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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
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We've been told ten years ago that now the weather in this part of the world would be like the South of Spain, well, I'm still waiting ::)
I think there is definetly some "green shoots" of common sense starting to appear on the subject of global warming. Some people who aren't too thick to have an original thought have had enough. >:(
Go on to google and type "global warming is" and look at the suggestions ;D
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We've been told ten years ago that now the weather in this part of the world would be like the South of Spain, well, I'm still waiting ::)
I think there is definetly some "green shoots" of common sense starting to appear on the subject of global warming. Some people who aren't too thick to have an original thought have had enough. >:(
Go on to google and type "global warming is" and look at the suggestions ;D
Could be a long wait, Ron.
Chicago has its coolest July 8 in 118 years:
http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/chicago-has-its-coolest-july-8-in-118-years/
May 2009 in New Zealand, the coldest on record:
http://www.times-age.co.nz/local/news/may-the-coldest-on-record-niwa-figures-show/3901165/
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We've been told ten years ago that now the weather in this part of the world would be like the South of Spain, well, I'm still waiting ::)
I think there is definetly some "green shoots" of common sense starting to appear on the subject of global warming. Some people who aren't too thick to have an original thought have had enough. >:(
Go on to google and type "global warming is" and look at the suggestions ;D
Could be a long wait, Ron.
Chicago has its coolest July 8 in 118 years:
http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/chicago-has-its-coolest-july-8-in-118-years/
May 2009 in New Zealand, the coldest on record:
http://www.times-age.co.nz/local/news/may-the-coldest-on-record-niwa-figures-show/3901165/
Very good Nick :y Looks like I'll be waiting for a white Christmass ::)
This one takes the biscuit ;D
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/06/04/gore-invests-carbon-credit-company-will-media-care
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Heaven And Earth: Global Warming - The Missing Science by Ian Plimer
It is on offer at Amazon, down from £25 to £20, but currently out of stock. ::) ::) ::)
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(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/HeavenEarth.jpg)
Heaven And Earth: Global Warming - The Missing Science by Ian Plimer
It is on offer at Amazon, down from £25 to £20, but currently out of stock. ::) ::) ::)
Here it is :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Heaven-And-Earth-Global-Warming-Th-Plimer-Ian-New_W0QQitemZ250459246762QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_NonFictionBooks_NonFictionBooks_SM?hash=item3a5088d0aa&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|293%3A1|294%3A50
Might wait for the film ;D :D
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(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/HeavenEarth.jpg)
Heaven And Earth: Global Warming - The Missing Science by Ian Plimer
It is on offer at Amazon, down from £25 to £20, but currently out of stock. ::) ::) ::)
Here it is :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Heaven-And-Earth-Global-Warming-Th-Plimer-Ian-New_W0QQitemZ250459246762QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_NonFictionBooks_NonFictionBooks_SM?hash=item3a5088d0aa&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|293%3A1|294%3A50
Might wait for the film ;D :D
Thanks Ron, but I think I'll wait for it at £20 on Amazon. :y :y
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....that unfortunate child has long since been ejected
Ms Zoom - now let's see when that was........ ah yes, when New Labour gained their second term of government >:(
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....that unfortunate child has long since been ejected
Ms Zoom - now let's see when that was........ ah yes, when New Labour gained their second term of government >:(
I disagree Zulu, we have not actually arrived at that point....yet.......but we are fast approaching it, and that witnessed so far will seem insignificant compared what could come next ::) ::) ::) ::) There is still time for the truth to come out before the politicians take far greater action against our every day lives 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....that unfortunate child has long since been ejected
Ms Zoom - now let's see when that was........ ah yes, when New Labour gained their second term of government >:(
I disagree Zulu, we have not actually arrived at that point....yet.......but we are fast approaching it, and that witnessed so far will seem insignificant compared what could come next ::) ::) ::) ::) There is still time for the truth to come out before the politicians take far greater action against our every day lives 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
I reckon that will happen when children currently being brought up and brainwashed to believe all this rubbish leave school. It was in another thread a while back about primany school children having anxiety about damaging the planet. >:( >:(
I got out just in time :o
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....that unfortunate child has long since been ejected
Ms Zoom - now let's see when that was........ ah yes, when New Labour gained their second term of government >:(
I disagree Zulu, we have not actually arrived at that point....yet.......but we are fast approaching it, and that witnessed so far will seem insignificant compared what could come next ::) ::) ::) ::) There is still time for the truth to come out before the politicians take far greater action against our every day lives 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....it is with great regret that I must disagree with you, Ms Zoom :( but ameloriate that statement by expressing the following :-* :-* :-* :-*
New Labour solidified their stance on this manipulative way forward when the dear departed Leader was held in high esteem.
His flair for camp, almost foppish, chummy, shirt-sleeved delivery was instrumental in softening up the populace so the seeds of such crazy ideas were willingly cultivated by an enamoured following.
The systematic destruction of the means necessary to express opinion to the contrary and have it respected by the administration has meant, in my view, that the Rubicon of public awareness to these dangers has indeed been crossed.
You are quite correct of course, we 'aint seen nothin' yet!
The wretched thing about this environmental debate is the almost evangelical fervour with which it is conducted, labelling those who prefer to establish their own opinion based on sensible investigation to be castigated as heretics!
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This sort of input clouds the issue somewhat and is typical of those who profess from a position where the drastic results of such proposed actions, will not be felt!
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/just-96-months-to-save-world-says-charles-1738049.html
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This sort of input clouds the issue somewhat and is typical of those who profess from a position where the drastic results of such proposed actions, will not be felt!
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/just-96-months-to-save-world-says-charles-1738049.html
Yes, and one should note that he is brainwashed advised by Jonathan Porritt and Tony Juniper, neither of whom have any scientific qualifications.
Furthermore, you will see here that they both recently campaigned for the Green Party. I always thought that, by tradition, the Royal Family stayed well clear of party politics... :( :(
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/29-04-2009-juniper-porritt-vote-Green.html
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Shall be buying that book :y
Thanks for that Nick.
I've said all along that the whole thing is a load of the proverbial male cow excrement
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This sort of input clouds the issue somewhat and is typical of those who profess from a position where the drastic results of such proposed actions, will not be felt!
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/just-96-months-to-save-world-says-charles-1738049.html
Yes, and one should note that he is brainwashed advised by Jonathan Porritt and Tony Juniper, neither of whom have any scientific qualifications.
Furthermore, you will see here that they both recently campaigned for the Green Party. I always thought that, by tradition, the Royal Family stayed well clear of party politics... :( :(
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/29-04-2009-juniper-porritt-vote-Green.html
....permit me to be uncharacteristically frank here......idiotS!!!!!
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Aha! So, this is what it is all about:
“I bring you good news from the U.S.," Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.
“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate.
Gore touted the climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming.
“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through [size=12]global governance[/size] and global agreements.”[/i]
H/T Climate Depot
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Global-Governance
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Aha! So, this is what it is all about:
“I bring you good news from the U.S.," Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.
“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate.
Gore touted the climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming.
“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through [size=12]global governance[/size][/u] and global agreements.”[/i]
H/T Climate Depot
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-[highlight]Will-Help-Bring-About-Global-Governance[/highlight]
....well, well, well, are these people serious?
The desire of this whole movement towards such lofty goals should start the alarms sounding in every right thinking and well adjusted person on the planet.
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Aha! So, this is what it is all about:
“I bring you good news from the U.S.," Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.
“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate.
Gore touted the climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming.
“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through [size=12]global governance[/size][/u] and global agreements.”[/i]
H/T Climate Depot
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-[highlight]Will-Help-Bring-About-Global-Governance[/highlight]
....well, well, well, are these people serious?
The desire of this whole movement towards such lofty goals should start the alarms sounding in every right thinking and well adjusted person on the planet.
Sadly, yes. >:(
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....that unfortunate child has long since been ejected
Ms Zoom - now let's see when that was........ ah yes, when New Labour gained their second term of government >:(
I disagree Zulu, we have not actually arrived at that point....yet.......but we are fast approaching it, and that witnessed so far will seem insignificant compared what could come next ::) ::) ::) ::) There is still time for the truth to come out before the politicians take far greater action against our every day lives 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
I reckon that will happen when children currently being brought up and brainwashed to believe all this rubbish leave school. It was in another thread a while back about primany school children having anxiety about damaging the planet. >:( >:(
I got out just in time :o
When I was in Primary School there was talk of us facing another 'Ice Age'........ ::) ::) ::)
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A very thought provoking article Nick and I will be purchasing his book as soon as possible :y :y :y :y :y.
We definately require educated, well balanced, and fully informed input into the environmental debate before we throw the baby out with the bathwater! ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) 8-)
.....that unfortunate child has long since been ejected
Ms Zoom - now let's see when that was........ ah yes, when New Labour gained their second term of government >:(
I disagree Zulu, we have not actually arrived at that point....yet.......but we are fast approaching it, and that witnessed so far will seem insignificant compared what could come next ::) ::) ::) ::) There is still time for the truth to come out before the politicians take far greater action against our every day lives 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
I reckon that will happen when children currently being brought up and brainwashed to believe all this rubbish leave school. It was in another thread a while back about primany school children having anxiety about damaging the planet. >:( >:(
I got out just in time :o
When I was in Primary School there was talk of us facing another 'Ice Age'........ ::) ::) ::)
...I'm experiencing just such a thing at the moment Vamps - only in my case it's for sitting at this computer for too long ;)
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
I presume you class me as a "denier". It's a horrid term.
I do not believe that anthropogenic CO2 drives temperatures. That's all.
I think many do care about the environment...I know I do. Furthermore, there is little money on the sceptic side. There is scant research money and very little media money. You can read how difficult it was for the author to get his book published! In the end he found a struggling couple who were prepared to get it into print. He even refused to take an advance, knowing how destitute they were. Happily for all, though, the book has taken off. :y
As a final thought, though, it's only money which will finance a cleaner world. Uncomfortable words for some, but true nevertheless.
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
I presume you class me as a "denier". It's a horrid term.I do not believe that anthropogenic CO2 drives temperatures. That's all.
I think many do care about the environment...I know I do. Furthermore, there is little money on the sceptic side. There is scant research money and very little media money. You can read how difficult it was for the author to get his book published! In the end he found a struggling couple who were prepared to get it into print. He even refused to take an advance, knowing how destitute they were. Happily for all, though, the book has taken off. :y
As a final thought, though, it's only money which will finance a cleaner world. Uncomfortable words for some, but true nevertheless.
sorry m8 - you're right - denier is a horrid term, with all the implications that entails - so if I say "enviro-sceptics" then?
genuinely tho - it takes a lot to convince me of something i believe - but you're slowly chipping away at my beliefs nickbat - i'll give you that
for that reason - i'll buy the book and read with an open mind :y
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The debate on global warming is like the flat earth debate. All those who said it wasn't were persecuted and kept quiet, the church controlloed the way people thought. They put fear into people of going to hell but they could be saved by making a donation called indulgences, there souls wil be saved then. This is very similer to the scam of man made global warming, fear will cause people to pay up.
I go to Britian alot, and the media are extremely biased in comparison to here, you are constantly bombarded with messages of doom brought on by man made global warming, but I bet you didn't hear about the speach by Al Gore to school children that was very similar to the Hitler youth.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtdVoZygf4w&feature=fvw[/media]
As Al Pachino says in Glen Gary Glen Ross, "I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion. If everyone thinks one thing, then I say bet the other way."
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
I presume you class me as a "denier". It's a horrid term.I do not believe that anthropogenic CO2 drives temperatures. That's all.
I think many do care about the environment...I know I do. Furthermore, there is little money on the sceptic side. There is scant research money and very little media money. You can read how difficult it was for the author to get his book published! In the end he found a struggling couple who were prepared to get it into print. He even refused to take an advance, knowing how destitute they were. Happily for all, though, the book has taken off. :y
As a final thought, though, it's only money which will finance a cleaner world. Uncomfortable words for some, but true nevertheless.
sorry m8 - you're right - denier is a horrid term, with all the implications that entails - so if I say "enviro-sceptics" then?
genuinely tho - it takes a lot to convince me of something i believe - but you're slowly chipping away at my beliefs nickbat - i'll give you that
for that reason - i'll buy the book and read with an open mind :y
....can't ask for anymore than that :y :y :y
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The debate on global warming is like the flat earth debate. All those who said it wasn't were persecuted and kept quiet, the church controlloed the way people thought. They put fear into people of going to hell but they could be saved by making a donation called indulgences, there souls wil be saved then. This is very similer to the scam of man made global warming, fear will cause people to pay up.
I go to Britian alot, and the media are extremely biased in comparison to here, you are constantly bombarded with messages of doom brought on by man made global warming, but I bet you didn't hear about the speach by Al Gore to school children that was very similar to the Hitler youth.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtdVoZygf4w&feature=fvw[/media]
As Al Pachino says in Glen Gary Glen Ross, "I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion. If everyone thinks one thing, then I say bet the other way."
........I think we need to hear a few more pearls from this authoritative source.......
[size=14]ADULT CONTENT[/size]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9mvTHSVsEo&feature=related[/media]
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The debate on global warming is like the flat earth debate. All those who said it wasn't were persecuted and kept quiet, the church controlloed the way people thought. They put fear into people of going to hell but they could be saved by making a donation called indulgences, there souls wil be saved then. This is very similer to the scam of man made global warming, fear will cause people to pay up.
I go to Britian alot, and the media are extremely biased in comparison to here, you are constantly bombarded with messages of doom brought on by man made global warming, but I bet you didn't hear about the speach by Al Gore to school children that was very similar to the Hitler youth.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtdVoZygf4w&feature=fvw[/media]
As Al Pachino says in Glen Gary Glen Ross, "I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion. If everyone thinks one thing, then I say bet the other way."
.........any presentation from Fox News Ron needs to be heard with a degree of caution especially if it trips from the tongue of Glenn Beck, the presenter pictured above.
Overall, their editorial content is anything but fair and balanced - my comments do not impinge however on the obvious danger that Gore the Bore possesses to keep trotting out his own very biased message in an effort to ram it down the throats of those he considers to be in need of help and conversion.
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The debate on global warming is like the flat earth debate. All those who said it wasn't were persecuted and kept quiet, the church controlloed the way people thought. They put fear into people of going to hell but they could be saved by making a donation called indulgences, there souls wil be saved then. This is very similer to the scam of man made global warming, fear will cause people to pay up.
I go to Britian alot, and the media are extremely biased in comparison to here, you are constantly bombarded with messages of doom brought on by man made global warming, but I bet you didn't hear about the speach by Al Gore to school children that was very similar to the Hitler youth.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtdVoZygf4w&feature=fvw[/media]
As Al Pachino says in Glen Gary Glen Ross, "I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion. If everyone thinks one thing, then I say bet the other way."
.........any presentation from Fox News Ron needs to be heard with a degree of caution especially if it trips from the tongue of Glenn Beck, the presenter pictured above.
Overall, their editorial content is anything but fair and balanced - my comments do not impinge however on the obvious danger that Gore the Bore possesses to keep trotting out his own very biased message in an effort to ram it down the throats of those he considers to be in need of help and conversion.
Indeed Zulu, all news reports must be called into question. :y But the only news reports that I could find on Al Gores speech were by Fox news, which I dont think is a good thing :(
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The debate on global warming is like the flat earth debate. All those who said it wasn't were persecuted and kept quiet, the church controlloed the way people thought. They put fear into people of going to hell but they could be saved by making a donation called indulgences, there souls wil be saved then. This is very similer to the scam of man made global warming, fear will cause people to pay up.
I go to Britian alot, and the media are extremely biased in comparison to here, you are constantly bombarded with messages of doom brought on by man made global warming, but I bet you didn't hear about the speach by Al Gore to school children that was very similar to the Hitler youth.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtdVoZygf4w&feature=fvw[/media]
As Al Pachino says in Glen Gary Glen Ross, "I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion. If everyone thinks one thing, then I say bet the other way."
.........any presentation from Fox News Ron needs to be heard with a degree of caution especially if it trips from the tongue of Glenn Beck, the presenter pictured above.
Overall, their editorial content is anything but fair and balanced - my comments do not impinge however on the obvious danger that Gore the Bore possesses to keep trotting out his own very biased message in an effort to ram it down the throats of those he considers to be in need of help and conversion.
Indeed Zulu, all news reports must be called into question. :y But the only news reports that I could find on Al Gores speech were by Fox news, which I dont think is a good thing :(
.......a fair point Ron, I was being a bit bitchy about Fox, it sometimes takes such an outlet to expose the likes of Gore - still can't warm to them all the same ( except Greta van Susteren mmmmmmmmm )
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(
i'm just stumbling around trodding on everyones toes this morning Zulu!! - of course i mean no offence to those lovable Toyota Prius owners :y
but it is a band aid for a broken leg i'm afraid
oh and totally agree with you re: Fox News (Weasel News as it's known in our house) very funny/very scary - that guy, Beck, takes the biscuit - i've seen him burst into tears giving his opinion - hilarious - pass the popcorn!!
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(
i'm just stumbling around trodding on everyones toes this morning Zulu!! - of course i mean no offence to those lovable Toyota Prius owners :y
but it is a band aid for a broken leg i'm afraid
oh and totally agree with you re: Fox News (Weasel News as it's known in our house) very funny/very scary - that guy, Beck, takes the biscuit - i've seen him burst into tears giving his opinion - hilarious - pass the popcorn!!
;D ;D ;D was messing with you bannjaxx ;D ;D ;D - I always find your views to have great credibility and am pleased to share many of them with you :y :y
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Within this debate on the sources of the various environmental arguments, and particularly on the issue of global warning, let us not forget that what these sayers and purveyors of doom or enlightenment think, it will be the key politicians of the world who will make the final decisions.
A lot of individuals, who lack the necessary scientific knowledge and evidence to back up their arguments, are cashing in on this debate for their hour of fame, and income, but no doubt will be ignored by the politicians and / or their advisers.
The politicians, who are not scientifically trained, are obtaining advise from the general scientific community, but are also balancing the needs of their nation with the controversial requirements of the environmental argument put forward by those said "experts". Jobs and the economy keep or lose the votes that keep politicians in power, so you can almost guarantee whatever is advised our esteemed leaders will not commit political suicide over environmental issues. Although, rightly, we are cynical about their motives, the political leaders will endeavour to satisfy the citizens of their home country, and no more so than Gordon Brown who faces a General Election within the next eleven months.
What I am saying is simple; it IS the political leaders who are critical in all this, NOT whoever has published this, that or another! Therefore, if as individuals you feel strongly enough about this argument, on one side or the other, then start lobbying your MP's NOW, regardless of their parties colour. Express your feelings to them, along with writing to the Prime Minister himself, and let them all know how exactly you feel about this and how you will vote if they follow a road contrary to your beliefs. This is a time for strong democracy, so do not say "my voice does not matter", because it does , unless of course you keep quiet and timid!! After that you can do no more.
Never forget either that although Great Britain has still a significant voice in the world, the environmental debate will finally be settled by the political leaders of the major G8 industrial states. Therefore, forget what the media impart to us in Britain, it will not form any part of the final solution, it is how all the G8 leaders act that is crucial, and so we all across the world must continually remind them that they act on our behalf. They will however be influenced by the NGOs of this world, and their aligned "experts". That IS the danger area for us all, so do not forget them in your lobbying (and actions?). Let them know, WE the people exist, and they have no automatic right to speak for us!
The rest is over to you, and not the likes of Gore, professors, or any demigods! ;) ;) ;)
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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Ahhh. Music to my ears. :) :) :)
I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview. :y :y
i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things ;)
he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not
i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win ::)
.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(
i'm just stumbling around trodding on everyones toes this morning Zulu!! - of course i mean no offence to those lovable Toyota Prius owners :y
but it is a band aid for a broken leg i'm afraid
oh and totally agree with you re: Fox News (Weasel News as it's known in our house) very funny/very scary - that guy, Beck, takes the biscuit - i've seen him burst into tears giving his opinion - hilarious - pass the popcorn!!
;D ;D ;D was messing with you bannjaxx ;D ;D ;D - I always find your views to have great credibility and am pleased to share many of them with you :y :y
;D ;D ;D
it's ok - i'm fairly thick-skinned - you didnt hurt my feelings "taking offence" m8 :y
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Within this debate on the sources of the various environmental arguments, and particularly on the issue of global warning, let us not forget that what these sayers and purveyors of doom or enlightenment think, it will be the key politicians of the world who will make the final decisions.
A lot of individuals, who lack the necessary scientific knowledge and evidence to back up their arguments, are cashing in on this debate for their hour of fame, and income, but no doubt will be ignored by the politicians and / or their advisers.
The politicians, who are not scientifically trained, are obtaining advise from the general scientific community, but are also balancing the needs of their nation with the controversial requirements of the environmental argument put forward by those said "experts". Jobs and the economy keep or lose the votes that keep politicians in power, so you can almost guarantee whatever is advised our esteemed leaders will not commit political suicide over environmental issues. Although, rightly, we are cynical about their motives, the political leaders will endeavour to satisfy the citizens of their home country, and no more so than Gordon Brown who faces a General Election within the next eleven months.
What I am saying is simple; it IS the political leaders who are critical in all this, NOT whoever has published this, that or another! Therefore, if as individuals you feel strongly enough about this argument, on one side or the other, then start lobbying your MP's NOW, regardless of their parties colour. Express your feelings to them, along with writing to the Prime Minister himself, and let them all know how exactly you feel about this and how you will vote if they follow a road contrary to your beliefs. This is a time for strong democracy, so do not say "my voice does not matter", because it does , unless of course you keep quiet and timid!! After that you can do no more.
Never forget either that although Great Britain has still a significant voice in the world, the environmental debate will finally be settled by the political leaders of the major G8 industrial states. Therefore, forget what the media impart to us in Britain, it will not form any part of the final solution, it is how all the G8 leaders act that is crucial, and so we all across the world must continually remind them that they act on our behalf. They will however be influenced by the NGOs of this world, and their aligned "experts". That IS the danger area for us all, so do not forget them in your lobbying (and actions?). Let them know, WE the people exist, and they have no automatic right to speak for us!
The rest is over to you, and not the likes of Gore, professors, or any demigods! ;) ;) ;)
......I'll buy into that, Ms Zoom :y :y
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I think this is a rather neat way of showing how much human-emitted CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere:
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/gaias-demise/
:D
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Within this debate on the sources of the various environmental arguments, and particularly on the issue of global warning, let us not forget that what these sayers and purveyors of doom or enlightenment think, it will be the key politicians of the world who will make the final decisions.
A lot of individuals, who lack the necessary scientific knowledge and evidence to back up their arguments, are cashing in on this debate for their hour of fame, and income, but no doubt will be ignored by the politicians and / or their advisers.
The politicians, who are not scientifically trained, are obtaining advise from the general scientific community, but are also balancing the needs of their nation with the controversial requirements of the environmental argument put forward by those said "experts". Jobs and the economy keep or lose the votes that keep politicians in power, so you can almost guarantee whatever is advised our esteemed leaders will not commit political suicide over environmental issues. Although, rightly, we are cynical about their motives, the political leaders will endeavour to satisfy the citizens of their home country, and no more so than Gordon Brown who faces a General Election within the next eleven months.
What I am saying is simple; it IS the political leaders who are critical in all this, NOT whoever has published this, that or another! Therefore, if as individuals you feel strongly enough about this argument, on one side or the other, then start lobbying your MP's NOW, regardless of their parties colour. Express your feelings to them, along with writing to the Prime Minister himself, and let them all know how exactly you feel about this and how you will vote if they follow a road contrary to your beliefs. This is a time for strong democracy, so do not say "my voice does not matter", because it does , unless of course you keep quiet and timid!! After that you can do no more.
Never forget either that although Great Britain has still a significant voice in the world, the environmental debate will finally be settled by the political leaders of the major G8 industrial states. Therefore, forget what the media impart to us in Britain, it will not form any part of the final solution, it is how all the G8 leaders act that is crucial, and so we all across the world must continually remind them that they act on our behalf. They will however be influenced by the NGOs of this world, and their aligned "experts". That IS the danger area for us all, so do not forget them in your lobbying (and actions?). Let them know, WE the people exist, and they have no automatic right to speak for us!
The rest is over to you, and not the likes of Gore, professors, or any demigods! ;) ;) ;)
In a word, 'Bilderberg'.
Does that ring any bells with anyone? Try Wikipedia ;)
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..or read this from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/charlie-skeltons-bilderberg-files
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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10. Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10. Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Sorry to pour cold water on this Lizzie, but petitions are an absolute waste of time. Mind you, maybe not for the government as they will then have your email address.
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..or read this from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/charlie-skeltons-bilderberg-files
..and while we're on about the people in power, have a read of this:
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
:o :o :o :o
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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10. Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Sorry to pour cold water on this Lizzie, but petitions are an absolute waste of time. Mind you, maybe not for the government as they will then have your email address.
....and of most who use that means as a form of communication Nick.
Throw in a few algorithms for word association, construction and number of hits on key words and phrases there's no doubt that many addresses have already been noted.
All electronic correspondence is open to examination if deemed necessary, even those on forums such as this, a sad fact - but one none the less.
For those of us who have supped at the bowl of covert examination, the gathering and collation of intelligence was, and remains, the lifeblood of the system by which the state ensures its survival.
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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10. Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Sorry to pour cold water on this Lizzie, but petitions are an absolute waste of time. Mind you, maybe not for the government as they will then have your email address.
They have already, but I am prepared to stick my head above the parapet for what I believe. 8-) 8-) Are you? :-/ :-/