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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: threppence on 09 December 2009, 15:44:39
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I'm speechless !!!!! >:(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8403273.stm
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Once ALL homes have "super fast broadband" will the tax stop?????????
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£6 a month i would be angry, but not £6 a year.....
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I thought that it was private companies and not the govt that installed cable etc and then charged a subscription fee for access.
Am I wrong??
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Scrappage scheme for your "household boiler" too. Should promote some interesting debate. ::)
Kevin
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This "stealth tax" is in my humble opinion, nothing to do with rolling out BB to rural areas.
Rather its to pay for parts of the much more scary and relatively unknown project requiring the retention by Internet Service Providers of details of who I send my emails to and when. Also the websites I visit, texts I send, phonecalls, VOIP... and anything else that they care to retain as well that may be outside the scope of the project but is planned for a future upgrade. Government will be able to access this remotely, without me knowing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm
Orwellian or what? :-/
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This "stealth tax" is in my humble opinion, nothing to do with rolling out BB to rural areas.
Rather its to pay for parts of the much more scary and relatively unknown project requiring the retention by Internet Service Providers of details of who I send my emails to and when. Also the websites I visit, texts I send, phonecalls, VOIP... and anything else that they care to retain as well that may be outside the scope of the project but is planned for a future upgrade. Government will be able to access this remotely, without me knowing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm
Orwellian or what? :-/
My daughter is doing 1984 as set text for english.Having read the book many years ago and re-read now it's quite chilling to be able to equate alot of Orwells masterpeice with current events
Endless war, big brother, slavery is freedom, thought crimes and newspeak.
Quite a visionary
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Scrappage scheme for your "household boiler" too. Should promote some interesting debate. ::)
Kevin
My one does the washing and ironing as well as making my work lunch pieces too..... Any of these new fangled models come complete with that attachment??
;D :P
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This "stealth tax" is in my humble opinion, nothing to do with rolling out BB to rural areas.
Rather its to pay for parts of the much more scary and relatively unknown project requiring the retention by Internet Service Providers of details of who I send my emails to and when. Also the websites I visit, texts I send, phonecalls, VOIP... and anything else that they care to retain as well that may be outside the scope of the project but is planned for a future upgrade. Government will be able to access this remotely, without me knowing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm
Orwellian or what? :-/
My daughter is doing 1984 as set text for english.Having read the book many years ago and re-read now it's quite chilling to be able to equate alot of Orwells masterpeice with current events
Endless war, big brother, slavery is freedom, thought crimes and newspeak.
Quite a visionary
So did I, 40 years ago!!! ;D
Suppose whats goes around comes around, in more ways than one.... ::)
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wtf sounds like another stealth tax to me
makes me mad and i dont pay uk taxes
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So did I, 40 years ago!!! ;D
Suppose whats goes around comes around, in more ways than one.... ::)
And me! It wasn't quite that long back for me, but 1984 was still in the future at the time! ;D ;D ;D
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And what do they define as a landline?
I've got cable telephone, which comes free with my package.
Mick
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£6 a month i would be angry, but not £6 a year.....
That is exactly the sort of attitude that brought us things like "safety" camera's, CRB checks (which mean f**k all), and a whole host of other crap that most of the populace readily accept these days (although it wouldn't have been tolerated 20 years ago).
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£6 a month i would be angry, but not £6 a year.....
That is exactly the sort of attitude that brought us things like "safety" camera's, CRB checks (which mean f**k all), and a whole host of other crap that most of the populace readily accept these days (although it wouldn't have been tolerated 20 years ago).
then it will rise again and again and again. just like petrol does. the taxman knows people cant live without broadband and cant do break all about it.
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Just two questions:
What do they mean by "superfast"?
Which 90% of the UK population?
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£6 a month i would be angry, but not £6 a year.....
That is exactly the sort of attitude that brought us things like "safety" camera's, CRB checks (which mean f**k all), and a whole host of other crap that most of the populace readily accept these days (although it wouldn't have been tolerated 20 years ago).
then it will rise again and again and again. just like petrol does. the taxman knows people cant live without broadband and cant do break all about it.
beer,wine,cigs,food some of the pleasures of the working man and what really friggs me off is when some bugger dies and leaves some wedge to someone they tax that ffs >:(
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then it will rise again and again and again. just like petrol does. the taxman knows people cant live without broadband and cant do break all about it.
Of course it will rise, and the reason it will rise is because the majority of the populace lack the gonads to stop the man from riding roughshod over them.
Why do we lack the nads we had (say) 30 years ago?
Simple....any form of protest was made illegal quite a while ago (unless it's the filth protesting over their wages).....think about it ;)
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Old people with a landline and no PC are paying for this - reeks of theft
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1984 is the nulab instruction manual.
As to IMP or whatever it is called - get an offshore email account.
Anyone notice that Darth Meddlesom has also granted himself more powers?
I would not be surprised if they tried to cancel the next election - this would mean civil war I think.
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1984 is the nulab instruction manual.
As to IMP or whatever it is called - get an offshore email account.
Anyone notice that Darth Meddlesom has also granted himself more powers?
I would not be surprised if they tried to cancel the next election - this would mean civil war I think.
It's long overdue (and very easily do-able), but no-one has the 'dangle berries' to stand up anymore.
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1984 is the nulab instruction manual.
As to IMP or whatever it is called - get an offshore email account.
Anyone notice that Darth Meddlesom has also granted himself more powers?
I would not be surprised if they tried to cancel the next election - this would mean civil war I think.
It's long overdue (and very easily do-able), but no-one has the 'dangle berries' to stand up anymore.
That I don't know - screw enough people and it will happen.
I am actually starting to get political over this - reading up on the parties ect, all parties have some good policies.
As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
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Unfortunately what can you do but ignore new laws, make it difficult to track what you do?
All I can think of worth doing is what the Jedi do best - I think you know what I mean and who I mean. :-X :-X
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As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
If the public kicked off properly, there aren't enough old bill & military (who have shit guns, no boots, and no bullets) to stop it.
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As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
If the public kicked off properly, there aren't enough old bill & military (who have shit guns, no boots, and no bullets) to stop it.
Ask the military members on here - I think they would possibly lead!
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then it will rise again and again and again. just like petrol does. the taxman knows people cant live without broadband and cant do break all about it.
Of course it will rise, and the reason it will rise is because the majority of the populace lack the gonads to stop the man from riding roughshod over them.
Why do we lack the nads we had (say) 30 years ago?
Simple....any form of protest was made illegal quite a while ago (unless it's the filth protesting over their wages).....think about it ;)
And what did they do any different to any one else, other than protest march? Didn't withdraw their labour, i.e. strike. Police, like the military and unlike fire and ambulance, cannot strike.... But the rank & file can...
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I think that Fire and Ambulance being able to strike is wrong.
However I also feel that people in these positions should be paid what they are worth.
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As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
If the public kicked off properly, there aren't enough old bill & military (who have shit guns, no boots, and no bullets) to stop it.
Ask the military members on here - I think they would possibly lead!
If we are talking full balls on scenario, they would be daft at the very least if they decided to side with their paymasters.
While they would have the advantage of certain skills (ie, battle planning), you have to bear in mind that....
1. More than a fair number of Joe Public (and most definately "subversive" party leaders) are also capable of strategic planning.
Also add in to the equation that the protecting force will be bound by god knows how many EU & PC regulations regarding how they do the job, while the "subversive" won't give a toss......the outcome is obvious IMO.
2. The physical headcount (government forces vs public).
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then it will rise again and again and again. just like petrol does. the taxman knows people cant live without broadband and cant do break all about it.
Of course it will rise, and the reason it will rise is because the majority of the populace lack the gonads to stop the man from riding roughshod over them.
Why do we lack the nads we had (say) 30 years ago?
Simple....any form of protest was made illegal quite a while ago (unless it's the filth protesting over their wages).....think about it ;)
And what did they do any different to any one else, other than protest march? Didn't withdraw their labour, i.e. strike. Police, like the military and unlike fire and ambulance, cannot strike.... But the rank & file can...
They marched after it was declared illegal to do such a thing....didn't see any of them getting nicked though.
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then it will rise again and again and again. just like petrol does. the taxman knows people cant live without broadband and cant do break all about it.
Of course it will rise, and the reason it will rise is because the majority of the populace lack the gonads to stop the man from riding roughshod over them.
Why do we lack the nads we had (say) 30 years ago?
Simple....any form of protest was made illegal quite a while ago (unless it's the filth protesting over their wages).....think about it ;)
And what did they do any different to any one else, other than protest march? Didn't withdraw their labour, i.e. strike. Police, like the military and unlike fire and ambulance, cannot strike.... But the rank & file can...
They marched after it was declared illegal to do such a thing....didn't see any of them getting nicked though.
so if you and your sparkie pals also went on a march, after it being declared illegal, apparently, then you would also expect mass arrests? think not....
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no matter whats said there is always the british(eeh owt for a quiet life)and all these immigrants and so on that come over here and get everything laid out on a plate could easily be put on the voting register and would be a vast majority in the polling stakes,theres too much money being taken out by people who have never pot owt in so the gov have to get it somewhere.soon well be taxed for the hours we sleep
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As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
If the public kicked off properly, there aren't enough old bill & military (who have shit guns, no boots, and no bullets) to stop it.
Ask the military members on here - I think they would possibly lead!
If we are talking full balls on scenario, they would be daft at the very least if they decided to side with their paymasters.
While they would have the advantage of certain skills (ie, battle planning), you have to bear in mind that....
1. More than a fair number of Joe Public (and most definately "subversive" party leaders) are also capable of strategic planning.
Also add in to the equation that the protecting force will be bound by god knows how many EU & PC regulations regarding how they do the job, while the "subversive" won't give a toss......the outcome is obvious IMO.
2. The physical headcount (government forces vs public).
It was what helped bring down Eastern Europe.Remember the massive numbers marching in East Germany and Romania etc.I never thought I would see that happening and what they did get was the military on their side, which I think would be the case here.
However getting the public of the settees and away from the tube may be the biggest hurdle.Not that I'm trying to suggest civil disobedience is in anyway big or clever(just in case big brother is watching!--no honest I believe 2+2=5 and Slavery is Freedom)
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TBH, if my £6/year was actually going to get me a broadband which was faster than walking to the shops ::) ::) then I'd be fine with it but I know we won't get it until the very end >:( >:( >:(
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yer could say its £6 a year,50p a month its nowt but all them £6 and its a lot of dosh would it go on what the say its for and if you want faster broadband you pay for the upgrade why should everyone else
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To be honest you only have to run a speed check to realise that your broadband speed is a joke. I've signed up to fibre city and I shall let you know how they work as they say that the speed will be 100 meg upload and download with all services piped in.
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How do you think they are going to collect this
charge Tax?
Mick
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1984 is the nulab instruction manual.
As to IMP or whatever it is called - get an offshore email account.
Anyone notice that Darth Meddlesom has also granted himself more powers?
I would not be surprised if they tried to cancel the next election - this would mean civil war I think.
It's long overdue (and very easily do-able), but no-one has the 'dangle berries' to stand up anymore.
That I don't know - screw enough people and it will happen.
I am actually starting to get political over this - reading up on the parties ect, all parties have some good policies.
As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
i think they know who they should side with... but what they should do and will do are to completely different things... the police are ment to "prtect" the country on the inside and the armed forces on the outside... but at the end of the day, who controls these forces? >:(
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To be honest you only have to run a speed check to realise that your broadband speed is a joke. I've signed up to fibre city and I shall let you know how they work as they say that the speed will be 100 meg upload and download with all services piped in.
very good point... im on Oramge Broardband (ok so not the best ISP ever) and my family is paying for 8mb broardband... ive done speed tests and ping tests... to be honest, its probs not far off that of a 128k connection >:( >:(
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1984 is the nulab instruction manual.
As to IMP or whatever it is called - get an offshore email account.
Anyone notice that Darth Meddlesom has also granted himself more powers?
I would not be surprised if they tried to cancel the next election - this would mean civil war I think.
It's long overdue (and very easily do-able), but no-one has the 'dangle berries' to stand up anymore.
That I don't know - screw enough people and it will happen.
I am actually starting to get political over this - reading up on the parties ect, all parties have some good policies.
As I have said before - would the military and Police support the government or the people?
i think they know who they should side with... but what they should do and will do are to completely different things... the police are ment to "prtect" the country on the inside and the armed forces on the outside... but at the end of the day, who controls these forces? >:(
Well they don't swear allegiance to the government for a start.
At least ER2 can dissolve parliament if they get silly
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My MIL doesn't even have a computer - why should she pay for someone elses BB?
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clever....... first they encourage every one use a computer and then they charge us for the privilege of using one