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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Turk on 24 August 2009, 23:02:00
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http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=149319571
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Exactly how retarded are the parents >:( >:( >:(
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Whilst not making any excues for the parents of these children, we need to seriously look at the school holidays. We are now in week 5 and the problems started last week, for many there are still 2 weeks holiday to go. Children, generally no longer bring in the harvest, so time for a change. This is my personal opinion. :)
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Exactly how retarded are the parents >:( >:( >:(
I agree,
If we did anything like that or even thought about doing things like that we would get a good hiding that you could not sit for a month.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208329/Actress-Brooke-Kinsella-recounts-raw-brothers-murder.html
This is an article about Ben Kinsella,towards the end of the article his sister describes how the murderers families (at court)spat at her family ,called them scum and told her dad that he should "show respect.
Not much you can say about people like that apart from Gas them. >:(
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Whilst not making any excues for the parents of these children, we need to seriously look at the school holidays. We are now in week 5 and the problems started last week, for many there are still 2 weeks holiday to go. Children, generally no longer bring in the harvest, so time for a change. This is my personal opinion. :)
That is a very good point, Vamps. The children of low-income families are more likely to act anti-socially than those of higher income units. I think most would agree with that statement. The higher income families will pay for the foreign holidays, the holiday activity courses, and so on. Those on low incomes will not be able to do so. Their children will, over the course of six weeks, become bored and disaffected...as well as being envious of their peers who are in Disneyland.
I think we need to rethink these long summer breaks.
Once again, a good point well made, Vamps. :y
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.........although it is a relevant viewpoint,I could point out that I had 8 weeks of summer holidays from school every year,lived in a council house,didnt go abroad until I was 30 years old.I never got up to anything like that.I was brought up to know the difference between right and wrong and if I did anything remotely like that my old man would have given me a hiding that I would never have forgotten. ;)
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.........although it is a relevant viewpoint,I could point out that I had 8 weeks of summer holidays from school every year,lived in a council house,didnt go abroad until I was 30 years old.I never got up to anything like that.I was brought up to know the difference between right and wrong and if I did anything remotely like that my old man would have given me a hiding that I would never have forgotten. ;)
But this is what we have lost, as I have said before, we have kids being brought up by kids, 3rd generation on non working parents, where their rights empower the people whilst dis-empowering the authorities and the law... :( until this changes, well........... :question
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I agree Mike,take away their "rights" and give them strict guidelines on civilised behaviour.If that doesnt work...well,I better not type what I would suggest doing after that,but I do think something drastic needs to be done and soon.
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.........although it is a relevant viewpoint,I could point out that I had 8 weeks of summer holidays from school every year,lived in a council house,didnt go abroad until I was 30 years old.I never got up to anything like that.I was brought up to know the difference between right and wrong and if I did anything remotely like that my old man would have given me a hiding that I would never have forgotten. ;)
Not dissimilar to my upbringing, but today the world has changed. Aside from the right/wrong issue, with which I fully concur, the cost of keeping our kids occupied is huge. Additionally, whilst I could happily go out on the street and play with my peers (most of whom grew up to be normal citizens), the streets these days are the domain of disaffected, drug-taking, foul-mouthed, feral kids and I don't let my children out there for that very reason. :(
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There are many uninhabited islands off our coast ,where the uncivilised could be placed.
we could then start again with a clean sheet,having learned the lessons. :y :)
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.........although it is a relevant viewpoint,I could point out that I had 8 weeks of summer holidays from school every year,lived in a council house,didnt go abroad until I was 30 years old.I never got up to anything like that.I was brought up to know the difference between right and wrong and if I did anything remotely like that my old man would have given me a hiding that I would never have forgotten. ;)
Not dissimilar to my upbringing, but today the world has changed. Aside from the right/wrong issue, with which I fully concur, the cost of keeping our kids occupied is huge. Additionally, whilst I could happily go out on the street and play with my peers (most of whom grew up to be normal citizens), the streets these days are the domain of disaffected, drug-taking, foul-mouthed, feral kids and I don't let my children out there for that very reason. :([/quote]
Absolutely, these are the streets I work, fortunately not the streets where I live, I am lucky and can happily let Miss Vamps, 9 years, play out with little concern, not without a mobile phone though. A modern convenience / safeguarding item, that did not exist when I freely played as a child..... :)
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Unless I'm reading that wrong, the headline says 'strung up' and the story says 'tied him to a tree'.
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It is a case that some of the little brats are too well protected these days knowing full well that they cannot be touched because there scummy parents have taught them as such.
All this PC, H&S rubbish is a pile of pants. the kids have done wrong stick them under house arrest and tag the parent as well to ensure they stay with the kid. (they aren't going anywhere other than down the dole office anyway)
I live on a council estate but am lucky enough to own my own property. The local council have tried to run various activities but when the few scum kids spoiled it for the majority they cancelled it
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when i was young we had loads to do in the school holidays so there was no boredom, but we did get up to no good now and then, but saying that, we wouldnt of even thought of doing something like that. if the kids know they can get away with it they are going to do it. there is no punishment today, no respect for others or there property. if the parents dont give a break then they wont give a break what the kids do.
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I think a lot of it is that parents now, either young or old, are too lazy and selfish to go through the hard work of teaching kids right from wrong. It's easier to copitulate than stand your ground and often sacrifice something yourself in order to teach a kid what is right.
I think age of parents is almost used as an excuse to let some of them off, not just by them, but by the general public who see it as an easy explanation of their obvious failings, I also think that while having parents that work full time makes it harder it just means that extra effort needs to be pit in while they are at home, sadly, people aren't prepared to sacrifice their precious time to devote to their kids, and then who teaches them right from wrong?
My wife works with children and can see as early as three that they don't know how to play or amuse themselves as they are so used to being sat in front of the tv to keep them quiet, of they're like this at three what do people expect at 10?
Years ago I am told that everyone would be so concerned what the neighbours would think, that even if they didn't want to, the social pressure made th pit some effort in to parenting, now there is none of that and it's a loss to society.
I think until ther is a drastic change in society and what people expect from their leaders and government, each other, and moral values return to a more traditional way nothing will change. It will take a major event to effect this change, and I was hopeful it may have been the recession, however I don't think it'll be the case.
I'm only 26. I have a child of 1 and a child of 5, I work full time and my wife part time, yet we wanted kids and as a result will self scrifice to ensure they are brought up correctly, so I firmly beleive that all the excuses are just that.
Maybe it'll end up that parents need a licence before being allowed a child. I think it will be a sad day if it happens and promote all sorts of outcry but i can't dee another way.
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theres no direction for these kids nowadays.around my way it goes-(from an early age)
1)get born into a chav benefit crazed family.
2)as soon as you are aware get to know that you cannot be touched by the law or others around you.
3)walk around as you own the area- this may include damaging property, abusing people, underage drinking, playing loud music at all hours, walking your 2 pitbulls/staffs and smoking weed.
4)buy either a death trap car or a push bike. (nicking one may be easier)
5)have loads of kids with loads of likewise girls cos it will all be paid for anyway and you will not need to take any responsibility.
6)start a bit of dealing drugs (for extra respect)
7)get protection for the above- a gun or machete is usual.
8)murder someone for disrespecting you.
teach the whole example to the next child or offspring.
does this all sound familiar? who will be able to break the cycle? and the country continues to go downhill............................ :-/