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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: LJay on 28 November 2009, 18:37:42
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My car has nearly gone up in smoke!!!!
We heard a strange noise coming from outside, went out to investigate and found it to be a very poorly sounding alarm noise from my car!!!
Lifted the bonnet to disconnect the power sounder and was greeted by smoke, shortly followed by flames!!!
Fire brigade called out by which time Jimbob had put the fire out and worked out that the power sounder batteries had failed and leaked acid, hence fire!
The car hadn't been driven for 24 hours! Scary that something like that could happen to a cold car!! Thankfully I wasnt out with the kids in at as happens daily!!
Fire brigade arrived and checked the car over, filled in their report and left!
Jimbob now surveying damage, how scared were we, the car was inches from the front door!
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good to hear nothing serious happened to you and kids :y
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Thanks Cem,
Looks like only the power sounder is damaged, so car lives to fight another day!
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Scary news indeed L, could have been much worse - glad everyone is safe :y :y
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Thanks Cem,
Looks like only the power sounder is damaged, so car lives to fight another day!
power sounder can be changed , but you are not :y
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Power sounder is a useless piece of kit. I disconnected it on both of my omegas.
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I've suspected the power sounder to be the cause when I've seen reports of fires in this area in the past. :(
The permanent feed is fused only by an 80 amp fusible link, IIRC, - yet the wire in the loom I wouldn't trust with over 5 amps.
I would advise anyone with a power sounder over 5 years old in their car to either remove it, replace it, replace the batteries in it or fit some inline fuse holders.
I hope the damage is not severe. :'(
Kevin
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:o Oh dear-Lord, Ljay!!!! :o
I`m so thankful you weren`t driving or had the 'tiddlers' in the car at the time; `hope the damage is not too serious? :-/
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There have been a few posts on the forum from people whos car has gone up in smoke in the same place. Good thing is everyone and the car is OK. :y
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What an episode!
So yes...sat watching starwars when we hear the strangled yelp of a car screaming for help.
Open and start it to try and turn off the alarm.....then see the smoke.
pop the bonnet....lots of smoke, and some little flames....SHIIIIIIITE
Ljay ran in to keep the kids out the way, and call the fire dept out.
I scratch my head for 10 seconds, and grabbed the hose and managed to put it out & Disconnect the battery.
Had the scuttle off by the time the fire crew arrived who checked it was out, and did a little report.
I finished dismantling it all, and made the wires safe, not winning dismantling the sounder....all sealed....any clues?
As has been said, lucky we were there to sort it!
So my advice to you all....is disconnect those sounders, I personally don't want something that can go up in flames like that connected to the car! There is enough neccessary things, without a dodgy alarm siren.
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Will put the car back together in the morning....
Luckily only the powersounder wires appear damaged, will check properly when its light.
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I scratch my head for 10 seconds, and grabbed the hose and managed to put it out & Disconnect the battery.
Water on an electrical fire :o :o
Very lucky there, seen quite a few pre-facelifts catch fire there, good job you were at home and heard it!
Glad i ripped the power sounder out of ours
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Water on an electrical fire :o :o
Nothing wrong with water on a (12 volt ;) ) electrical fire.
Kevin
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It did cross my mind.....but weighed up writing car off, versus house it was next too....i wanted those flames gone.
I 'knew' what is was....so was prepared to use water....had it been ecu side....would have probabaly waited for firemen
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Water on an electrical fire :o :o
Nothing wrong with water on a (12 volt ;) ) electrical fire.
Kevin
Fair do's i was always told that never to use water, but foam related extinguishers on any electrical fire no matter how small.
But in the heat of the moment, with the car so close to the house, i think i would have done the same.
Where they original batteries or replacements?
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Spooky that Jimbob only yesterday you advised Merlindriver about fooked power sounder batteries :o.
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Water on an electrical fire :o :o
Nothing wrong with water on a (12 volt ;) ) electrical fire.
Kevin
Fair do's i was always told that never to use water, but foam related extinguishers on any electrical fire no matter how small.
But in the heat of the moment, with the car so close to the house, i think i would have done the same.
Where they original batteries or replacements?
dont appear to be replaceable on this, filled with gell, look to be 2x AA or AAA size
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Spooky that Jimbob only yesterday you advised Merlindriver about fooked power sounder batteries :o.
I know! will advise a little differently in the future!
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Power sounder is a useless piece of kit. I disconnected it on both of my omegas.
:y Yep, pointless pain in the proverbial.
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Power sounder is a useless piece of kit. I disconnected it on both of my omegas.
:y Yep, pointless pain in the proverbial.
Lets be fair....When they were new at £30000 or whatever....I would have been glad of a powersounder in the alarm...
at 10+ years old and £1000 tops.....less important ;D
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Wow Ljay, that was too close a call!! :o :o :o
Very glad no one was hurt :y :y. Certainly a lesson for all of us on checking / replacing the power sounder! ;) ;)
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Sounds like a very scary situation. I too will be checking mine tomorrow.
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I am pleased that worked out OK for you :y a little bit of excitement for the little ones too, did they see the Fire Engine........ ;D
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What an episode!
So yes...sat watching starwars when we hear the strangled yelp of a car screaming for help.
Open and start it to try and turn off the alarm.....then see the smoke.
pop the bonnet....lots of smoke, and some little flames....SHIIIIIIITE
Ljay ran in to keep the kids out the way, and call the fire dept out.
I scratch my head for 10 seconds, and grabbed the hose and managed to put it out & Disconnect the battery.
Had the scuttle off by the time the fire crew arrived who checked it was out, and did a little report.
I finished dismantling it all, and made the wires safe, not winning dismantling the sounder....all sealed....any clues?
As has been said, lucky we were there to sort it!
So my advice to you all....is disconnect those sounders, I personally don't want something that can go up in flames like that connected to the car! There is enough neccessary things, without a dodgy alarm siren.
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It's supposed to be replaced as a unit. There are a few people who say they've got it apart and replaced the batteries but that one looks too far gone. Like I said earlier, one security measure too far.
Your only problem, as far as I can see, is that there's a gaping hole where it should be. Could cause problems in the case of an insurance claim. You could get one off a a scrapper I suppose, but I wouldn't bother wiring it in.
After being annoyed by the incessant beeping with my two omegas, I just disconnected them and forgot them.
Glad everyone is OK :y Well, actually, I probably would have laughed, a bit, if Ljay had her eyebrows singed. :)
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
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Sorry to hear & see what happened , Glad everyone is ok tho ..
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
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Water on an electrical fire :o :o
Nothing wrong with water on a (12 volt ;) ) electrical fire.
Kevin
Fair do's i was always told that never to use water, but foam related extinguishers on any electrical fire no matter how small.
But in the heat of the moment, with the car so close to the house, i think i would have done the same.
Where they original batteries or replacements?
I think you'll find that the word "small" applies to the size of the flames, not the voltage feeding it.
As Kev says, throw any oxygen retardant you like at a 12/24V fire....just think twice when it involves 230V.
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
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Water on an electrical fire :o :o
Nothing wrong with water on a (12 volt ;) ) electrical fire.
Kevin
Fair do's i was always told that never to use water, but foam related extinguishers on any electrical fire no matter how small.
But in the heat of the moment, with the car so close to the house, i think i would have done the same.
Where they original batteries or replacements?
First thing the fire brigade do is spray all the electrical supplies in water when attending a factory type fire, easiest way of making the building electrically safe.
That is of course if our fire attenders even bother to fight the fire. I call them fire attenders as around here that is what they do I am afraid, just sit and watch it burn, useless lot.
And I am glad everone is ok :)
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
But, like I said, there should be something in there, other than a piece of charred metal or a rather big hole.
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
But, like I said, there should be something in there, other than a piece of charred metal or a rather big hole.
Its the scuttle drain, its mean to be a hole! ;D ;D
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
If the company involved doesn't want to pay out (and let's face it, I can't think of one that does pay willingly), then you can bet your 'dangle berries' that once they see a wire to the alarm system has been cut (and yes, you can see that AFTER a fire), then your insurance could well be null & void (on the basis you told them the car had a completely standard factory alarm that hasn't been modded).
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It's supposed to be replaced as a unit. There are a few people who say they've got it apart and replaced the batteries but that one looks too far gone. Like I said earlier, one security measure too far.
Your only problem, as far as I can see, is that there's a gaping hole where it should be. Could cause problems in the case of an insurance claim. You could get one off a a scrapper I suppose, but I wouldn't bother wiring it in.
After being annoyed by the incessant beeping with my two omegas, I just disconnected them and forgot them.
Glad everyone is OK :y Well, actually, I probably would have laughed, a bit, if Ljay had her eyebrows singed. :)
Oy! I wouldn't have, I only just shaped them!!!! :P :P :P
Cheeky Sod!!! :P
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I've suspected the power sounder to be the cause when I've seen reports of fires in this area in the past. :(
The permanent feed is fused only by an 80 amp fusible link, IIRC, - yet the wire in the loom I wouldn't trust with over 5 amps.
I would advise anyone with a power sounder over 5 years old in their car to either remove it, replace it, replace the batteries in it or fit some inline fuse holders.
I hope the damage is not severe. :'(
Kevin
It is a very good idea kevin to fit an inline fuse,but which wire is it out of the four.Scary to think that two small batteries can do that,just be thankful l-jay that no one was injured.Happened to me once in my renault 21 turbo,as a live wire in the engine bay was earthing on the body and melting the fuel line,and just caught it before it went right through,otherwise i would not have been here now probably. :o
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Came the inevitable, useless response!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
But, like I said, there should be something in there, other than a piece of charred metal or a rather big hole.
Its the scuttle drain, its mean to be a hole! ;D ;D
I give up with you. I think there's a rather hole between your ears sometimes. I have a very good memory, and if you care to trawl back a few years, you'll find that I was one of the first to post about this problem, and you were one of the first to follow up on the advice given. All of a sudden, you're the expert.
This was about the time when people were explaining to you what an engine was.
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Take it jim has a flatulence problem then. ;D
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Came the inevitable, useless response!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
One aims to be consistent :y ;D :D
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
But, like I said, there should be something in there, other than a piece of charred metal or a rather big hole.
Its the scuttle drain, its mean to be a hole! ;D ;D
I give up with you. I think there's a rather hole between your ears sometimes. I have a very good memory, and if you care to trawl back a few years, you'll find that I was one the first to post about this problem, and you were one of the first to follow up on the advice given. All of a sudden, you're the expert.
This was about the time when people were explaining to you what an engine was.
:-X ;D
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Scary to think that two small batteries can do that
Pop a standard battery in to one of those chargers that you get when you buy the 4x AA rechargeable batteries.
Not only will the resultant explosion pretty much f**k the socket the charger as well as the socket it is plugged in to, there is also a very good chance it will remove 6" or so of "wall" around the socket if your house is a recent new build.
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Take it jim has a flatulence problem then. ;D
is the Dead Sea a little unwell??? ;D ;D ;D
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Take it jim has a flatulence problem then. ;D
Where have you been if thats passed you by???? :o :o :o ;D
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
If the company involved doesn't want to pay out (and let's face it, I can't think of one that does pay willingly), then you can bet your 'dangle berries' that once they see a wire to the alarm system has been cut (and yes, you can see that AFTER a fire), then your insurance could well be null & void (on the basis you told them the car had a completely standard factory alarm that hasn't been modded).
But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Take it jim has a flatulence problem then. ;D
No problem... It just comes out :D :D :D
Glad all went well in the end Ljay/Jimbob... Well done for the quick reactions :y :y
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Take it jim has a flatulence problem then. ;D
Jimbob doesn't have any problem with flatulence, others around him however...
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I have this mental image of Jimbob trying to put out the fire whilst clenching his bum cheeks so as to prevent a major gas explosion.
Take it jim has a flatulence problem then. ;D
Where have you been if thats passed you by???? :o :o :o ;D
Cant really hear or smell him over the internet l-jay luck enough. :D ;D
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But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
You can absolutely, 100%, guarantee you won't have a fire after disconnecting the power sounder?
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Something doesn't ring right here T.
I find it very hard to believe that the man who earns £250 per day drives a car valued at £750 (even if he still lives at home with parents in order to save money).
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But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
You can absolutely, 100%, guarantee you won't have a fire after disconnecting the power sounder?
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Something doesn't ring right here T.
I find it very hard to believe that the man who earns £250 per day drives a car valued at £750 (even if he still lives at home with parents in order to save money).
why not?
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But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
You can absolutely, 100%, guarantee you won't have a fire after disconnecting the power sounder?
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Something doesn't ring right here T.
I find it very hard to believe that the man who earns £250 per day drives a car valued at £750 (even if he still lives at home with parents in order to save money).
Believe it. I have savings for a house deposit, (way into 5 figures)
Why should i spend £300 a month on a car loan? :-/ + fuel + tax + maintenance?
My 'toy' this year was my '06 plate BMW GS which i bought out-right.
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But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
You can absolutely, 100%, guarantee you won't have a fire after disconnecting the power sounder?
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Something doesn't ring right here T.
I find it very hard to believe that the man who earns £250 per day drives a car valued at £750 (even if he still lives at home with parents in order to save money).
Believe it. I have savings for a house deposit, (way into 5 figures)
Why should i spend £300 a month on a car loan? :-/ + fuel + tax + maintenance?
My 'toy' this year was my '06 plate BMW GS which i bought out-right.
You're doing the right thing :y
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But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
You can absolutely, 100%, guarantee you won't have a fire after disconnecting the power sounder?
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Something doesn't ring right here T.
I find it very hard to believe that the man who earns £250 per day drives a car valued at £750 (even if he still lives at home with parents in order to save money).
I used to drive in a £100 banger - no problem to me
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But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
You can absolutely, 100%, guarantee you won't have a fire after disconnecting the power sounder?
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Something doesn't ring right here T.
I find it very hard to believe that the man who earns £250 per day drives a car valued at £750 (even if he still lives at home with parents in order to save money).
Personally I would never judge someone's wealth by the car they drive. I no a millionaire who drives a 1988 cavalier estate, and his wife a 1980 golf cabrio.
I am more inclined to believe people who drive flash things like subaru and bmw are the poor people, because they are so unhappy with there position in life they have to drive down the road trying to imprees people they don't no and probably never will no, and have put themselves in debt for it aswell.
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my 2.2 really is feeling good on these long motorway runs, sure its not got the pace of the V6, but bang on the cruise at 80, and its silent, smooooooth, comfy, VERY comfy.
Lets look at the other options of big RWD motors. I am 6ft4 so i don't fit well in an Astra.
BMW 5/7's - I like the new 5's but would need to spend 7-10k on the one i want. It will only depreciate in value.
Rover 75 V8 - I like the idea, but i don't have my own BP account ::)
Merc E/S Class - I may drive old man cars but not that old yet, besides Omega is more reliable.
Audi A8 - Nice, very nice cars, but even i would struggle to afford to pay the bills ;D
300C - Nice big fat American car, good possible replacement for the Omega, but not yet, value is still on free-fall, another 2-4 years yet.
Honda Ledgend (latest shape) same as above
The Omega (even a 4 pot) is hard to beat, i paid 2.7k for it over 4 years ago, it just happens to be worth 750 quid now
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my 2.2 really is feeling good on these long motorway runs, sure its not got the pace of the V6, but bang on the cruise at 80, and its silent, smooooooth, comfy, VERY comfy.
Lets look at the other options of big RWD motors. I am 6ft4 so i don't fit well in an Astra.
BMW 5/7's - I like the new 5's but would need to spend 7-10k on the one i want. It will only depreciate in value.
Rover 75 V8 - I like the idea, but i don't have my own BP account ::)
Merc E/S Class - I may drive old man cars but not that old yet, besides Omega is more reliable.
Audi A8 - Nice, very nice cars, but even i would struggle to afford to pay the bills ;D
300C - Nice big fat American car, good possible replacement for the Omega, but not yet, value is still on free-fall, another 2-4 years yet.
Honda Ledgend (latest shape) same as above
The Omega (even a 4 pot) is hard to beat, i paid 2.7k for it over 4 years ago, it just happens to be worth 750 quid now
What?? ;D ;D ;D Not big. Not RWD.
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Hope all goes well :y
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
If the company involved doesn't want to pay out (and let's face it, I can't think of one that does pay willingly), then you can bet your 'dangle berries' that once they see a wire to the alarm system has been cut (and yes, you can see that AFTER a fire), then your insurance could well be null & void (on the basis you told them the car had a completely standard factory alarm that hasn't been modded).
But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Actually for those of us that don't live at home whilst earning lots of money (Those of us that live in the big scary real world), it is a big deal! ;)
Ultimately its not about the money its a heads up as to what can happen to your car, I wouldn't have expected it to catch fire after being stood for 24 hours. It's a cautionary tale! :y
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Mega snip.....
Actually for those of us that don't live at home whilst earning lots of money (Those of us that live in the big scary real world), it is a big deal! ;)
Ultimately its not about the money its a heads up as to what can happen to your car, I wouldn't have expected it to catch fire after being stood for 24 hours. It's a cautionary tale! :y
Agreed. Irrespective of the ins and outs of what you could/should/dont do after the event, its worthwhile to check and see if the sounder gubbins is spewing its puddens inside and isolate/replace, if possible, to avoid the very situation you ended up in LJay/Jimbob...... ;)
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i think someone would have to really know their stuff to look for a power sounder on the Omega, if you have a smash, are they really going to try and get the scuttle off to check its there? :-/
If its nicked, you won't be getting it back anyway. Removal is the best option IMO.
Omegas are worthless and no one wants to steal them, if scumbag wants to get to his crack house, he will steal a 1995 Fiesta, much easier.
If a second scumbag wants to steal to sell on, no way will he pick an Omega, he will go next door for that BMW. ;D
Insurance assessors can be a PITA
Cut off the lead for the sounder at the base of the loom, seal with black insulating tape. No one will notice, if you have a front or rear end smash they are not going to be interested in the alarm.
If the company involved doesn't want to pay out (and let's face it, I can't think of one that does pay willingly), then you can bet your 'dangle berries' that once they see a wire to the alarm system has been cut (and yes, you can see that AFTER a fire), then your insurance could well be null & void (on the basis you told them the car had a completely standard factory alarm that hasn't been modded).
But there will be no fire, with the power sender removed there won't be one.
And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
Actually for those of us that don't live at home whilst earning lots of money (Those of us that live in the big scary real world), it is a big deal! ;)
Ultimately its not about the money its a heads up as to what can happen to your car, I wouldn't have expected it to catch fire after being stood for 24 hours. It's a cautionary tale! :y
Looking at the state of the battery, its possible it could have caught fire whilst on the road :o
Main thing everyone is safe :y
I still find it difficult to believe a removed power sounder would be noticed, its up to them to prove you did it as well. Whats to stop you saying you bought it that way?
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I still find it difficult to believe a removed power sounder would be noticed, its up to them to prove you did it as well. Whats to stop you saying you bought it that way?
Agree, sort of.... Insurance assesors look at many cars, both crashed and burnt (sometimes both at the same time...) and perhaps they will not recall the exact specifics of each model.
Be assured, however, if there is a reason to examine a car to the n-th degree then they will spot the anomoly and its upto you to answer the hard questions thereafter...... ;)
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" Has the car been modified in any way?"
"Has it got a standard manufacturer fitted alarm?"
Those two questions would be enough for them to refuse payment.
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Whats to stop you saying you bought it that way?
Nothing at all, but if you told the insurance company (in that recoreded phone call) the car (including the alarm system) is completely standard (which is what we all do), then they have room to wriggle.
These day you need to think carefully BEFORE you make a statement, because if you don't then it's odds on that it will come back at some point to bite you on the arse ;)
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" Has the car been modified in any way?"
Reply: Not in my ownership, and not to my knowledge by previous owners.
"Has it got a standard manufacturer fitted alarm?"
Yes.
Those two questions would be enough for them to refuse payment.
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" Has the car been modified in any way?"
Reply: Not in my ownership, and not to my knowledge by previous owners.
"Has it got a standard manufacturer fitted alarm?"
Yes.
Those two questions would be enough for them to refuse payment.
No it hasn't.
But enough already.
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" Has the car been modified in any way?"
Reply: Not in my ownership, and not to my knowledge by previous owners.
"Has it got a standard manufacturer fitted alarm?"
Yes.
Those two questions would be enough for them to refuse payment.
No it hasn't.
But enough already.
Horn still goes off ;D
It will be a grey area, its going to be difficult to advise future issues with it :-/
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Is the power sounder additional to any basic alarm then, given the horn works???
I have had 2 Migs over the last 9 years and have never heard an alarm go off in either of them......... :-/ :-/ :-/
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WOW, Scary stuff :o Glad you, jimbob and kids are all o.k. If not still in shock. Was there no indication of powersounder failing ,i.e. warning bleeps.
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WOW, Scary stuff :o Glad you, jimbob and kids are all o.k. If not still in shock. Was there no indication of powersounder failing ,i.e. warning bleeps.
Thank you! Absolutely no indication at all! First we knew was the alarm going off sounding very strange, yes, scary stuff indeed!!
The shock is the what ifs....what if we'd been out
What if the kids were in it, we went up the coast yesterday,
What if it had gone up on the petrol forecourt yesterday,
or, at work last night where another car blew up in the summer???
Think we just have to say we were very lucky!!!
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And if they don't pay out? Big deal, book price of my car is £750
You could end up liable for an awful lot more than that if your insurance company decides to wash their hands of you on a technicality.
Kevin
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WOW, Scary stuff :o Glad you, jimbob and kids are all o.k. If not still in shock. Was there no indication of powersounder failing ,i.e. warning bleeps.
Thank you! Absolutely no indication at all! First we knew was the alarm going off sounding very strange, yes, scary stuff indeed!!
The shock is the what ifs....what if we'd been out
What if the kids were in it, we went up the coast yesterday,
What if it had gone up on the petrol forecourt yesterday,
or, at work last night where another car blew up in the summer???
Think we just have to say we were very lucky!!!
Glad you're all OK. Nasty shock, that. :o :o
Tunnie posted earlier that he'd heard of a few pre-facelifts going up in flames because of this fault. Do I take it from his comments that facelifts are generally OK?
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Odds are that none are safe, could be an age thing? Certainly heard of more in pre facelifts but who knows???
I certainly won't be taking the chance again.
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Odds are that none are safe, could be an age thing? Certainly heard of more in pre facelifts but who knows???
I certainly won't be taking the chance again.
The ones on the facelifts I've seen are a different design, but they are equally prone to batteries leaking and the alarm malfunctioning. Whether they are as prone to combustion remains to be seen.
For a similar cost to a tyre every 5 years it would probably pay to just change it - or open it up and change the batteries if it's not a potted one like this example.
Kevin
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Shes back up and running with only a broken windscreen wiper to show for her big adventure! :y :y (and no power sounder obviously!!!) :y
Had a good clean out with an aircon bomb to get rid of some very pungent aromas! ::)
The dragon lives another day!!
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Shes back up and running with only a broken windscreen wiper to show for her big adventure! :y :y (and no power sounder obviously!!!) :y
Had a good clean out with an aircon bomb to get rid of some very pungent aromas! ::)
The dragon lives another day!!
;) Yay!......great news. :y
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Nice one Ljay :y So pleased you are all OK, & well done to Jimbob ;) :y :y :y
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Good news Ljay :y Now dont forget to check the OTHER batteries ;) :D :D
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Good news Ljay :y Now dont forget to check the OTHER batteries ;) :D :D
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Good news Ljay :y Now dont forget to check the OTHER batteries ;) :D :D
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If any of those batteris caught fire....it could really put the willies up you ;D
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On the strength of all this I've taken my one out and am looking at it at the moment - I wonder if this is the source of my problems :-/ :-/ ;D ;D
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On the strength of all this I've taken my own out and am looking at it at the moment - I wonder if this is the source of my problems :-/ :-/ ;D ;D
OO er mrs!!!!
Somethings just don't function without batteries!! ;) ;) ;) ;D
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On the strength of all this I've taken my own out and am looking at it at the moment - I wonder if this is the source of my problems :-/ :-/ ;D ;D
OO er mrs!!!!
Somethings just don't function without batteries!! ;) ;) ;) ;D
....am just wondering how to connect them up :y
...maybe I just need a recharge :y
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On the strength of all this I've taken my own out and am looking at it at the moment - I wonder if this is the source of my problems :-/ :-/ ;D ;D
OO er mrs!!!!
Somethings just don't function without batteries!! ;) ;) ;) ;D
....am just wondering how to connect them up :y
...maybe I just need a recharge :y
You and me both!!!! :y
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o oh, Mrs Bump, what happened?
Nothing too serious in the end but must have been a shock. Glad its turned out ok, could have been so much worse.
Firemans uniform for Jimbob for xmas i take it? :-)
Tbh though, didnt think power sounders catching fire was too much of a secret, rare, but not unknown..... And if you where to claim, surely as genuine a case as your ever likely to see?
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L-Jay / Jimbob,
Glad to know all are safe and the mig is back on road. Do we take a new maintaince guide will be out soon to help others replace the battery?
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L-Jay / Jimbob,
Glad to know all are safe and the mig is back on road. Do we take a new maintaince guide will be out soon to help others replace the battery?
there is a battery replacement guide....but not all sounders can have them replaced....such as this one, plus its somewhat melted :'(
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L-Jay / Jimbob,
Glad to know all are safe and the mig is back on road. Do we take a new maintaince guide will be out soon to help others replace the battery?
there is a battery replacement guide....but not all sounders can have them replaced....such as this one, plus its somewhat melted :'(
Given that instructions accompany every battery in the world as to the potential dangers if certain rules aren't observed, I'm surprised nobody has sued Vx as of yet given the current legislation that is in force.