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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: zippo on 12 December 2009, 22:00:18
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If things go to plan in the new year i want a v6. Whats the pros and cons of each engine please .I think it goes without saying it will be an auto
Opinions greatly appreciated
Darren
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drive-by-wire cars are a lot tidier under the bonnet. No silly tree hugging SAI to unplug etc etc ;) ;) ;)
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drive-by-wire cars are a lot tidier under the bonnet. No silly tree hugging SAI to unplug etc etc ;) ;) ;)
youve lost me Andy ,whats SAI
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drive-by-wire cars are a lot tidier under the bonnet. No silly tree hugging SAI to unplug etc etc ;) ;) ;)
youve lost me Andy ,whats SAI
And why is it tree hugging :-?
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
thanks Andy! :y :y :y :y
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
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thanks for clearing that up Andies
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
You only need to worry about one on your car! :y :y :y :y :y
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
Doh! (http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/images/smilies/duh.gif) I've missed something! ::) :y :y
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
Doh! (http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/images/smilies/duh.gif) I've missed something! ::) :y :y
I do frequently, comes with age ;D
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
Doh! (http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/images/smilies/duh.gif) I've missed something! ::) :y :y
I do frequently, comes with age ;D
I know! :( :( :(
Where am I?
Who am I? ;)
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
All the better for it. Sounds great 8-)
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
All the better for it. Sounds great 8-)
I can't say my Senator sounded better or performend any better when the cats were sat in the shed & my stainless de-cat pipes were fitted. It was a lot easier to fit/remove on that cat though. :y :y :y
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
Doh! (http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/images/smilies/duh.gif) I've missed something! ::) :y :y
I do frequently, comes with age ;D
I know! :( :( :(
Where am I?
Who am I? ;)
;D ;D ;D
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My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i breaked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D
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My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i breaked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D
Forgive me for sounding being ignorant, but I thought cat equipped cars had to have them fitted to pass the MOT? :-?
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My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i breaked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D
Forgive me for sounding being ignorant, but I thought cat equipped cars had to have them fitted to pass the MOT? :-?
Only 4 bolts +20 mins ::)
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Ah, gotcha now :y ;D
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My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i breaked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D
Forgive me for sounding being ignorant, but I thought cat equipped cars had to have them fitted to pass the MOT? :-?
Don't quote me but....
I don't think cats were compulsory before 2000 so if you have a 1990's car you can 'de-cat' the car by fitting a straight through down pipe.
I am not totally sure of the cut off date. My 1972 Range Rover emission test is 'no excessive visible smoke from exhaust' (or something like that). The MOT takes half as long as it does for the Omega ::)
If you look at your last MOT emissions results you should be able to tell if the criteria require a cat to pass.
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Yes a de catted car won't pass the emissions test come mot time.
As the old saying goes it's not what you know but who.....nuff said. 8-) :y
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secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly.
What are they ::)
Something you don't have ;)
All the better for it. Sounds great 8-)
I can't say my Senator sounded better or performend any better when the cats were sat in the shed & my stainless de-cat pipes were fitted. It was a lot easier to fit/remove on that cat though. :y :y :y
Thats because it was a better car altogether Andy. :y :y
Here we go again :D ;D ;D ;D
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I am not totally sure of the cut off dat .....
K reg! All Most cars Kreg onwards require cats for an MOT test .... unless you know someone :y :y
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My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i breaked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D
Forgive me for sounding being ignorant, but I thought cat equipped cars had to have them fitted to pass the MOT? :-?
Don't quote me but....
I don't think cats were compulsory before 2000 so if you have a 1990's car you can 'de-cat' the car by fitting a straight through down pipe.
I am not totally sure of the cut off date. My 1972 Range Rover emission test is 'no excessive visible smoke from exhaust' (or something like that). The MOT takes half as long as it does for the Omega ::)
If you look at your last MOT emissions results you should be able to tell if the criteria require a cat to pass.
I think its earlier,around 1993. ;)
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Thats because it was a better car altogether Andy. :y :y
Here we go again :D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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I think its earlier,around 1993. ;)
1st Aug 1992 :y :y :y
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Stick the pipe up another car that's just passed...sorted! 8-)
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My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i breaked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D
Forgive me for sounding being ignorant, but I thought cat equipped cars had to have them fitted to pass the MOT? :-?
Don't quote me but....
I don't think cats were compulsory before 2000 so if you have a 1990's car you can 'de-cat' the car by fitting a straight through down pipe.
I am not totally sure of the cut off date. My 1972 Range Rover emission test is 'no excessive visible smoke from exhaust' (or something like that). The MOT takes half as long as it does for the Omega ::)
If you look at your last MOT emissions results you should be able to tell if the criteria require a cat to pass.
I think its earlier,around 1993. ;)
Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted
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i'd take the 3.2 due to the DBW stuff, the 'go' pedal is so much lighter to the touch, the old cable driven ones need a fair bit of weight on them.
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Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted
No it's not. For all intents & purposes all [size=16]K[/size] reg cars have to have a cat fitted :y :y
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Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted
No it's not. For all intents & purposes all [size=16]K[/size] reg cars have to have a cat fitted :y :y
Correct :y
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Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted
No it's not. For all intents & purposes all [size=16]K[/size] reg cars have to have a cat fitted :y :y
Correct :y
Been waiting for the forum to come back to say that Pete? ;D
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I have owned the 2.5, 3.0 and now have the 3.2 all in Elite spec - and I am no mechanic but the 3.2 has been the better driving experience with more pull and 22mpg on average, so for me I can't reccomend the 3.2 highly enough :y
Darren
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Regarding this 'cat' business, I remember a discussion on the MR2 forum once, where some post '93 cars had past the MOT without the cat fitted as they passed the emissions test, but others had been failed for no 'cat' even though they past the emission test. Seems the rules here were open to interprtation, or misinterpretation.
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3.2 has no sai, egr valve, iac valve, no throttle cable or cruise controle box and cable in the engine bay. All replaced by more advanced(or should i say up to date?) engine management with drive by wire throttle. Not sure on the changes on the previous model years, but 3.0 will have most if not all of the above to replace/clean/blank off/ or unplug.
3.2 also does away with the dis pac and ht leads in favour of a single coil pack per bank, which is far easier to replace but more expensive to buy if it goes tets up i beleive, i've not had to replace one so far so not aware of cost. Less gubbins generally in the engine bay, which is always good when fitting lpg.
Oh, and the pedal trick rather than paper clip test, easier to do, more comprehensive list of codes and WILL tell you which pot is missfiring! Unlike the 3.0 ecu which probably wont even notice if its lost a cylinder.
Plus being younger, 3.2 hopefully will be in slightly better nic. If you can find one, i guess it will cost more to buy as well though?
A pita that goes against the 3.2 is the pre cat issue, which also affects the 2.6 and 2.2 to a lesser extent. But in real terms the only real annoyance with that is the engine light constantly lit on the dash, but there is a fairly(?) cheap fix.
Hth the op. :-)
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Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates ;) ;)
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Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted
No it's not. For all intents & purposes all [size=16]K[/size] reg cars have to have a cat fitted :y :y
Thats what I said K is after H :P :P :P
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[size=20]J[/size]? ::)
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[size=20]J[/size]? ::)
Think he meant that K is after H but not driectly after it :y
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Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates ;) ;)
No they won't.
Taxation for higher rates was moved back to 2006, all Omegas even 2003 3.2's pay no more than fixed rate for older cars
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All Omega's are in Band K, on the second table
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
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Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted
No it's not. For all intents & purposes all [size=16]K[/size] reg cars have to have a cat fitted :y :y
Thats what I said K is after H :P :P :P
C'mon! Or do you use a different alphabet? ;) ;) ;)
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All Omega's are in Band K, on the second table
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
Picky head on .. :)
Not quite true ... some of us are in the third table and save a WHOLE £10 .... £235 for 2010-11 :)
Now that £10 is VERY IMPORTANT ... it is nearly 20 ltrs LPG or 4.4 galls which is nearly 80 miles of motoring free from the government .....
I really am very, very, very grateful to Mr Brown for his benevolence ... :)
[sarcastic mode = off]
:)
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All Omega's are in Band K, on the second table
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
Picky head on .. :)
Not quite true ... some of us are in the third table and save a WHOLE £10 .... £235 for 2010-11 :)
Now that £10 is VERY IMPORTANT ... it is nearly 20 ltrs LPG or 4.4 galls which is nearly 80 miles of motoring free from the government .....
I really am very, very, very grateful to Mr Brown for his benevolence ... :)
[sarcastic mode = off]
:)
All yes... £10. Whoooooo (sarcastic)
But your right....
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[size=20]J[/size]? ::)
Think he meant that K is after H but not driectly after it :y
Correct :y
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Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates ;) ;)
No they won't.
Taxation for higher rates was moved back to 2006, all Omegas even 2003 3.2's pay no more than fixed rate for older cars
Sorry Tunnie, but the following tells me, they way I read it, that my 3.0. registered before March 2001 will attract a tax of £190 p.a.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
My car (band K?) if it had been registered after March 2001 would have attracted a tax of £215. So £25 difference, and the way things on the emmissions front, politically, are shapping that is going to become a lot more with a new government, especially for a 3.2 ;) ;) ;)
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunnies which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
The "pre march 2001" figure will be £205
For post march 2001 but pre 2006 it will be £245
unless you have LPG when it is £235
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
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Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates ;) ;)
No they won't.
Taxation for higher rates was moved back to 2006, all Omegas even 2003 3.2's pay no more than fixed rate for older cars
Sorry Tunnie, but the following tells me, they way I read it, that my 3.0. registered before March 2001 will attract a tax of £190 p.a.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
My car (band K?) if it had been registered after March 2001 would have attracted a tax of £215. So £25 difference, and the way things on the emmissions front, politically, are shapping that is going to become a lot more with a new government, especially for a 3.2 ;) ;) ;)
3.2's won't be any higher than £245, even a 6.0 V8 registered in 2005 will be £245, they will never reach the £400+ rates of other cars. They will need to be registered after 2006 for that to happen
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Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates ;) ;)
No they won't.
Taxation for higher rates was moved back to 2006, all Omegas even 2003 3.2's pay no more than fixed rate for older cars
Sorry Tunnie, but the following tells me, they way I read it, that my 3.0. registered before March 2001 will attract a tax of £190 p.a.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
My car (band K?) if it had been registered after March 2001 would have attracted a tax of £215. So £25 difference, and the way things on the emmissions front, politically, are shapping that is going to become a lot more with a new government, especially for a 3.2 ;) ;) ;)
3.2's won't be any higher than £245, even a 6.0 V8 registered in 2005 will be £245, they will never reach the £400+ rates of other cars. They will need to be registered after 2006 for that to happen
So I was right Tunnie in my original statement! ::) ::) ::)
My 2000 3.0, at £190 p.a. will be cheaper than a post March 2001 3.0 or 3.2 :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]"[/size]Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates[size=24]"[/size]
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;)
I thought you meant the higher rates of £400+
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;)
I thought you meant the higher rates of £400+
lol Tunnie! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For me £245 IS a bloody high rate enough!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;)
I thought you meant the higher rates of £400+
lol Tunnie! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For me £245 IS a bloody high rate enough!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
If Omegas were made post 2006 then they would have been £950 a year to tax! Now thats high!
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;)
I thought you meant the higher rates of £400+
lol Tunnie! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For me £245 IS a bloody high rate enough!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
If Omegas were made post 2006 then they would have been £950 a year to tax! Now thats high!
Now that is Tunnie!! :o :o :o :o What a horrible thought! :'( :'( :'(
:D :D :y :y
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Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunniwes which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;)
EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page.
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;)
I thought you meant the higher rates of £400+
lol Tunnie! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For me £245 IS a bloody high rate enough!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
If Omegas were made post 2006 then they would have been £950 a year to tax! Now thats high!
Only for the 1st years its £950
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You ask a simple question ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You ask a simple question ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh yes Zippo, we never dissappoint on here!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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You ask a simple question ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh yes Zippo, we never dissappoint on here!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
i do get that impression ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Fortunately the tax renewal on mine is Dec 31st so i've just had to pay out £215 rather than the £245 from April next year!
If i'd known it was such a bargain I would have bought a five year tax disc! ;D