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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: MartinP on 20 February 2008, 21:47:39
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Is there a drawing of the V6 engine bay, either PDF or CAD showing dimensions, position of mounting points.
I want to see if the 3.0 V6 will go into a Robin Hood kit car ;)
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It is pretty compact and being a kit car you can bend things to make room.
My best advise is measure it
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It is pretty compact and being a kit car you can bend things to make room.
My best advise is measure it
Might just have to do that.
It would be nice to get a 200Bhp standard engine in a 700 Kg car :y
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I've wondered if it would fit in my Westfield several times. May just try it one day. :o
I would also say measure up as a first round, to see if it's a complete show stopper or a possibility, then maybe buy a ropey old engine just to try for size, or even a huge bit of polystyrene foam and cut it to shape.
I am aware of one Westfield with an x30xe in.
Check out the gearbox ratios carefully too. 1st gear looks rather short on the Omega's manual box (4. something:1) so I'd see if there's a closer ratio box that'll go on the engine.
There are lighter ways of getting 200 BHP (only slight tinkering with a C20XE willget you that) but a more peaky 200 BHP. Depends what you want.
Keep us updated :y
Kevin
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if a 2.0 XE will fit then there is a very good chance a V6 will
I fitted a V6 in a Mk2 cavalier, it went straight in and took up no more space than the XE then had come out. The only difference was that there was more space at the eng of the engine as the V6 is slightly less length
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.. and start saving for a set of these....
(http://www.jenvey.co.uk/Imgs/Kits/V06.jpg)
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I might have to keep a few more bits for longer than I thought.
will have a good measure up after the cambelt party.
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If Westfield can fit a Rover V8 into one of their cars, then a V6 into what is the same sort of car, should be no trouble, me's think :-/ ::)
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Oh and have a look in the next issue of Practical Caravan and Caravan Magazine
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Oh and have a look in the next issue of Practical Caravan and Caravan Magazine
does it look like a goer?
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I hope so!
If I get panicky and want 50 you know what has happened ;D
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Is there a drawing of the V6 engine bay, either PDF or CAD showing dimensions, position of mounting points.
I want to see if the 3.0 V6 will go into a Robin Hood kit car ;)
You could model one on CAD...if you do, fire a copy my way ;)
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I've wondered if it would fit in my Westfield several times. May just try it one day. :o
I would also say measure up as a first round, to see if it's a complete show stopper or a possibility, then maybe buy a ropey old engine just to try for size, or even a huge bit of polystyrene foam and cut it to shape.
I am aware of one Westfield with an x30xe in.
Check out the gearbox ratios carefully too. 1st gear looks rather short on the Omega's manual box (4. something:1) so I'd see if there's a closer ratio box that'll go on the engine.
There are lighter ways of getting 200 BHP (only slight tinkering with a C20XE willget you that) but a more peaky 200 BHP. Depends what you want.
Keep us updated :y
Kevin
someone fit duratec V6 in westfield
http://www.reallyquick.co.uk/index.htm
http://www.reallyquick.co.uk/spec.htm
270 bhp 3.3 sec
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I've wondered if it would fit in my Westfield several times. May just try it one day. :o
I would also say measure up as a first round, to see if it's a complete show stopper or a possibility, then maybe buy a ropey old engine just to try for size, or even a huge bit of polystyrene foam and cut it to shape.
I am aware of one Westfield with an x30xe in.
Check out the gearbox ratios carefully too. 1st gear looks rather short on the Omega's manual box (4. something:1) so I'd see if there's a closer ratio box that'll go on the engine.
There are lighter ways of getting 200 BHP (only slight tinkering with a C20XE willget you that) but a more peaky 200 BHP. Depends what you want.
Keep us updated :y
Kevin
someone fit duratec V6 in westfield
http://www.reallyquick.co.uk/index.htm
http://www.reallyquick.co.uk/spec.htm
270 bhp 3.3 sec
Nice. 270 BHP from the original cams too.
Shows how restrictive Ford's typical intake setup is. Torque peaks at quite high RPM, thanks to the short intake tract I guess, but that's hardly an issue in a Wesrtfield.
Kevin
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If Westfield can fit a Rover V8 into one of their cars, then a V6 into what is the same sort of car, should be no trouble, me's think :-/ ::)
Its a different beast (SEight), bigger tub, stronger chassis the works.
On the V6, you have to think how big a 4 pot is with inlet and exhaust manifolds....and the GM V6 is a compact version (54deg not 60deg)...
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Is there a drawing of the V6 engine bay, either PDF or CAD showing dimensions, position of mounting points.
I want to see if the 3.0 V6 will go into a Robin Hood kit car ;)
You could model one on CAD...if you do, fire a copy my way ;)
started measuring up last night as I have the heads off I can see the engine mounts :)
will not be a superfast developement, other things going on at the same time.
You know about blokes and multi-tasking ;D
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Time to ressurrect this one again,
since the first post, i have
1. bought a 1.8 CVH engined sierra, fully stripped it and prepped most of the suspension components.
2. sold CVH engine so I didn't have to put it in the Hood
3. brought a part built Robin Hood kit car, (rolling chassis, 1.6 Sierra running gear) complete with 2.0 ltr Sierra donor car
4. brought and serviced 2.0ltr Omega, (Fester to go to son when he passes his test)
5. stripped both rolling RH chassis & second donor Sierra
6. gone back to driving the Fester after pranging the Omega in the snow
7. Today bought a MV6 off ebay for engine & box as preferred power plant for kit car :D
garage is full of bits. >:(
trying to sell a type 9 gearbox & a complete 2.0 ltr DOHC engine with MT75 gearbox to a kit car builder ::)
lifes a struggle
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Dont see why you would want to tbh,Its a big heavy lump of metal for its 200bhp.
you could buy an engine from a written off Hayabusa/Blackbird or similar and have 175bhp for a fraction of the weight.cant see a kit-car handling too well with a GM v6 stuck in the front. :-/
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Dont see why you would want to tbh,Its a big heavy lump of metal for its 200bhp.
you could buy an engine from a written off Hayabusa/Blackbird or similar and have 175bhp for a fraction of the weight.cant see a kit-car handling too well with a GM v6 stuck in the front. :-/
I will be building a "tourer" rather than a "sprint" car.
there are examples with V8's and V12's about.
I was going to go for the 2.5 V6 but my first omega, a MV6 went really well and I now know a bit about these engines.
The GM V6 is a compact engine and after seeing a picture of one in a Caterham, I don't think it will be to bad a job. ::)
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If its a tourer you want then a v6 might be the tool for the job. :y
I think I would want it sitting as far back as I could get it though.
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Dont see why you would want to tbh,Its a big heavy lump of metal for its 200bhp.
you could buy an engine from a written off Hayabusa/Blackbird or similar and have 175bhp for a fraction of the weight.cant see a kit-car handling too well with a GM v6 stuck in the front. :-/
Having driven a few now with those type of engine in, I can honestly say, they are rather awful every where but on the track!
The 3.0 V6 is not a big heavy engine and with the added benfit of it sitting further back in the engine bay than a 4 pot, weight distribution could well be very good.
With little work they can be got to 230bhp (i.e. a chip plus a good service) and maybe a bit more with better exhaust manifolds (i.e. 2.6/3.2 or custom).
I say go for it, probably the cheapest option by far to!
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Time to ressurrect this one again,
since the first post, i have
1. bought a 1.8 CVH engined sierra, fully stripped it and prepped most of the suspension components.
2. sold CVH engine so I didn't have to put it in the Hood
3. brought a part built Robin Hood kit car, (rolling chassis, 1.6 Sierra running gear) complete with 2.0 ltr Sierra donor car
4. brought and serviced 2.0ltr Omega, (Fester to go to son when he passes his test)
5. stripped both rolling RH chassis & second donor Sierra
6. gone back to driving the Fester after pranging the Omega in the snow
7. Today bought a MV6 off ebay for engine & box as preferred power plant for kit car :D
garage is full of bits. >:(
trying to sell a type 9 gearbox & a complete 2.0 ltr DOHC engine with MT75 gearbox to a kit car builder ::)
lifes a struggle
How much?
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Time to ressurrect this one again,
since the first post, i have
1. bought a 1.8 CVH engined sierra, fully stripped it and prepped most of the suspension components.
2. sold CVH engine so I didn't have to put it in the Hood
3. brought a part built Robin Hood kit car, (rolling chassis, 1.6 Sierra running gear) complete with 2.0 ltr Sierra donor car
4. brought and serviced 2.0ltr Omega, (Fester to go to son when he passes his test)
5. stripped both rolling RH chassis & second donor Sierra
6. gone back to driving the Fester after pranging the Omega in the snow
7. Today bought a MV6 off ebay for engine & box as preferred power plant for kit car :D
garage is full of bits. >:(
trying to sell a type 9 gearbox & a complete 2.0 ltr DOHC engine with MT75 gearbox to a kit car builder ::)
lifes a struggle
How much?
£40 collected
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[size=14]I don't know if these pic's will help[/size]
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1102/1001/2753000389_medium.jpg)
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1102/1001/2753000388_medium.jpg)
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1102/1001/2753000387_medium.jpg)
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1102/1001/2753000386_medium.jpg)
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1102/1001/2753000385_medium.jpg)
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Shows how compact it is :)
I stripped one down and scrapped it before I made the decision to use one in a kit car.
Hung on for the last 4 months to get a cheap one to strip.
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update,
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/Robin%20Hood/DSCF1619.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/issunaz/Robin%20Hood/DSCF1622.jpg)
It does fit,
need a non aircon steering pump bracket
need to modify the water return from the back of the engine
source & fit a smaller alternator
make new engine mounts
about a hundred other things ::)
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The mechanics will be fine, it's the electrics that will kill you!
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then theres this place :y :y ;)