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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: nick v6 on 13 September 2009, 20:21:29
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finaly got it sorted
ann's tigra's now got the same alarm system as me,
remote central locking and remote start,
plus she has wanted automatic headlights to turn on and off, i even wired them up as well :y :)
all that is left to do now is put the radio back and the glove box back and its all finished :y :y :y :y :y
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Your starting to get a right little electric guru now,
when will the next thing come like electric door openers or something?Lol
Great job mate well done :y
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Your starting to get a right little electric guru now,
when will the next thing come like electric door openers or something?Lol
Great job mate well done :y
i did fit a boot popper to the mig to work from my alarm :y
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
in the winter when its all icey
instead of going out side freezing your balls off
just press buttons on the key fob and the car will warm up ready for when you go out ;D ;D :y
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
It was originally thought of for tractors, as they neededto warm through before they would drive properly.
I allways remember an astra diesel that I used to borrow, would start easily, but had no power at all untill it was up to running temp. the down side after that was allthough the power got the car moving the brakes were useless at stopping it. (Same a my GT) the master cylinder was on the wrn side of the car and helped towards the pi$$ poor performance of the brakes.
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
in the winter when its all icey
instead of going out side freezing your balls off
just press buttons on the key fob and the car will warm up ready for when you go out ;D ;D :y
Errr, but you would still have to de-ice the windows if its that cold. Turn on the rear window heater, and adjust the air vents and so on.
So whats the point? Not to mention someone could just jump in and drive off, which won't be covered by insurance.
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
in the winter when its all icey
instead of going out side freezing your balls off
just press buttons on the key fob and the car will warm up ready for when you go out ;D ;D :y
Errr, but you would still have to de-ice the windows if its that cold. Turn on the rear window heater, and adjust the air vents and so on.
So whats the point? Not to mention someone could just jump in and drive off, which won't be covered by insurance.
they cant as the car is still locked, the steering lock is still on
plus if they decide to break in the engine will cut out and the alarm will sound plus i get paged if anything happens :y
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
in the winter when its all icey
instead of going out side freezing your balls off
just press buttons on the key fob and the car will warm up ready for when you go out ;D ;D :y
Errr, but you would still have to de-ice the windows if its that cold. Turn on the rear window heater, and adjust the air vents and so on.
So whats the point? Not to mention someone could just jump in and drive off, which won't be covered by insurance.
Put the heater on full to vent on the windows s you get out the night before.
Sure the remote could switch on the HRW, but whist warming though would probably defrost it anyway. As to the car being locked Nick has allready said the door are locked and if anything is tampered with the car shuts down and activates the larm.
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
in the winter when its all icey
instead of going out side freezing your balls off
just press buttons on the key fob and the car will warm up ready for when you go out ;D ;D :y
Errr, but you would still have to de-ice the windows if its that cold. Turn on the rear window heater, and adjust the air vents and so on.
So whats the point? Not to mention someone could just jump in and drive off, which won't be covered by insurance.
they cant as the car is still locked, the steering lock is still on
plus if they decide to break in the engine will cut out and the alarm will sound plus i get paged if anything happens :y
I still don't get the point?? You still have to go to the car unlock the car, get the ice scraper out of the boot, scrape the windows, turn the rear heater on and set the front to de-mist? You also don't really get the heat flowing until the revs are up.
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Sounds like a great job Nick well done :y :y - concerning the unattended warm-up and unattended running in general, have a look at rule 123 on the following; (Construction and Use Regulations)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070304
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504888/Driver-fined-leaving-engine-running-car-defrosted-outside-home.html
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/04/16936/21249
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Sounds like a great job Nick well done :y :y - concerning the unattended warm-up and unattended running in general, have a look at rule 123 on the following; (Construction and Use Regulations)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070304
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504888/Driver-fined-leaving-engine-running-car-defrosted-outside-home.html
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/04/16936/21249
you've been doing some googleing ;D ;D ;D ;D
i know loads of people that leave there engines running while the car defrosts, beats sitting in the cold waiting for the windows to demist before driving
ive seen loads of cars going down the road on a cold morning where there windscreen is misted up and you see the driver trying to look through a small gap at the bottom of the wind screen
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why would anyone want remote start? :-/
in the winter when its all icey
instead of going out side freezing your balls off
just press buttons on the key fob and the car will warm up ready for when you go out ;D ;D :y
Errr, but you would still have to de-ice the windows if its that cold. Turn on the rear window heater, and adjust the air vents and so on.
So whats the point? Not to mention someone could just jump in and drive off, which won't be covered by insurance.
they cant as the car is still locked, the steering lock is still on
plus if they decide to break in the engine will cut out and the alarm will sound plus i get paged if anything happens :y
I still don't get the point?? You still have to go to the car unlock the car, get the ice scraper out of the boot, scrape the windows, turn the rear heater on and set the front to de-mist? You also don't really get the heat flowing until the revs are up.
I disagree.
In the 70' when we had proper snow, I used to go out and start my Dad's beemer so we could go home from work. Start the car, heating set to the screen on full heat and walk away.
When we set off all the snow on the roof and windows had gone.as I say that was 32yeaars ago with upto inches of snow on the car.
When the directors saw what I was doing they wanted the same treatmen. So had to start a RollsRoyce, XJS and a Daimler Sovereign if they had manage to ge them into work. They were all well chuffed.
A remote system would have made my life easier.
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
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Sounds like a great job Nick well done :y :y - concerning the unattended warm-up and unattended running in general, have a look at rule 123 on the following; (Construction and Use Regulations)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070304
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504888/Driver-fined-leaving-engine-running-car-defrosted-outside-home.html
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/04/16936/21249
you've been doing some googleing ;D ;D ;D ;D
i know loads of people that leave there engines running while the car defrosts, beats sitting in the cold waiting for the windows to demist before driving
ive seen loads of cars going down the road on a cold morning where there windscreen is misted up and you see the driver trying to look through a small gap at the bottom of the wind screen
;D ;D ;D I know what you mean Nick and can understand why it is an attractive facility to have, but today there seems to an overbearing desire for officialdom to interfere in how we behave in our daily lives and I would imagine that the unattended running issue will be the next thing on the snoopers agenda ::)
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
Errr :-/ - Omega climate won't blow any hot air unless it can reach that temp.
So even if you start it, and drive off 3/4 mins later its still the same as starting off and driving off instantly.
It will heat up faster under driving anyway, so i renew my opinion on these pointless chavvy accessories
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but does it relly matter? each to there own!!!
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
Errr :-/ - Omega climate won't blow any hot air unless it can reach that temp.
So even if you start it, and drive off 3/4 mins later its still the same as starting off and driving off instantly.
It will heat up faster under driving anyway, so i renew my opinion on these pointless chavvy accessories
but letting it warm up for a bit before you get in it helps on a really cold morning
you won't see me sat in the car driving and being really cold with a wolly hat and a scarf ;D
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
Errr :-/ - Omega climate won't blow any hot air unless it can reach that temp.
So even if you start it, and drive off 3/4 mins later its still the same as starting off and driving off instantly.
It will heat up faster under driving anyway, so i renew my opinion on these pointless chavvy accessories
Thats why I dont drive off till I have full allound vision., might have a remote tarter fitted, think it;s a great idea. :y
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
I have been doing this on winters mornings for years, in all sorts of cars, get into a nice warm car with the windows defrosted. :y
I have to do this manually though so hit the front an rear demist buttons and turn up heat full and go and finish my cup of tea, keys in the car as well. swmbo does it to hers and hers is parked on the road. ::)
Scruntie, I remember having to do that with diesels, not sure you need to do that now, my Citroen is diesel and makes no apparent difference. :y :y
Sorry Nick, got carried away, great idea.... :y :y
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
Errr :-/ - Omega climate won't blow any hot air unless it can reach that temp.
So even if you start it, and drive off 3/4 mins later its still the same as starting off and driving off instantly.
It will heat up faster under driving anyway, so i renew my opinion on these pointless chavvy accessories
Thats why I dont drive off till I have full allound vision., might have a remote starter fitted, think it;s a great idea. :y
give me a shout if you need hand fitting it :y
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Some people are just sad & find fault with what ever you do. So please your self & %$£" em :y :y
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Some people are just sad & find fault with what ever you do. So please your self & %$£" em :y :y
well said that man :y :y
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But aren't you supposed to let the car warm up anyway before moving? That way you don't damage the cats
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
I have been doing this on winters mornings for years, in all sorts of cars, get into a nice warm car with the windows defrosted. :y
I have to do this manually though so hit the front an rear demist buttons and turn up heat full and go and finish my cup of tea, keys in the car as well. swmbo does it to hers and hers is parked on the road. ::)
Scruntie, I remember having to do that with diesels, not sure you need to do that now, my Citroen is diesel and makes no apparent difference. :y :y
cant imagine getting into a cold Elite with 6" of snow over night.
Saying that I dont think tunnie is old enough o have sen proper snow in this country. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
Errr :-/ - Omega climate won't blow any hot air unless it can reach that temp.
So even if you start it, and drive off 3/4 mins later its still the same as starting off and driving off instantly.
It will heat up faster under driving anyway, so i renew my opinion on these pointless chavvy accessories
Thats why I dont drive off till I have full allound vision., might have a remote starter fitted, think it;s a great idea. :y
give me a shout if you need hand fitting it :y
Can you rmote control the HRW and the seats. ?
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seems like a chav mod, i have never felt the need for a remote start.
In winter i go out, scrap the windows if its frosted. I do NOT start the car, after its all scraped off, i get in, and drive off.
Simple.
Omega climate control, will not blow any air until it reaches the temp you set anyway. And cars with older systems will just blow cold air, steaming the car up anyway!
Its must be good for the environment for people to start these cars running for no reason, other than lazyness.
Must be even better driving off in a car where the screen could ice over or mist up on the inside without notice so that you cant see where you are going.
Errr :-/ - Omega climate won't blow any hot air unless it can reach that temp.
So even if you start it, and drive off 3/4 mins later its still the same as starting off and driving off instantly.
It will heat up faster under driving anyway, so i renew my opinion on these pointless chavvy accessories
Thats why I dont drive off till I have full allound vision., might have a remote starter fitted, think it;s a great idea. :y
give me a shout if you need hand fitting it :y
Can you rmote control the HRW and the seats. ?
there is extra outputs for to turn the air-con on so i guess you could easily wire that to the heated rear window and seats :y
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
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they also have these brand new inventions, very modern, very flash.
Its called a JUMPER, keeps me warm! ;D
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they also have these brand new inventions, very modern, very flash.
Its called a JUMPER, keeps me warm! ;D
along with your duffel coat and wolly hat and scarf ;D ;D ;D
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Each to thier own tunnie, I am happy with my methd, butthen I am an old man by your standards. I just dont want to knock som munter of thier motor bike coz I cant see where I m going coz I am wimp and they aint.
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they also have these brand new inventions, very modern, very flash.
Its called a JUMPER, keeps me warm! ;D
along with your duffel coat and wolly hat and scarf ;D ;D ;D
I've driven to work with it reading -4 on the dash in jeans & t-shirt, no jumper, no scarf, and felt fine.
The trouble is you lot don't know what cold is, go to Chicago in December. Its -22 ambient, with -30 windchill.
Thats cold, what we get here is nothing.
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they also have these brand new inventions, very modern, very flash.
Its called a JUMPER, keeps me warm! ;D
along with your duffel coat and wolly hat and scarf ;D ;D ;D
I've driven to work with it reading -4 on the dash in jeans & t-shirt, no jumper, no scarf, and felt fine.
The trouble is you lot don't know what cold is, go to Chicago in December. Its -22 ambient, with -30 windchill.
Thats cold, what we get here is nothing.
Interestingpoint Tunnie, but keep it in the UK nd regards our weather.
Anything past zero, the gritters dont run any more coz of H&E. plus I have been there and done that driving in 10" of snow in RWD and dealing ith deep snow drifts. Now older and wiser, i stay in bed and say fook it. Why bother.
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i worked from home in the snow. When i got back from Chicago a couple of years back, we got used to the -20 temp.
We walked into town in jeans and t-shirt, no coats or anything, was like -1 all day. It felt like a summers day in comparison!
I got a few odd looks ::)
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I think one of the first uses of remote starting was the Mafia in the USA. People kept wiring up bombs to the ignition switch, so wireless remote start allowed the Boss to start his car and if it blew up he wouldn't use it. :D
ken
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they also have these brand new inventions, very modern, very flash.
Its called a JUMPER, keeps me warm! ;D
along with your duffel coat and wolly hat and scarf ;D ;D ;D
I've driven to work with it reading -4 on the dash in jeans & t-shirt, no jumper, no scarf, and felt fine.
The trouble is you lot don't know what cold is, go to Chicago in December. Its -22 ambient, with -30 windchill.
Thats cold, what we get here is nothing.
I've woken up in the wagon, parked in Poland with the dash telling me it's -26°c. I had both night heaters on and the engine running all night and still had to scrape the inside of the windows, then kick the door open as the seals had frozen before I could even start to de-ice the outside ;D ;D ;D
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finaly got it sorted
ann's tigra's now got the same alarm system as me,
remote central locking and remote start,
plus she has wanted automatic headlights to turn on and off, i even wired them up as well :y :)
all that is left to do now is put the radio back and the glove box back and its all finished :y :y :y :y :y
That's all cosmetic - what is the cambelt and waterpump history :D :D :y
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
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WHen it is cold I warm mine up to defrost - saves having mist ups as I drive along
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
http://images.omegaowners.com/documents/UserGuides/OmegaOct2002.pdf
Page 143, central column.
Warming up
Allow the engine to warm up while driving.
Do not warm it up by letting it run at idling
speed.
Then again, thats just GM & Vauxhalls opinion ;)
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That Tunnie is what happens when the tree huggers gain the amount of influence that they now have.It is all about cutting the amount of emissions your car produces during its lifetime.The only thing worse than a car driving along the road causing pollution is a car not being driven but still causing pollution,shortened engine life is a small price to pay for saving the polar ice cap from melting by next spring. ;)
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
http://images.omegaowners.com/documents/UserGuides/OmegaOct2002.pdf
Page 143, central column.
Warming up
Allow the engine to warm up while driving.
Do not warm it up by letting it run at idling
speed.
Then again, thats just GM & Vauxhalls opinion ;)
Do you do "Every thing" by the book Tunnie.?
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
http://images.omegaowners.com/documents/UserGuides/OmegaOct2002.pdf
Page 143, central column.
Warming up
Allow the engine to warm up while driving.
Do not warm it up by letting it run at idling
speed.
Then again, thats just GM & Vauxhalls opinion ;)
Do you do "Every thing" by the book Tunnie.?
sounds like it :D
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
http://images.omegaowners.com/documents/UserGuides/OmegaOct2002.pdf
Page 143, central column.
Warming up
Allow the engine to warm up while driving.
Do not warm it up by letting it run at idling
speed.
Then again, thats just GM & Vauxhalls opinion ;)
Do you do "Every thing" by the book Tunnie.?
sounds like it :D
When it comes to car maintaince, yes ;)
Otherwise no.
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how do you get it to start without the transponder in the key?
Doug
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how do you get it to start without the transponder in the key?
Doug
It's a '94 model so no immobiliser fitted
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
http://images.omegaowners.com/documents/UserGuides/OmegaOct2002.pdf
Page 143, central column.
Warming up
Allow the engine to warm up while driving.
Do not warm it up by letting it run at idling
speed.
Then again, thats just GM & Vauxhalls opinion ;)
It would be interesting to know which side of this debate an engineer such as MarkDTM falls on. :-/
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you all fail to realise that driving will heat the car up much faster than leave it idling on the drive. Engine revs will be up, faster coolant circulation.
During the winter i leave at 7 am, its frosted, get back to station at 8pm its frosted, never had a need to sit there 'warming it up'
just drive you wimps
Wrong imo,you should try to let an engine get to operating temperature before putting it under load - ie driving. ;)
http://images.omegaowners.com/documents/UserGuides/OmegaOct2002.pdf
Page 143, central column.
Warming up
Allow the engine to warm up while driving.
Do not warm it up by letting it run at idling
speed.
Then again, thats just GM & Vauxhalls opinion ;)
It would be interesting to know which side of this debate an engineer such as MarkDTM falls on. :-/
Its a huge myth that starting your car to warm it up first is good, its not.
Think about the basics, the engine may be warm, and those heaters ;) when you start driving, the transmission and suspension are not.
Slow driving warms up a car much better than left idling.
Start, leave maybe 10-30 seconds at most, then drive slowly until temp is raised. This way everything warms up together.
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Not convinced Tunnie.the oil needs time to pump all around the internals and get to a temperature where it can flow effectively.the different metals need to get to operating temperature to operate with the correct clearances,I believe this should be done at idle speed rather than when the engine is turning at many times per second.Just like athletes need to warm up the muscles before running a race.It probably isnt as crucial as it was years ago, due to technology advances in oil and metallurgy, but I still believe its important. ;)
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Not convinced Tunnie.the oil needs time to pump all around the internals and get to a temperature where it can flow effectively.the different metals need to get to operating temperature to operate with the correct clearances,I believe this should be done at idle speed rather than when the engine is turning at many times per second.Just like athletes need to warm up the muscles before running a race.It probably isnt as crucial as it was years ago, due to technology advances in oil and metallurgy, but I still believe its important. ;)
Its your choice, but i'd save up for those replacement cats you will need :y
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I've been reading this debate with a bit of interest as I've always been lead to believe that a car should be driven immediately after starting rather than leave it idling to warm up. An article I read about this stated that it's to do with fuel not being completely burned until the engine reaches peak temperature and that the fuel residue from incomplete burning can cause damage to some engine parts. :-/
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The cats will be fine, it's just that they don't work efficiently until hot.
The only way to damage the cats is if they become coated in fuel or oil, unless your engine management is completely stuffed or you have valve stem seal problems then neither will be a problem.
Besides, your cats barely get hot enough driving around normally and generally the car will need to be driven on a fast road before they'll reach optimum temperature.
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Yup, as bob says.
Engine is cold so computer says, have some more fuel to keep that idle up!
This chucks a lot of emmisions down the exhaust, cats needs high temps in the exhaust to help process the emissions. So if you do this daily (leaving car for 10 mins to warm up) you will block the cats.
And looking at mark adams price for a 4 pot cat at £227 its a very expensive method to warm your car up!
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Yup, as bob says.
Engine is cold so computer says, have some more fuel to keep that idle up!
This chucks a lot of emmisions down the exhaust, cats needs high temps in the exhaust to help process the emissions. So if you do this daily (leaving car for 10 mins to warm up) you will block the cats.
And looking at mark adams price for a 4 pot cat at £227 its a very expensive method to warm your car up!
My cats have lasted 137,000 miles so far.They dont owe me anything. :)
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The engine management will look after the cats whatever the engine operating conditions.
My take on this is that the engine will not be lubricated as effectively when cold, it will be building up contamination in the crankcase, water vapour in the exhaust, emissions will be terrible etc.
If you drive off, it will warm up very much quicker than if it's left idling, so will spend less time running cold. If it's idling, arguably there's less load on it so the effects of poor lubrication will be less.
Modern oils do a reasonable job of lubricating a lightly-loaded engine even when at sub-zero temperatures whereas that has not always been the case with older oils.
I will always drive off straight away if it's safe to do so but keep the loads on the engine low until the oil has come up to temperature (Note: that could well take a lot longer than for the coolant to get up to temperature).
Most important message, IMHO? Don't rag it when it's cold.
.. and if you can't see where you're going or there's a danger of the screen icing up when you move away, common sense dictates that you let it warm up until the heater can keep the screen clear!
Kevin
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The engine management will look after the cats whatever the engine operating conditions.
My take on this is that the engine will not be lubricated as effectively when cold, it will be building up contamination in the crankcase, water vapour in the exhaust, emissions will be terrible etc.
If you drive off, it will warm up very much quicker than if it's left idling, so will spend less time running cold. If it's idling, arguably there's less load on it so the effects of poor lubrication will be less.
Modern oils do a reasonable job of lubricating a lightly-loaded engine even when at sub-zero temperatures whereas that has not always been the case with older oils.
I will always drive off straight away if it's safe to do so but keep the loads on the engine low until the oil has come up to temperature (Note: that could well take a lot longer than for the coolant to get up to temperature).
Most important message, IMHO? Don't rag it when it's cold.
.. and if you can't see where you're going or there's a danger of the screen icing up when you move away, common sense dictates that you let it warm up until the heater can keep the screen clear!
Kevin
and that now means we have come full circle in the debate.
COMMON SENCE - Whether the engine is hot or not, if I cant see through my screen without having to wipe it on the inside with anything then the car remains in PARK, and the reason why I would consider a remote start system. :y :y
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how do you get it to start without the transponder in the key?
Doug
i bypassed my immobiliseras the alarm system i fitted has a immobiliser built in :y
ann's tigra is a N reg 1996 that had a transpoder in it and i bypassed that as well :y
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how do you get it to start without the transponder in the key?
Doug
i bypassed my immobiliseras the alarm system i fitted has a immobiliser built in :y
ann's tigra is a N reg 1996 that had a transpoder in it and i bypassed that as well :y
Told your insurance company? ::)
Someone can just smash the window, get in, snap the steering lock and drive off. Doubt you would be covered.
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how do you get it to start without the transponder in the key?
Doug
i bypassed my immobiliseras the alarm system i fitted has a immobiliser built in :y
ann's tigra is a N reg 1996 that had a transpoder in it and i bypassed that as well :y
Told your insurance company? ::)
Someone can just smash the window, get in, snap the steering lock and drive off. Doubt you would be covered.
yes i have told my insurance company
and no, no one can just jump in and snap the steering lock and drive off
i think your forgetting things tunnie
you just so wrapped up in yourself about remote start
yes you don't like it
if you don't like it, end of stop your moaning
if people want remote start let them have it
if they don't want it then they don't have to have it
the alarm system i have fitted has a immobiliser built in and is fully alarmed
my insurance company knows and ill even give you my insurance contact number etc and let you try and grass me up to my own insurance company
it don't bother me as i'm fully covered
everything i have done to both the mig and ann's tigra has been passed onto the insurance company
and thats everything before you start sayin " what about this that and th other"
thats the exhaust
the hids
everything
end of tunnie
stop your moaning and get on with other stuff
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that enter key a bit stuck again? ;D Try typing a whole line for once. And yes anyone can just jump in and snap a steering lock, seen it done
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that enter key a bit stuck again? ;D Try typing a whole line for once. And yes anyone can just jump in and snap a steering lock, seen it done
yeah anyone can snap a sterring lock, but would need to get in the car without the alarm going off and then they gotta try and bypass the immobiliser,
don't forget anything that happens to the car while its locked, the alarm pages me and the pager works at a good distance as well
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A few deep breaths are neede I think. ;) ::)
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how do you get it to start without the transponder in the key?
Doug
i bypassed my immobiliseras the alarm system i fitted has a immobiliser built in :y
ann's tigra is a N reg 1996 that had a transpoder in it and i bypassed that as well :y
Told your insurance company? ::)
Someone can just smash the window, get in, snap the steering lock and drive off. Doubt you would be covered.
yes i have told my insurance company
and no, no one can just jump in and snap the steering lock and drive off
i think your forgetting things tunnie
you just so wrapped up in yourself about remote start
yes you don't like it
if you don't like it, end of stop your moaning
if people want remote start let them have it
if they don't want it then they don't have to have it
the alarm system i have fitted has a immobiliser built in and is fully alarmed
my insurance company knows and ill even give you my insurance contact number etc and let you try and grass me up to my own insurance company
it don't bother me as i'm fully covered
everything i have done to both the mig and ann's tigra has been passed onto the insurance company
and thats everything before you start sayin " what about this that and th other"
thats the exhaust
the hids
everything
end of tunnie
stop your moaning and get on with other stuff
And deap breaths in deap breaths out
nick v6 relax man dont get wound up be an internet forum ;)
I like the remote starts
had it with my clifford alarms and i liked it
car started and at idle heaters set to warm the night before slowly warming/defrosting the car while im in the shower. cant beat it guys
sometimes i get the feeling some people on here just love to pick holes in everything other people do
how about a bit of credit to the guy for fitting what appears to be a fairly complex alarm system on 2 occassions
if its not your thing dont buy one but why pick faults with it.
Doug
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Exactly. :y
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i am carm, just certain things really bug me at times, its like a little kid when they keep on and on and on,
ive got 3 kids of my own and i get it from them, the last thing i want is to get it from a certain other person :y
apart from that, i'm fine and happy and not bthered about the fact that to wire the 2 cars its took just over 20 hours in total
but well worth it :y :y :y