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"I want every child to have the chances I had"
thats certainly going to stretch the education budget DC - have you spoken to George over this? ;D ;D
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
No, just the UK's. :(
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
No but they like spending money we haven't got
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
No, just the UK's. :(
sorry, here was me thinking it was a global recession - as far as i could make out, the tories would have been utterly clueless in dealing with it - i'm not a labour voter but i'm glad GB was at the helm when it hit - he seemed to be one of the few world leaders who realised the implications and came up with a plan - the tories clearly were either clueless (against the NR bailout) or completely unaware of the seriousness of the problem (more likely)
but i think the country will vote tory (well, the southern section anyway) as people like change for changes sake - its cyclical - the tories seem unsure of what theyre policies are or where they stand on europe, they're a shambles - but they'll get elected..............good luck ;)
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did DC just say he worked in business for 7 years and knows the problems? ;D ;D
doing what? PR for a failed TV network - hardcore :y
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
No, just the UK's. :(
sorry, here was me thinking it was a global recession - as far as i could make out, the tories would have been utterly clueless in dealing with it - i'm not a labour voter but i'm glad GB was at the helm when it hit - he seemed to be one of the few world leaders who realised the implications and came up with a plan - the tories clearly were either clueless (against the NR bailout) or completely unaware of the seriousness of the problem (more likely)
but i think the country will vote tory (well, the southern section anyway) as people like change for changes sake - its cyclical - the tories seem unsure of what theyre policies are or where they stand on europe, they're a shambles - but they'll get elected..............good luck ;)
I seem to recall GB flogged off our gold at rock bottom prices and then proceeded to expand the civil service at an abhorrent rate. I'm sure there are more examples, but I'm in a rush right now.
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
No, just the UK's. :(
sorry, here was me thinking it was a global recession - as far as i could make out, the tories would have been utterly clueless in dealing with it - i'm not a labour voter but i'm glad GB was at the helm when it hit - he seemed to be one of the few world leaders who realised the implications and came up with a plan - the tories clearly were either clueless (against the NR bailout) or completely unaware of the seriousness of the problem (more likely)
but i think the country will vote tory (well, the southern section anyway) as people like change for changes sake - its cyclical - the tories seem unsure of what theyre policies are or where they stand on europe, they're a shambles - but they'll get elected..............good luck ;)
I seem to recall GB flogged off our gold at rock bottom prices and then proceeded to expand the civil service at an abhorrent rate. I'm sure there are more examples, but I'm in a rush right now.
thats a fair point 8-)
see you later Nick - i should really be working too....one more cuppa and i'll crack on :y
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]"I want every child to have the chances I had"[/highlight]
thats certainly going to stretch the education budget DC - have you spoken to George over this? ;D ;D
Is that not a reasonable aspiration bj?
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
....does this not mean the debt to which each and every one of us will be liable, in the years to come, as a result of their failed economic polices and poor management?
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DC reminded me of Tony Blair.....in 1996...the year before the election.....
Similar age........similar wealthy........ public school background......both good orators.....although Blair had more passion........and both Conservatives. :) :) ;)
P.S..............I should add that I would prefer David Camerons ' wife .......rather than Cherie Blair......should I be given the choice. ::) ::) ::)
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DC wants to cut public spending?
In the middle of a recession :-?
He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance ;D
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DC reminded me of Tony Blair.....in 1996...the year before the election.....
Similar age........similar wealthy........ public school background......both good orators.....although Blair had more passion........and both Conservatives. :) :) ;)
P.S..............I should add that I would prefer David Camerons ' wife .......rather than Cherie Blair......should I be given the choice. ::) ::) ::)
he is a Blair-lite - smooth and full of promises, luckily Blair had Brown as chancellor so got to deliver on most of them - DC doesn't have that luxury - no one outside the tory party faithfull believe Georgie O is up to the job I'm afraid - especially and crucially the city :o
DC did make some good points about the nanny-state and responsibility although using the tragic death of his son for political gain was at best unfortunate and crass - certainly left a bad taste, everyone knows the story so why bring it up? if you went for a job interview (which is what this is in effect) you wouldn't dredge up past tragedies too appear more human-bad taste and i'll bet he thought long and hard about it - made the wrong call in my opinion.
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DC wants to cut public spending?
In the middle of a recession :-?
He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance ;D
Of course it has to be cut!!! Public spending doesn't generate any wealth for the country, it merely sucks productive money out of the system through taxes and regurgitates it. We need enterprise to pick up. We should be cutting taxes, both corporate and personal and kick starting ethe economy. That's the economic answer. The uneconomic answer is to raise taxes and throw more at the public sector to buy votes....but it won't buy time. Sooner or later the hard facts must be faced. DC looks like he's doing that.
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keeps referring to "Labours debt"
so Labour almost brought down the entire world economy?
No, just the UK's. :(
sorry, here was me thinking it was a global recession - as far as i could make out, the tories would have been utterly clueless in dealing with it - i'm not a labour voter but i'm glad GB was at the helm when it hit - he seemed to be one of the few world leaders who realised the implications and came up with a plan - the tories clearly were either clueless (against the NR bailout) or completely unaware of the seriousness of the problem (more likely)
but i think the country will vote tory (well, the southern section anyway) as people like change for changes sake - its cyclical - the tories seem unsure of what theyre policies are or where they stand on europe, they're a shambles - but they'll get elected..............good luck ;)
was a global recession
...it was and is bj :y
as i could make out, the tories would have been utterly clueless in dealing with it
...that's a fair old statement to make in the absence of your having a detailed insight into their take on the matter :y
but i'm glad GB was at the helm when it hit - he seemed to be one of the few world leaders who realised the implications and came up with a plan
....you may well rue the desire for that gratitude when the full cost of his 'plan' becomes clear ;) ;)
the tories clearly were either clueless (against the NR bailout) or completely unaware of the seriousness of the problem (more likely)
...but they were not in government bj - how could they have been expected to have had intimate knowledge of the economic standing of both the institutions involved and the nation?
On the other hand GB, as Premier and former Chancellor, had been in power for nearly 12 years up to that point and he didn't see it coming - what does that tell you about his stewardship of the nation's economy?
as people like change for changes sake - its cyclical
...are you sure about that bj? - I have a feeling that people will vote for change because they're fed up with failed government and national chaos ;) ;)
good luck
..we'll need much more than that irrespective of whomever forms the next government :( :(
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DC reminded me of Tony Blair.....in 1996...the year before the election.....
Similar age........similar wealthy........ public school background......both good orators.....although Blair had more passion........and both Conservatives. :) :) ;)
P.S..............I should add that I would prefer David Camerons ' wife .......rather than Cherie Blair......should I be given the choice. ::) ::) ::)
he is a Blair-lite - smooth and full of promises, luckily Blair had Brown as chancellor so got to deliver on most of them - DC doesn't have that luxury - no one outside the tory party faithfull believe Georgie O is up to the job I'm afraid - especially and crucially the city :o
DC did make some good points about the nanny-state and responsibility although using the tragic death of his son for political gain was at best unfortunate and crass - certainly left a bad taste, everyone knows the story so why bring it up? if you went for a job interview (which is what this is in effect) you wouldn't dredge up past tragedies too appear more human-bad taste and i'll bet he thought long and hard about it - made the wrong call in my opinion.
Agreed..........he does seem out of his depth.......he appears to be an intellectual lightweight............. and too frivalous for such an important post.......especially when you compare him to the dour penny pinching presbyterian Gordon Brown. ::) ::) ::)
Gordon Brown far better as Chancellor than P.M. in my view. :-/ :-/
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DC wants to cut public spending?
In the middle of a recession :-?
He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance ;D
DC wants to cut public spending?
...how can you spend what isn't there bj?
The true cost of Brown's mishandling of the economy will impinge upon all our collective pockets in due course but the real cost of the 'quantitive easing' policy - spending what we don't have - will prove to be a much thornier issue to deal with :( :(
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Agreed..........he does seem out of his depth.......he appears to be an intellectual lightweight............. and too frivalous for such an important post.......especially when you compare him to the dour penny pinching presbyterian Gordon Brown. ::) ::) ::)
Gordon Brown far better as Chancellor than P.M. in my view. :-/ :-/
he appears to be an intellectual lightweight............. and too frivalous for such an important post.
...only time will tell that Optio - but surely that's a judgement best made when we are able to see how he performs ;) ;)
presbyterian
...being a dour Presbyterian Ulster/Scot, I can tell you that fact isn't to anyone's advantage ;)
Gordon Brown far better as Chancellor
...so good in fact, Optio, the nation's on its economic arse and will be for the forseeable future :y :y
penny pinching .............Gordon Brown
....indeed so Optio and he's certainly pinched plenty of our pennies - what? ;D ;D
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IIrc Gormless has spoken at every opportunity about his son,Imo its wrong for either of them to do it.
I hope you still think he was a great chancellor when you start drawing your pension - he stole it years ago.
I think Cameron is too wishy washy and left wing tbh,but without doubt the lessser of 2 evils.
I cannot understand anyone who works for a living (or who wants to) having anything good to say about Brown.
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IIrc Gormless has spoken at every opportunity about his son,Imo its wrong for either of them to do it.
I hope you still think he was a great chancellor when you start drawing your pension - he stole it years ago.
I think Cameron is too wishy washy and left wing tbh,but without doubt the lessser of 2 evils.
I cannot understand anyone who works for a living (or who wants to) having anything good to say about Brown.
Like an old fashioned "one nation Tory" ....in some respects. ;)
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"The dangers of climate change are stark and very real. If we don't act now, and act quickly, we could face disaster."
Sorry! Change of mind, lads. :-[
DC is a bit of a thick pillock :(
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In some respects possibly,but he has the modern political disease - style more important than substance (although he hasnt got the staggering level of insincerity that Bliar had)and is very timid about being British and standing up for Britishness.imo.
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"The dangers of climate change are stark and very real. If we don't act now, and act quickly, we could face disaster."
Sorry! Change of mind, lads. :-[
DC is a bit of a thick pillock :(
TBH Nick,I think it would ruin his career if he said anything much different,so many people are so convinced it will be a long slow process to turn back the tide.Definetely a case of whoever would weild that particular sword would never wear the crown.In fact the way things are today they could well end up wearing a strait jacket. :(
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DC wants to cut public spending?
In the middle of a recession :-?
He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance ;D
DC wants to cut public spending?
...how can you spend what isn't there bj?
The true cost of Brown's mishandling of the economy will impinge upon all our collective pockets in due course but the real cost of the 'quantitive easing' policy - spending what we don't have - will prove to be a much thornier issue to deal with :( :(
without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under :o
the last thing you do is cut public spending - even that right wing conspiracy fruitcake hoover realised that in the 30's in the states
i dont think DC is a bad person, he's certainly intelligent and appears compassionate - but appearing to act brave by cutting spending is exactly the opposite - he knows full well the general public will like the sound of it and he can spout off about "tough choices" and "people want the truth" all he likes - he's just playing to the crowd in my opinion.
yes, we're in masses of debt. yes Brown's light touch regulations certainly opened the floodgates to the unfettered greed of the city - brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet - what would DC have done differently? let the banks fail? he would almost certainly have left the city to its own devices, sure - now he says the Bof E should regain control - well, no S**t Sherlock :y
i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments - but give him a crack at it and we'll drag this thread up in a year to see how well he's doing 8-)
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DC reminded me of Tony Blair.....in 1996...the year before the election.....
Similar age........similar wealthy........ public school background......both good orators.....although Blair had more passion........and both Conservatives. :) :) ;)
P.S..............I should add that I would prefer David Camerons ' wife .......rather than Cherie Blair......should I be given the choice. ::) ::) ::)
he is a Blair-lite - smooth and full of promises, luckily Blair had Brown as chancellor so got to deliver on most of them - DC doesn't have that luxury - no one outside the tory party faithfull believe Georgie O is up to the job I'm afraid - especially and crucially the city :o
DC did make some good points about the nanny-state and responsibility although using the tragic death of his son for political gain was at best unfortunate and crass - certainly left a bad taste, everyone knows the story so why bring it up? if you went for a job interview (which is what this is in effect) you wouldn't dredge up past tragedies too appear more human-bad taste and i'll bet he thought long and hard about it - made the wrong call in my opinion.
Agreed..........he does seem out of his depth.......he appears to be an intellectual lightweight............. and too frivalous for such an important post.......especially when you compare him to the dour penny pinching presbyterian Gordon Brown. ::) ::) ::)
Gordon Brown far better as Chancellor than P.M. in my view. :-/ :-/
Sorry Optimist but you can call him many things perhaps, but you should never suggest he is an "intellectual lightweight" As I think most will know he was educated at Eton and then read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree!! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;)
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"The dangers of climate change are stark and very real. If we don't act now, and act quickly, we could face disaster."
Sorry! Change of mind, lads. :-[
DC is a bit of a thick pillock :(
TBH Nick,I think it would ruin his career if he said anything much different,so many people are so convinced it will be a long slow process to turn back the tide.Definetely a case of whoever would weild that particular sword would never wear the crown.In fact the way things are today they could well end up wearing a strait jacket. :(
I note what you say, but from what I can gather, there is a majority that do not buy into the scam.
Trouble is, he's advised by Zak Goldsmith...someone I would happily watch Bannjaax and Optimist rip to shreds. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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DC wants to cut public spending?
In the middle of a recession :-?
He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance ;D
DC wants to cut public spending?
...how can you spend what isn't there bj?
The true cost of Brown's mishandling of the economy will impinge upon all our collective pockets in due course but the real cost of the 'quantitive easing' policy - spending what we don't have - will prove to be a much thornier issue to deal with :( :(
without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under :o
the last thing you do is cut public spending - even that right wing conspiracy fruitcake hoover realised that in the 30's in the states
i dont think DC is a bad person, he's certainly intelligent and appears compassionate - but appearing to act brave by cutting spending is exactly the opposite - he knows full well the general public will like the sound of it and he can spout off about "tough choices" and "people want the truth" all he likes - he's just playing to the crowd in my opinion.
yes, we're in masses of debt. yes Brown's light touch regulations certainly opened the floodgates to the unfettered greed of the city - brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet - what would DC have done differently? let the banks fail? he would almost certainly have left the city to its own devices, sure - now he says the Bof E should regain control - well, no S**t Sherlock :y
i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments - but give him a crack at it and we'll drag this thread up in a year to see how well he's doing 8-)
And Labour were better? :o
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IIrc Gormless has spoken at every opportunity about his son,Imo its wrong for either of them to do it.
I hope you still think he was a great chancellor when you start drawing your pension - he stole it years ago.
I think Cameron is too wishy washy and left wing tbh,but without doubt the lessser of 2 evils.
I cannot understand anyone who works for a living (or who wants to) having anything good to say about Brown.
honestly albs - i don't recall Brown talking about it at all (his son has cyctic fibrosis) - it certainly never featured in any speeches
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"The dangers of climate change are stark and very real. If we don't act now, and act quickly, we could face disaster."
Sorry! Change of mind, lads. :-[
DC is a bit of a thick pillock :(
TBH Nick,I think it would ruin his career if he said anything much different,so many people are so convinced it will be a long slow process to turn back the tide.Definetely a case of whoever would weild that particular sword would never wear the crown.In fact the way things are today they could well end up wearing a strait jacket. :(
I note what you say, but from what I can gather, there is a majority that do not buy into the scam.
Trouble is, he's advised by Zak Goldsmith...someone I would happily watch Bannjaax and Optimist rip to shreds. ;) ;D ;D ;D
i'm a lover, not a fighter Nickbat ;D
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BJ - the difference between him and Gormless on this issue is that as recently as this summer Gormless was still denying that he would make any cuts,although recently leaked treasury documents have proved him to be a liar (again) as it was already decided that cuts of over 9% would have to be made very soon.Labour would make cuts in spending just the same as the Tories if re- elected ,but they will make cuts which punish the wealth creators and stifle enterprise,its in the Dna.
Nickbat - Goldsmith stated recently that if Cameron doesnt have climate change at the top of his agenda then he will stop supporting him,so I suppose he isnt going to start fighting that particular battle knowing he is very unlikely to win it.I dont suppose he actually believes in it any more than most of the current lot do,as I said,I really do believe that it will be a long term/slow burn remedy to that problem.What the majority of us believe on the subject isnt really the point.That would require a real democracy,and we are a long way from that.Its the chattering classes and the(new?) power brokers globally who are influencing this issue. ;)
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DC wants to cut public spending?
In the middle of a recession :-?
He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance ;D
DC wants to cut public spending?
...how can you spend what isn't there bj?
The true cost of Brown's mishandling of the economy will impinge upon all our collective pockets in due course but the real cost of the 'quantitive easing' policy - spending what we don't have - will prove to be a much thornier issue to deal with :( :(
without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under :o
the last thing you do is cut public spending - even that right wing conspiracy fruitcake hoover realised that in the 30's in the states
i dont think DC is a bad person, he's certainly intelligent and appears compassionate - but appearing to act brave by cutting spending is exactly the opposite - he knows full well the general public will like the sound of it and he can spout off about "tough choices" and "people want the truth" all he likes - he's just playing to the crowd in my opinion.
yes, we're in masses of debt. yes Brown's light touch regulations certainly opened the floodgates to the unfettered greed of the city - brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet - what would DC have done differently? let the banks fail? he would almost certainly have left the city to its own devices, sure - now he says the Bof E should regain control - well, no S**t Sherlock :y
i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments - but give him a crack at it and we'll drag this thread up in a year to see how well he's doing 8-)
And Labour were better? :o
we can't know for sure, but i'd imagine - based on what the tories were saying at this time last year that it was clear they had no grasp of what was happening.
of course there is an unfortunate tendency in our politics to simply attack the opposition regardless (witnessed beautifully when a tory Chris Grayling was yesterday asked about the appointment of Gen Dannatt as an adviser(to the tories), he thought he'd been appointed government adviser and tore into the decision saying it smacked of being a political gimmick) so maybe, had they been in power, smarter heads would have prevailed and they too would have avoided a depression - all i can go on is their words :o
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IIrc Gormless has spoken at every opportunity about his son,Imo its wrong for either of them to do it.
I hope you still think he was a great chancellor when you start drawing your pension - he stole it years ago.
I think Cameron is too wishy washy and left wing tbh,but without doubt the lessser of 2 evils.
I cannot understand anyone who works for a living (or who wants to) having anything good to say about Brown.
honestly albs - i don't recall Brown talking about it at all (his son has cyctic fibrosis) - it certainly never featured in any speeches
I have heard him speak on TV on the subject several times,I have also read more than one newspaper interview where he spoke on the subject.Its undignified for either of them to do it imo.
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DC reminded me of Tony Blair.....in 1996...the year before the election.....
Similar age........similar wealthy........ public school background......both good orators.....although Blair had more passion........and both Conservatives. :) :) ;)
P.S..............I should add that I would prefer David Camerons ' wife .......rather than Cherie Blair......should I be given the choice. ::) ::) ::)
he is a Blair-lite - smooth and full of promises, luckily Blair had Brown as chancellor so got to deliver on most of them - DC doesn't have that luxury - no one outside the tory party faithfull believe Georgie O is up to the job I'm afraid - especially and crucially the city :o
DC did make some good points about the nanny-state and responsibility although using the tragic death of his son for political gain was at best unfortunate and crass - certainly left a bad taste, everyone knows the story so why bring it up? if you went for a job interview (which is what this is in effect) you wouldn't dredge up past tragedies too appear more human-bad taste and i'll bet he thought long and hard about it - made the wrong call in my opinion.
Agreed..........he does seem out of his depth.......he appears to be an intellectual lightweight............. and too frivalous for such an important post.......especially when you compare him to the dour penny pinching presbyterian Gordon Brown. ::) ::) ::)
Gordon Brown far better as Chancellor than P.M. in my view. :-/ :-/
Sorry Optimist but you can call him many things perhaps, but you should never suggest he is an "intellectual lightweight" As I think most will know he was educated at Eton and then read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree!! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;)
I believe that my views about Eton . ::) ::) ::) ::).........are well documented Lizzie...........I personally believe that William Hague should be Tory leader again.......far more "in touch with reality" than Cameron or Osborne. :) :) ;) ;) ;) :y.
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I think they should have gone for David Davis myself - he grew up on a council estate with a single mother iirc,so maybe even Banjaxx and Optimist would vote for him. ::)
I was glad to see that we didnt have to witness the toe curling spectacle of Mrs C making a speech telling us all what a wonderful hero Dave is . ;) ;D
The bottom line is,he probably made the speech he needed to make to win the next election.Lets hope he turns out to have more principles and substance to him than he has shown so far - I have my doubts though.
Still UKIP for me . ;)
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I think they should have gone for David Davis myself - he grew up on a council estate with a single mother iirc,so maybe even Banjaxx and Optimist would vote for him. ::)
I was glad to see that we didnt have to witness the toe curling spectacle of Mrs C making a speech telling us all what a wonderful hero Dave is . ;) ;D
The bottom line is,he probably made the speech he needed to make to win the next election.Lets hope he turns out to have more principles and substance to him than he has shown so far - I have my doubts though.
Still UKIP for me . ;)
albs - always with the jokes ;D ;D ;D
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I must admit to being a bit surprised at how your criticism of the speech was quite civilised,I expected you to really rip into him,maybe your coming round the "right" way of thinking,just a wee bit to proud to admit it yet. :y ;D ;D
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I think they should have gone for David Davis myself - he grew up on a council estate with a single mother iirc,so maybe even Banjaxx and Optimist would vote for him. ::)
I was glad to see that we didnt have to witness the toe curling spectacle of Mrs C making a speech telling us all what a wonderful hero Dave is . ;) ;D
The bottom line is,he probably made the speech he needed to make to win the next election.Lets hope he turns out to have more principles and substance to him than he has shown so far - I have my doubts though.
Still UKIP for me . ;)
Only if his mother.......... had six children.........from six different fathers...........in assorted colours Albitz....then perhaps................. I would think about it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
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without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under :o
the last thing you do is cut public spending - even that right wing conspiracy fruitcake hoover realised that in the 30's in the states
i dont think DC is a bad person, he's certainly intelligent and appears compassionate - but appearing to act brave by cutting spending is exactly the opposite - he knows full well the general public will like the sound of it and he can spout off about "tough choices" and "people want the truth" all he likes - he's just playing to the crowd in my opinion.
yes, we're in masses of debt. yes Brown's light touch regulations certainly opened the floodgates to the unfettered greed of the city - brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet - what would DC have done differently? let the banks fail? he would almost certainly have left the city to its own devices, sure - now he says the Bof E should regain control - well, no S**t Sherlock :y
i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments - but give him a crack at it and we'll drag this thread up in a year to see how well he's doing 8-)
without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under :o
...all down to a lack of leadership at the heart of this present government and that very laxity, which has resulted in our spending money we don’t have, will haunt us for the foreseeable future. As to all of the banks going down, I'm not so sure
brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet
...this was one of many of GB's failings the primary one of which was total self-belief in his ability to control matters that had run wildly out of control.
GB doesn't exist in the real world in my view, he's a theorist more in touch with the ethereal nature of policy rather than its practicalities
i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments
...and with that lesson in history we should resolve never to have another Labour premier cross the threshold of Downing Street for a long time to come.
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A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me ;D
I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.
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A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me ;D
I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.
There are only 61 million in the UK, of which only about half(oops!) 45% are in a position to vote, and more than likely only 65% of them will do so!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me ;D
I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.
There are only 61 million in the UK, of which only about half(oops!) 45% are in a position to vote, and more than likely only 65% of them will do so!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Spot on Lizzie - I was in fact to be precise (according to 2008 govt. estimates) 8,056,088 out.
Your estimate of only 45% of pop. allowed to vote seems wide of the mark as only 22% of pop. is under 18 and not allowed to vote.
Anyway the point I was trying to make is that a growing percentage of the pop. is fed up with the 2 party system.
The best thing that can happen for this country, in the long term, is that at the next election there is a hung parliament and the lib-dems will hold the balance of power and will demand proportional representation and thus eventually we will have government by consensus :y
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A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me ;D
I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.
There are only 61 million in the UK, of which only about half(oops!) 45% are in a position to vote, and more than likely only 65% of them will do so!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Spot on Lizzie - I was in fact to be precise (according to 2008 govt. estimates) 8,056,088 out.
Your estimate of only 45% of pop. allowed to vote seems wide of the mark as only 22% of pop. is under 18 and not allowed to vote.
Anyway the point I was trying to make is that a growing percentage of the pop. is fed up with the 2 party system.
The best thing that can happen for this country, in the long term, is that at the next election there is a hung parliament and the lib-dems will hold the balance of power and will demand proportional representation and thus eventually we will have government by consensus :y
...are you sure about that MF? - be careful what you wish for ;)
In my experience PR results in a confused administration where minority parties attempt to punch above their weight but really only succeed in trying to make their presence relevant by prostituting their wares to the neediest client.
The LD's in my view are wholly unsuitable to hold this balance of power. The fact that they have never been able to form an administration speaks for itself - sadly.
Furthermore, the last thing this country needs is a hung parliament - the present situation requires an administration with clear cut ideas, and a working majority, of how to stabilise the nation - not a talking shop ;) ;)
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Wise words indeed from the man from the East Zulu. :y
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We need a no nonsense Government that will cut through all the crap, can anyone suggest anything better than a BNP Government, if so, why??
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We need a no nonsense Government that will cut through all the crap, can anyone suggest anything better than a BNP Government, if so, why??
Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Scottish Nats, Green Party, UKIP, Respect, Socialist Party, Monster Raving Loony Party - how's that for starters?
why?
so them being small minded, petty, vile racists isn't enough of a reason?? :o :o :o
ok - i don't believe most of them could form a sentence, let alone a government ;D
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We need a no nonsense Government that will cut through all the crap, can anyone suggest anything better than a BNP Government, if so, why??
Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Scottish Nats, Green Party, UKIP, Respect, Socialist Party, Monster Raving Loony Party - how's that for starters?
why?
so them being small minded, petty, vile racists isn't enough of a reason?? :o :o :o
ok - i don't believe most of them could form a sentence, let alone a government ;D
I walk with bj on this one M, there is a vast difference between having a clear cut idea of what needs to be done - and having the strength, determination and wisdom to apply that desire - and doing so in a way that doesn’t polarize the nation.
There are no binary issues in politics therefore matters demanding attention obviously need to be thought about in a considered pragmatic way, I don’t think the BNP have the depth or experience to do this. Had there been a simple solution to the many problems we now face the answers would have been obvious for all to see.
Although I detest the present administration, I am aware of how difficult it is to govern where national matters must take precedence over narrow local affairs and that whatever the intention, not everyone’s demands can be satisfied over the needs of the nation.
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We need a no nonsense Government that will cut through all the crap, can anyone suggest anything better than a BNP Government, if so, why??
Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Scottish Nats, Green Party, UKIP, Respect, Socialist Party, Monster Raving Loony Party - how's that for starters?
why?
so them being small minded, petty, vile racists isn't enough of a reason?? :o :o :o
ok - i don't believe most of them could form a sentence, let alone a government ;D
I can't believe I posted that, what was I thinking...... :-[ ::) ::) :-[