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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 26 September 2009, 22:28:56
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Two bits I have stumbled across which may be of interest to those with children currently in school:
1. From James Bartholomew:
"Last night I went to a school to learn about the 'A' levels that one of my children might do. It was a grim reminder of how central government now dominates education and damages it.
I was told that not one of the examining boards for French 'A' level now sets a single piece of French literature. The students will not read a single French book or play. Instead they will go through a textbook which includes one chapter on literature and three on the environment. This is a sick cocktail of philistinism and eco-propaganda."
http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/archives/2009/09/no_literature_i.php
2. From Bishop Hill:
"By coincidence, I was also in school this week to hear about a new curriculum - this time the "Curriculum for Excellence" (CfE), which will be the basis of my children's education....
A "high-quality, values-based education" sounds interesting - promising even - until one asks "whose values?". What do they mean when they say they want to "prepare children for living in the global community"? Or when they stress the importance of "developing political sensitivity" (I kid you not)?
I spent the coffee break looking at the sample text books helpfully provided for the occasion. The subject matter was pretty much predictable - climate change, more climate change, recycling, fair trade and then more climate change."
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/26/curriculum-for-environmentalists.html#comments
I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, but I sincerely believe that our children are being systematically brainwashed, and I believe that those who do think I'm boring will get a big wake-up call in a few years, unless something is done.
I want good old-fashioned learning, not this eco-cack.
I do not want my kids to be brainwashed. >:( >:(
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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, .....
Quite the opposite Nick :y
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Two bits I have stumbled across which may be of interest to those with children currently in school:
1. From James Bartholomew:
"Last night I went to a school to learn about the 'A' levels that one of my children might do. It was a grim reminder of how central government now dominates education and damages it.
I was told that not one of the examining boards for French 'A' level now sets a single piece of French literature. The students will not read a single French book or play. Instead they will go through a textbook which includes one chapter on literature and three on the environment. This is a sick cocktail of philistinism and eco-propaganda."
http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/archives/2009/09/no_literature_i.php
2. From Bishop Hill:
"By coincidence, I was also in school this week to hear about a new curriculum - this time the "Curriculum for Excellence" (CfE), which will be the basis of my children's education....
A "high-quality, values-based education" sounds interesting - promising even - until one asks "whose values?". What do they mean when they say they want to "prepare children for living in the global community"? Or when they stress the importance of "developing political sensitivity" (I kid you not)?
I spent the coffee break looking at the sample text books helpfully provided for the occasion. The subject matter was pretty much predictable - climate change, more climate change, recycling, fair trade and then more climate change."
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/26/curriculum-for-environmentalists.html#comments
I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, but I sincerely believe that our children are being systematically brainwashed, and I believe that those who do think I'm boring will get a big wake-up call in a few years, unless something is done.
I want good old-fashioned learning, not this eco-cack.
I do not want my kids to be brainwashed. >:( >:(
Unfortunatly Nickbat it has been going on for many years. Ask any young person why the rain forest is being cut down, there reply will be (if they listened at school) it so the US and the UK can have the hardwood. Now trying to buy hardwood in this country is quite difficult (just try)
The fortunate thing is the more the teachers try to brainwash the kids the less they will listen to them, the downside is of course they are loosing out in the education stakes with the rest of the world.
I have tried to drum into my kids the neccesity to speak another language, I get so frustrated with the school still trying to teach it as subject, ie writing it all down and copying off the "interactive white board".
Every parents evening I ask the language teacher how he/she learnt to speak English, you guessed it from imitating older people around them and practicing. and then writing it came later. so why can't they teach kids to learn a different language the same way ?
Sorry I am droning on now,
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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, .....
Quite the opposite Nick :y
Agreed, I may not reply to many of them but I do generally like to be kept informed of this kind of thing. And you do a good job of that. :y
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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, .....
Quite the opposite Nick :y
Agreed, I may not reply to many of them but I do generally like to be kept informed of this kind of thing. And you do a good job of that. :y
seconded.. :y
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Thirded :y
This brainwashing on climate change political correctnes etc,etc,is sick and disgusting imo,they obviously studied Moa at uni in the 60,s and are now applying the techniques on todays schoolkids. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Thanks to those who have supported my postings. :y
It's good to know that I'm not boring you all!! ;)
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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, .....
Quite the opposite Nick :y
Agreed, I may not reply to many of them but I do generally like to be kept informed of this kind of thing. And you do a good job of that. :y
seconded.. :y
And thirded..... :y
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should be fourthded vamps,I already thirded, :P ;D ;D
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should be fourthded vamps,I already thirded, :P ;D ;D
Well I will type faster next time then.... :P :P :D
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It's naked propaganda of course and the sooner people realize it the better.
What more accomplished way is there too prepare for the New World Order than interfering with impressionable minds.
In case there was any doubt that a NWO is on the agenda;
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8fc9df9c-a991-11de-a3ce-00144feabdc0.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/financeeconomyg20forexuschina
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
I don't think many people actually deny that climat change occurs, I think a lot of people disagree about wether it is man-made change or a natural planet change. Yes todays kids will probably have to deal with it more than we will, but surely they need the facts not fiction as spouted by some of the scientific community.
I can still remember being told in school in the 1970s that we are headed towards the next ice age, where they wrong then ? are they wrong now ? Personally I don't no the answer, and more importantly I don't think the scientists really have any idea what is going on with climate change, except they no they can make money from it.
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then?
Children must be exposed to a wide range of subjects and there is no doubt that the change in the planets climate is worthy of attention.
I feel the problem here is that this particular subject is being approached from a judgemental - almost evangelical - viewpoint. It seems that deviators will not be tolerated and this appears to form part of the message being driven into impressionable minds. If that's not propaganda, I don’t know what is. Where is the balance and considered debate?
Inform, as part as a relevant curriculum by all means, but don't try and subsume the minds of children to hammer home the message, which in this case, isn't by any means clear. Is this propaganda acceptable in your view because it seems to gel with the current, if flawed, thinking? Everyone’s on board so it must be all right?
If that's the case children taught along these lines will never be able to think on an independent basis and will be inclined to look to officialdom for the answers they need. The net result of that is of course a populace totally dependent on the state to make decisions on their behalf, a populace incapable or afraid to challenge the accepted word. Look to recent history for examples of this.
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view
There is a vast difference between theoretical and practical science. It does seem that the climate is experiencing change but the reasons for that change are by no means definitive.
I think it's fundamentally flawed thinking to base this change entirely on human activity and by extrapolation, believe that we as a race can alter this change by the narrow criteria presently being considered. How arrogant of some to believe that the planets atmospheric conditions and global temperature range can be altered at will.
That is flawed thinking in my view and it forms the basis of the propaganda presently being formulated for dissemination into the educational curriculum.
If that’s not worthy of concern, I don’t know what is.
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Thanks to those who have supported my postings. :y
It's good to know that I'm not boring you all!! ;)
You will never bore me Nick, and your posts are so good and to the point that I so often find that there is liitle else I can add from the historical or political point of view :y :y :y :y :y :y
Although children may be going through this brain washing on the environment, I can give some ray of hope by making it clear that for those who succeed in making it to university they will enter an environment of constant questioining of the percieved and imaginary "facts" of the political world. They will soon find that nothing should be accepted as it stands, and in depth questions must be asked of the subject in hand. The flaws of the environmental debate are soon overshadowed and overwhelmed by the greater picture of political and scientific debate that often reveals the real situation.
You may well be shouting at me "well that is all well and good Liz at uni level, but what about primary and secondary school children?" I will answer that the future teachers of those children are now being qualified at uni with the latest facts on their minds, without central political influence, and as always what is independantly established at universities and other scientific establishments in time reaches down to the young in schools, regardless of the government in power.
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
If you're talking about man-made catastrophic climate change then you're flat wrong. The climate changes naturally, and has done since the dawn of time.
One of the key issues is the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere. Most scientific studies have shown it to be below 10 years. The IPCC choose to think it's 100 years. Why would that be, I wonder? ::) ::)
Don't believe me?
Check it here:
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/09/ipcc-outlier-as-usual.html
Incidentally, I have known about this for a long time. It's not just something I picked up by accident on the web.
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Lizzie, thanks for your kind words and support! :y :y
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring ;) )
I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all :y :y
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring ;) )
I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all :y :y
I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
....science is a constantly changing discipline Optio where 'proof' is a transient notion. Proof as it stands, on any subject, will always be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ until the results of the next research project.
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties..
I wouldn't suggest that at all, climate change does exist and human activity has impinged on the planetary climate balance to some extent without doubt, however to suggest that this change is a sole result of human activity and that we can fundamentally alter its effects, is flawed reasoning.
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring ;) )
I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all :y :y
I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
....science is a constantly changing discipline Optio where 'proof' is a transient notion. Proof as it stands, on any subject, will always be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ until the results of the next research project.
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties..
I wouldn't suggest that at all, climate change does exist and human activity has impinged on the planetary climate balance to some extent without doubt, however to suggest that this change is a sole result of human activity and that we can fundamentally alter its effects, is flawed reasoning.
Yep.....As Nickbat has suggested............."Mother Earth"................has .....for millons/billions of years had it's own natural .....warming/cooling periods.
But since the industrial revolution we have been adding....more co2......than perhaps even "mother Earth can deal with........We should not be complacent. :y
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring ;) )
I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all :y :y
No, a thousand times no. Is NOT proven!.
If it is proven:
Why would Vincent Gray, an Expert Reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for eighteen years say:
"The [IPCC] science is selected, distorted, and occasionally fabricated to support this view, and to downplay or marginalise any other climate influences."
...and why would he call climate models worthless?
http://www.theclimatescam.com/2008/04/22/the-climate-models-are-worthless-interview-with-dr-vincent-gray/
Why then does Will Alexander, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, say?
“I believe that global warming is the biggest scientific scam ever. There is no evidence to prove that the current climate variations are not a natural cycle.”
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1724
Why then does Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from the department of Earth sciences, Carleton University Ottawa, say?
"Climate change is not caused by humans, but by natural forces"
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2008/11/17/7433876-sun.html
Why then does Dr. James Koermer, a meteorology professor at Plymouth State University say:
"...while humans do have an impact on the climate, it is minimal compared to natural phenomena."
http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081120/GJNEWS02/711203981/-1/CITNEWS08
and why does Dennis Hollars, who holds a doctorate in astrophysics from New Mexico State University, say?:
"What I'd do with the IPCC report is to put it in the trash can because that's all it's worth,"
http://www.thespartandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=a7e928ef-4cf6-404f-ab08-ffbe8f8058b1
I have loads more, but I hope that this should prompt you to rethink your view that the science is settled. :y
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Yep.....As Nickbat has suggested............."Mother Earth"................has .....for millons/billions of years had it's own natural .....warming/cooling periods.
But since the industrial revolution we have been adding....more co2......than perhaps even "mother Earth can deal with........We should not be complacent. :y
...that is a very important point Optio, we ignore this matter at our peril but it must be considered from the perspective of balance and not fervour.
There is no sense at all in being complacent with whatever resources remain for our use - to be so is to be careless and unthinking.
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you're boring me Nickbat ;D
only joking - you're never dull i'll say that
would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?
now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism! ;D
flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely :y
Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring ;) )
I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)
The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all :y :y
No, a thousand times no. Is NOT proven!.
If it is proven:
Why would Vincent Gray, an Expert Reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for eighteen years say:
"The [IPCC] science is selected, distorted, and occasionally fabricated to support this view, and to downplay or marginalise any other climate influences."
...and why would he call climate models worthless?
http://www.theclimatescam.com/2008/04/22/the-climate-models-are-worthless-interview-with-dr-vincent-gray/
Why then does Will Alexander, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, say?
“I believe that global warming is the biggest scientific scam ever. There is no evidence to prove that the current climate variations are not a natural cycle.”
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1724
Why then does Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from the department of Earth sciences, Carleton University Ottawa, say?
"Climate change is not caused by humans, but by natural forces"
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2008/11/17/7433876-sun.html
Why then does Dr. James Koermer, a meteorology professor at Plymouth State University say:
"...while humans do have an impact on the climate, it is minimal compared to natural phenomena."
http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081120/GJNEWS02/711203981/-1/CITNEWS08
and why does Dennis Hollars, who holds a doctorate in astrophysics from New Mexico State University, say?:
"What I'd do with the IPCC report is to put it in the trash can because that's all it's worth,"
http://www.thespartandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=a7e928ef-4cf6-404f-ab08-ffbe8f8058b1
I have loads more, but I hope that this should prompt you to rethink your view that the science is settled. :y
You disagree.............I'am shocked ::) ;)
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Today's news: ;)
"In a detailed study of the mechanisms and effects of water vapor, to be published in Reviews of Geophysics, Tapio Schneider and Xavier Levine of the California Institute of Technology, and Paul A. O’Gorman of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have expanded our knowledge of water's role in climate regulation while showing just how poorly understood the Earth climate system really is...."
"If something as seemingly simple as water vapor can have such complex and bewildering impacts on Earth's climate why does the IPCC and the climate crisis crowd continue to insist that all fault lies with CO2? It could be that even they realize that blaming global warming on water vapor would give them no political leverage."
http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/climate-models-blown-away-water-vapor
AND
"..what is really curious is that the 9-year change in radiative forcing (warming influence) of the system seen in the last two figures is at least TWICE that expected from the carbon dioxide component alone, and yet essentially no warming has occurred over that period (see first illustration above). How could this be, if the climate system is as sensitive as the IPCC claims it to be?[/b]"
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/09/the-2007-2008-global-cooling-event-evidence-for-clouds-as-the-cause/
Yep, sure looks like the science is settled. ;) ;D ;D
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and also in today's news:
"BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Aviation and shipping should cut their respective carbon dioxide emissions to 10 and 20 percent below 2005 levels over the next decade, the European Union is likely to propose at global climate talks this week.
EU diplomats said the cuts might be linked to a tax on fuel to generate billions of dollars of revenues to help poor countries cope with climate change -- a key contribution to finding a global climate deal by December."
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BusinessofGreen/idUSTRE58Q0YS20090927?sp=true
Global redistribution of wealth based on junk science?
Nah! Must be my imagination. ;) ;) >:(
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Mother-nature will decide on what happens.
So as guests of the planet we should respect our host.
And if nature indicates that human kind will be wiped out by nature itself or it own self-deluding, then so be it.
Clocks ticking.......... And to be honest, I couldn't give a S**t if the human race time is up. We've come about as far as we can on the evolutional table. Find it strange that the table shows human race changing so many times on the scale of time, then for millions of years we've been the same, everything has it's day. And everything has a time when it has to die - natural extintion !.
Tick... tick.... tick.. :exclamation
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Back to the original topic. Great example of dumbing down and king has got no clothes on.
More and more kids get better and better school results each year. Everyone involved pats themselves on the back (and gets paid more money) for doing such a great job. Yet in my experience most cannot spell or do mental maths when they leave skool.
If you do have bright kids in school and they can choose to learn one or more languages get them to learn Chinese and Spanish in that order. The world would then be their oyster. Forget French and German.
V
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Thanks to those who have supported my postings. :y
It's good to know that I'm not boring you all!! ;)
i read them nick with interest, i just dont like putting my political views on public display as i would probably cause offence to members on here. as previous threads have caused so many rows with disagreements.