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Title: Vowels
Post by: STMO999 on 18 November 2009, 14:58:47
No, Pete, vowels.

My lad keeps going on about them. His teacher says a word must have a vowel and I say No. Rhythm, tryst, crypt etc.

Then I come across this:

http://www.phonicsontheweb.com/y-roles.php

ARRGGHH!
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: Gaffers on 18 November 2009, 15:00:47
Be careful of what 'official' info you find on the web, some portray opinions as fact.  Try and find it from a more reliable source (Not wikipedia ffs)
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: Richie London on 18 November 2009, 15:45:17
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No, Pete, vowels.

My lad keeps going on about them. His teacher says a word must have a vowel and I say No. Rhythm, tryst, crypt etc.

Then I come across this:

http://www.phonicsontheweb.com/y-roles.php

ARRGGHH!


shy  :y
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: jereboam on 18 November 2009, 15:49:26
"Phonics" is what primary school teachers use to "educate" the hordes of illiterate yobs that go on to secondary school. >:(
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: jerry on 18 November 2009, 19:07:16
With a 6yr old I'm getting versed in the new teaching methods for maths and literacy and tbh, whilst some of it is a lot different than the ways I was taught (and I don't just mean that lsd used to mean something else besides acid back then!),I can see the logic in a lot of it including phonics. On the otherhand, whilst I accept that any language is a living thing and grows and mutates with various influences, surely that does not mean changing the basic rules. Personally I agree with others about the credability of claiming that "Y" can be genuinely classed as a vowel in the absence of "a e i o u" even though it may appear to perform that function in the word. :-/
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: STMO999 on 18 November 2009, 19:24:30
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With a 6yr old I'm getting versed in the new teaching methods for maths and literacy and tbh, whilst some of it is a lot different than the ways I was taught (and I don't just mean that lsd used to mean something else besides acid back then!),I can see the logic in a lot of it including phonics. On the otherhand, whilst I accept that any language is a living thing and grows and mutates with various influences, surely that does not mean changing the basic rules. Personally I agree with others about the credability of claiming that "Y" can be genuinely classed as a vowel in the absence of "a e i o u" even though it may appear to perform that function in the word. :-/


I seem to remember, though from god knows where, that it was classed as a surrogate vowel. My lad is pretty quick on the uptake, so just accepts it and moves on. But I can't. ;D
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: albitz on 18 November 2009, 19:26:27
send him to school in Wales,they,ve never heard of vowels there. :y ;D ;D
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: STMO999 on 18 November 2009, 19:31:33
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send him to school in Wales,they,ve never heard of vowels there. :y ;D ;D


OH DEBS!!!!!
Title: Re: Vowels
Post by: Martin_1962 on 18 November 2009, 19:43:39
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With a 6yr old I'm getting versed in the new teaching methods for maths and literacy and tbh, whilst some of it is a lot different than the ways I was taught (and I don't just mean that lsd used to mean something else besides acid back then!),I can see the logic in a lot of it including phonics. On the otherhand, whilst I accept that any language is a living thing and grows and mutates with various influences, surely that does not mean changing the basic rules. Personally I agree with others about the credability of claiming that "Y" can be genuinely classed as a vowel in the absence of "a e i o u" even though it may appear to perform that function in the word. :-/


Yes

Limited
Slip
Differential :y