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Title: Did you know?
Post by: Nickbat on 14 September 2009, 22:59:52
From the 13th August 2009 the UK formally adopted the EU Type Approval legislation for the sale and installation of replacement catalytic converters for passenger car and light commercial vehicles.

This applies to post-2001 cars only and means they will be more expensive.

Ho hum. Another expensive law brought to you by the great EU.  :(

http://www.onlineautomotive.co.uk/blog/view/new-catalytic-converter-legislation/4
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Toby on 14 September 2009, 23:08:45
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...Ho hum. Another expensive law brought to you by the great EU...

Which every other country will ignore and only the UK will enforce at great expense

 >:( >:(
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: dad1uk on 15 September 2009, 08:14:11
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...Ho hum. Another expensive law brought to you by the great EU...

Which every other country will ignore and only the UK will enforce at great expense

 >:( >:(


AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Banjax on 15 September 2009, 08:52:02
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From the 13th August 2009 the UK formally adopted the EU Type Approval legislation for the sale and installation of replacement catalytic converters for passenger car and light commercial vehicles.

This applies to post-2001 cars only and means they will be more expensive.

Ho hum. Another expensive law brought to you by the great EU.  :(

http://www.onlineautomotive.co.uk/blog/view/new-catalytic-converter-legislation/4

i don't know if they've been improved over the years, but catalytic converters were developed for the warm climate of california where cars would typically run for hours commuting - if you're doing short hops in our climate - they don't really have any practical use  ;D
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: KillerWatt on 15 September 2009, 09:07:11
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if you're doing short hops in our climate - they don't really have any practical use  ;D
Yup.
They take a good 15 minutes or so to get up to temperature, during which time they are chucking out more crap than a car that doesn't have one fitted.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: tunnie on 15 September 2009, 09:16:22
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if you're doing short hops in our climate - they don't really have any practical use  ;D
Yup.
They take a good 15 minutes or so to get up to temperature, during which time they are chucking out more crap than a car that doesn't have one fitted.

and don't forget making them is a hugly dirty process as well
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Brick Tamland on 15 September 2009, 09:20:08
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if you're doing short hops in our climate - they don't really have any practical use  ;D
Yup.
They take a good 15 minutes or so to get up to temperature, during which time they are chucking out more crap than a car that doesn't have one fitted.

So, I'm actually helping the enviroment then :-[  :P
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 15 September 2009, 09:32:07
I believe EU is usefull only for paying high salaries for its burocrats.. and some laws usefull for the rich..

other than its only sh*te.. >:(

and think why they let eu workers move freely between the countries..  :D ;)
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 15 September 2009, 09:50:23
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From the 13th August 2009 the UK formally adopted the EU Type Approval legislation for the sale and installation of replacement catalytic converters for passenger car and light commercial vehicles.

This applies to post-2001 cars only and means they will be more expensive.

Ho hum. Another expensive law brought to you by the great EU.  :(

http://www.onlineautomotive.co.uk/blog/view/new-catalytic-converter-legislation/4


How are they going to find out?
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: tunnie on 15 September 2009, 09:53:45
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From the 13th August 2009 the UK formally adopted the EU Type Approval legislation for the sale and installation of replacement catalytic converters for passenger car and light commercial vehicles.

This applies to post-2001 cars only and means they will be more expensive.

Ho hum. Another expensive law brought to you by the great EU.  :(

http://www.onlineautomotive.co.uk/blog/view/new-catalytic-converter-legislation/4

I do love having a 2000 plate car  ;D
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 September 2009, 10:06:49
I can't see factors keeping supplies of both approved and non-approved cats, TBH, so I guess they'll all get more expensive. I also can't see anyone bothering to enforce it. When people drive round blatently using mobile phones without recourse is someone really going to pull you over and crawl under the car to see if your cat has the right number on it?

Kevin
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: STMO999 on 15 September 2009, 17:12:02
As long as your car passes the MOT emissions test, what's the difference?
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: KillerWatt on 15 September 2009, 20:19:58
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I do love having a 2000 plate car  ;D
Own an import or self built, then you'll start to get a true idea of what freedom from bull**it legislation is all about  ;)
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: amigov6 on 15 September 2009, 20:22:12
The Beastie is cat exempt, doesn't have any, expensive waste of time!!! 8-)
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 September 2009, 21:46:13
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I do love having a 2000 plate car  ;D
Own an import or self built, then you'll start to get a true idea of what freedom from bull**it legislation is all about  ;)

Amen to that. Especially if it's Q plated. :y

Kevin
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Vamps on 15 September 2009, 22:22:52
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The Beastie is cat exempt, doesn't have any, expensive waste of time!!! 8-)

How is that then? I thought all cars had to have them from the very early 90's  :-/
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 September 2009, 23:54:45
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The Beastie is cat exempt, doesn't have any, expensive waste of time!!! 8-)

How is that then? I thought all cars had to have them from the very early 90's  :-/

They do. You need a bent MOT tester - or swap them back on for the test.

Kevin
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: 3.2 manual on 16 September 2009, 04:30:11
i think 92 was the last you could de cat. i did a 90 gsi 3000 24v and a 92 gsi 3000 24v and a 92 senny 12v, when done with a nice free flowing exhaust system, they needed to be chipped to fuel properly at wide open throttle, as lambdas werent used at wide open and they fell back to preset maps( which caused them to run slightly weaker) if i remember rightly. if the mig fails, ill cut the pipes weld on flanges bolt em in and give the four, i still have from two them cars another outing! with the option, then of decat between mots...niccce, should give a good bit of time to learn how to fool the computer, im thinking it may be possible to use resistors in conjunction with the sensors either in series or parralell depending on which way voltage needs moving. to modify the sensor voltage returns, so the computer can still use the sensors to make adjustments but thinks all is good, what do you reckon kev? may also be possible to cure 420, 430 like this without moving anything, by moving sensor returns back into spec?
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: 3.2 manual on 16 September 2009, 05:18:55
just been out to freeze frame car to find out when 420, 430 last, and under what conditions occoured and after resetting 2 days ago the light is(said to be) off, no codes in module, what are the chances it loves doing this fault! :(
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 September 2009, 09:41:01
You're correct to point out that at full load the engine will go open-loop. However, the fuelling will still be based on the intake airflow from the MAF so I would have thought that it would handle a small increase in "breathing" without going lean.

The tool you really need to tune it is a Wideband Lambda sensor that can tell you what's going on over the full range of mixture. http://wbo2.com/

I mapped my Westfield using one of those in 30 miles on the road (from no map at all - well, a guessed one!).

As for fooling the signals to prevent 0420 and 0430 I have seen reference to this done on other cars. Depends exactly what the ECU is looking for from the post-cat sensors. The digging I've done suggests that the cat can become "saturated" with oxygen or with fuel. In either case, as the engine mixture switches between lean and rich there's a delay between the front and rear lambda sensor detecting it due to the "memory" in the cat. The longer the delay the more efficiently the cat is working.

Suggests just an RC network to delay the switching of the rear sensors might work. :-/

Kevin
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: 3.2 manual on 17 September 2009, 05:06:40
my thought was along the lines of, if the rear sensors say just for an example, while following the front sensors went high everso slightly, a very low value resistor in the signal wire, may stop it going out of spec. id heard of fiddles and the such to fix errors like this, if its more a timing side of the signal problem, its more hassle than the worth of it to fix.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 September 2009, 09:55:34
Here's another idea. The delay is effected by adding a spacer which "slows down" the response of the sensor.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-how-requests-questions-tips/114931-how-install-spark-plug-anti-foulers-remove-ses-cel-light.html

.. And here's an example of the "low pass filter" route:

http://cobrasvt.homestead.com/files/milelims/mil%5B1%5D.htm

None tried on an Omega AFAIK, but potentially less hassle than relocating the lambda sensors (known to work).

Kevin
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 September 2009, 10:06:01
There's an interesting description of a cat monitoring algorithm (not necessarily the same as an Omega) here: http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/7767223-post25.html

Kevin