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Title: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 11:31:48
An ex-work colleague....is thinking of selling his second hand VW Phaeton. ::)
It is a 6 litre W12....(I thought that they were V12.....shows how little I know.)on a 2005 ...55 plate.
It has covered about 80,000 miles....and he  is looking at about £9000-£10,000.
It reminds me of the Omega ......in some ways.....A premium product with a budget badge. ::) ::).....which could explain the horrendous depreciation....about £70,000 when new.
It is a large beast .......much bigger than a Omega.....but it would suit the Optimist family needs .........with the exception of fuel and spare part costs. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Your opinions please...... :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 November 2009, 11:34:28
You're too tight to run it, you just want it for posing value.

Come on admit, you know I'm right.  ::) ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: webby23 on 08 November 2009, 11:37:04
Sounds like a fabulous car, but would i want to run one using my own money.....

....errrr.....no thanks !!!!

 :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 11:39:09
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You're too tight to run it, you just want it for posing value.

Come on admit, you know I'm right.  ::) ;D ;D :y

Very astute Skruntie...... ;D ;D ;D
But you get a lot of car for the money.
Insurance is not a problem.......due to my advanced age... :) :) :) ;)

Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 11:40:53
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Sounds like a fabulous car, but would i want to run one using my own money.....
....errrr.....no thanks !!!!

 :y
.....about 15 MPG..........provided you don't put your foot down.. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 November 2009, 11:41:31
Group 20 Insurance
6 to 18 mpg
444 bhp
400 road tax
wouldnt like to price the tyres or exhaust.

Impressive numbers.
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: tunnie on 08 November 2009, 11:43:53
Its basically a Bentley with a VW badge, so its going to have Bently running costs.

I too was tempted by them, until i found out, if 1 shock fails, all 4 need to be replaced at a cost of 3k  :o
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 11:47:01
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Group 20 Insurance
6 to 18 mpg
444 bhp

Impressive numbers.


This could become expensive....
the Diesel.... and smaller pertrol versions .......cost less to buy new......but are worth more on the second hand market........
Probably due to the heavy running costs of the bigger engine... :-/ :-/ :-/

Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 11:50:18
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Its basically a Bentley with a VW badge, so its going to have Bently running costs.

I too was tempted by them, until i found out, if 1 shock fails, all 4 need to be replaced at a cost of 3k  :o


Jesus ...Tunnie.......that is one whole....... immaculate........ 3.2 Elite..... :'( :'( :'( :'(....(yet more tears)
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: tunnie on 08 November 2009, 11:53:01
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Its basically a Bentley with a VW badge, so its going to have Bently running costs.

I too was tempted by them, until i found out, if 1 shock fails, all 4 need to be replaced at a cost of 3k  :o


Jesus ...Tunnie.......that is one whole....... immaculate........ 3.2 Elite..... :'( :'( :'( :'(....(yet more tears)

Can't remember who said it, someone with experiance of them. Something due to the type of shock setup or something  :-/

Also the W12 engine is so huge, most work means the engine has to come out  :'(

Think it would be cheaper in the long run to get the 3.2 V6 or TDi
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 11:57:39
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Its basically a Bentley with a VW badge, so its going to have Bently running costs.

I too was tempted by them, until i found out, if 1 shock fails, all 4 need to be replaced at a cost of 3k  :o


Jesus ...Tunnie.......that is one whole....... immaculate........ 3.2 Elite..... :'( :'( :'( :'(....(yet more tears)

Can't remember who said it, someone with experiance of them. Something due to the type of shock setup or something  :-/

Also the W12 engine is so huge, most work means the engine has to come out  :'(

Think it would be cheaper in the long run to get the 3.2 V6 or TDi

Agreed.......but as said......they seem to cost more on the used market......pity really ....as it is a lovely car that appears to be made from Granite...(almost 2400KG)......fat bastard that it is..... :y :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: tunnie on 08 November 2009, 11:58:40
yeah it makes the Omega look small  ;D
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 12:04:18
Anyone who paid £70,000....for a VW. ::)........only 4 or 5 years ago.........that is now only worth £10,000......or even less......must be crazy....(or Forrest Gump) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: steverubberduck on 08 November 2009, 12:27:30
I do like them, i remember when they did the test on top gear, something about a 50p piece on the bonnet not moving at 100mph on the rollers?
Also, i do like the W12 engine, something about 2 V6's mmmmm  :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 12:51:46
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I do like them, i remember when they did the test on top gear, something about a 50p piece on the bonnet not moving at 100mph on the rollers?
Also, i do like the W12 engine, something about 2 V6's mmmmm  :y

Yep......I heard that ........two Golf VR6/CorradoVR6..........bolted together.......Is that correct?.  :y :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: steverubberduck on 08 November 2009, 12:55:49
that's what they said on tg  :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: KillerWatt on 08 November 2009, 20:26:19
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Group 20 Insurance
6 to 18 mpg
444 bhp

Impressive numbers.


This could become expensive....
the Diesel.... and smaller pertrol versions .......cost less to buy new......but are worth more on the second hand market........
Probably due to the heavy running costs of the bigger engine... :-/ :-/ :-/

You might as well buy a 350 (or bigger) Yank.
Same fuel cost of course, but at least spare parts are a case of "one fits all", insurance is dirt cheap, generating extra horses is dirt cheap, and ANYBODY (so inclined) can work on them with bugger all tools.
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2009, 20:32:28
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Group 20 Insurance
6 to 18 mpg
444 bhp

Impressive numbers.


This could become expensive....
the Diesel.... and smaller pertrol versions .......cost less to buy new......but are worth more on the second hand market........
Probably due to the heavy running costs of the bigger engine... :-/ :-/ :-/

You might as well buy a 350 (or bigger) Yank.
Same fuel cost of course, but at least spare parts are a case of "one fits all", insurance is dirt cheap, generating extra horses is dirt cheap, and ANYBODY (so inclined) can work on them with bugger all tools.

I guess that you are talking cubic inches here KW....350......is about......just short of 6 litres...(I think).... :y :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 08 November 2009, 20:59:32
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Group 20 Insurance
6 to 18 mpg
444 bhp

Impressive numbers.


This could become expensive....
the Diesel.... and smaller pertrol versions .......cost less to buy new......but are worth more on the second hand market........
Probably due to the heavy running costs of the bigger engine... :-/ :-/ :-/

You might as well buy a 350 (or bigger) Yank.
Same fuel cost of course, but at least spare parts are a case of "one fits all", insurance is dirt cheap, generating extra horses is dirt cheap, and ANYBODY (so inclined) can work on them with bugger all tools.

I guess that you are talking cubic inches here KW....350......is about......just short of 6 litres...(I think).... :y :y

5735cc to be precise, have had 2 of em and still consider annother , but maybe 400CUi (6600cc) next time.   :y :y  Hence the multi car policy.   :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 08 November 2009, 21:08:47
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Group 20 Insurance
6 to 18 mpg
444 bhp

Impressive numbers.


This could become expensive....
the Diesel.... and smaller pertrol versions .......cost less to buy new......but are worth more on the second hand market........
Probably due to the heavy running costs of the bigger engine... :-/ :-/ :-/

You might as well buy a 350 (or bigger) Yank.
Same fuel cost of course, but at least spare parts are a case of "one fits all", insurance is dirt cheap, generating extra horses is dirt cheap, and ANYBODY (so inclined) can work on them with bugger all tools
.

agreed.. part prices not logical for that car.. and DIY also not easy..
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: STMO999 on 08 November 2009, 21:11:14
A car like that would be great for the first few months. But, once the novelty value wore off, you would probably sell it for half what you paid, if you could get it.
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Tony H on 08 November 2009, 23:50:31
Hang the expence "give the cat a kipper"! :)
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 09 November 2009, 08:27:32

Aah the allure of the large expensive vehicle that's now within reach thanks to depreciation.

I would indeed be tempted but then the need to consider maintenance would soon dissipate that desire.  A shame.


Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 November 2009, 08:27:48
You could get a slightly older Bentley for that sort of money......and that does not have an inferior badge on it
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 09 November 2009, 10:02:35
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You could get a slightly older Bentley for that sort of money......and that does not have an inferior badge on it

erm..

here we can see Bentley only in our dreams  ;D

its 1998 model and check the price!!!

http://www.sahibinden.com/bentley_continental_r-75WQQaXQQ16947202WQQpXQQdisplayitem
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 November 2009, 11:23:27
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You could get a slightly older Bentley for that sort of money......and that does not have an inferior badge on it



.........a Mulsanne Turbo......from the eighties.....perhaps..... ::) :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 November 2009, 11:31:04
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You could get a slightly older Bentley for that sort of money......and that does not have an inferior badge on it



.........a Mulsanne Turbo......from the eighties.....perhaps..... ::) :D :D ;)

Nah, you can pick up early 90's cars for around 10 grand....or even a Roller...
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: webby23 on 09 November 2009, 19:13:12
How about this one............

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLKSWAGEN-Phaeton-3-2-V6_W0QQitemZ120484432066QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item1c0d6e88c2

 :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 November 2009, 19:27:12
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How about this one............

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLKSWAGEN-Phaeton-3-2-V6_W0QQitemZ120484432066QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item1c0d6e88c2




 :y


Thanks Webby........I like them.....as Albitz has said....understated in appearance......This one £3-£4000.......over my budget...sadly.. :'(
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: webby23 on 09 November 2009, 19:30:08
Give em another year or two mate and they will be giving em away......

Maybe a Mig replacement if parts can be obtained reasonably.....

Fuel consumption shouldnt be far from what I am getting now......

 :y
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: lozzy on 09 November 2009, 19:46:12
the pheaton is number 3 in my list above it are A8 an the Phantom in the big car list :)

its a pretty incredible car all the gadgets and a silky w12 mmmmm
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Amigo on 09 November 2009, 20:16:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JOtQ3m0kUY&feature=PlayList&p=6B566954525308AF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55
  Top gear did a better one but i can't find it. ::)
Title: Re: Phaeton ....Opinions please
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 November 2009, 20:26:06
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JOtQ3m0kUY&feature=PlayList&p=6B566954525308AF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55
  Top gear did a better one but i can't find it. ::)

Thanks Amigo.......Not a very well prepared test car.
It really is huge too....... :y :y :y