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Title: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 July 2009, 18:31:12
I cannot see any member commenting on the news this week that BMW are leaving F1 at the end of this season. :o :o

Is this the beginning of the end for quality F1 competition, or even the end of F1 complete? :-/ :-/

Some commentators were stating this could open the flood gates for other teams to leave.  What do those that care think? :D :D :D
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: richardirv on 30 July 2009, 18:34:15
I personally think F1 will survive in one form or another, I don't think BMW leaving will change anything, they have just throw there toys out cos they aint winning and not winning is not good for the BMW name.  :-X
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Del Boy on 30 July 2009, 18:34:58
Don't know don't watch formula 1 but it means they can focus more on their road cars which are a quality product anyway  :D
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: amigov6 on 30 July 2009, 18:36:26
Frankly my dear..........you know the rest....xxx
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 July 2009, 18:39:14
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Don't know don't watch formula 1 but it means they can focus more on their road cars which are a quality product anyway  :D

But Del I  have always understood that the massive investment involved with F1 was so the R & D of various parts and the technical knowledge gained could be translated to their production road cars.  Won't BMW suffer from a lack of a future F1 testing programme? :-/ :-/
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: albitz on 30 July 2009, 19:29:23
wouldnt be surprised if Toyota and maybe others soon follow.Sooner the better imo,the big manufacturers with their almost blank chequebooks have not been good for the "sport".I would like to see F1 consisting of teams run by enthusiasts like Frank Williams etc, again.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 30 July 2009, 19:48:47
BMW managers probably think the investment required for F1 dont bring them any extra sales..

and F1 is the first place to go for cutting expenses..
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Chris_H on 30 July 2009, 19:59:26
I think they set themselves a target that they were not going to meet.

It's negative marketing if they are an "also-ran".

Considering they produce a lot of high performance road cars it was not good that they could not make a racing car stand out at the front.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: feeutfo on 30 July 2009, 20:31:48
probably upset nobody lets them out, lets them past or generally accept the fact that they own the road and stropped off waving an imaginary wallet in the air when they loose. The rest of pit lane most likely glad to see the back of them sitting in the road chatting away never using their mirror and hogging the racing line with a righteous attitude.... Stuff em! :-)
On the other hand bike development seems to be going well in world superbikes, lets hope they dont bring the "neck" with them to the bike world. :-)

Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: tunnie on 30 July 2009, 20:33:22
like Honda they have had enough of pilling in money for no results
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: mantahatch on 30 July 2009, 21:26:52
bmw honda toyota, all had ideas above there station, they all thought we are going to walk this. Big mistake on there part, especially bmw I am afraid, honda toyoya make run of the mill cars so nobody that bothered. bmw on the other hand are supposed to make "better than average" cars. In my opinion it just proves they are no better than any other car. And german manufacturers are in just as much trouble in this climate as the americans and japanese. Possibly the german manufacturers are in a worse position as there product is the most expensive. I think I read in the bbc news site that porsche bought 50% of vw group and are now in debt to the tune of 70 billion euros.  The german government is guaranteeing the loans people take out to buy german cars aswell.

Oh time to turn rant mode off, sorry everyone, just get annoyed when people think bmw is so good when it is obviously not.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Chris_H on 30 July 2009, 23:41:35
I was surprised that Honda didn't make it.  The last time they pulled out they were at the top of the game and their engines were the biz.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: albitz on 30 July 2009, 23:43:49
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I was surprised that Honda didn't make it.  The last time they pulled out they were at the top of the game and their engines were the biz.
.........if they had kept their name on the car for just one more season,it would all have been worthwhile.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: bertiecbx550 on 31 July 2009, 01:10:18
So can i ask for the leftovers from them as they wont need em any more....I`ve still got the old beemer sat on the drive needing a new engine..... :-* :-* pretty please Herr fritz  :-* :-* :y
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: platty on 31 July 2009, 09:14:41
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Don't know don't watch formula 1 but it means they can focus more on their road cars which are a quality product anyway  :D

But Del I  have always understood that the massive investment involved with F1 was so the R & D of various parts and the technical knowledge gained could be translated to their production road cars.  Won't BMW suffer from a lack of a future F1 testing programme? :-/ :-/

I think they have said that they are going to concentrate more on ETCC and WTCC where the technology can be more easily applied to road cars, because the R&D element was not really happening between F1 and road cars (surprisingly enough ::))

Add to the fact they didn't reach their goals set a few years ago when they bought Sauber - I think they are cutting their losses.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: TheBoy on 31 July 2009, 09:37:56
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I cannot see any member commenting on the news this week that BMW are leaving F1 at the end of this season. :o :o

Is this the beginning of the end for quality F1 competition, or even the end of F1 complete? :-/ :-/

Some commentators were stating this could open the flood gates for other teams to leave.  What do those that care think? :D :D :D
BMW, like most car mass-market manufacturers, are not looking great financially, so cost savings are inevitable.

It is looking likely that Toyota in particular and maybe Renault may not take part next year.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: bob.dent on 31 July 2009, 09:38:42
I don't think BMW pulling out will make any difference to F1. Don't forget there are 3 new teams coming into F1 next year - Campos Grand Prix, Manor Grand Prix and Team US F1 which will more than make up the numbers. :y
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 31 July 2009, 12:57:12
They need to concentrate on road cars as they are currently outputing un-reliable over priced shite.....its time they got back to what they were doing 15 years ago which was much better.
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 31 July 2009, 13:35:50
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They need to concentrate on road cars as they are currently outputing un-reliable over priced shite.....its time they got back to what they were doing 15 years ago which was much better.

Have they managed to fill the bruntingthorpe car park with BM's yet.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: BMW Leaving F1
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 31 July 2009, 14:29:28
8-9 months worth of sales stored there about 3 months ago.....so got to be 6 months worth still there!

All with the artificle 4 week waiting list of course (probably takes that long to find them!) and a free layer of Olympus soot!