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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 05 November 2009, 23:12:10
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
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Has the potential for causing real problems - not only in the obvious sense.
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seems like a coincidence with the british soldiers shot in afghanistan the other day.Both seem like similar kinds of freindly fire.Very very sad .
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
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my initial estimations is that the story behind is deeper and complicated than the visible now.. :(
but whatever the reason is nothing gives someone to shot randomly and kill many people.. >:( >:(
or may be its simply a case of psychopathy.. :(
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an army soldier wearing this dress is definitely not normal.. I bet he is a fanatic,lunatic whatever >:( >:(
http://video.milliyet.com.tr/ABD-askeri-ussune-saldiran-kisinin-goruntuleri_1_32678.htm?auto=1
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Jeez, that must be the winner in the most convoluted attack on those oh-so-horrible-in the pay-of-big-business-republicans and NRA I have ever seen.
Hallo? The shooter was in the military and the shooting took place in a military establishment. Soldiers routinley carry weapons even in countries where gun laws are tight.
Gun laws have NOTHING to do with this tragedy at all.
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Jeez, that must be the winner in the most convoluted attack on those oh-so-horrible-in the pay-of-big-business-republicans and NRA I have ever seen.
Hallo? The shooter was in the military and the shooting took place in a military establishment. Soldiers routinley carry weapons even in countries where gun laws are tight.
Gun laws have NOTHING to do with this tragedy at all.
jesus.......... Nickbat............you think that the easy availability..of guns in the U.S ........has nothing to do with the high crime rate......Unbelievable.... ::) ::) ;)
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The original post was about the shooting in Fort Hood, which has NOTHING to do with the US gun laws.
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Jeez, that must be the winner in the most convoluted attack on those oh-so-horrible-in the pay-of-big-business-republicans and NRA I have ever seen.
Hallo? The shooter was in the military and the shooting took place in a military establishment. Soldiers routinley carry weapons even in countries where gun laws are tight.
Gun laws have NOTHING to do with this tragedy at all.
jesus.......... Nickbat............you think that the easy availability..of guns in the U.S ........has nothing to do with the high crime rate......Unbelievable.... ::) ::) ;)
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I have to say that the correlation between firearms and the level of violent crime can be somewhat exaggerated Opti - especially when referring to that experienced in the US.
Crime, especially violent crime, will always be committed irrespective of the ready availability of firearms. You need only look to the problem with knife crime we have here at the moment, the number of people kicked with feet and assaulted with any object that can be used as a weapon.
It's fashionable in some quarters to bash groups such as the NRA but that simply panders to popular prejudice.
I have carried firearms for most of my adult life and besides being quite comfortable with the fact, I haven't posed a danger to any member of the public - except those whose actions demanded my attention of course.
In the end it needs to be acknowledged that people will always kill other people irrespective of the weapon used.
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Jeez, that must be the winner in the most convoluted attack on those oh-so-horrible-in the pay-of-big-business-republicans and NRA I have ever seen.
Hallo? The shooter was in the military and the shooting took place in a military establishment. Soldiers routinley carry weapons even in countries where gun laws are tight.
Gun laws have NOTHING to do with this tragedy at all.
jesus.......... Nickbat............you think that the easy availability..of guns in the U.S ........has nothing to do with the high crime rate......Unbelievable.... ::) ::) ;)
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I have to say that the correlation between firearms and the level of violent crime can be somewhat exaggerated Opti - especially when referring to that experienced in the US.
Crime, especially violent crime, will always be committed irrespective of the ready availability of firearms. You need only look to the problem with knife crime we have here at the moment, the number of people kicked with feet and assaulted with any object that can be used as a weapon.
It's fashionable in some quarters to bash groups such as the NRA but that simply panders to popular prejudice.
I have carried firearms for most of my adult life and besides being quite comfortable with the fact, I haven't posed a danger to any member of the public - except those whose actions demanded my attention of course.
In the end it needs to be acknowledged that people will always kill other people irrespective of the weapon used.
....agreed Zulu.....but you appear to be a relatively well balanced individual......from your postings... ::) ;)
But this is not always the case.....especially in the USA.....with their "right to bear arms" history... :y :y
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Jeez, that must be the winner in the most convoluted attack on those oh-so-horrible-in the pay-of-big-business-republicans and NRA I have ever seen.
Hallo? The shooter was in the military and the shooting took place in a military establishment. Soldiers routinley carry weapons even in countries where gun laws are tight.
Gun laws have NOTHING to do with this tragedy at all.
jesus.......... Nickbat............you think that the easy availability..of guns in the U.S ........has nothing to do with the high crime rate......Unbelievable.... ::) ::) ;)
::) ::) ::)
I have to say that the correlation between firearms and the level of violent crime can be somewhat exaggerated Opti - especially when referring to that experienced in the US.
Crime, especially violent crime, will always be committed irrespective of the ready availability of firearms. You need only look to the problem with knife crime we have here at the moment, the number of people kicked with feet and assaulted with any object that can be used as a weapon.
It's fashionable in some quarters to bash groups such as the NRA but that simply panders to popular prejudice.
I have carried firearms for most of my adult life and besides being quite comfortable with the fact, I haven't posed a danger to any member of the public - except those whose actions demanded my attention of course.
In the end it needs to be acknowledged that people will always kill other people irrespective of the weapon used.
....agreed Zulu.....but you appear to be a relatively well balanced indivIdual......from your postings... ::) ;)
But this is not always the case.....especially in the USA.....with their "right to bear arms" history... :y :y
...thank you for you confidence Opti.
I would reiterate that violent crime will always be committed whether firearms are involved or not – however - I do agree that the availability to the general populace of long weapons, such as assault rifles and so on simply invites trouble.
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Is it just me that is disturbed that a psychiatrist can go nuts and kill a load of people
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Jeez, that must be the winner in the most convoluted attack on those oh-so-horrible-in the pay-of-big-business-republicans and NRA I have ever seen.
Hallo? The shooter was in the military and the shooting took place in a military establishment. Soldiers routinley carry weapons even in countries where gun laws are tight.
Gun laws have NOTHING to do with this tragedy at all.
jesus.......... Nickbat............you think that the easy availability..of guns in the U.S ........has nothing to do with the high crime rate......Unbelievable.... ::) ::) ;)
::) ::) ::)
I have to say that the correlation between firearms and the level of violent crime can be somewhat exaggerated Opti - especially when referring to that experienced in the US.
Crime, especially violent crime, will always be committed irrespective of the ready availability of firearms. You need only look to the problem with knife crime we have here at the moment, the number of people kicked with feet and assaulted with any object that can be used as a weapon.
It's fashionable in some quarters to bash groups such as the NRA but that simply panders to popular prejudice.
I have carried firearms for most of my adult life and besides being quite comfortable with the fact, I haven't posed a danger to any member of the public - except those whose actions demanded my attention of course.
In the end it needs to be acknowledged that people will always kill other people irrespective of the weapon used.
....agreed Zulu.....but you appear to be a relatively well balanced indivIdual......from your postings... ::) ;)
But this is not always the case.....especially in the USA.....with their "right to bear arms" history... :y :y
...thank you for you confidence Opti.
I would reiterate that violent crime will always be committed whether firearms are involved or not – however - I do agree that the availability to the general populace of long weapons, such as assault rifles and so on simply invites trouble.
Zulu............I was thinking along the lines of "the good ol boys".....who live in the mountains of Virginia.....or Tennessee.......who hates federal government....and who has a wife ......that is also his sister...... ::) ::) ;)
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Is it just me that is disturbed that a psychiatrist can go nuts and kill a load of people
If you were about to be deployed to Iraq, wouldn't you? I would!
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Zulu............I was thinking along the lines of "the good ol boys".....who live in the mountains of Virginia.....or Tennessee.......who hates federal government....and who has a wife ......that is also his sister...... ::) ::) ;)
I do take your point Opti, aside from that, the problem with armed militias in the US has always held the potential for tragedy and with Barak Obama as CiC I can foresee a hardening of attitudes within such organisations.
The availability of firearms to these groups should not be encouraged however my point, in terms of general crime, remains.
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Is it just me that is disturbed that a psychiatrist can go nuts and kill a load of people
If you were about to be deployed to Iraq, wouldn't you? I would!
Lol, would like to think that a psychiatrist could recognise the signs.
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Is it just me that is disturbed that a psychiatrist can go nuts and kill a load of people
If you were about to be deployed to Iraq, wouldn't you? I would!
Lol, would like to think that a psychiatrist could recognise the signs.
Doctors make the worst patients
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Is it just me that is disturbed that a psychiatrist can go nuts and kill a load of people
If you were about to be deployed to Iraq, wouldn't you? I would!
I would too..some years ago worked for a temporary project near the iraq border for 1.5 month.. Even the conditions were much better and incomparable , I wouldnt stay there for any money :(
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas.
"There are unconfirmed reports that Major Hasan was a convert to Islam and originally from Virginia. He was reportedly scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan and was unhappy about it.
It goes without saying that the fact that the shooter was a Muslim will turn this into a gigantic story."
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-major-malik-nadal-hasan-identified-as-primary-shooter-at-fort-hood-2009-11
Very serious indeed :( :(
Disregarding the muslim element of this thread....
Gun law in the U.S........is incredibly lax....previous Republican administrations........who are paid large amounts of money .....by the all powerful gun lobby (especially the NRA).....have seen to that. :-/ :-/ ;)
Whether it is lax or not has approximately the square root of bugger all to do with the incident. Shooter was a member of the military and, as others have said, soldiers routinely carry firearms as part of their daily business, as do others in firearms tight countries such as Japan. The US constitution has hee haw to do with it.
As per Zulu, I have carried and deployed with assorted firearms over the years varying from close protection weapons to long way away widow makers and all points inbetween. Also an active shooter in my personal time.
Shooter involved will no doubt be subject to comprehensive scrutiny, as will any and all members of the military, in the US and elsewhere. Just shows how extreme and controvertial the battle currently ongoing is.....
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It has been reported that this major, along with other soldiers on the base do NOT routinely carry army weapons. The major in question is believed to have used his privately owned automatic pistol, with numerous clips of bullets being used, to shoot his comrades.
Therefore the American gun laws certainly DO come into this matter. ;) ;)
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It has been reported that this major, along with other soldiers on the base do NOT routinely carry army weapons. The major in question is believed to have used his privately owned automatic pistol, with numerous clips of bullets being used, to shoot his comrades.
Therefore the American gun laws certainly DO come into this matter. ;) ;)
Well, I am pretty sure that, even if he did use a privately-owned weapon, he would have had little difficulty in getting hold of an army weapon if required. That aside, I believe that the gun law issue is a sideshow in this case. It was clear that the shooter was acting in a premeditated way and gun laws, no matter how tight, cannot prevent someone determined to carry out such an attack from obtaining one. The real issue for me, especially after the Afghan attack on UK solidiers earlier this week, is how can any organisation (Afghan Army, US Army) weed out those who would cause harm. Distrust within service ranks is a most serious issue, IMHO. That, to me, is the crux of the matter. :-/ :-/
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guns don't kill people, Americans kill people :(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8348249.stm
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guns don't kill people, Americans kill people :(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8348249.stm
The irony, of course, is that even with our tight gun laws this doesn't even make the headlines:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8348152.stm
"A post-mortem test gave the cause of death as a gunshot to the chest."
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