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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: bluehawk on 17 August 2009, 08:54:36
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If you know any one who texts whilst driving ot might be worth showing them this a hard hitting safety waring from wales.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I54mlK0kVw
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that is hard hitting
pure silence for a while afterwards
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that is hard hitting
pure silence for a while afterwards
Ithink this worst bit was the baby :'(
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that is hard hitting
pure silence for a while afterwards
Ithink this worst bit was the baby :'(
sure is and where the little kid keeps saying mommy daddy wake up
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Truly shocking. Makes you think :-? :'(
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Are people still doing this - what are they thinking about?
Anyone performing this stunt forfiets the right to drive, so it's an immediate ban and heavy fine in my view :y :y
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I reckon if she'd been driving something a bit more substantial than a Ford Kack, all of her passengers would have been fine
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It amazes me that it is necessary to have to keep on reminding people not to text or use a mobile phone whilst driving :o :o :o
If they haven't got the message now they probably never will, just like those bastards who still think it is ok to drink and drive! >:( >:( >:( >:(
You can use the most shocking images of what can happen but they just think it will never happen to them!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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can't be arsed to look at utube clip, but anyone texting whilst driving has to be a few sandwiches short anyway, so no campaign will ever sink in.
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If you ride a motorbike you see everything that drivers do in their laps. Sandwiches, drinks, phones, A-Z, newspaper... the list goes on. Not seen a DS as far as I can recall! >:(
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7amxE3RLAzQ[/media]
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If you ride a motorbike you see everything that drivers do in their laps. Sandwiches, drinks, phones, A-Z, newspaper... the list goes on. Not seen a DS as far as I can recall! >:(
I have seen someone using a PSP, unbelievable :o :o
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If you ride a motorbike you see everything that drivers do in their laps. Sandwiches, drinks, phones, A-Z, newspaper... the list goes on. Not seen a DS as far as I can recall! >:(
I was a passenger in a works transit one evening, going up the motorway. We overtook this bloke who was 'pleasuring himself' whilst driving :o
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Are people still doing this - what are they thinking about?
Anyone performing this stunt forfiets the right to drive, so it's an immediate ban and heavy fine in my view :y :y
Totally agree, Every time I go out in the car I allways see some using a mobile, as bad as that is they can still see the road whilst talking on the phone, but texting is a complete NO NO.
A ban I reckon would get the meaage accros, or confiscate the phone and but a ban on that phone number might make people think twice at the cost and disruption it would cause them.
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Personally, I don't have too much of problem in principle with using a mobile for a conversation when driving, but then I drive an automatic and I reckon that 95% of the time I can control my car perfectly well with one hand. I doubt if the distraction level is significantly greater than having your passengers arguing amongst themselves and with you. A crap navigator can cause even more distraction.
BUT, having said that, I obey the law - I use the built in car phone if absolutely essential, and I have a simple hands-free amplifier for incoming calls on my regular mobile. Apart from motorway or dual carriageway cruising, I can't understand how anyone can safely manage a manual car while using a phone. Texting is just plain stupid.
It is often said that speed kills. That's true, because if you are involved in an accident, the higher the impact velocity, the more severely you are likely to be injured and ultimately killed - its simple physics. But it isn't necessarily speed that triggers accidents. In my not very humble opinion, stupidity is what causes accidents.
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For those of you who missed it, this is the follow up bit.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbFJWDqc0C4&NR=1[/media]
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In my not very humble opinion, stupidity is what causes accidents.
Lack of attention is the number one cause, speed is right at the bottom.
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Personally, I don't have too much of problem in principle with using a mobile for a conversation when driving, but then I drive an automatic and I reckon that 95% of the time I can control my car perfectly well with one hand. I doubt if the distraction level is significantly greater than having your passengers arguing amongst themselves and with you. A crap navigator can cause even more distraction.
BUT, having said that, I obey the law - I use the built in car phone if absolutely essential, and I have a simple hands-free amplifier for incoming calls on my regular mobile. Apart from motorway or dual carriageway cruising, I can't understand how anyone can safely manage a manual car while using a phone. Texting is just plain stupid.
It is often said that speed kills. That's true, because if you are involved in an accident, the higher the impact velocity, the more severely you are likely to be injured and ultimately killed - its simple physics. But it isn't necessarily speed that triggers accidents. In my not very humble opinion, stupidity is what causes accidents.
Thats the problem ;)
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In my not very humble opinion, stupidity is what causes accidents.
Lack of attention is the number one cause, speed is right at the bottom.
Peoples beliefs in their abilities not matching their abilities is another major cause...
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Yet another campaign will do damn all. Those who use mobiles at the wheel know it's illegal, think they are superhuman, as said, and believe (quite correctly, it seems) that they won't get caught.
The legal backing is there for them to get at least 3 points and a fine for even handling a phone at the wheel. It's blatantly obvious when they're doing it. Let's have the Police dealing out some justice!
Kevin
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I'm afraid that as far as I'm concerned the driver of any vehicle must demonstrate that they are doing so in a manner which shows they have full control of the vehicle.
A driver cannot give their full attention to the task in hand if;
They're looking at anything but the road space around them and what lies ahead - they are holding a conversation with their passengers or particularly on a cellular telephone - adjusting their own or someone else's garments - eating - drinking - looking at navigation devices or entertainment systems - fiddling about in places where they shouldn't or generally diverting their attention to something else rather than having full control of the vehicle.
It isn't too much to ask any driver to concentrate on driving the vehicle in such a way that does not pose a threat to others or themselves - or is it?
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Personally, I don't have too much of problem in principle with using a mobile for a conversation when driving, but then I drive an automatic and I reckon that 95% of the time I can control my car perfectly well with one hand. I doubt if the distraction level is significantly greater than having your passengers arguing amongst themselves and with you. A crap navigator can cause even more distraction.
BUT, having said that, I obey the law - I use the built in car phone if absolutely essential, and I have a simple hands-free amplifier for incoming calls on my regular mobile. Apart from motorway or dual carriageway cruising, I can't understand how anyone can safely manage a manual car while using a phone. Texting is just plain stupid.
It is often said that speed kills. That's true, because if you are involved in an accident, the higher the impact velocity, the more severely you are likely to be injured and ultimately killed - its simple physics. But it isn't necessarily speed that triggers accidents. In my not very humble opinion, stupidity is what causes accidents.
I'm afraid I have an issue with conducting any phone conversation while driving. Too many of these conversations require switching to a different environment mentally, be it home, work, friend's house, pub etc.
Driving probably takes a very small part of our brain power on average, it's just the requirement to switch to maximum concentration with only milliseconds of warning that causes the problems.
Computers manage this context-switching very easily because they are designed to do it but for humans it is similar to coming out of a dream.
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I'm afraid that as far as I'm concerned the driver of any vehicle must demonstrate that they are doing so in a manner that demonstrates that they have full control of the vehicle.
A driver cannot give their full attention to the task in hand if;
They're looking at anything but the road space around them and what lies ahead - they are holding a conversation with their passengers or particularly on a cellular telephone - adjusting their own or someone else's garments - eating - drinking - looking at navigation devices or entertainment systems - fiddling about in places where they shouldn't or generally diverting their attention to something else rather than having full control of the vehicle.
It isn't too much to ask any driver to concentrate on driving the vehicle in such a way that does not pose a threat to others or themselves - or is it?
I agree with you wholeheartedly Zulu77 but we have to remember that the deluge of restrictive regulations on the roads (particularly low speed limits) give rise the the idea that we are not making the important decisions any more and therefore that we don't need to concentrate.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly Zulu77 but we have to remember that the deluge of restrictive regulations on the roads (particularly low speed limits) give rise the the idea that we are not making the important decisions any more and therefore that we don't need to concentrate.
That is a very important point Chris. :y
The more this extraneous stimulus is touted as being installed for the purposes of road safety the driver, in particular, will be encouraged to leave things to the signs and that very technology. Which is a bad thing :y
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Personally, I don't have too much of problem in principle with using a mobile for a conversation when driving, but then I drive an automatic and I reckon that 95% of the time I can control my car perfectly well with one hand. I doubt if the distraction level is significantly greater than having your passengers arguing amongst themselves and with you. A crap navigator can cause even more distraction.
BUT, having said that, I obey the law - I use the built in car phone if absolutely essential, and I have a simple hands-free amplifier for incoming calls on my regular mobile. Apart from motorway or dual carriageway cruising, I can't understand how anyone can safely manage a manual car while using a phone. Texting is just plain stupid.
It is often said that speed kills. That's true, because if you are involved in an accident, the higher the impact velocity, the more severely you are likely to be injured and ultimately killed - its simple physics. But it isn't necessarily speed that triggers accidents. In my not very humble opinion, stupidity is what causes accidents.
I tend to agree as per my post, the problem is when people take thier eyes off the road to dial numbers and lose concentration.
EDIT :- the above in comparison to texting. I admit I cannot concentrate on the mobile and drive. I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over on the very rare occasion I recieve a call. But wont answer at all when it is not possible or safe to pull over.
Todate I have never made a call or read or texted a message on the move.
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If you ride a motorbike you see everything that drivers do in their laps. Sandwiches, drinks, phones, A-Z, newspaper... the list goes on. Not seen a DS as far as I can recall! >:(
I was a passenger in a works transit one evening, going up the motorway. We overtook this bloke who was 'pleasuring himself' whilst driving :o
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
but what would you do when you see a copper texting at the wheel?
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
but what would you do when you see a copper texting at the wheel?
Have you actually seen that? :-?
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
but what would you do when you see a copper texting at the wheel?
Have you actually seen that? :-?
Yes! It was at the traffic lights ::) ..... but still illegal :-?. A bloke was convicted of 'using' his phone at the wheel when he was transfering it from his shirt pocket to the dash if you remember!
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
but what would you do when you see a copper texting at the wheel?
Have you actually seen that? :-?
Yes! It was at the traffic lights ::) ..... but still illegal :-?
Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
To answer your question though - if he was using a phone at the wheel (lights or otherwise) he should recieve 3 points and a fine like anyone else - and if he's committing the offence in uniform and / or marked car, should have a disciplinary on top for bringing the service into disrepute!
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
but what would you do when you see a copper texting at the wheel?
Have you actually seen that? :-?
Yes! It was at the traffic lights ::) ..... but still illegal :-?
Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
To answer your question though - if he was using a phone at the wheel (lights or otherwise) he should recieve 3 points and a fine like anyone else - and if he's committing the offence in uniform and / or marked car, should have a disciplinary on top for bringing the service into disrepute!
Definately a phone! And he was in uniform in a marked car ...
''all animals are equal but some are more equal than others'' :-X
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I do answer the phone and tell the caller to hang on as I pull over
This question doesn't relate to Skruntie specifically, but -
Purely out of interest - what views would people take, of a cop issuing an endorsable fixed penalty ticket (£60 and 3 points) if they saw a motorist doing what is described above?
Would you consider it harsh, or a fair cop?
but what would you do when you see a copper texting at the wheel?
Have you actually seen that? :-?
Yes! It was at the traffic lights ::) ..... but still illegal :-?
Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
To answer your question though - if he was using a phone at the wheel (lights or otherwise) he should recieve 3 points and a fine like anyone else - and if he's committing the offence in uniform and / or marked car, should have a disciplinary on top for bringing the service into disrepute!
Definately a phone! And he was in uniform in a marked car ...
Inexcusable....
Just to add - I don't pretend for one minute to be whiter than white,
But to use a peronal phone, while driving on duty, is an outrage, considering he has probably issued tickets to other people for the same offence....
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Personally, I don't have too much of problem in principle with using a mobile for a conversation when driving, but then I drive an automatic and I reckon that 95% of the time I can control my car perfectly well with one hand. I doubt if the distraction level is significantly greater than having your passengers arguing amongst themselves and with you. A crap navigator can cause even more distraction.
Thats the problem ;)
You're right of course. I actually believe that I can control my car with one hand for 99.9% of the time, but it would have sounded arrogant to say so. The point is basically that you can never know when that 0.1% occasion is going to occur, and that's why I don't use my mobile at the wheel.
But here's another issue: - I have an appontment in 10 minutes;
- I am 10 minutes away from my destination;
- I am stuck in traffic, which hasn't moved for 5 minutes and shows no sign of clearing;
Can I use my mobile to let someone know the situation?
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Personally, I don't have too much of problem in principle with using a mobile for a conversation when driving, but then I drive an automatic and I reckon that 95% of the time I can control my car perfectly well with one hand. I doubt if the distraction level is significantly greater than having your passengers arguing amongst themselves and with you. A crap navigator can cause even more distraction.
Thats the problem ;)
You're right of course. I actually believe that I can control my car with one hand for 99.9% of the time, but it would have sounded arrogant to say so. The point is basically that you can never know when that 0.1% occasion is going to occur, and that's why I don't use my mobile at the wheel.
But here's another issue: - I have an appontment in 10 minutes;
- I am 10 minutes away from my destination;
- I am stuck in traffic, which hasn't moved for 5 minutes and shows no sign of clearing;
Can I use my mobile to let someone know the situation?
I would. But I know I shouldn't.
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I also dont have a problem with talking on the phone while driving an auto but I think texting while driving should be a hanging offence.
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Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
It doesn't matter what they are called, the old bill radios use the cellular network (ergo, it's a cellular radio....which is what a mobile phone is).
All that old cobblers about them being "specially trained" to hold a conversation on a hand held radio device is just that.....it's cobblers.
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Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
It doesn't matter what they are called, the old bill radios use the cellular network (ergo, it's a cellular radio....which is what a mobile phone is).
All that old cobblers about them being "specially trained" to hold a conversation on a hand held radio device is just that.....it's cobblers.
Yes. When we were moaning about basterd drivers we forgot coppers. At least the binman wont mow you down at 90mph on a pedestrian crossing.
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Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
It doesn't matter what they are called, the old bill radios use the cellular network (ergo, it's a cellular radio....which is what a mobile phone is).
All that old cobblers about them being "specially trained" to hold a conversation on a hand held radio device is just that.....it's cobblers.
Yes. When we were moaning about basterd drivers we forgot coppers. At least the binman wont mow you down at 90mph on a pedestrian crossing.
Even if they were likely to do that, I would expect them to have the decency to have sirens wailing and blue lights flashing while they chase that PERFECTLY LEGAL driver.
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Are you sure it wasn't a handheld airwave? (The new ones with short arials can look a bit like a phone)
It doesn't matter what they are called, the old bill radios use the cellular network (ergo, it's a cellular radio....which is what a mobile phone is).
All that old cobblers about them being "specially trained" to hold a conversation on a hand held radio device is just that.....it's cobblers.
...am inclined to agree with you K. That's why certain Departments had dedicated drivers - C8 and so on - to do nothing else but drive.
When I was being driven I ensured that the driver did precisely that and only that.
Irrespective of the demands placed on current officers, there is no excuse whatsoever for the driver to be doing anything else but driving and if they are, then they should be prosecuted and disciplined.
That sentiment includes single officer vehicles where an always-on voice link or other telemetry does not exist. In fact the very confusion over this matter suggests to me that amongst other things, police vehicles should by operated by a two person crew at least.