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So New Labour may well be finished...................but consider this.
Apparently..................fourteen of David Camerons front bench spokesmen............are Old Etonians.....and another three work in his private office. >:( >:( >:( >:(
some of these inept.....incompetent.......pompous.....inbred....Tory buffoons......date back as far as the Thatcher era. :-/ :-/ :-/
Now I'am not a big fan of New Labour..(they have flattered to deceive)...............but I fail to see how a gathering of "sore bottomed" public school boys. ::) ::)...could be of any help to the average man in the street......................Unless they are wealthy ......of course.
This is an interesting....if lengthy read :y :y :y
ftp://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-band-of-etonian-brothers-449043.html
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Sorry mate but to me thats unadulterated inverted snobbery.Couldnt give a monkeys where they come from personally if they were capable of rebuilding the hateful ruination of the country caused by this shower of sh1te.Personally I very much doubt they can but thats another discussion altogether.
Btw,seem to remember Tony and quite a few of his cronies being ex public school. ;)
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Sorry mate but to me thats unadulterated inverted snobbery.Couldnt give a monkeys where they come from personally if they were capable of rebuilding the hateful ruination of the country caused by this shower of sh1te.Personally I very much doubt they can but thats another discussion altogether.
Btw,seem to remember Tony and quite a few of his cronies being ex public school. ;)
That's my point Albitz.................if they were "capable".......it would be fine.......But Eton ....tends to produce"incompetent bumblers"
The same applies to Tony Blair....It's the whole public school system. :y :y :y.......Two words Boris Johnson ;D ;D ;D
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I would have to disagree.These bumbling public school types,who are (or were) educated to be leaders (insufferable arrogance of course) ::) have led the country many times in the past,some brilliant some useless but none of them imo could ever come remotely close to causing the damage that this lot have caused during their time in office.If we want genuine working class people to lead us I think we will have to leave it for a few generations until the memory of the incoherent,unintelligable(and also as bent as any politician)- John Prescott has faded sufficiently. ;The worst ones imo are the ones from upper class backgrounds who try to hide the fact because they went all lefty at uni,an act of youthful rebelliousness that they end up turning into a career,Harriet Harperson is an example who springs to mind.Comes over as a slightly middle class career lady but is actually the niece of the 14th duke of poncenby smythness (or something like that). :y ;D
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My daughter goes to a public school (bursary)
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As I said to Lizzie yesterday.........we need ....educated.....intelligent......articulate..........and informed.....people to be in government.....we simply could not take a bunch of Manual workers .....shop workers ......exhaust fitters etc ..etc.......(much as I would love it to be possible) :D :D
So in my view........... University education is fine......but public schools like Eton......are so artificial.......insular............isolated from the real world...............and out of touch with "ordinary people"....that in my opinion....are unfit to produce a good PM :y :y :y :y
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Churchill. :)
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Churchill. :)
what he said :y
As long as politicians listen to the masses and emply common sense in policies and laws I dont care where they came from or what party they represent. I saw New Labour coming a mile off and vowed to leave the UK if they came to power.
I only moved back to the UK to serve the queen :y
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Churchill. :)
Yep.....I would say a good war time PM......but booted out by the retuning troops in 1945....who thought different ;D ;D
later as PM..1951-55.....pretty ineffectual.....(senile)
I believe that Churchill used to be a Liberal Albitz... ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Sorry mate but to me thats unadulterated inverted snobbery.Couldnt give a monkeys where they come from personally if they were capable of rebuilding the hateful ruination of the country caused by this shower of sh1te.Personally I very much doubt they can but thats another discussion altogether.
Btw,seem to remember Tony and quite a few of his cronies being ex public school. ;)
In total agreement with Albs on this one. It's a question of capability, not background.
And Etonians can't be in-bred as they're all male and the last time I checked, you need a female for breeding purposes. ;) ;)
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Sorry mate but to me thats unadulterated inverted snobbery.Couldnt give a monkeys where they come from personally if they were capable of rebuilding the hateful ruination of the country caused by this shower of sh1te.Personally I very much doubt they can but thats another discussion altogether.
Btw,seem to remember Tony and quite a few of his cronies being ex public school. ;)
In total agreement with Albs on this one. It's a question of capability, not background.
And Etonians can't be in-bred as they're all male and the last time I checked, you need a female for breeding purposes. ;) ;)
We all agree on that one.......but quite why a bunch of arrogant......out of touch...rich kids with a "nanny"............living together in an unnatural insular existence should be considered "more capable"and superior human beings than the rest of us.....escapes me. :y :y :y
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Sorry mate but to me thats unadulterated inverted snobbery.Couldnt give a monkeys where they come from personally if they were capable of rebuilding the hateful ruination of the country caused by this shower of sh1te.Personally I very much doubt they can but thats another discussion altogether.
Btw,seem to remember Tony and quite a few of his cronies being ex public school. ;)
In total agreement with Albs on this one. It's a question of capability, not background.
And Etonians can't be in-bred as they're all male and the last time I checked, you need a female for breeding purposes. ;) ;)
We all agree on that one.......but quite why a bunch of arrogant......out of touch...rich kids with a "nanny"............living together in an unnatural insular existence should be considered "more capable"and superior human beings than the rest of us.....escapes me. :y :y :y
I don't regard them as superior human beings at all.
As far as being arrogant, what is your basis for that comment? How many Old Etonians have you met? Yes, they come from wealthy backgrounds. But why should you have a problem with that?
I am prepared to happily accept that there are some real prats that come out of Eton, but then percentage-wise, I would imagine that there is a similar amount of prats that originate from your local comprehensive. ;)
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Look at so called "new labour" nearly all are public school types
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Yep,they try to hide it but they are mostly "champagne socialists" :y
My admittedly limited experience of "old money"people is that they tend to be genuine people with a deeply ingrained sense of responsibility,fair play and good manners.But my experience of "new money" people is that they have a tendency to be insecure and therefore assume you are not to be trusted,they dont have these old ingrained attributes of responsibility etc,just grab what you can while you can and dont let anyone get near it.Cherie Blair would appear to be a classic example of this - all fur coat and no knickers type of attitude.No class.
A bit of a generalisation maybe ,but thats the impression I have been left with.
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Sorry mate but to me thats unadulterated inverted snobbery.Couldnt give a monkeys where they come from personally if they were capable of rebuilding the hateful ruination of the country caused by this shower of sh1te.Personally I very much doubt they can but thats another discussion altogether.
Btw,seem to remember Tony and quite a few of his cronies being ex public school. ;)
In total agreement with Albs on this one. It's a question of capability, not background.
And Etonians can't be in-bred as they're all male and the last time I checked, you need a female for breeding purposes. ;) ;)
We all agree on that one.......but quite why a bunch of arrogant......out of touch...rich kids with a "nanny"............living together in an unnatural insular existence should be considered "more capable"and superior human beings than the rest of us.....escapes me. :y :y :y
I don't regard them as superior human beings at all.
As far as being arrogant, what is your basis for that comment? How many Old Etonians have you met? Yes, they come from wealthy backgrounds. But why should you have a problem with that?
I am prepared to happily accept that there are some real prats that come out of Eton, but then percentage-wise, I would imagine that there is a similar amount of prats that originate from your local comprehensive. ;)
Agreed Nickbat.........about 99%.......I won't include good old "bumbling Boris Johnson".....as he has a certain entertainment value. ;)
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I dont think Boris is as stupid as he looks. ;)
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So New Labour may well be finished...................but consider this.
Apparently..................fourteen of David Camerons front bench spokesmen............are Old Etonians.....and another three work in his private office. >:( >:( >:( >:(
some of these inept.....incompetent.......pompous.....inbred....Tory buffoons......date back as far as the Thatcher era. :-/ :-/ :-/
Now I'am not a big fan of New Labour..(they have flattered to deceive)...............but I fail to see how a gathering of "sore bottomed" public school boys. ::) ::)...could be of any help to the average man in the street......................Unless they are wealthy ......of course.
This is an interesting....if lengthy read :y :y :y
ftp://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-band-of-etonian-brothers-449043.html
Opti, whilst I find your comments in general to considered, balanced and entertaining, I'm afraid that the above seems rather too judgemental in the absence of definitive evidence.
These comments are quite generalised and unfortunately appear to be based on the prejudice of a system you’re not quite comfortable with.
The Public school system, inter alia, is an essential element of this nation’s establishment, an element that has helped us to maintain our national identity through the generations and many challenging times. To decry the individuals who have been fortunate enough to have attended such establishments as ‘sore bottomed inbreeds’ is crass to say the least.
This nation needs an establishment to balance the shortcomings and cyclical nature of the political system. Public schools, the Great universities, the Security Services, the Senior Civil Service – at least at one time – along with other groups provide this continuity. I, as part of this establishment, consider my contribution along with that of many others, to have been worthwhile and necessary to maintain who we are as a people, free and intelligent enough to decide whether or nor we are being manipulated by a soulless and incestuous political class.
In closing I can assure you that I’m not inbred nor is my bottom experiencing any level of discomfort whatever.
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So New Labour may well be finished...................but consider this.
Apparently..................fourteen of David Camerons front bench spokesmen............are Old Etonians.....and another three work in his private office. >:( >:( >:( >:(
some of these inept.....incompetent.......pompous.....inbred....Tory buffoons......date back as far as the Thatcher era. :-/ :-/ :-/
Now I'am not a big fan of New Labour..(they have flattered to deceive)...............but I fail to see how a gathering of "sore bottomed" public school boys. ::) ::)...could be of any help to the average man in the street......................Unless they are wealthy ......of course.
This is an interesting....if lengthy read :y :y :y
ftp://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-band-of-etonian-brothers-449043.html
Opti, whilst I find your comments in general to considered, balanced and entertaining, I'm afraid that the above seems rather too judgemental in the absence of definitive evidence.
These comments are quite generalised and unfortunately seem to be based on the prejudice of a system you’re not quite comfortable with.
The Public school system, inter alia, is an essential element of this nation’s establishment, an element that has helped us to maintain our national identity through the generations and many challenging times. To decry the individuals who have been fortunate enough to have attended such establishments as ‘sore bottomed inbreeds’ is crass to say the least.
This nation needs an establishment to balance the shortcomings and cyclical nature of the political system. Public schools, the Great universities, the Security Services, the Senior Civil Service – at least at one time – along with other groups provide this continuity. I, as part of this establishment, consider my contribution along with that of many others, to have been worthwhile and necessary to maintain who we are as a people, free and intelligent enough to decide whether or nor we are being manipulated by a soulless and incestuous political class.
In closing I can assure you that I’m not inbred nor is my bottom experiencing any level of discomfort whatever.
Yes ................that seems like fair comment Zulu...As a mere grammar school boy .....with no inherent breeding (thank god).........I .....like many people........ feel that these anachronistic.....outdated institutions....should be of historical interest only.....and have no place in the world of today.
P.S.Zulu.....I 'am glad that your rear end..........seems to have escaped the worst excesses......of the public school system. ;) ;)
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Sorry Optimist, but to this tread I will repeat (to save typing it all again!!) what I stated yesterday on this subject:
"To start with Macmillan and Churchill were not born as great politicians and leaders of our country, but by operating in those circles developed as such. Cameron could well do the same, as Thatcher indeed did. Unknown, to well known , then greatness, is a development that no one can predict, in fact many predicted Churchill would be a disaster, and he came close to being so, but once the country needed him.......the rest his history.
As for "Eton toffs", Churchill went to Harrow, Macmillan to Eton as did Cameron. On the playing fields of those illustrious public schools future British victories and greatness were won. Cameron could, it is hoped, match the virtues gained at Eton and also become a great British leader.
So there is nothing wrong in our leaders being those that have gained from the best education in the world; what is wrong is that more children cannot enjoy such privilege! ;) ;) ;)"
I would also add that you have not fully digested the Eton web site Optimist, and in particular those numerous old Etonians that have given back bone and greatness to Great Britain:
http://www.etoncollege.com/FamousOEs.aspx
In regards to Churchill he was actually educated at Harrow, and was a liberal / conservative, following the old traditions of Whigs and Tories who in the nineteenth century were virtually one and the same. Although liberalism, under David Lloyd George (an old Etonian!), in the early twentieth century was opposite the Conservaties, Churchill a Conservative, had policies as did a number of Tories that were alligned with the Liberals. :y :y
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I seem to be getting.........a right good kicking here....from all the" Eton lovers".... ;D ;D ;D......Still it makes for an interesting thread.
As a member of the "great unwashed" proletariat....I shall battle on. ;) ;) ;)
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Yes ................that seems like fair comment Zulu...As a mere grammar school boy .....with no inherent breeding (thank god).........I .....like many people........ feel that these anachronistic.....outdated institutions....should be of historical interest only.....and have no place in the world of today.
P.S.Zulu.....I 'am glad that your rear end..........seems to have escaped the worst excesses......of the public school system. ;) ;)
;D ;D we may not agree in this matter Opti but I'm gratified to learn of your concern for the general health of my bottom :y
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I seem to be getting.........a right good kicking here....from all the" Eton lovers".... ;D ;D ;D......Still it makes for an interesting thread.
As a member of the "great unwashed" proletariat....I shall battle on. ;) ;) ;)
There you go then Optimist, something to help you on your battle march:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8VON8bIvEw[/media]
:D :D ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though. :y :y
;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though. :y :y
;D ;D ;D
I find her quite fetching I have to say :-* :-* :y
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Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though. :y :y
;D ;D ;D
I find her quite fetching I have to say :-* :-* :y
You will find her now on BBC's Question Time as I speak! ;) ;)
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Beware of Old Etonians?
How about beware of ........
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqLAqssQNA&feature=player_embedded[/media]
I'm saying nothing ;)
:o :o :o :o
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Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though. :y :y
;D ;D ;D
I find her quite fetching I have to say :-* :-* :y
If we are talking Labour Party babes Zulu......then 30 minutes with Caroline Flint.....would be acceptable. ::) ::) ::)
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Beware of Old Etonians?
How about beware of ........
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqLAqssQNA&feature=player_embedded[/media]
I'm saying nothing ;)
:o :o :o :o
Now that is weird.........Freemason?.
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I seem to be getting.........a right good kicking here....from all the" Eton lovers".... ;D ;D ;D......Still it makes for an interesting thread.
As a member of the "great unwashed" proletariat....I shall battle on. ;) ;) ;)
There you go then Optimist, something to help you on your battle march:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8VON8bIvEw[/media]
:D :D ;) ;) ;) ;)
I believe GB has rewritten the lyrics to that song........
The working class
can kiss my ass
Ive got old tony,s job at last. ;) ;D
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if i can stick up for Optimist here - on previous posts i've been shot down for suggesting that DC surrounds himself with Old Etonians, now, lets leave aside class issues, wealth issues, the priviledged, pampered and sheltered existence i believe anyone from Eton has experienced - leave that to one side OK.
What grates is that 14 members from one school? i dont care if its an inner city comprehensive or its Eton - it shows a shocking lack of diversity on DC's part, is he unable to trust someone not of his ilk? Shows a real lack of judgement if you ask me, its deeply unrepresentative of the UK, maybe it'll be his downfall - DC has always struck me as a political coward, by surrounding himself in a nice, cosy Old Etonian blanket it looks like he's afraid to tackle any real issues or have anyone outside his narrow worldview to disagree with him.
Thats what it looks like to me anyway ::)
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One education problem is that in the past Labour virtually destroyed the grammar system >:(
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if i can stick up for Optimist here - on previous posts i've been shot down for suggesting that DC surrounds himself with Old Etonians, now, lets leave aside class issues, wealth issues, the priviledged, pampered and sheltered existence i believe anyone from Eton has experienced - leave that to one side OK.
What grates is that 14 members from one school? i dont care if its an inner city comprehensive or its Eton - it shows a shocking lack of diversity on DC's part, is he unable to trust someone not of his ilk? Shows a real lack of judgement if you ask me, its deeply unrepresentative of the UK, maybe it'll be his downfall - DC has always struck me as a political coward, by surrounding himself in a nice, cosy Old Etonian blanket it looks like he's afraid to tackle any real issues or have anyone outside his narrow worldview to disagree with him.
Thats what it looks like to me anyway ::)
...surely the problem rests with DC and not with the educational establishment in that case bj?
I'll say again that I'm far from convinced in the potential of the Tory front bench to form a cohesive, meaningful administration but in my view, that's down to a lack of political ability rather than how and where the individuals hoping to form such an administration were educated.
There seems to be an antipathy towards the great institutions of this nation, perhaps that's why we're in the mess we presently find ourselves. Leaderless, careless, concerned solely for one’s self rather than the nation and our fellow citizens, prepared to accept second best because it’s easier to digest having been served up in bite sized pieces by a supine media.
Much has been said in other threads about balance and understanding, but where matters of establishment and convention are concerned it seems that what is not understood is considered to be anachronistic and ill placed to have any form of relevance in today’s world - a world, I may add, that seems to have accepted the dilution of basic manners and respect for anything outside the narrow prejudicial perspective of those who have embraced such traits.
I would add these comments are made in general terms and not levelled at anyone in particular.
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if i can stick up for Optimist here - on previous posts i've been shot down for suggesting that DC surrounds himself with Old Etonians, now, lets leave aside class issues, wealth issues, the priviledged, pampered and sheltered existence i believe anyone from Eton has experienced - leave that to one side OK.
What grates is that 14 members from one school? i dont care if its an inner city comprehensive or its Eton - it shows a shocking lack of diversity on DC's part, is he unable to trust someone not of his ilk? Shows a real lack of judgement if you ask me, its deeply unrepresentative of the UK, maybe it'll be his downfall - DC has always struck me as a political coward, by surrounding himself in a nice, cosy Old Etonian blanket it looks like he's afraid to tackle any real issues or have anyone outside his narrow worldview to disagree with him.
Thats what it looks like to me anyway ::)
Yes, BJ, that's a very valid point. I took issue with Optimist banging on about the Etonian education bit, but I fully agree that it is unhealthy to have so many individuals with that common background. It smacks of a club, almost like a secret society....
And for what it's worth, I'd find it difficult to vote for DC were there to be an election tomorrow. I need to be convinced in the same way that I'm convinced that Labour should be ousted from office...for a long time. >:(
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if i can stick up for Optimist here - on previous posts i've been shot down for suggesting that DC surrounds himself with Old Etonians, now, lets leave aside class issues, wealth issues, the priviledged, pampered and sheltered existence i believe anyone from Eton has experienced - leave that to one side OK.
What grates is that 14 members from one school? i dont care if its an inner city comprehensive or its Eton - it shows a shocking lack of diversity on DC's part, is he unable to trust someone not of his ilk? Shows a real lack of judgement if you ask me, its deeply unrepresentative of the UK, maybe it'll be his downfall - DC has always struck me as a political coward, by surrounding himself in a nice, cosy Old Etonian blanket it looks like he's afraid to tackle any real issues or have anyone outside his narrow worldview to disagree with him.
Thats what it looks like to me anyway ::)
Yes, BJ, that's a very valid point. I took issue with Optimist banging on about the Etonian education bit, but I fully agree that it is unhealthy to have so many individuals with that common background. It smacks of a club, almost like a secret society....
And for what it's worth, I'd find it difficult to vote for DC were there to be an election tomorrow. I need to be convinced in the same way that I'm convinced that Labour should be ousted from office...for a long time. >:(
What realistic choice do we have though?
Seems like a decent bloke, but how will he manage as leader?
I also think Osborn is not best choice for Chancellor - I think they should get the shadow business one onto that job
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So New Labour may well be finished...................but consider this.
Apparently..................fourteen of David Camerons front bench spokesmen............are Old Etonians.....and another three work in his private office. >:( >:( >:( >:(
some of these inept.....incompetent.......pompous.....inbred....Tory buffoons......date back as far as the Thatcher era. :-/ :-/ :-/
Now I'am not a big fan of New Labour..(they have flattered to deceive)...............but I fail to see how a gathering of "sore bottomed" public school boys. ::) ::)...could be of any help to the average man in the street......................Unless they are wealthy ......of course.
This is an interesting....if lengthy read :y :y :y
ftp://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-band-of-etonian-brothers-449043.html
Opti, whilst I find your comments in general to considered, balanced and entertaining, I'm afraid that the above seems rather too judgemental in the absence of definitive evidence.
These comments are quite generalised and unfortunately appear to be based on the prejudice of a system you’re not quite comfortable with.
The Public school system, inter alia, is an essential element of this nation’s establishment, an element that has helped us to maintain our national identity through the generations and many challenging times. To decry the individuals who have been fortunate enough to have attended such establishments as ‘sore bottomed inbreeds’ is crass to say the least.
This nation needs an establishment to balance the shortcomings and cyclical nature of the political system. Public schools, the Great universities, the Security Services, the Senior Civil Service – at least at one time – along with other groups provide this continuity. I, as part of this establishment, consider my contribution along with that of many others, to have been worthwhile and necessary to maintain who we are as a people, free and intelligent enough to decide whether or nor we are being manipulated by a soulless and incestuous political class.
In closing I can assure you that I’m not inbred nor is my bottom experiencing any level of discomfort whatever.
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The reason I mentioned the Eton connection..........is this..........My understanding is that there would be more "Old Etonians".............in a David Cameron Conservative government than at any time since the Tory administration of ADH.....in the early sixties.
As BJ rightly pointed out ...........it is not good to have a monopoly of any kind of people in government .......we need diversity........such as we have in ordinary people. :y :y :y :y
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The reason I mentioned the Eton connection..........is this..........My understanding is that there would be more "Old Etonians".............in a David Cameron Conservative government than at any time since the Tory administration of ADH.....in the early sixties.
As BJ rightly pointed out ...........it is not good to have a monopoly of any kind of people in government .......we need diversity........such as we have in ordinary people. :y :y :y :y
I can agree with that.
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The reason I mentioned the Eton connection..........is this..........My understanding is that there would be more "Old Etonians".............in a David Cameron Conservative government than at any time since the Tory administration of ADH.....in the early sixties.
As BJ rightly pointed out ...........it is not good to have a monopoly of any kind of people in government .......we need diversity........such as we have in ordinary people. :y :y :y :y
I can agree with that.
Me, too. :y
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I enjoyed my time at Eaton!