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Title: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 12:59:39
We have the above new section on this forum, and I am wondering when the admins will be approving entries to this zone.

In another thread I have recommended Autoglass, and in addition I would love the key fob services of Martin Imber to be advertised.  In both cases I believe, with personal experience and noting the opinions of other members, that these suppliers serve Omega owners well.

No doubt other members have other suppliers to recommend under the same criteria??

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Elite Pete on 06 July 2009, 13:01:13
Me and Loo Knee have asked to be included but I don't think there has been a decission made yet.
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 13:03:15
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Me and Loo Knee have asked to be included but I don't think there has been a decission made yet.


Indeed Pete, your services are an excellent example of a worthy entry, me thinks! 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Elite Pete on 06 July 2009, 13:04:33
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Me and Loo Knee have asked to be included but I don't think there has been a decission made yet.


Indeed Pete, your services are an excellent example of a worthy entry, me thinks! 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
Blimey Lizzie, you will have everyone talking  :-*;D ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: bob.dent on 06 July 2009, 13:07:09
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Me and Loo Knee have asked to be included but I don't think there has been a decission made yet.


Indeed Pete, your services are an excellent example of a worthy entry, me thinks! 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
Blimey Lizzie, you will have everyone talking  :-*;D ;D

Too late!!  [smiley=evil.gif] ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 13:07:09
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Me and Loo Knee have asked to be included but I don't think there has been a decission made yet.


Indeed Pete, your services are an excellent example of a worthy entry, me thinks! 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
Blimey Lizzie, you will have everyone talking  :-*;D ;D


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sometimes I do not realise the double meaning of my written composition!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Jimbob on 06 July 2009, 13:09:47
Aye, JPAT and OPIE should go in too imho

along with Wheels In Motion

think autoglass are too large to put in myself  :-/
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Debs. on 06 July 2009, 13:16:42
Surely, OOF members whom offer Tech II analysis should also be in this section.....I know their services are mentioned elsewhere on the forum; but it would be much easier to find in the "Recommended Sellers & Services" section (especially-so for newbies).
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Jimbob on 06 July 2009, 13:21:09
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Surely, OOF members whom offer Tech II analysis should also be in this section.....I know their services are mentioned elsewhere on the forum; but it would be much easier to find in the "Recommended Sellers & Services" section (especially-so for newbies).


I dunno, they would have to prove their worth and get a few recomendations 1st  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 13:30:37
There is some very interesting points by Jimbob and Debs coming out here.

Do you think that before a 'supplier' (national or local, or not?) is listed they must have a minimum level of members approval?  Say, perhaps 10 or 15 members must recommend before a supplier is approved? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: tigers_gonads on 06 July 2009, 13:41:18

if anybody needs there windows tinting in the hull / e yokshire area then i know a man  :y

top bloke and a good customer of mine over the past few years  :y

he did the windows on my old miggy estate.  told him i was going away on holiday the next day and needed it done quick !

i dropped it of at his work unit at 4pm and he gave me a lift home  :y    he worked on it all evening and picked me up at 11:30 pm so i could collect it  :y :y

cracking job and very reasonable too  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 06 July 2009, 14:14:40
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There is some very interesting points by Jimbob and Debs coming out here.

Do you think that before a 'supplier' (national or local, or not?) is listed they must have a minimum level of members approval?  Say, perhaps 10 or 15 members must recommend before a supplier is approved? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/


........you're developing an important point here Ms Zoom.

One person’s satisfaction with either goods or services is another's dissatisfaction.

There is always the likelihood that unless a sensibly worded disclaimer to protect the forum administrators and members who recommend such services, there would be a possible legal liability on same should there be a problem arising from such recommendations.

 The majority using this forum would, I hope, take any such recommendation in the spirit, in which it was given, but human nature can't be dismissed and where there is blame to be apportioned in the event of an incident, the fact that the recommendation came from a fellow forum member sometimes becomes meaningless.

Many people tend to protect their own interests before adhering to honour, unfortunately.

The allure of this forum is many-fold and we all depend on the experiences and recommendations of fellow members to look after our vehicles in the most cost effective way possible, but in today's litigious society sensible precautions would, I suggest, need to be taken so that we all may continue to avail of the wide ranging experience seen on this forum.

This would also hold true I would say for specific legal advice given in open forum such as Killers letter pro-forma shown on the Vamps Debit Collections Agency post.
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 14:20:12
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There is some very interesting points by Jimbob and Debs coming out here.

Do you think that before a 'supplier' (national or local, or not?) is listed they must have a minimum level of members approval?  Say, perhaps 10 or 15 members must recommend before a supplier is approved? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/


........you're developing an important point here Ms Zoom.

One person’s satisfaction with either goods or services is another's dissatisfaction.

There is always the likelihood that unless a sensibly worded disclaimer to protect the forum administrators and members who recommend such services, there would be a possible legal liability on same should there be a problem arising from such recommendations.

 The majority using this forum would, I hope, take any such recommendation in the spirit, in which it was given, but human nature can't be dismissed and where there is blame to be apportioned in the event of an incident, the fact that the recommendation came from a fellow forum member sometimes becomes meaningless.

Many people tend to protect their own interests before adhering to honour, unfortunately.

The allure of this forum is many-fold and we all depend on the experiences and recommendations of fellow members to look after our vehicles in the most cost effective way possible, but in today's litigious society sensible precautions would, I suggest, need to be taken so that we all may continue to avail of the wide ranging experience seen on this forum.

This would also hold true I would say for specific legal advice given in open forum such as Killers letter pro-forma shown on the Vamps Debit Collections Agency post.


This  has often occurred to me Zulu and I would be very surprised if the admins did not apply a legally worded disclaimer to that section to protect the OOF and the individual members supporting a recommendation for approval from any future claims of liability. 

But I believe already the OOF has a geneeral disclaimer covering advice, instruction, and guidance given by members. ;) ;) 
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 July 2009, 14:22:42
How I understood this New Section, it was so that members of this forum don't get ripped off... There have been a few on here over the years that have paid for parts and not recieved them. This was the reason why the Post Count Rule was brought in.
There is only one Seller of Parts on here that I would personally buy anything off and thats Markie Mark.
So I would like to Recommed Markie Mark.

Lets see if that gets him on the list.
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 14:23:43
Found one of the disclaimers on the Maintence Guide Section:

"None of these guides are endorsed by the owners or administrators of this forum. You follow any of these guides at your own risk".

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: TheBoy on 06 July 2009, 14:48:14
Firstly, the Admin Team have not decided exactly how this new section will work, we have more important things to deal with both on and off the forum.  My current priority is getting the shop fixed for example.

So the following is me speaking personally, not as an Admin.

Initially, a few select members would be given a new status of Recommended Supplier, which would enable them to start a single thread in that section, descibing services and capabilities. Any member would be able to respond to that thread with their experience of that service received. The Recommended Seller would not be able to add to his post or reply to queries, and members would only be allowed to post their experiences. This is to stop stealth bumping.  Recommended Sellers not living up to our very high expectations would have that status revoked, and their thread in that section nuked.

The criteria as to who gets the Recommended Seller status would have to be defined (though not necessarily published). It would certainly be based on satisfaction levels, but also things like what they can do extra for OOF members, be it discounts or better capabilities than available elsewhere, or both ;).  This is bound to be controversial decisions, and some sellers may get upset.  Those that are given the status, then have it removed due to apparently not meeting our high expectations, I guess they are going to end up being pretty upset.


Whilst I feel it will be incredibly useful to members, this whole section is likely to be a headache for the Mods covering it, which is why I certainly haven't been in any hurry to get it up and running, and ultimately, it may get nuked.
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 14:51:24
Thanks TB that makes the situation very clear and straightforward 8-) 8-).  Now we know. :y :y :y
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Jimbob on 06 July 2009, 14:52:30
That definition of the section does sound a minefield!

Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: TheBoy on 06 July 2009, 14:52:48
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Thanks TB that makes the situation very clear and straightforward 8-) 8-).  Now we know. :y :y :y
Thats my view, not necessarily the admin view ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 06 July 2009, 15:12:59
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Found one of the disclaimers on the Maintence Guide Section:

"None of these guides are endorsed by the owners or administrators of this forum. You follow any of these guides at your own risk".

 ;) ;)


....I would see that as protecting the forum administrators from any advice given leading to unforeseen circumstances but it may not cover the individual offering the advice :-/
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 06 July 2009, 15:19:09
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Firstly, the Admin Team have not decided exactly how this new section will work, we have more important things to deal with both on and off the forum.  My current priority is getting the shop fixed for example.

So the following is me speaking personally, not as an Admin.

Initially, a few select members would be given a new status of Recommended Supplier, which would enable them to start a single thread in that section, descibing services and capabilities. Any member would be able to respond to that thread with their experience of that service received. The Recommended Seller would not be able to add to his post or reply to queries, and members would only be allowed to post their experiences. This is to stop stealth bumping.  Recommended Sellers not living up to our very high expectations would have that status revoked, and their thread in that section nuked.

The criteria as to who gets the Recommended Seller status would have to be defined (though not necessarily published). It would certainly be based on satisfaction levels, but also things like what they can do extra for OOF members, be it discounts or better capabilities than available elsewhere, or both ;).  This is bound to be controversial decisions, and some sellers may get upset.  Those that are given the status, then have it removed due to apparently not meeting our high expectations, I guess they are going to end up being pretty upset.

Whilst I feel it will be incredibly useful to members, this whole section is likely to be a headache for the Mods covering it, which is why I certainly haven't been in any hurry to get it up and running, and ultimately, it may get nuked.


....and those points highlighted, TB, would be the ones most wisely considered to be the stumbling block to any such proposals :y
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 06 July 2009, 15:27:51
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Firstly, the Admin Team have not decided exactly how this new section will work, we have more important things to deal with both on and off the forum.  My current priority is getting the shop fixed for example.

So the following is me speaking personally, not as an Admin.

Initially, a few select members would be given a new status of Recommended Supplier, which would enable them to start a single thread in that section, descibing services and capabilities. Any member would be able to respond to that thread with their experience of that service received. The Recommended Seller would not be able to add to his post or reply to queries, and members would only be allowed to post their experiences. This is to stop stealth bumping.  Recommended Sellers not living up to our very high expectations would have that status revoked, and their thread in that section nuked.

The criteria as to who gets the Recommended Seller status would have to be defined (though not necessarily published). It would certainly be based on satisfaction levels, but also things like what they can do extra for OOF members, be it discounts or better capabilities than available elsewhere, or both ;).  This is bound to be controversial decisions, and some sellers may get upset.  Those that are given the status, then have it removed due to apparently not meeting our high expectations, I guess they are going to end up being pretty upset.

Whilst I feel it will be incredibly useful to members, this whole section is likely to be a headache for the Mods covering it, which is why I certainly haven't been in any hurry to get it up and running, and ultimately, it may get nuked.


....and those points highlighted, TB, would be the ones most wisely considered to be the stumbling block to any such proposals :y


.........and thus Zulu would make it very likely that this section will be "nuked" as TB suggests. ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 06 July 2009, 15:47:43
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Firstly, the Admin Team have not decided exactly how this new section will work, we have more important things to deal with both on and off the forum.  My current priority is getting the shop fixed for example.

So the following is me speaking personally, not as an Admin.

Initially, a few select members would be given a new status of Recommended Supplier, which would enable them to start a single thread in that section, descibing services and capabilities. Any member would be able to respond to that thread with their experience of that service received. The Recommended Seller would not be able to add to his post or reply to queries, and members would only be allowed to post their experiences. This is to stop stealth bumping.  Recommended Sellers not living up to our very high expectations would have that status revoked, and their thread in that section nuked.

The criteria as to who gets the Recommended Seller status would have to be defined (though not necessarily published). It would certainly be based on satisfaction levels, but also things like what they can do extra for OOF members, be it discounts or better capabilities than available elsewhere, or both ;).  This is bound to be controversial decisions, and some sellers may get upset.  Those that are given the status, then have it removed due to apparently not meeting our high expectations, I guess they are going to end up being pretty upset.

Whilst I feel it will be incredibly useful to members, this whole section is likely to be a headache for the Mods covering it, which is why I certainly haven't been in any hurry to get it up and running, and ultimately, it may get nuked.


....and those points highlighted, TB, would be the ones most wisely considered to be the stumbling block to any such proposals :y


.........and thus Zulu would make it very likely that this section will be "nuked" as TB suggests. ;)



...sensibly so in my view, Ms Zoom :y
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: TheBoy on 06 July 2009, 17:05:44
but as it would be of immense use to the membership here, its something that needs further consideration.


Based purely on the hassles and overheads, we should have nuked the For Sale sections ages ago ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 06 July 2009, 17:25:59
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but as it would be of immense use to the membership here, its something that needs further consideration.

Based purely on the hassles and overheads, we should have nuked the For Sale sections ages ago ;)


....that's the catch 22 TB,  I suppose a lot of us are unaware of the practical difficulties to be considered when discussing such a facility, but I suppose it falls upon someone to bite the bullet if the desire is to become reality.

 An additional section to an already very useful and practical forum is always appealing, providing it doesn't place additional burdens on those administering it :y

I would certainly thank you and the other administrators for all you do to make this work so well. :y :y
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 06 July 2009, 19:58:08
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Firstly, the Admin Team have not decided exactly how this new section will work, we have more important things to deal with both on and off the forum.  My current priority is getting the shop fixed for example.

So the following is me speaking personally, not as an Admin.

Initially, a few select members would be given a new status of Recommended Supplier, which would enable them to start a single thread in that section, descibing services and capabilities. Any member would be able to respond to that thread with their experience of that service received. The Recommended Seller would not be able to add to his post or reply to queries, and members would only be allowed to post their experiences. This is to stop stealth bumping.  Recommended Sellers not living up to our very high expectations would have that status revoked, and their thread in that section nuked.

The criteria as to who gets the Recommended Seller status would have to be defined (though not necessarily published). It would certainly be based on satisfaction levels, but also things like what they can do extra for OOF members, be it discounts or better capabilities than available elsewhere, or both ;).  This is bound to be controversial decisions, and some sellers may get upset.  Those that are given the status, then have it removed due to apparently not meeting our high expectations, I guess they are going to end up being pretty upset.


Whilst I feel it will be incredibly useful to members, this whole section is likely to be a headache for the Mods covering it, which is why I certainly haven't been in any hurry to get it up and running, and ultimately, it may get nuked.

good brief..

I agree your style of approach.. :y

Commercial subjects where money and firm or personal names are on the net, it must be handled very carefully..  And actually if any problem arises the admins will be toast in the problem.. :-/

However I see some new members finding some ways to advertise which causes another problem.. :-/
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: Auto Addict on 08 July 2009, 07:01:37
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Thanks TB that makes the situation very clear and straightforward 8-) 8-).  Now we know. :y :y :y
Thats my view, not necessarily the admin view ;)

But endorsed by me.
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 08 July 2009, 16:47:19
Personal opinion - major headache and should be removed entirely.

my initial thought is that I don't think I'd want to be on the list for various reasons - let alone have responsibility to maintain it!
Title: Re: Recommended Sellers and Services
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 July 2009, 16:54:41
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Personal opinion - major headache and should be removed entirely.

my initial thought is that I don't think I'd want to be on the list for various reasons - let alone have responsibility to maintain it!


....that's not the list you need to worry about James ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y