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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STMO999 on 16 December 2009, 13:16:44
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Oh dear! It's not going well. People resigning, people being beaten up and gassed. Tut tut.
But.......look up there....is it abird?.....is it a plane?....NO!
It's Gormless Brown! If you think it was bad before.......... ;D ;D
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What a bunch of idiots. There they are arguing about whether we want 1.5 or 1 degrees C of "Climate Change" when there isn't even a scientific concensus on a link between CO2 and temperature let alone how much CO2 we need to let out of the ground to achieve a specific temperature change. ::)
Still, I'm sure it's a nice jolly just before Christmas and that they are being fed and watered well at our expense. What are the Christmas markets in Copenhagen like?
Kevin
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Oh dear! It's not going well. People resigning, people being beaten up and gassed. Tut tut.
But.......look up there....is it abird?.....is it a plane?....NO!
It's Gormless Brown! If you think it was bad before.......... ;D ;D
You could sort it all out STMO.....after all........ you are excellent when it comes to diplomacy.. ;D ;D :y
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What a bunch of idiots. There they are arguing about whether we want 1.5 or 1 degrees C of "Climate Change" when there isn't even a scientific concensus on a link between CO2 and temperature let alone how much CO2 we need to let out of the ground to achieve a specific temperature change. ::)
Still, I'm sure it's a nice jolly just before Christmas and that they are being fed and watered well at our expense. What are the Christmas markets in Copenhagen like?
Kevin
Wrecked, apparently. ;D
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Oh dear! It's not going well. People resigning, people being beaten up and gassed. Tut tut.
But.......look up there....is it abird?.....is it a plane?....NO!
It's Gormless Brown! If you think it was bad before.......... ;D ;D
You could sort it all out STMO.....after all........ you are excellent when it comes to diplomacy.. ;D ;D :y
I notice Zulu is online. I'd watch it if I were you mate ;D
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Apparently Gormless flew in on one private jet and prince proper Charlie flew in on another.Nice to see they are taking the issue really seriously,I think it must be about 50 days ago when Gormless informed us that he had 50 days to save the planet.No doubt he will be telling us by the weekend that he did just that.
Someone give him a red cape - and stuff it down his throat and choke the rather idiot. ::) ;D
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Poor Gormless cant get out of the conference centre. It is surrounded by lentil munchers who are threatening say nasty things to him if he emerges. He will have go for hours without a clean shirt and will be forced to eat smoked salmon sandwiches and drink Danish beer for the whole evening.
Who said it's not hard being PM.
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Methinks that the greatest contribution to Global
Warming is currently all the hot air being spouted in
Copenhagen.
As with most things in life nowadays, it's mainly about
making money. Politics and Big Business is so intertwined
now, it's an inseperable symbiotic relationship.
With this in mind, why has our esteemed leader just
given away £1.5 Billion of our taxes? This money has
now been removed from our pockets and our economy.
Hasn't he twigged yet that he's mean't to be on the
take for UK plc? Not playing at Lady Bountiful with our
money and putting it into the private Swiss Bank accounts
of Third World despots.
I despair sometimes.
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
....is that the same as the 387PPM...figure I heard used the other day Martin?. :y :y
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
....is that the same as the 387PPM...figure I heard used the other day Martin?. :y :y
It's gone up! Church bells only rang 350 times ::)
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
....is that the same as the 387PPM...figure I heard used the other day Martin?. :y :y
Yes it is
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Climategate goes SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020126/climategate-goes-serial-now-the-russians-confirm-that-uk-climate-scientists-manipulated-data-to-exaggerate-global-warming/
Still, that nice Mr. Pachauri (the well-known "scientist" ;)) who is head of the independent ( ;)) UN IPCC will no doubt poo-poo it.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/vast-nexus-of-influence.html
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/all-roads-lead-to-pachauri.html
"What a tangled web we weave..." ;)
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
Agreed, does anyone remember the 'Plant a tree in '73' campaign to get us to plant more trees or I am just imagining it because no else I've spoken to remembers it.
And I know for a fact at least 2 of those were born pre '73 ;D
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
Agreed, does anyone remember the 'Plant a tree in '73' campaign to get us to plant more trees or I am just imagining it because no else I've spoken to remembers it.
And I know for a fact at least 2 of those were born pre '73 ;D
I have a few small conker trees as well - does anyone want one?
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0.038% is the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less than Argon
And it is essential for plant growth.
I think all we need to do is plant trees and let nature do its best.
Oh and deal with particulates - a bigger threat than an essential to life gas
Agreed, does anyone remember the 'Plant a tree in '73' campaign to get us to plant more trees or I am just imagining it because no else I've spoken to remembers it.
And I know for a fact at least 2 of those were born pre '73 ;D
I have a few small conker trees as well - does anyone want one?
Yes, how and what etc.... :y
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Not sure how they would get to the north east but I have 5 or 6 around 1 to 2 foot high ones
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I was watching Newsnight last night. They conducted a "scientific experiment" where a "scientist", watched by some Members of the Public, shone a couple of lamps onto two plastic bottles, one of which contained more CO2 than the other. When the temperature rose higher in that bottle, some of the MoPs were converted to believing in climate change.
What the experiment actually proved was that:- the average man in the street has no understanding of science or the scientific method
- some "scientists" are prepared to collude with the media in order to hoodwink the public
- people cannot distinguish between climate change and the greenhouse effect, let alone understand the concept of a causal relationship
The saddest part was that a senior scientific advisor to the Government, complete with knighthood, stood there and watched this travesty and then spouted the usual Government climate change disaster line.
I really don't know how serious the increase in atmospheric CO2 is, and I don't know if it can trigger climate change, and I don't know what the consequences of climate change will be. But I do know bad science I see it, and I do know when my intelligence is being insulted, and I do know when a bunch of fanatics is trying to bully me into seeing things their way. :(
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I was watching Newsnight last night. They conducted a "scientific experiment" where a "scientist", watched by some Members of the Public, shone a couple of lamps onto two plastic bottles, one of which contained more CO2 than the other. When the temperature rose higher in that bottle, some of the MoPs were converted to believing in climate change.
What the experiment actually proved was that:- the average man in the street has no understanding of science or the scientific method
- some "scientists" are prepared to collude with the media in order to hoodwink the public
- people cannot distinguish between climate change and the greenhouse effect, let alone understand the concept of a causal relationship
The saddest part was that a senior scientific advisor to the Government, complete with knighthood, stood there and watched this travesty and then spouted the usual Government climate change disaster line.
I really don't know how serious the increase in atmospheric CO2 is, and I don't know if it can trigger climate change, and I don't know what the consequences of climate change will be. But I do know bad science I see it, and I do know when my intelligence is being insulted, and I do know when a bunch of fanatics is trying to bully me into seeing things their way. :(
That daft bint claims to be a 'space scientist' and appears from time to time when a satellite is launched. She frequently gets caught out and, wait for this.......said the sun was 75 million miles from earth on her last appearance. I nearly smashed the rather telly with indignation.
I think she's really Rusty Lee.
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I was watching Newsnight last night. They conducted a "scientific experiment" where a "scientist", watched by some Members of the Public, shone a couple of lamps onto two plastic bottles, one of which contained more CO2 than the other. When the temperature rose higher in that bottle, some of the MoPs were converted to believing in climate change.
What the experiment actually proved was that:- the average man in the street has no understanding of science or the scientific method
- some "scientists" are prepared to collude with the media in order to hoodwink the public
- people cannot distinguish between climate change and the greenhouse effect, let alone understand the concept of a causal relationship
The saddest part was that a senior scientific advisor to the Government, complete with knighthood, stood there and watched this travesty and then spouted the usual Government climate change disaster line.
I really don't know how serious the increase in atmospheric CO2 is, and I don't know if it can trigger climate change, and I don't know what the consequences of climate change will be. But I do know bad science I see it, and I do know when my intelligence is being insulted, and I do know when a bunch of fanatics is trying to bully me into seeing things their way. :(
That daft bint claims to be a 'space scientist' and appears from time to time when a satellite is launched. She frequently gets caught out and, wait for this.......said the sun was 75 million miles from earth on her last appearance. I nearly smashed the rather telly with indignation.
I think she's really Rusty Lee.
At last we've found the cause of global warming the Sun has moved 18 million miles closer to the earth.
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Two points How can we hand out billions of pounds in aid when our country is all but f*cking bankrupt.
Man wasn't around to cause the globel warming on the occasion that all the dinosaurs got cooked!
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I was watching Newsnight last night. They conducted a "scientific experiment" where a "scientist", watched by some Members of the Public, shone a couple of lamps onto two plastic bottles, one of which contained more CO2 than the other. When the temperature rose higher in that bottle, some of the MoPs were converted to believing in climate change.
What the experiment actually proved was that:- the average man in the street has no understanding of science or the scientific method
- some "scientists" are prepared to collude with the media in order to hoodwink the public
- people cannot distinguish between climate change and the greenhouse effect, let alone understand the concept of a causal relationship
The saddest part was that a senior scientific advisor to the Government, complete with knighthood, stood there and watched this travesty and then spouted the usual Government climate change disaster line.
I really don't know how serious the increase in atmospheric CO2 is, and I don't know if it can trigger climate change, and I don't know what the consequences of climate change will be. But I do know bad science I see it, and I do know when my intelligence is being insulted, and I do know when a bunch of fanatics is trying to bully me into seeing things their way. :(
Very well reasoned J :y :y
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Exactly. Pointless patronizing telly strikes again. No wonder i never watch it.
Tony H has a point. We've had god knows how many climate changes over the years that affect different species & evolution in general (ice age) etc.
Suddenly everyone's an expert & we can put the world right if we stop doing this/start doing that.....
This is starting to sound like one of these blockbuster movies that i never watch...roll eyes smilie!
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"President Chavez brought the house down.
When he said the process in Copenhagen was “not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn’t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship…down with imperial dictatorships” he got a rousing round of applause.
When he said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.
But then he wound up to his grand conclusion – 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - “our revolution seeks to help all people…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.” He won a standing ovation.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/putting_our_economy_in_the_hands_of_chavez_fans/
Yes, it's all about science isn't it? ( [/sarc off] :o :o
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And that Nick,is what the whole scam is really about.redistribution of wealth wrapped up in scientific gobbledogook,hoping that the man on the street is gullible enough to swallow it. :y >:(
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"Prime Minister Gordon Brown has now offered, at the climate change conference in Copenhagen, a cut of 42 per cent in Britain’s carbon dioxide emissions by 2020. That would be a massive increase from the current 20 per cent target. This research note shows that meeting such a target could mean massive cuts in Britain’s national income."
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/research/2009/12/new-research-the-economic-cost-of-a-42-per-cent-reduction-in-carbon-dioxide-emissions-by-2020.html
Un-be-liev-able. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. :(
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. :(
The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.
So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do :)
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. :(
The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.
So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do :)
..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then? ::)
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. :(
The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.
So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do :)
..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then? ::)
Yeah like they are going to stop be playing xbox and going to the alps ::)
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Dont EVER under estimate what they could do.
Interesting as I often listen to 80's music on a friday evening with a beer (or 2)....and the song playing as I read this thread:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FDvH0b7II[/media]
Seems so very ........er appropriate....or not in the case of politicians
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. :(
The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.
So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do :)
..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then? ::)
Yeah like they are going to stop be playing xbox and going to the alps ::)
1. Extended power cuts due to cutbacks in new grid capacity (many of our power stations must be decommissioned shortly due to EU regulations and new stations are being hindered by green objections, e.g Kingsnorth).
2. Punitive taxation on air travel to meet carbon reduction targets.
3. Reduced income, if not unemployment, due to high taxation, low GDP, high food and energy inflation - i.e. an economic depression.
All are feasible. :(
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don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat? :-/
"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. :(
The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.
So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do :)
..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then? ::)
Yeah like they are going to stop be playing xbox and going to the alps ::)
1. Extended power cuts due to cutbacks in new grid capacity (many of our power stations must be decommissioned shortly due to EU regulations and new stations are being hindered by green objections, e.g Kingsnorth).
2. Punitive taxation on air travel to meet carbon reduction targets.
3. Reduced income, if not unemployment, due to high taxation, low GDP, high food and energy inflation - i.e. an economic depression.
All are feasible. :(
1. Not had a power cut in over a decade, other sources of power will be found even if brought from over the water (be it at a higher cost)
2. Who said anything about flying???
3. The media have hyped this depression out of proportion, i have doubled my basic income in the last 2 years, and in this 'depression' had 3 job offers.
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.
A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).
Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.
A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).
Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station
According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)
Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on ::)
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Large amounts of gas now come from the continent (actually Russia) and boy do we pay for it .... :(
If we get ourselves dependant on others for electricity as well we might as well give up any idea of independance and prosperity at all... we will be screwed even more than we are now .. :(
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.
A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).
Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station
According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)
Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on ::)
No.....forgeting your science me thinks.....that would equate to approx 1.1GW.......Drax for instance generates 3.9GW which would equate to 34164 GWh (if it ran flat out for 1 year which clearly it cant)....or approx 7% of uk needs
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.
A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).
Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station
According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)
Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on ::)
No.....forgeting your science me thinks.....that would equate to approx 1.1GW.......Drax for instance generates 3.9GW which would equate to 34164 GWh (if it ran flat out for 1 ear which clearly it cant)....or approx 7% of uk needs
Ok fair enough, but we do have the means to bring power from Europe, as mentioned we also bring Gas in too. We should be able to ramp up the power we bring in, while the paperwork is filled for our replacements?
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And just to annoy the greenies, we would need around 160000 large wind turbines to meet uk needs.....however on nice sunny days, the lights would go off!
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Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?
We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.
A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).
Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station
According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)
Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on ::)
No.....forgeting your science me thinks.....that would equate to approx 1.1GW.......Drax for instance generates 3.9GW which would equate to 34164 GWh (if it ran flat out for 1 ear which clearly it cant)....or approx 7% of uk needs
Ok fair enough, but we do have the means to bring power from Europe, as mentioned we also bring Gas in too. We should be able to ramp up the power we bring in, while the paperwork is filled for our replacements?
Power transmission on that scale is very costly to setup and takes a long while to develop and get going.
I know that the original cross channel that was bult in the mid 80's cost circa 2billion quid......and was around a 3 year project.
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And just to annoy the greenies, we would need around 160000 large wind turbines to meet uk needs.....however on nice sunny days, the lights would go off!
What about those snake water things which failed in the 80's (not due to the tech but some other personal issue iiic)
I remember seeing a more moden version last year, looked impressive.
They sat in the water and the natural movement of the waves generated a constant supply, although we could need quite a few of them ;D
As for Wind farms, stick them up in Scotland ;D ;D
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Ow yes, the convertor sites are huge to......DC links are not simple little things to make sadly
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Here is the aerial shot of the Selindge station
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Nottingham+NG2+6RA,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.105934,0.975873&spn=0.006036,0.013711&t=h&z=16
The H shaped building is the valve hall which holds the thristor stacks for the inverters/rectifiers for the 2 halves of the bipole setup
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very interesting, doubt they do may tours of those places now.
Of course we could just turn the channel into two huge Dams, that should give us enough power ;D ;D
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We could just ignore it - no proof ect.
And plant a hell of a lot of trees