-smileys.php)(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0228.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-war-smileys.php)
My favourite piece on "global warming"
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/05/08/neptune-news/
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Co2 is a PRODUCT of temperature change NOT a cause.(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0228.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-war-smileys.php)(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0228.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-war-smileys.php)
My favourite piece on "global warming"
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/05/08/neptune-news/
Yes, good article, Ron. :y
These Greenies don't like the solar argument. "It's mankind wot dunnit", is their only mantra.
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Now hang on a min, I agree that a large amount of all this green stuff is total crap but........ If we produce CO2, the main thing that absorbs it is Trees, and if we keep destroying them to make "use once then burn" wood, it ain't goin' to keep working for long. Next I feel its not CO2 but C that is a major problem. I got asthma about 15years ago, while living in Leicester. However since moving up to yorkshire it has got better. A possible reason is leicestershire is in a hollow, so air polution tends to stay there, whereas up in yorkshire we are higher, so wind blows any crap away, so less agrovation to lungs etc. So air polution is a problem. You might not see it, but its there, and getting worse.
There is a limit as to much crap we can keep pumping into the environment, before it looses its ability to correct. They do say that there a lot of frozen methane under the pole, once that starts to melt, the control mechanism that is keeping balance will flip, and we will not be able to reverse the change, so the atmosphere will be changed for good.
There is a limit as to much crap and poison we can keep dumping onto the Earth, before She gives up.
Ken
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Now hang on a min, I agree that a large amount of all this green stuff is total crap but........ If we produce CO2, the main thing that absorbs it is Trees, and if we keep destroying them to make "use once then burn" wood, it ain't goin' to keep working for long. Next I feel its not CO2 but C that is a major problem. I got asthma about 15years ago, while living in Leicester. However since moving up to yorkshire it has got better. A possible reason is leicestershire is in a hollow, so air polution tends to stay there, whereas up in yorkshire we are higher, so wind blows any crap away, so less agrovation to lungs etc. So air polution is a problem. You might not see it, but its there, and getting worse.
There is a limit as to much crap we can keep pumping into the environment, before it looses its ability to correct. They do say that there a lot of frozen methane under the pole, once that starts to melt, the control mechanism that is keeping balance will flip, and we will not be able to reverse the change, so the atmosphere will be changed for good.
There is a limit as to much crap and poison we can keep dumping onto the Earth, before She gives up.
Ken
It's actually the oceans that absorb the most CO2. Of course, vegetation also absorbs CO2, but it promotes green growth. Deforestation is thankfully slowing, though clearly we need to remain very concerned about it.
CO2 itself will not cause your asthma, as you say. The pollution you talk of comes from various particulates and, in this respect, diesels are FAR worse than petrol engines.
However, I don't agree that air pollution is necessarily getting that much worse. On what basis do you claim that? Prior to the Clean Air Act, chimney smoke caused smogs (I recall having to go to school with a handkerchief over my mouth). There is always room for improvement, of course, but CO2 is not a pollutant. Incidentally, I always find it annoying when the media use pictures of cooling towers to show pollution, when the only thing coming out is water vapour. ::)
"They do say that there a lot of frozen methane under the pole, once that starts to melt, the control mechanism that is keeping balance will flip."
The poles have seen much less ice than now on a number of occasions in the past - and the Earth has not fried. And remember, the average temperature at the poles is in the minus 30 to -40 degree region. Even with a global rise in temperature of 2 degrees it would only make it get to the -28 to -38 region, if you catch my drift.
Besides which, I feel we should perhaps be more concerned about cooling, not warming. :-/
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A lot of truth in what you say, Nick, I recently insulated a loft in Bradford by pulling down the lath & plaster and fitting insulated stuff. The vast amount of dirt up there ws amazing, the only way it could have got there was from the air surrounding the house that has been pulled into the roof space by thermal effects.
Interesting to hear that its the sea that pulls most of the CO2 out, it must be getting a bit carbonic acid by now.
I'm not saying air polution is getting worse, I'm just saying its enough to cause respiratory problems like I'm now stuck with. Did they have asthma back in the days of coil fires everywhere ?. If not it might be diesel fumes causing it. BAN DIESELS !.
I haven't looked into the ice cap/methane thing, its just what I heard. I wonder how it got there in the first place ?, shows this old Earth has been through some changes in her life.
Re the cooling/heating thing, I think it is worrying if the level of resources we keep wasting causes a change to our environment. If it does then its a powerful weapon to get governments to do something, even if the actual change is minimal. And by the time MP's figure out they've been had...............
Ken
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student type bloke taps on the car window while i was waiting for the little'un to finish school "you should do your bit to save the planet and walk "
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Do you want my walking stick shoved up your arse
Cant stan do gooders
Feel better now
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A lot of truth in what you say, Nick, I recently insulated a loft in Bradford by pulling down the lath & plaster and fitting insulated stuff. The vast amount of dirt up there ws amazing, the only way it could have got there was from the air surrounding the house that has been pulled into the roof space by thermal effects.
Interesting to hear that its the sea that pulls most of the CO2 out, it must be getting a bit carbonic acid by now.
I'm not saying air polution is getting worse, I'm just saying its enough to cause respiratory problems like I'm now stuck with. Did they have asthma back in the days of coil fires everywhere ?. If not it might be diesel fumes causing it. BAN DIESELS !.
I haven't looked into the ice cap/methane thing, its just what I heard. I wonder how it got there in the first place ?, shows this old Earth has been through some changes in her life.
Re the cooling/heating thing, I think it is worrying if the level of resources we keep wasting causes a change to our environment. If it does then its a powerful weapon to get governments to do something, even if the actual change is minimal. And by the time MP's figure out they've been had...............
Ken
Maybe I need to explain that the oceans absorb more CO2 when they are cooler and degas when they are warmer (by the same principle, a warm can of beer froths more readily than a cold one). The oceans have an 'acidity' measured on a pH scale of around 8.0, a figure larger than neutral pH=7.0, which means that they are alkaline or basic. More CO2 would result in reduced alkalinity, rather than acidification per se.
However, the story is not that simple, since plankton, decomposing bacteria, subterranean plant and animal life, and rocks all play a part in the carbon cycle. CO2 readily dissolves in pure water but, as I understand it, this effect is non-linear, i.e. it dissolves less as the pH is reduced.
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Just to back up what i claimed earlier:
Trees absorb one-fifth of CO2 emissions:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/forests/4690299/Trees-absorb-a-fifth-of-carbon-emissions-pumped-out-by-humans.html
Oceans absorb one-half of CO2 emissions:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0715_040715_oceancarbon.html
There is an accounting problem, though, as some CO2 seems to go missing. It is likely that it disappears into the general biosphere. Plant-life thrives with increased CO2...which is helpful for food production.