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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: richardirv on 16 October 2009, 08:54:17
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This has to be the luckiest baby ever. Absolutly shocking.
You'd think platforms would be angled so prams wouldn't roll that way.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Train-Hits-Babys-Pram-Boy-In-Ashburton-Melbourne-Australia-Survives-Rail-Collision/Article/200910315406924?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15406924_Train_Hits_Babys_Pram%3A_Boy_In_Ashburton%2C_Melbourne%2C_Australia%2C_Survives_Rail_Collision
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That little lad has nine lives. Very fortunate :) :)
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This has to be the luckiest baby ever. Absolutly shocking.
You'd think platforms would be angled so prams wouldn't roll that way.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Train-Hits-Babys-Pram-Boy-In-Ashburton-Melbourne-Australia-Survives-Rail-Collision/Article/200910315406924?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15406924_Train_Hits_Babys_Pram%3A_Boy_In_Ashburton%2C_Melbourne%2C_Australia%2C_Survives_Rail_Collision
agreed..
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This has to be the luckiest baby ever. Absolutly shocking.
You'd think platforms would be angled so prams wouldn't roll that way.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Train-Hits-Babys-Pram-Boy-In-Ashburton-Melbourne-Australia-Survives-Rail-Collision/Article/200910315406924?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15406924_Train_Hits_Babys_Pram%3A_Boy_In_Ashburton%2C_Melbourne%2C_Australia%2C_Survives_Rail_Collision
agreed..
Very stupid that they aren't when you think about it, especially after seeing that. Not even difficult to do just common sense!!
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prams come with brakes, why would they need to angle platforms?
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prams come with brakes, why would they need to angle platforms?
Yes they do but as we can see from the video some people can't be trusted with using the brakes on a pram. But every little helps. Why wouldn't you is the question really.
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another one in the news here....a girl drowned when dad let go, she rolled into the sea and died....he was busy snogging his girlfriend.
Parents need to look after their kids.
not everywhere can be flat, sloping the 'right' way.
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I know what you mean, parents do need to look after their kids but I just think were it can be done it should be done, especially in dangerous places like train platforms. :y
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prams come with brakes, why would they need to angle platforms?
assume that if the brakes fail at the moment..
and if you need to transport things with wheels.. etc etc..
at least a flat surface to do not that hard..
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i'm trying to decide, if she had more sensible footwear on, and not slipped, would she have reached the pram before it tipped over the edge?
Or, by the time she noticed, and had reached it, might have made it worse and got it caught between platform and train.
Lucky lad anyway. Phew.
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and think about cold seasons when the surface can be icy..
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
I know some. Though i'd like not to :(
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
I know some. Though i'd like not to :(
Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids. There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
I know some. Though i'd like not to :(
Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids. There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....
Thats a bit harsh isn't it, lets face it we all have our slack moments, its human nature, can't be perfect 100% of the time.
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
I know some. Though i'd like not to :(
Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids. There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....
Thats a bit harsh isn't it, lets face it we all have our slack moments, its human nature, can't be perfect 100% of the time.
I agree we all have our slack moments, but too many people have too many slack moments.
The kids walking to school for example, absolutely no idea that stepping in front of a car will bloody well hurt. A few of them need to be knocked down to remind them and their peers that they aren't always in the bubble wrap that modern day, trash tv, baby mags type parenting insists they are constantly wrapped in.
But no, instead lets ban cars - unless purely used to drive our lazy kids to school, so they will remain safe on the roads. Much easier than teaching them common bloody sense.
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
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Kids (& Parents) do need to be tought a lesson or 2 now and then I agree but I don't think they need to be knocked down or run over by a train to do it. There are other methods, granted not as good as it actually happening (if they survive) but I have hit a kid quite a few years ago in my 1995 Vectra (not my fault) and the emotions I went through when that happened were horrific and I would not wish it on anyone. The lad was lucky that my veccy was lowered 60mm and I braked that hard the front bumper hit the ground but as it was so low on impact he slid up the bonnet and the curved wing mirror pushed him off the side and he landed on some grass! he walked away but it could of been much worse if I was in a different car. I was shaking for days.
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Kids (& Parents) do need to be tought a lesson or 2 now and then I agree but I don't think they need to be knocked down or run over by a train to do it. There are other methods, granted not as good as it actually happening (if they survive) but I have hit a kid quite a few years ago in my 1995 Vectra (not my fault) and the emotions I went through when that happened were horrific and I would not wish it on anyone. The lad was lucky that my veccy was lowered 60mm and I braked that hard the front bumper hit the ground but as it was so low on impact he slid up the bonnet and the curved wing mirror pushed him off the side and he landed on some grass! he walked away but it could of been much worse if I was in a different car. I was shaking for days.
I too have knocked someone down at speed (>25 mph), hurt him an awful lot more than it hurt me. Lessons learned.
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Even many of the platforms around here - and our rail service isn't great - all slope away :y
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
I know some. Though i'd like not to :(
Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids. There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....
Thats a bit harsh isn't it, lets face it we all have our slack moments, its human nature, can't be perfect 100% of the time.
Prams have brakes.
Would you 'forget' to put your handbrake on in your car on a slight slope? And you child is far more valuable than your car (though admittedly your car can do more damage ;D)
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
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stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.
you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.
problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
You got to think about the other people that it effects, its ok saying don't spend any money on public safety but people will always do silly things that will effect other people in a massive way. Imagine how the train driver feel's. He just run over a baby, not his fault but it doesn't take away the emotions and mental issues.
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I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.
The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.
I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.
There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible. Sadly they seem to be increasing in number. As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. :(
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Part of the job, comes with the territory. Same as a traffic cop, hes going to see bits of people at some point.
We cant afford to spend silly money on trying to prevent corner case accidents!
The same could of happened on a hill on a street and the pram could have fallen in front of a lorry.
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I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.
The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.
I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.
There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible. Sadly they seem to be increasing in number. As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. :(
Which gets us back to the discussion from a few days ago of naural selection and I do wonder just how much of this is due to our stupid apporach to trying to avoid all dangers and risk.
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stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.
you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.
problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.
Better idea - brakes that are 'on' until you grab the handlebars to push.
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
You got to think about the other people that it effects, its ok saying don't spend any money on public safety but people will always do silly things that will effect other people in a massive way. Imagine how the train driver feel's. He just run over a baby, not his fault but it doesn't take away the emotions and mental issues.
And I think it's still the case that the train driver has to clean up the mess on the front? (Probably not for human, as that would need police).
So, the UK armed forces can only use blank bullets, as it may scar them to use live rounds.
Cars should be banned, as they can kill people. Trains also then banned incase some moron is stupid enough to play on the track?
Smoking should be entirely banned, as its harmful. Along with all forms of alcohol?
Not allowed out in sunshire due to skin cancer?
Kids not allowed to playgrounds because they could fall off swings and break limbs. Also, they are not allowed on their push bikes?
Electricity not allowed, its dangerous?
No. What we need is for people to take responsibility for their own actions. People will always jump in front of trains, whether intentionally or not. I guess train drivers have to prepare for that, and hopefully their organisation is able to assist when it does.
And I have heard someone get mowed down by a 50mph train, and glimpsed the aftermath (I was up a telegraph pole about 100yrds away). Horrid noise that I will remember to the day I die. I feel for the driver, and the authorities who had to clean up. In the same way I feel for our authorities you have to clear up after car smashes etc.
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stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.
you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.
problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.
Better idea - brakes that are 'on' until you grab the handlebars to push.
not always practical, esp when carrying shopping & another child etc, I'll stick to the tried and tested foot or handbrake cheers.
just about everything with wheels has had brakes for a long long time.
really nothing to fix imho.
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I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.
The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.
I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.
There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible. Sadly they seem to be increasing in number. As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. :(
Which gets us back to the discussion from a few days ago of naural selection and I do wonder just how much of this is due to our stupid apporach to trying to avoid all dangers and risk.
I may have missed that one but it sounds good. In our 'wisdom' a number of things in our society are becoming topsy-turvy. We have minorities that can tell the majority what to do - in a democracy!
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I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.
The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.
I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.
There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible. Sadly they seem to be increasing in number. As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. :(
Which gets us back to the discussion from a few days ago of naural selection and I do wonder just how much of this is due to our stupid apporach to trying to avoid all dangers and risk.
I was going to bring in evolutions age old process of 'survival of the fittest' (and death to the weakest - physically or mentally) but thought that may be too controversial, even for me ;D
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stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.
you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.
problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.
Better idea - brakes that are 'on' until you grab the handlebars to push.
not always practical, esp when carrying shopping & another child etc, I'll stick to the tried and tested foot or handbrake cheers.
just about everything with wheels has had brakes for a long long time.
really nothing to fix imho.
Your call. I have no doubt you can pull it off.
Another slant on this... God gave the child legs, we put it on wheels. We ought to do the job properly or not at all. :D
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I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.
The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.
I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.
There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible. Sadly they seem to be increasing in number. As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. :(
Which gets us back to the discussion from a few days ago of naural selection and I do wonder just how much of this is due to our stupid apporach to trying to avoid all dangers and risk.
I was going to bring in evolutions age old process of 'survival of the fittest' (and death to the weakest - physically or mentally) but thought that may be too controversial, even for me ;D
It seems a very convincing argument to me. It sounds idyllic too. However, what is 'the fittest'? That is a being that 'fits' its environment best for survival and that could be a hacker or the head of a financial institution!
The very thought sends shudders down my spine.
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This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
....agreed, and this tendency will be responsible for a nation of adult incompetents
Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
....exactly, it's about time that such individuals got what they deserved - a good kickup the arse - and told to be on their way.
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I was going to bring in evolutions age old process of 'survival of the fittest' (and death to the weakest - physically or mentally) but thought that may be too controversial, even for me ;D[/quote]
....that one was tried before - sadly.
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
You got to think about the other people that it effects, its ok saying don't spend any money on public safety but people will always do silly things that will effect other people in a massive way. Imagine how the train driver feel's. He just run over a baby, not his fault but it doesn't take away the emotions and mental issues.
And I think it's still the case that the train driver has to clean up the mess on the front? (Probably not for human, as that would need police).
So, the UK armed forces can only use blank bullets, as it may scar them to use live rounds.
Cars should be banned, as they can kill people. Trains also then banned incase some moron is stupid enough to play on the track?
Smoking should be entirely banned, as its harmful. Along with all forms of alcohol?
Not allowed out in sunshire due to skin cancer?
Kids not allowed to playgrounds because they could fall off swings and break limbs. Also, they are not allowed on their push bikes?
Electricity not allowed, its dangerous?
No. What we need is for people to take responsibility for their own actions. People will always jump in front of trains, whether intentionally or not. I guess train drivers have to prepare for that, and hopefully their organisation is able to assist when it does.
And I have heard someone get mowed down by a 50mph train, and glimpsed the aftermath (I was up a telegraph pole about 100yrds away). Horrid noise that I will remember to the day I die. I feel for the driver, and the authorities who had to clean up. In the same way I feel for our authorities you have to clear up after car smashes etc.
Knowone is saying this is what it needs to be like, but while were at it lets remove and seatbelts and airbags out of all cars because if were stupid enough to have crash we deserve to smash our heads on the windscreen, we would never crash again would we ;) ??
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
You got to think about the other people that it effects, its ok saying don't spend any money on public safety but people will always do silly things that will effect other people in a massive way. Imagine how the train driver feel's. He just run over a baby, not his fault but it doesn't take away the emotions and mental issues.
And I think it's still the case that the train driver has to clean up the mess on the front? (Probably not for human, as that would need police).
So, the UK armed forces can only use blank bullets, as it may scar them to use live rounds.
Cars should be banned, as they can kill people. Trains also then banned incase some moron is stupid enough to play on the track?
Smoking should be entirely banned, as its harmful. Along with all forms of alcohol?
Not allowed out in sunshire due to skin cancer?
Kids not allowed to playgrounds because they could fall off swings and break limbs. Also, they are not allowed on their push bikes?
Electricity not allowed, its dangerous?
No. What we need is for people to take responsibility for their own actions. People will always jump in front of trains, whether intentionally or not. I guess train drivers have to prepare for that, and hopefully their organisation is able to assist when it does.
And I have heard someone get mowed down by a 50mph train, and glimpsed the aftermath (I was up a telegraph pole about 100yrds away). Horrid noise that I will remember to the day I die. I feel for the driver, and the authorities who had to clean up. In the same way I feel for our authorities you have to clear up after car smashes etc.
Knowone is saying this is what it needs to be like, but while were at it lets remove and seatbelts and airbags out of all cars because if were stupid enough to have crash we deserve to smash our heads on the windscreen, we would never crash again would we ;) ??
Seatbelts etc are fitted, up to you if you use them. You know consequences if you dont.
Buggy fitted with brakes, up to you if you use them. You know the consequences if you dont.
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I would assume that platforms are angled for the same reasons are roads are covex, it is so water does not lay on the surface, and in colder weather freeze.
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I would assume that platforms are angled for the same reasons are roads are covex, it is so water does not lay on the surface, and in colder weather freeze.
Indeed. The question is: which way do you slope it?
If you slope it away from the tracks then you may need to provide drainage to carry the water away. If you happen to have a canopy on the platform it rankles to make it run across an otherwise dry area so do you make the platform wavy along its length with drains on the main walkway?
As with most problems, the solution has to be a compromise.
It ought to be a relief to designers that the users are intelligent beings.
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ok..
* everyone has stupid moments.. (me included )
if you work overnight or watch tv on late hrs (as usual because all channels show good films at late hrs >:( ) or if you cant sleep good the next morning you are donald.. My brain personally start working at lunch time (too late imho) so mostly in the mornings I try to drive slow, dont decide on something serious unless somebody pushes me..
* Human life is precious than every cost, either stupid or clever .. And its the engineers #1 priority.. (they obey or not is their problem)
end of..
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stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.
you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.
problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.
Better idea - brakes that are 'on' until you grab the handlebars to push.
good idea.. :y :y
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What the hell was the woman doing not to notice that as soon as she took her hands off the pushchair, it was rolling quickly away from her? F***in' ell!
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Cleaning up is easy, that's what jet washes were made for.
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Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population. If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....
I know some. Though i'd like not to :(
Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids. There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....
Thats a bit harsh isn't it, lets face it we all have our slack moments, its human nature, can't be perfect 100% of the time.
Harsh maybe, but sooo bloody true at the end of the day.
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Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)
Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.
Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?
You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in! :-/
This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.
I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence. Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.
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Agreed (in these circumstances) :y.........I know a song about that. ;)......great lyrics.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2MH6VesKyc[/media]
"I,d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass". Brilliant. :)
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One really LUCKY kid there
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Saw this on the news today, my heart nearly stopped! Gawd knows what went through the mothers head (apart from the bloody train very nearly ;D) The one I feel really sorry for is the poor bloody driver! I'll bet his heart nearly stopped for real!!!