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"Draconian police powers designed to deprive crime barons of luxury lifestyles are being extended to councils, quangos and agencies to use against the public, The Times has learnt.
The right to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property will be given to town hall officials and civilian investigators employed by organisations as diverse as Royal Mail, the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London.
The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most powerful tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders."
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6892830.ece
Unbelievable >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Yet again,old Joe Stalin would be very proud.Its no big surprise really,there have been quite a few New Liebore cabinet members over the years who were previously card carrying members of the Communist party.
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"Draconian police powers designed to deprive crime barons of luxury lifestyles are being extended to councils, quangos and agencies to use against the public, The Times has learnt.
The right to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property will be given to town hall officials and civilian investigators employed by organisations as diverse as Royal Mail, the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London.
The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most powerful tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders."
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6892830.ece
Unbelievable >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
NOOOOOOOO!!!
I presume they will be sworn in, and issued warrant cards, for such powers? ::)
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Holy Crap! :o
Who is going to regulate those who get given these powers? :-/
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"Draconian police powers designed to deprive crime barons of luxury lifestyles are being extended to councils, quangos and agencies to use against the public, The Times has learnt.
The right to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property will be given to town hall officials and civilian investigators employed by organisations as diverse as Royal Mail, the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London.
The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most powerful tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders."
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6892830.ece
Unbelievable >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
NOOOOOOOO!!!
I presume they will be sworn in, and issued warrant cards, for such powers? ::)
....and called "Stasi" :-/
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The revolution is coming that much closer! ::) ::) ::) ::)
The more unelected officials ignore our liberal democratic values the greater the chance that new ideologies will enter our politics, for better or worse! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
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Getting very close now to the point where I saw "break em" and we move to Poland to be with the Mrs. family.....
I am getting seriously seriously sick of this country and this government.....
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The revolution is coming that much closer! ::) ::) ::) ::)
The more unelected officials ignore our liberal democratic values the greater the chance that new ideologies will enter our politics, for better or worse! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
Very important point, Lizzie. Reading beneath the article in The Times, I came across this posted comment:
"27 years a member of the Labour party. Not any more. Can't vote Tory / Lib Dems haven't got a clue. Really tempted to vote BNP, won't, but sorely tempted. If the Tories don't kick this new law out, and it doesn't look likely seeing as they've not screamed at it now, then next time I vote it most certainly will be BNP."
The mainstream parties just don't get it, do they? If they carry on as they are, they will kill themselves off.
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I dont blame you webby and you be happy there too than living in the uk :y
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Getting very close now to the point where I saw "break em" and we move to Poland to be with the Mrs. family.....
I am getting seriously seriously sick of this country and this government.....
Poland's in the EU, so while you can run, you can't hide. :(
What happens here will sooner of later happen all around the EU, IMHO. >:(
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Getting very close now to the point where I saw "break em" and we move to Poland to be with the Mrs. family.....
I am getting seriously seriously sick of this country and this government.....
Poland's in the EU, so while you can run, you can't hide. :(
What happens here will sooner of later happen all around the EU, IMHO. >:(
Theres just no reason at all to stay here anymore tbh, this country is turning into a joke.....!!!!
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Getting very close now to the point where I saw "break em" and we move to Poland to be with the Mrs. family.....
I am getting seriously seriously sick of this country and this government.....
Poland's in the EU, so while you can run, you can't hide. :(
What happens here will sooner of later happen all around the EU, IMHO. >:(
Theres just no reason at all to stay here anymore tbh, this country is turning into a joke.....!!!!
I'm with you, cant wait to jump on the boat and sail slowly around the world to Hawaii, no BS like this there :y
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Perhaps people will now realize that the state is becoming all-powerful and that the will of the state must be adhered to. :y
Uncle Joe would be wearing a wry smile indeed on hearing this news ;) ;)
Step out of line if you dare. ::) ::) :y
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Its speaks volumes imo that someone is considering leaving this country to live in Poland.
Its not that long ago that we in this country used to be thankful that we didnt have to live under the rule of a hideous communist regime.It shows I suppose that Poland has improved in many ways in recent times,while this country has gone in completely the oppisite direction. :( :( :(
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Plenty of new laws coming out - can't have these polititians doing anything usefull can we?
BLoody Sith Meddleson is at it again - definately corrupt
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Poland is far from being a perfect country, but I would sooner be there than here
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The revolution is coming that much closer! ::) ::) ::) ::)
The more unelected officials ignore our liberal democratic values the greater the chance that new ideologies will enter our politics, for better or worse! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
Very important point, Lizzie. Reading beneath the article in The Times, I came across this posted comment:
"27 years a member of the Labour party. Not any more. Can't vote Tory / Lib Dems haven't got a clue. Really tempted to vote BNP, won't, but sorely tempted. If the Tories don't kick this new law out, and it doesn't look likely seeing as they've not screamed at it now, then next time I vote it most certainly will be BNP."
The mainstream parties just don't get it, do they? If they carry on as they are, they will kill themselves off.
There have been three phases of British liberal democratic state; "nighidiotchman", secondly "welfare", then now "regulatory". The next could well be "revolutionary".
As the citizens become exasperated with their political representatives who seem not to be listening to their wishes, you are right Nick the parties could well die, and leave a terrible vacuum. This will be filled by those with revolutionary ideologies. ;)
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Imo we wont have a revolution in this country.At least not by the man in the street,We have had a revolution of sorts in recent times by social engineering/thought police etc. - what used to be right is wrong and vice versa.
It seems to me that political awareness is at an all time low,the general populace are kept distracted by soaps,reality TV etc, and the education of the next generation has already indoctrinated them to believe the new wisdom,so that what we are finding repulsive,they will accept as normal.If there is a road back to sanity (which I seriously doubt) it will be a long and tortuous one. :(
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Imo we wont have a revolution in this country.At least not by the man in the street,We have had a revolution of sorts in recent times by social engineering/thought police etc. - what used to be right is wrong and vice versa.
It seems to me that political awareness is at an all time low,the general populace are kept distracted by soaps,reality TV etc, and the education of the next generation has already indoctrinated them to believe the new wisdom,so that what we are finding repulsive,they will accept as normal.If there is a road back to sanity (which I seriously doubt) it will be a long and tortuous one. :(
A very pertinent comment, Albs.
It is true that the younger generation (at least, younger than me) do not have the political interest that I - and my peers - had in my more youthful days. These days, it is common to hear people say that "politics is boring" or "my view doesn't matter". These are the "useful idiots" upon which despotic administrations thrive.
Fortunately, however, the demographics of the UK have changed and although the media would have you believe that the country comprises merely the young and "hip", the truth is that the older generations outnumber the youth and it is to that sector that we need to look for our salvation. When the government starts to rile the "oldies", they need to worry. :y
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Im an oldie and they rile me every day. :y >:( :D ;D
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Imo we wont have a revolution in this country.At least not by the man in the street,We have had a revolution of sorts in recent times by social engineering/thought police etc. - what used to be right is wrong and vice versa.
It seems to me that political awareness is at an all time low,the general populace are kept distracted by soaps,reality TV etc, and the education of the next generation has already indoctrinated them to believe the new wisdom,so that what we are finding repulsive,they will accept as normal.If there is a road back to sanity (which I seriously doubt) it will be a long and tortuous one. :(
You can guarantee that? :-/ :-/
All great changes of ideology in history have come swiftly, without warning, after major political upsets or events. They are unpredictable. 1645 (England), 1789 (France), 1917 (Russia), 1933 (Germany) and 1989 (USSR) are just a few examples.
Britain's history is riddled with major political changes, and who knows what the next one could be. ;) ;)
Those who had no previous inclination towards politics and revolution have ended up being the leaders of such change, so do not rule out those who seem at the moment disinterested. When their cages are rattled by political and social inequality they will spring to life! ;)
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Imo we wont have a revolution in this country.At least not by the man in the street,We have had a revolution of sorts in recent times by social engineering/thought police etc. - what used to be right is wrong and vice versa.
It seems to me that political awareness is at an all time low,the general populace are kept distracted by soaps,reality TV etc, and the education of the next generation has already indoctrinated them to believe the new wisdom,so that what we are finding repulsive,they will accept as normal.If there is a road back to sanity (which I seriously doubt) it will be a long and tortuous one. :(
You can guarantee that? :-/ :-/
All great changes of ideology in history have come swiftly, without warning, after major political upsets or events. They are unpredictable. 1645 (England), 1789 (France), 1917 (Russia), 1933 (Germany) and 1989 (USSR) are just a few examples.
Britain's history is riddled with major political changes, and who knows what the next one could be. ;) ;)
I think it unlikely Ms Zoom. The populace of this nation has been softened up to the point where self concern takes precedence over most things.
You should not forget that the 'state' now has the apparatus to deal with insurrection in ways never before dreamt of and I have no doubt, that any attempt to gainsay the decree of this increasingly powerful body, will be harshly dealt with.
The 'state', in terms of this nation, is much greater than the government of the day of course and with the implementation of the Lisbon Accord, it will have a deep pool from which to draw resources to deal with any such unrest within these borders.
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Not so long ago I would have never imagined discussing public unrest from the point of view of considering it myself, or agreeing with the reasoning of the conspirators .... but, that day has come.
We are on a very slippery and steep downward slope and something has got to give very soon ..... or not at all.
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our freedoms are hard fought over many centuries and the saddest thing for me is watching us quietly, meekly giving them away - this government has an atrocious record on civil liberty, and i shudder to think what they would do with i.d. cards.
its an old trick - hold up a bogeyman to the public and say these laws are to protect you we're in grave danger of losing all perspective and our rights once taken, are very difficult to get back
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Imo we wont have a revolution in this country.At least not by the man in the street,We have had a revolution of sorts in recent times by social engineering/thought police etc. - what used to be right is wrong and vice versa.
It seems to me that political awareness is at an all time low,the general populace are kept distracted by soaps,reality TV etc, and the education of the next generation has already indoctrinated them to believe the new wisdom,so that what we are finding repulsive,they will accept as normal.If there is a road back to sanity (which I seriously doubt) it will be a long and tortuous one. :(
Spot on. When schoolchildren are asked what they want to be when they are older and say "on X factor" there is little hope. Worse is the fact that when people do actually get off their backsides and take to the streets e.g. Protest outside (or inside) Ratcliffe Power St they are vilified by everyone for being tree huggers, greens, hippies or similar derogatory remarks. How many of those making those sort of remarks have actually joined in a physical protest. Not many I suspect. And that is why we are doomed to more of this stuff.
V
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Imo we wont have a revolution in this country.At least not by the man in the street,We have had a revolution of sorts in recent times by social engineering/thought police etc. - what used to be right is wrong and vice versa.
It seems to me that political awareness is at an all time low,the general populace are kept distracted by soaps,reality TV etc, and the education of the next generation has already indoctrinated them to believe the new wisdom,so that what we are finding repulsive,they will accept as normal.If there is a road back to sanity (which I seriously doubt) it will be a long and tortuous one. :(
You can guarantee that? :-/ :-/
All great changes of ideology in history have come swiftly, without warning, after major political upsets or events. They are unpredictable. 1645 (England), 1789 (France), 1917 (Russia), 1933 (Germany) and 1989 (USSR) are just a few examples.
Britain's history is riddled with major political changes, and who knows what the next one could be. ;) ;)
I think it unlikely Ms Zoom. The populace of this nation has been softened up to the point where self concern takes precedence over most things.
You should not forget that the state now has the apparatus to deal with insurrection in ways never before dreamt of and I have no doubt, that any attempt to gainsay the decree of the state, will be harshly dealt with.
The state is much greater than the government of the day of course and with the implementation of the Lisbon Accord, it will have a deep pool from which to draw resources to deal with any such unrest.
"Self concern" is the element that has driven dramatic political change in this country of ours for hundreds of years; 1215 - Magna Carta; 1640 - English Civil War; 1688 - Glorious Revolution; 1790-1801 Bread Riots; 1797 - Naval Mutinies 1810 - Luddism; 1819 - Peterloo Massacre; 1830 - Swing Riots; 1838-48 - Chartism; 1912 - Suffergettes; 1926 - General Strike; 1979 - Winter of Discontent; 1985 - The Great Miners Strike. These are just some of the key political events that have driven the political wishes of the people, even when the establishment could threaten shooting, whipping, hanging, transportation, imprisonment and all kinds of other horrible punishments.
There is absolutely no reason why todays people cannot, and will not, rise up against unfairness, dis-enfranchisement, and the removal of the freedoms that they have become used to. Their "self concern's" will be the very driving force as it was in the most famous revolution, The French Revolution of 1789 when a system did not react to what was, and recognise the wishes of the people against a background of a bankrupt regieme that carried on spending money, whilst the citizens become poorer. Do you recognise the key links with now?
;) ;) ;) ;)
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Ref various above "rather be in Poland than here" comments-I can safely say however crazy the UK is, I would rather be here-along with all of our large Polish/English social circle.
Interesting comment re: being under communism and now in better state than us, but the reality is different.
A few years ago, I had the opportunity to sell our house, use the equity and buy a detached house to live in and three ex-communist flats to rent out-rather than struggle here with selling houses and a big mortgage. We looked into it, but my wife did not go-and I am now pleased we did not. Fact is may of my clients move abroad-then come back for a variety of reasons because they miss the UK.
The UK may be riddled with issues, but if you live somewhere nice like Herefordshire and never read the daft tabloids, you can enjoy English life whatever :)
Poland has; ugly 6' security fencing and gates on most properties, bars on the windows, relentless graffiti, having to leave your car with a guard at night if you want it in the morning, Roman Catholic based politics, the 80 year old women selling wildflowers in the street to be able to eat, general decay, alcoholism, poverty, awful roads and driving standards. It is in the gutter dreaming of the sky-and will get there in time, but not yet.
Despite the above, Poland can be absolutely wonderful and has many things better than the UK-I love to visit for a change from the routine, but when you look at everyday living-the crazyness the UK tabloids pales into insignificance. (Anyone interested in a trip there please pm as I can help with this)
Just don't read the Mail :y
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Meant to say in reply to x-factor and childer comments; what strikes me in Poland every time is how the children are children still-they look and play like children-this is the culture over there. It is lovely.
If you take our 12 year olds, they usually look 15+, but in Poland, the 15 years old look 12 years old-no make up and happy to still be kids. It's really noticable, along with the fact kids start "learning" at school later-the first years are just constructive play-no writing-which is why their handwriting is so amazing. They start when they have better control.
Enough about Poland now :y
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"Self concern" is the element that has driven dramatic political change in this country of ours for hundreds of years; 1215 - Magna Carta; 1640 - English Civil War; 1688 - Glorious Revolution; 1790-1801 Bread Riots; 1797 - Naval Mutinies 1810 - Luddism; 1819 - Peterloo Massacre; 1830 - Swing Riots; 1838-48 - Chartism; 1912 - Suffergettes; 1926 - General Strike; 1979 - Winter of Discontent; 1985 - The Great Miners Strike. These are just some of the key political events that have driven the political wishes of the people, even when the establishment could threaten shooting, whipping, hanging, transportation and all kinds of other horrible punishments.
There is absolutely no reason why todays people cannot, and will not, rise up against unfairness, dis-enfranchisement, and the removal of the freedoms that they have become used to. Their "self concern's" will be the very driving force as it was in the most famous revolution, The French Revolution of 1789 when a system did not react to what was, and recognise the wishes of the people against a background of a bankrupt regieme that carried on spending money, whilst the citizens become poorer. Do you recognise the key links with now?
;) ;) ;) ;)
Indeed I do Ms Zoom (lovely to have you posting again) 8-) :-* history has a habit of providing the bones so we might flesh out our approach to present-day problems.
In regard to the element of self-concern I spoke of, I can't at the moment see the necessary indignation and outrage in the desire for affirmative action being expressed, in a sufficiently forceful or increasing fashion that suggests people within this nation are likely to get off their arses to do something about it.
It seems that a lot of people are unaware of the dire outlook for this country either by being too stupid, lazy or by being interested in what's happening on the television, in glossy magazines or what lies at the bottom of a drinking glass.
By design or otherwise, there is little cohesive force to be found within the disparate nature of the many racial elements within these shores, no common leader to inspire and excite, to strategise and conspire, no beacon to which the many can look for guidance.
So, the many have become self-concerned with the inconsequential things of life and display little time for the important matters of family and of nation.
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"Self concern" is the element that has driven dramatic political change in this country of ours for hundreds of years; 1215 - Magna Carta; 1640 - English Civil War; 1688 - Glorious Revolution; 1790-1801 Bread Riots; 1797 - Naval Mutinies 1810 - Luddism; 1819 - Peterloo Massacre; 1830 - Swing Riots; 1838-48 - Chartism; 1912 - Suffergettes; 1926 - General Strike; 1979 - Winter of Discontent; 1985 - The Great Miners Strike. These are just some of the key political events that have driven the political wishes of the people, even when the establishment could threaten shooting, whipping, hanging, transportation and all kinds of other horrible punishments.
There is absolutely no reason why todays people cannot, and will not, rise up against unfairness, dis-enfranchisement, and the removal of the freedoms that they have become used to. Their "self concern's" will be the very driving force as it was in the most famous revolution, The French Revolution of 1789 when a system did not react to what was, and recognise the wishes of the people against a background of a bankrupt regieme that carried on spending money, whilst the citizens become poorer. Do you recognise the key links with now?
;) ;) ;) ;)
Indeed I do Ms Zoom (lovely to have you posting again) 8-) :-* history has a habit of providing the bones so we might flesh out our approach to present-day problems.
In regard to the element of self-concern I spoke of, I can't at the moment see the necessary indignation and outrage in the desire for affirmative action being expressed, in a sufficiently forceful or increasing fashion that suggests people within this nation are likely to get off their arses to do something about it.
It seems that a lot of people are unaware of the dire outlook for this country either by being too stupid, lazy or by being interested in what's happening on the television, in glossy magazines or what lies at the bottom of a drinking glass.
By design or otherwise, there is little cohesive force to be found within the disparate nature of the many racial elements within these shores, no common leader to to inspire and excite, to strategise and conspire, no beacon to which the many can look for guidance.
So, the many have become self-concerned with the inconsequential things of life and display little time for the important matters of family and of nation.
The time will come Zulu, as it has throughout history, when the citizens of this country lift themselves up, shake themselves down, nail their colours to the mast of self determination and fight for their rights, saying enough is enough. A leader will always be around, although they may themselves not know it yet, and rise up to represent the desires of the masses:
1/ Give back full, true and honest parliamentary representation for the citizens by the citizens
2/ De-regulate and let the people be free to determine their own futures
3/ Rid ourselves of governmental waste at all levels, and within public bodies, by cutting layers of bureaucratic control
4/ Ban non-elected officials from dictating new laws and regulations
5/ Disassemble all quangoes
6/ Dismantle the House of Lords, and create a unicameral Parliament
7/ Reduce government involvement in the citizens lives, with greatly reduced taxes and a return to a laissez- faire ideology
8/ Enact laws to ensure that all Prime Ministers are elected by the citizens no matter what the parliamentary circumstances when the post becomes vacant or untenable
9/ End Britain's military involvement in Afghanistan
10/ Hold a referendum on Britain's European participation and future federal membership
11/ Create national construction or social schemes to boost the employment of the unemployed,and thus reduce the welfare bill
12/ Cease overseas aid to those countries who do not require it
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The time will come Zulu, as it has throughout history, when the citizens of this country lift themselves up, shake themselves down, nail their colours to the mast of self determination and fight for their rights, saying enough is enough. A leader will always be around, although they may themselves not know it yet, and rise up to represent the desires of the masses: A Lizzie / Zulu Coalition !?
1/ Give back full, true and honest parliamentary representation for the citizens by the citizens
2/ De-regulate and let the people be free to determine their own futures
3/ Rid ourselves of governmental waste at all levels, and within public bodies, by cutting layers of bureaucratic control
4/ Ban non-elected officials from dictating new laws and regulations
5/ Disassemble all quangoes
6/ Dismantle the House of Lords, and create a unicameral Parliament and do me out of a job when I take my seat ???
7/ Reduce government involvement in the citizens lives, with greatly reduced taxes and a return to a laissez- faire ideology
8/ Enact laws to ensure that all Prime Ministers are elected by the citizens no matter what the parliamentary circumstances when the post becomes vacant or untenable YEAH
9/ End Britain's military involvement in Afghanistan and other locations
10/ Hold a referendum on Britain's European participation and future federal membership
11/ Create national construction or social schemes to boost the employment of the unemployed,and thus reduce the welfare bill
12/ Cease overseas aid to those countries who do not require it
Vote Lizzie & Zulu
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The time will come Zulu, as it has throughout history, when the citizens of this country lift themselves up, shake themselves down, nail their colours to the mast of self determination and fight for their rights, saying enough is enough. A leader will always be around, although they may themselves not know it yet, and rise up to represent the desires of the masses:
1/ Give back full, true and honest parliamentary representation for the citizens by the citizens
2/ De-regulate and let the people be free to determine their own futures
3/ Rid ourselves of governmental waste at all levels, and within public bodies, by cutting layers of bureaucratic control
4/ Ban non-elected officials from dictating new laws and regulations
5/ Disassemble all quangoes
6/ Dismantle the House of Lords, and create a unicameral Parliament
7/ Reduce government involvement in the citizens lives, with greatly reduced taxes and a return to a laissez- faire ideology
8/ Enact laws to ensure that all Prime Ministers are elected by the citizens no matter what the parliamentary circumstances when the post becomes vacant or untenable
9/ End Britain's military involvement in Afghanistan
10/ Hold a referendum on Britain's European participation and future federal membership
11/ Create national construction or social schemes to boost the employment of the unemployed,and thus reduce the welfare bill
12/ Cease overseas aid to those countries who do not require it
I feel the import of those words deeply E, thank you - in another time or place we, of like mind, could have made a start in realizing their fulfillment.................................
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The time will come Zulu, as it has throughout history, when the citizens of this country lift themselves up, shake themselves down, nail their colours to the mast of self determination and fight for their rights, saying enough is enough. A leader will always be around, although they may themselves not know it yet, and rise up to represent the desires of the masses:
1/ Give back full, true and honest parliamentary representation for the citizens by the citizens
2/ De-regulate and let the people be free to determine their own futures
3/ Rid ourselves of governmental waste at all levels, and within public bodies, by cutting layers of bureaucratic control
4/ Ban non-elected officials from dictating new laws and regulations
5/ Disassemble all quangoes
6/ Dismantle the House of Lords, and create a unicameral Parliament
7/ Reduce government involvement in the citizens lives, with greatly reduced taxes and a return to a laissez- faire ideology
8/ Enact laws to ensure that all Prime Ministers are elected by the citizens no matter what the parliamentary circumstances when the post becomes vacant or untenable
9/ End Britain's military involvement in Afghanistan
10/ Hold a referendum on Britain's European participation and future federal membership
11/ Create national construction or social schemes to boost the employment of the unemployed,and thus reduce the welfare bill
12/ Cease overseas aid to those countries who do not require it
I feel the import of those words deeply E, thank you - in another time or place we, of like mind, could have made a start in realizing their fulfilment.................................
It is not too late for us to rise in the interests of the people and have a New Order Zulu 8-) 8-) ;) ;)
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It is not too late for us to rise in the interests of the people and have a New Order Zulu 8-) 8-) ;) ;)
Problem is, by the time anyone's getting close to realising this dream they are already looking for the next step in their career, which is normally towards Brussels so that all goes out of the window and we end up with another Torny B. Liar clone. >:(
Kevin
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The time will come Zulu, as it has throughout history, when the citizens of this country lift themselves up, shake themselves down, nail their colours to the mast of self determination and fight for their rights, saying enough is enough. A leader will always be around, although they may themselves not know it yet, and rise up to represent the desires of the masses:
1/ Give back full, true and honest parliamentary representation for the citizens by the citizens
2/ De-regulate and let the people be free to determine their own futures
3/ Rid ourselves of governmental waste at all levels, and within public bodies, by cutting layers of bureaucratic control
4/ Ban non-elected officials from dictating new laws and regulations
5/ Disassemble all quangoes
6/ Dismantle the House of Lords, and create a unicameral Parliament
7/ Reduce government involvement in the citizens lives, with greatly reduced taxes and a return to a laissez- faire ideology
8/ Enact laws to ensure that all Prime Ministers are elected by the citizens no matter what the parliamentary circumstances when the post becomes vacant or untenable
9/ End Britain's military involvement in Afghanistan
10/ Hold a referendum on Britain's European participation and future federal membership
11/ Create national construction or social schemes to boost the employment of the unemployed,and thus reduce the welfare bill
12/ Cease overseas aid to those countries who do not require it
I feel the import of those words deeply E, thank you - in another time or place we, of like mind, could have made a start in realizing their fulfilment.................................
It is not too late for us to rise in the interests of the people and have a New Order Zulu 8-) 8-) ;) ;)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbqF_QcOIxY[/media]
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The time will come Zulu, as it has throughout history, when the citizens of this country lift themselves up, shake themselves down, nail their colours to the mast of self determination and fight for their rights, saying enough is enough. A leader will always be around, although they may themselves not know it yet, and rise up to represent the desires of the masses:
1/ Give back full, true and honest parliamentary representation for the citizens by the citizens
2/ De-regulate and let the people be free to determine their own futures
3/ Rid ourselves of governmental waste at all levels, and within public bodies, by cutting layers of bureaucratic control
4/ Ban non-elected officials from dictating new laws and regulations
5/ Disassemble all quangoes
6/ Dismantle the House of Lords, and create a unicameral Parliament
7/ Reduce government involvement in the citizens lives, with greatly reduced taxes and a return to a laissez- faire ideology
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Enact laws to ensure that all Prime Ministers are elected by the citizens no matter what the parliamentary circumstances when the post becomes vacant or untenable
9/ End Britain's military involvement in Afghanistan
10/ Hold a referendum on Britain's European participation and future federal membership
11/ Create national construction or social schemes to boost the employment of the unemployed,and thus reduce the welfare bill
12/ Cease overseas aid to those countries who do not require it
I feel the import of those words deeply E, thank you - in another time or place we, of like mind, could have made a start in realizing their fulfilment.................................
It is not too late for us to rise in the interests of the people and have a New Order Zulu 8-) 8-) ;) ;)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbqF_QcOIxY[/media]
Shakespere at his best Zulu :-* :-* :y :y