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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Del Boy on 07 July 2009, 19:43:32
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Just saw this on BMW owners due to someone speeding he said:
Just seen this post..... an interesting point to note was that I had a family member who was pulled over, and the copper showed him the laser gun. But then this guys asked the copper to prove that laser reading was for his car, and not the car in front, behind, or indeed any other car......the copper said "you done this before?"....to which he replied..."lets just say i know my rights." That was the end of it.
Also, i heard that the copper cant just sit there with the laser out, waiting to catch someone. The law states they have to suspect you are speeding, and then use the laser to prove/check your speed. Also - there should be line of sight between you and the laser, so bascially, they cant/shouldnt hide round a corner to catch people out.
Is the highlighted part true?
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They have to form a prior opinion that you were speeding, before using any measurement device.
Camera van staff are notorious for zapping anything that moves, as soon as they can see it.
Traffic officers need line of sight to be able to "hit" your car, but can be sat where they please... regardless of if you can see them from a mile away, or a millimetre.
Around these Northern parts, the trafpol tend to play very fair as it is, can't speak for their Southern counterparts.
The question about whether the laser speed reading was definitely for your car could work in your favour... or it could talk you into a court summons to argue, rather than you getting a telling-off... and courts hold police officers in high regard.
HTH :y
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laser is obviously true. rest (but I guessing) is probably 'dangle berries'
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way I see it is we all know the rules of the game so if you get caught your caught and theres no point in trying to wriggle out of it
If you cant accept the punishment of being caught then dont break the rules.
Doug
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way I see it is we all know the rules of the game so if you get caught your caught and theres no point in trying to wriggle out of it
If you cant accept the punishment of being caught then dont break the rules.
Doug
bang on :y
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way I see it is we all know the rules of the game so if you get caught your caught and theres no point in trying to wriggle out of it
If you cant accept the punishment of being caught then dont break the rules.
Doug
bang on :y
Defiantley :y
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way I see it is we all know the rules of the game so if you get caught your caught and theres no point in trying to wriggle out of it
If you cant accept the punishment of being caught then dont break the rules.
Doug
bang on :y
Defiantley :y
But ......... Unless they can show evidence in court of the camera being calbrated at the start of the dhift then there is a chance you can get off with the ticket.
Plenty of info about regards calibration, especially about 1 model of gun, just cant remember the details.
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way I see it is we all know the rules of the game so if you get caught your caught and theres no point in trying to wriggle out of it
If you cant accept the punishment of being caught then dont break the rules.
Doug
And putting hands up and taking it generally gets a more lenient approach :y :y :y :y
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way I see it is we all know the rules of the game so if you get caught your caught and theres no point in trying to wriggle out of it
If you cant accept the punishment of being caught then dont break the rules.
Doug
bang on :y
Defiantley :y
But ......... Unless they can show evidence in court of the camera being calbrated at the start of the dhift then there is a chance you can get off with the ticket.
Plenty of info about regards calibration, especially about 1 model of gun, just cant remember the details.
Thats handy to know :y
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Lasers are required to be calibrated once a year and a certificate issued. Furthermore they should be checked against against a police car with a certified calibrated speedometer before and after any tour of duty. If you get to court you can demand to see evidence that this had been complied with. Speeding is viewed as a summary offence (tried by a magistrate) and there is no automatic right to prior disclosure - although the police will often prove willing to release the calibration records (particularly if they are in order).
You could also request the training records of the officer concerned. The laser has a very high skill requirement. Furthermore lasers should never be operated through glass or in poor visibility as it can distort the reading, but they are usable at night.
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Apparenty to calibrade the point the laser at a flat surface (The number plate ) this is more accurate on a tripod mount than a hand held. I have seen vids on the hand held being calibrated but it looks like Youtube has had to pull them, they where shocking and totally inacurate.
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Have not read this in full but i think gives a good indiction of the point.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-365563/The-great-speed-gun-scandal.html
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But if you know you were well over the limit, dont be a pratt, just accept the punishment.
All the above is based on the fact you were a law abiding citizen.
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Yeah defiantley, the bloke in question said he was doing 96mph so he is in the wrong straight away and shouldn't of done it, he's hoping to find any little way out of it.
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So... Proof of calibration at the start and finish of the shift, is it?
Notebook entry to say its been done? Would that suffive? Most courts think so....
Takes the same length of time to do as it does to write. Does that mean it was actually carried out? :-X
Kit thats a laser range finder is, apparently, the LTI2020, I think.
Personally, if travelling at a few leptons faster than you should have been, and you know you were, why argue?
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So... Proof of calibration at the start and finish of the shift, is it?
Notebook entry to say its been done? Would that suffive? Most courts think so....
Takes the same length of time to do as it does to write. Does that mean it was actually carried out? :-X
Kit thats a laser range finder is, apparently, the LTI2020, I think.
Personally, if travelling at a few leptons faster than you should have been, and you know you were, why argue?
Totally agree. But after seeing how in acurate they can be. if i was caught and within the 10% in my mind i feel I would have to challenge it, especiaally after seeing how poor they are on video. (Under calibrating)
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Pisspoor spelling and punctuation, but you will get the gist...
http://www.copradar.com/preview/chapt4/ch4d1.html
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A good one for a court visit. (has been posted before)
Two British traffic patrol officers from North Berwick were involved in an unusual incident while checking for speeding motorists on the A1 Great North Road. One of the officers used a hand-held radar device to check the speed of a vehicle approaching over the crest of a hill, and was surprised when the speed was recorded at over 300 mph. Their radar suddenly stopped working and the officers were not able to reset it.
Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact latched on to a RAF Tornado fighter jet which was engaged in a low-flying exercise over the Border district, approaching from the North Sea.
Back at police headquarters the chief constable fired off a stiff complaint to the RAF Liaison office.
Back came the reply in true laconic RAF style:
"Thank you for your message, which allows us to complete the file on this incident. You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Tornado had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked onto, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it. Furthermore, an air-to-ground missile aboard the fully-armed aircraft had also automatically locked onto your equipment. Fortunately the pilot flying the Tornado recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile systems alert status, and was able to override the automated defence system before the missile was launched and your hostile radar installation was destroyed"
So - what would be the fine on that one?
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A good one for a court visit. (has been posted before)
Two British traffic patrol officers from North Berwick were involved in an unusual incident while checking for speeding motorists on the A1 Great North Road. One of the officers used a hand-held radar device to check the speed of a vehicle approaching over the crest of a hill, and was surprised when the speed was recorded at over 300 mph. Their radar suddenly stopped working and the officers were not able to reset it.
Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact latched on to a RAF Tornado fighter jet which was engaged in a low-flying exercise over the Border district, approaching from the North Sea.
Back at police headquarters the chief constable fired off a stiff complaint to the RAF Liaison office.
Back came the reply in true laconic RAF style:
"Thank you for your message, which allows us to complete the file on this incident. You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Tornado had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked onto, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it. Furthermore, an air-to-ground missile aboard the fully-armed aircraft had also automatically locked onto your equipment. Fortunately the pilot flying the Tornado recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile systems alert status, and was able to override the automated defence system before the missile was launched and your hostile radar installation was destroyed"
So - what would be the fine on that one?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Well known urban myth.... The police force in question changes in relation to the nearest RAF establishment....
Good tale, if true, though.... :y
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still an interesting read though. :y :y
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Don't know how it is in UK but in my country the cop is let's say "representative of the law" and although he doesn't show you the picture in court or to you his word is more valid than yours.
I've had two times argument with them cause those damn crocks taken another reading of another car and stopped me even when I wasn't speeding. That sh.. called laser allows for a heavy manipulation from police side.
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reckon i would just pay the fine......saves the rozzers marking your car and you end up getting pulled every 5 mins!