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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Gaffers on 02 November 2009, 18:38:15
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Ok, for starters I am an avid cyclist in that I cycle all weathers and times of day and night. It keeps me fit and burns enough calories for a couple of beers :y
I obey all rules of the road, I am curtious towards other road users, I make sure I use lights even during the day, hi-vis vest and I cycle very very defensively. I lost my brother and a friend in separate incidents while both were cycling so raod safety is a big thing for me.
But I am getting increasing peeved with other cyclists who flaunt the laws cycling on pavements, riding in the dark without lights, going through red lights..... it really grips my sh!t >:(
So I have devised a little questionaire as research on the matter. Results will be hidden till closing. Looking forward to your opinions :y
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Pavements ok if done responsibly
In the event of an accident involving a cyclist the driver of a motor vehicle is accountable
Cyclist running red lights is ok if it doesn't cause any danger to other road users or themselves
Cyclists should pass stationary traffic on the outside like motorcyclists
Wearing of helmets for cyclists should be mandatory
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maybe a little pavement cycling under right circumstances - could improve safety for all. But too many cyclists will scare pedestrians by being tosspots. Also, opens a whole new opportunity for bag snatchers.
Otherwise, 100% obey road rules like everyone else. As should horse riders.
One last rule, if cyclist knocked down by car due to being a self-centred pillock, the car driver should reverse up, and make sure the job is done properly.
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Pavements ok if done responsibly Vehicles of any sort and pedestrians should be kept apart
In the event of an accident involving a cyclist the driver of a motor vehicle is accountable unless it is the cyclist being a pillock
Cyclist running red lights is ok if it doesn't cause any danger to other road users or themselves of course it's a danger -- that's whty there's a red light !
Cyclists should pass stationary traffic on the outside like motorcyclists .. makes it easier to knock 'em off --- motor cyclists shouldn't do it either!
Wearing of helmets for cyclists should be mandatory Finally --- agreed
A pedestrian knocked over by a cyclist while walking in a cycle lane is a fault unless that cycle lane is part of a shared pathway
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I've recently had the 'misfortune' of cycling to work when my car was off the road, interesting to see a mix of very good, and very bad manners towards me.
A pet hate of mine is cyclists not indicating, right or left...ive often sat behind a bike waiting to turn left.....they turn too without indicating, I could have gone round if they indicated.
Maybe they dont due to lack of control with one arm on handlebars, and loss of balance looking round to see who is about....maybe installing indicators would help, just a button to press :-/ cant see it catching on though (they are available).
Maybe indicators and mirrors compulsory would improve safety for all :-/
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MY vote choices were:
Cyclists should obey all the rules of the road,
Cycling on the pavements is ok if done responsibly,
Cyclists should be held to the same scruteny of motorists,
Wearing of helmets for cyclists should be mandatory,
Cyclists should have 3rd party insurance,
There should be tax breaks to encourage cycling to work
Some good points there Gaffers.
I have allways said, I dont drive on the pavemnts so pedestrians shouldnt walk down the road if the is a pavement, however if a cyclist knocks one down then the same rules apply to road users, who, what was to blame and why did it happen at all. (Cars are not allowed to use cycle lanes)
Insurance is there for a reason, why shouldnt cyclists and horse riders pay to be on the road, if they can make a claim against us, then why cant we claim against them if they are at fault.
80% of cyclists are tawts, low vis gear, think they rule the road, no respect and break all the rules. I passed my cycling proficiency test at junior school, what's happened to that these days
Are there actually any rules for road using cyclists, especially age of fitness rules.
Gaffers,Ii applaude you for being so conscientious amd you certainly get my vote, but 50% of them I could happily line up and use them for sniper pracrice.
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I've recently had the 'misfortune' of cycling to work when my car was off the road, interesting to see a mix of very good, and very bad manners towards me.
A pet hate of mine is cyclists not indicating, right or left...ive often sat behind a bike waiting to turn left.....they turn too without indicating, I could have gone round if they indicated.
Maybe they dont due to lack of control with one arm on handlebars, and loss of balance looking round to see who is about....maybe installing indicators would help, just a button to press :-/ cant see it catching on though (they are available).
Maybe indicators and mirrors compulsory would improve safety for all :-/
Not reqd - I'm guessing most of us have doen cycling proficiency, those that haven't, and ride a bike, perhaps should.
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i ran red lights all the time in London, it can be safe, you just have to be very careful. Done right on the way back from the office, i could do it non-stop.
Infact, turning left on a red was much safter, than being next to a truck when than started to pull of.
In Holland 50cc scooters are allowed on cycle paths, it worked fine.
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Pavements - maybe cyclists should ride on pavement until, say 10/12yrs old, then compulsory cycling proficiency.
Hopefully, all the iiresponsible cyclists will end up dead quickly, so problem solved.
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Gaffers,Ii applaude you for being so conscientious amd you certainly get my vote, but 50% of them I could happily line up and use them for sniper pracrice.
only 50%? Personally I would put at least 70% there lol
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I've recently had the 'misfortune' of cycling to work when my car was off the road, interesting to see a mix of very good, and very bad manners towards me.
A pet hate of mine is cyclists not indicating, right or left...ive often sat behind a bike waiting to turn left.....they turn too without indicating, I could have gone round if they indicated.
Maybe they dont due to lack of control with one arm on handlebars, and loss of balance looking round to see who is about....maybe installing indicators would help, just a button to press :-/ cant see it catching on though (they are available).
Maybe indicators and mirrors compulsory would improve safety for all :-/
Not reqd - I'm guessing most of us have doen cycling proficiency, those that haven't, and ride a bike, perhaps should.
15-20 years ago when I last rode, I agree.
back on a bike after a long time, with more weight, less confidence, those items would have made me feel a lot safer.
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i ran red lights all the time in London, it can be safe, you just have to be very careful. Done right on the way back from the office, i could do it non-stop.
Infact, turning left on a red was much safter, than being next to a truck when than started to pull of.
In Holland 50cc scooters are allowed on cycle paths, it worked fine.
Is about the only time I would turn a blind eye.
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Gaffers,Ii applaude you for being so conscientious amd you certainly get my vote, but 50% of them I could happily line up and use them for sniper pracrice.
only 50%? Personally I would put at least 70% there lol
I was being polite. ::)
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Cyclists should obey all the rules of the road
Cycling on the pavements is ok if done responsibly Cyclists should be held to the same scruteny of motorists
Wearing of helmets for cyclists should be mandatory
Cyclists and motorist should be separated
A pedestrian knocked over by a cyclist while walking in a cycle lane is a fault
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i ran red lights all the time in London, it can be safe, you just have to be very careful. Done right on the way back from the office, i could do it non-stop.
Infact, turning left on a red was much safter, than being next to a truck when than started to pull of.
In Holland 50cc scooters are allowed on cycle paths, it worked fine.
Is about the only time I would turn a blind eye.
Not me, and as for vehicles that turn left, I keep back and let them turn rather than take the risk for 5 secs of cycling lol
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
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Pavements - maybe cyclists should ride on pavement until, say 10/12yrs old, then compulsory cycling proficiency.
Hopefully, all the iiresponsible cyclists will end up dead quickly, so problem solved.
Agree, when they turn into teenagers. :y
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
How many points would you give though.
Sounds like Death Race 2000, would driving through a car park gain extra points. ;D ;D ::)
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
And rather horses...
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
How many points would you give though.
Sounds like Death Race 2000, would driving through a car park gain extra points. ;D ;D ::)
no points just satisfaction :) :)
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Pavements ok if done responsibly
In the event of an accident involving a cyclist the driver of a motor vehicle is accountable
Cyclist running red lights is ok if it doesn't cause any danger to other road users or themselvesCyclists should pass stationary traffic on the outside like motorcyclists
Wearing of helmets for cyclists should be mandatory
Cyclists have no more right to use the pavement than car drivers, they are for the use of pedestrians ONLY. OK to run a red light as long as they are no danger????? :o Just who would be the Arbiter of the term 'no danger' , the cyclist? :-?
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
And rather horses...
fair few horse and carts here with there being a permanant pikey camp round the corner.
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
And rather horses...
fair few horse and carts here with there being a permanant pikey camp round the corner.
erm, thems not caravans, thems airplanes yer know! ;D
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cyclists that ride side by side ignoring motorists who want to pass should be knocked down like skittles.
And rather horses...
A quick bark from a pair of 45 DCOEs normally moves them. :y
Kevin
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Cyclists should obey all the rules of the road Yep.
Cyclists should be held to the same scruteny of motorists Yep.
Cyclists should pass stationary traffic on the outside like motorcyclists Voted yes, but where there is a risk of the traffic suddenly pulling away (as if the cyclist is not there, and, of course, not allowing them to get out of danger) I can understand why they don't.
A pedestrian knocked over by a cyclist while walking in a cycle lane is a fault yep, if it's a dedicated cycle lane, otherwise I'd say cyclists should give way to pedestrians.
All the rest, I don't agree with, in varying degrees.
I used to cycle a great deal from when I was about 10 or 12 until about 30 and, having recently tried it again a few times, I think the problem we have at the moment is that we have a significant proportion of slobs currently driving cars who are among the first generation whose parents took them everywhere in a 4x4 when they were young. They therefore can't see the point of cycling, have probably never done it and begrudge them every inch of the road they take up. >:(
Kevin
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cyclists-trial1-2009nov01,0,159992.story
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a Brentwood doctor is accused of slamming on the brakes of his car in front of two bike riders, injuring both. One cyclist was propelled face-first into the rear window. The other was sent hurtling to the pavement.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cyclists-trial1-2009nov01,0,159992.story
quote:
a Brentwood doctor is accused of slamming on the brakes of his car in front of two bike riders, injuring both. One cyclist was propelled face-first into the rear window. The other was sent hurtling to the pavement.
I've had that once, overtook swerved in causing me to brake and then slammed on the anchors. When I went up the inside to avoid a collision he swerved in again knocking me into the parked cars. Police were useless despite literally landing at their feet >:(
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cyclists-trial1-2009nov01,0,159992.story
quote:
a Brentwood doctor is accused of slamming on the brakes of his car in front of two bike riders, injuring both. One cyclist was propelled face-first into the rear window. The other was sent hurtling to the pavement.
I've had that once, overtook swerved in causing me to brake and then slammed on the anchors. When I went up the inside to avoid a collision he swerved in again knocking me into the parked cars. Police were useless despite literally landing at their feet >:(
You could do with a helmet cam and portable DVR. :y
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Pavements - maybe cyclists should ride on pavement until, say 10/12yrs old, then compulsory cycling proficiency.
Hopefully, all the iiresponsible cyclists will end up dead quickly, so problem solved.
Agree, when they turn into teenagers. :y
That wouldnt help very much.
To drive a car you have to pass a test and how many idiots are still on the road.
There was no "all cyclists should be shot on sight" I bet it would have got a good vote Lol.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cyclists-trial1-2009nov01,0,159992.story
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a Brentwood doctor is accused of slamming on the brakes of his car in front of two bike riders, injuring both. One cyclist was propelled face-first into the rear window. The other was sent hurtling to the pavement.
I've had that once, overtook swerved in causing me to brake and then slammed on the anchors. When I went up the inside to avoid a collision he swerved in again knocking me into the parked cars. Police were useless despite literally landing at their feet >:(
You could do with a helmet cam and portable DVR. :y
I am getting one for Chrimbo :y
Cant wait to show you guys some of the crap I have to deal with lol ;D
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Mine are - cyclists should obey all road rules, but I let them off on pavements provided they are not being tossers.
Overtaking stationary or slow traffic - don't go up inside while the car is passing a parked car - b****y idiot.
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I've recently had the 'misfortune' of cycling to work when my car was off the road, interesting to see a mix of very good, and very bad manners towards me.
A pet hate of mine is cyclists not indicating, right or left...ive often sat behind a bike waiting to turn left.....they turn too without indicating, I could have gone round if they indicated.
Maybe they dont due to lack of control with one arm on handlebars, and loss of balance looking round to see who is about....maybe installing indicators would help, just a button to press :-/ cant see it catching on though (they are available).
Maybe indicators and mirrors compulsory would improve safety for all :-/
Not reqd - I'm guessing most of us have doen cycling proficiency, those that haven't, and ride a bike, perhaps should.
15-20 years ago when I last rode, I agree.
back on a bike after a long time, with more weight, less confidence, those items would have made me feel a lot safer.
So it's not just me then, when I think how I could throw a bike around as a Kid, and now, well........ :-[ ::) ::)
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I have the confidence, I have learnt the hard way to be very assertive while being very defensive... its wierd to combine the two but it works :y
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I've recently had the 'misfortune' of cycling to work when my car was off the road, interesting to see a mix of very good, and very bad manners towards me.
A pet hate of mine is cyclists not indicating, right or left...ive often sat behind a bike waiting to turn left.....they turn too without indicating, I could have gone round if they indicated.
Maybe they dont due to lack of control with one arm on handlebars, and loss of balance looking round to see who is about....maybe installing indicators would help, just a button to press :-/ cant see it catching on though (they are available).
Maybe indicators and mirrors compulsory would improve safety for all :-/
Not reqd - I'm guessing most of us have doen cycling proficiency, those that haven't, and ride a bike, perhaps should.
15-20 years ago when I last rode, I agree.
back on a bike after a long time, with more weight, less confidence, those items would have made me feel a lot safer.
So it's not just me then, when I think how I could throw a bike around as a Kid, and now, well........ :-[ ::) ::)
there a lot different from riding penny Farrthings vamps ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Interesting result. While most wanted cyclists to be held to the same standard as motorists most also disagreed that cyclists and motorist should separated... that not the feeling I get when cycling! lol
The helmet one was lower than I thought it would be and the insurance and tax issue higher...
Thanks guys, that is a really interesting result :y
I shall ponder the answer tomorrow when I am more awake lol
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Interesting result. While most wanted cyclists to be held to the same standard as motorists most also disagreed that cyclists and motorist should separated... that not the feeling I get when cycling! lol
The helmet one was lower than I thought it would be and the insurance and tax issue higher...
Thanks guys, that is a really interesting result :y
I shall ponder the answer tomorrow when I am more awake lol
I left out the mandatory helmets and insurance because I think it ought to be optionally cheap.
I also think that cars and cyclists should be separated but it would be too expensive to implement.