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Title: Can I?
Post by: vauxsull on 03 January 2010, 17:57:24
Can I jump start a 1.2 Corsa with my 2.6 Omega?
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 03 January 2010, 17:58:11
I really hope so.
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2010, 17:59:00
Yep....
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: vauxsull on 03 January 2010, 18:02:03
So the power output from the Miggy wont fry the Corsa through the leads?
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 03 January 2010, 18:06:39
Think about it this way.  The AA Jump Start all manner of vehicles from their big arsed trucks with special high-powered jump packs.

You'll be fine.
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: vauxsull on 03 January 2010, 18:07:33
Thanks for that ... the wife will be as happy as Larry now...
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: sexydaz on 03 January 2010, 18:07:41
its still 12 volts
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2010, 18:08:05
Of course not....power plays no part on it.....you could happily jump start an Omega from a Corsa
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: vauxsull on 03 January 2010, 18:13:06
Ther reason I asked the question is because when the wife had an MX5 which needed a jump start I went to the counter with a set of jump leads but was told they were not the correct ones as the Mazda was  a 1.6 and being jump started ay a 2.5
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Pitchfork on 03 January 2010, 18:17:48
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Ther reason I asked the question is because when the wife had an MX5 which needed a jump start I went to the counter with a set of jump leads but was told they were not the correct ones as the Mazda was  a 1.6 and being jump started ay a 2.5
You jest surely!!
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: TheBoy on 03 January 2010, 18:18:37
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Ther reason I asked the question is because when the wife had an MX5 which needed a jump start I went to the counter with a set of jump leads but was told they were not the correct ones as the Mazda was  a 1.6 and being jump started ay a 2.5
pmsl
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 03 January 2010, 18:20:18
The only thing you need to know about Jump Leads, is the bigger the better.  I've seen cheap thin Jump Leads melt the insulation where they have got very hot trying to jump a finicky motor.
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: vauxsull on 03 January 2010, 18:20:34
No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
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Post by: TheBoy on 03 January 2010, 18:21:27
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Pitchfork on 03 January 2010, 18:21:59
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
Quite possibly ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: feeutfo on 03 January 2010, 18:23:54
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Ther reason I asked the question is because when the wife had an MX5 which needed a jump start I went to the counter with a set of jump leads but was told they were not the correct ones as the Mazda was  a 1.6 and being jump started ay a 2.5
You jest surely!!
let me guess, more expensive ones needed? ffs!
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: vauxsull on 03 January 2010, 18:23:56
Oh well never mind... As long as I can jump start the Corsa thats all that matters....
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Post by: feeutfo on 03 January 2010, 18:39:09
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Oh well never mind... As long as I can jump start the Corsa thats all that matters....
well if it was me, having been told that, i would take them back for a refund once your finished...
"well they must have been miss sold to me"... if they didnt work..." must be for the wrong car"

reply...."it doesnt matter what car they are for"

you...    "oh really? so why did your member of staff say xyz ....etc"
2 can play that game.



unless you want to keep them of course?
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Pitchfork on 03 January 2010, 18:43:07
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Oh well never mind... As long as I can jump start the Corsa thats all that matters....
well if it was me, having been told that, i would take them back for a refund once your finished...
"well they must have been miss sold to me"... if they didnt work..." must be for the wrong car"

reply...."it doesnt matter what car they are for"

you...    "oh really? so why did your member of staff say xyz ....etc"
2 can play that game.

Smart thinking Batman!

unless you want to keep them of course?
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Lazydocker on 03 January 2010, 19:10:37
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You weren't to know mate.

Now... I need some sky hooks, and could you find me a left handed hammer too please ::) ::) ::)

Sorry... Shouldn't extract the urine :-X :-X :-X :-X

At the end of the day, you've bought some bigger, heavy duty ones now :y :y :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: LJay on 03 January 2010, 19:23:19
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Of course not....power plays no part on it.....you could happily jump start an Omega from a Corsa

Interesting! I was led to believe that you couldn't jump a big engine from a small one as you'd knacker the alternator!
You learn somat new every day!
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2010, 19:26:21
The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: LJay on 03 January 2010, 19:29:34
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The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

Ah right, so if you don't know what you're doing you can't! But, if you do you can! Cool! :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 19:29:56
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Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

When you've eventually got to the Smart's battery!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 19:32:46
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The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

So Mark ..... what's your opinion of where the jump leads should be conected to? I always use the battery terminals, however some say that you should use a substantial earth (I know I know  ;D) connection on the engine/chassis .... voltage spikes???  :-/
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2010, 19:33:59
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Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

When you've eventually got to the Smart's battery!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Its easy to find, there is a plastic flap underneath with a single pozi screw, remove it and unclip the plastic cover and the PP9 comes out on its flying leads
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 03 January 2010, 19:34:37
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: LJay on 03 January 2010, 19:36:27
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*

It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it!! ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 19:38:04
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Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

When you've eventually got to the Smart's battery!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Its easy to find, there is a plastic flap underneath with a single pozi screw, remove it and unclip the plastic cover and the PP9 comes out on its flying leads

You must be talking of the other Smart  ;D. SWMBO's Roadster's battery is under the 'bucket' that's under the front bonnet/boot. Take that out first & the battery is there
I had to do that in reverse the other morning when the Omega wouldn't start, & I borrowed the Smart to go to work.  :y :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 03 January 2010, 19:38:42
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*

It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it!! ;) ;) :D
:-X :-X
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 19:38:52
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*

It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it!! ;) ;) :D

you're not being rude are you?  :-/  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2010, 19:40:51
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The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

So Mark ..... what's your opinion of where the jump leads should be connected to? I always use the battery terminals, however some say that you should use a substantial earth (I know I know  ;D) connection on the engine/chassis .... voltage spikes???  :-/

It should be pos to pos on the battery terminals and then neg to th running car battery terminal and new to a substantial 0V on the engine such as a lifting bracket.

reasons are many and include.

1) Any spark will be created when the final connection is made and this will be away from the battery......this is a good thing as batteries (even sealed ones) can vent Hydrogen!

2) It gives some compensation for the resistance of the leads (as you lose the resistance of the battery to engine wire)

3) It reduces any possible high in-rush current from the running vehicle to the flat battery as you now have the jump lead resistance plus the battery 0V lead to.

It may sound far fetched but, with the amps we are talking here, the resistance of the leads are NOT negligible  :y

The reason behind reving the engine for a few mins is so the running cars alternator (you cant overload them as they will self regulate) actualy dumps some charge into the dead cars battery before attempting a charge.
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 19:48:11
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The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

So Mark ..... what's your opinion of where the jump leads should be connected to? I always use the battery terminals, however some say that you should use a substantial earth (I know I know  ;D) connection on the engine/chassis .... voltage spikes???  :-/

It should be pos to pos on the battery terminals and then neg to th running car battery terminal and new to a substantial 0V on the engine such as a lifting bracket.

reasons are many and include.

1) Any spark will be created when the final connection is made and this will be away from the battery......this is a good thing as batteries (even sealed ones) can vent Hydrogen!

2) It gives some compensation for the resistance of the leads (as you lose the resistance of the battery to engine wire)

3) It reduces any possible high in-rush current from the running vehicle to the flat battery as you now have the jump lead resistance plus the battery 0V lead to.

It may sound far fetched but, with the amps we are talking here, the resistance of the leads are NOT negligible  :y

The reason behind reving the engine for a few mins is so the running cars alternator (you cant overload them as they will self regulate) actualy dumps some charge into the dead cars battery before attempting a charge.

I usually start the 'rescuing' car's battery after they've been connected battery to battery .... but I'll bear your advice next time I need to jump the Omega!  :y  :y  :y  ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: LJay on 03 January 2010, 20:47:47
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*

It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it!! ;) ;) :D

you're not being rude are you?  :-/  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Moi?? Perish the thought!!! ;) :D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 20:52:45
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*

It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it!! ;) ;) :D

you're not being rude are you?  :-/  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Moi?? Perish the thought!!! ;) :D

Didn't think so!  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;) :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: LJay on 03 January 2010, 20:58:50
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?
as others have said, bigger is better
thats what her said last night. ;D :-* :-*

It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it!! ;) ;) :D

you're not being rude are you?  :-/  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Moi?? Perish the thought!!! ;) :D

Didn't think so!  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;) :y

Don't know the meaning of the word!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Richie London on 03 January 2010, 23:30:16
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You weren't to know mate.

Now... I need some sky hooks, and could you find me a left handed hammer too please ::) ::) ::)

Sorry... Shouldn't extract the urine :-X :-X :-X :-X

At the end of the day, you've bought some bigger, heavy duty ones now :y :y :y

we sent a young lad over to the first aid room for his glass injection at a double glazing company years.  ago.    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 03 January 2010, 23:35:30
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You weren't to know mate.

Now... I need some sky hooks, and could you find me a left handed hammer too please ::) ::) ::)

Sorry... Shouldn't extract the urine :-X :-X :-X :-X

At the end of the day, you've bought some bigger, heavy duty ones now :y :y :y

we sent a young lad over to the first aid room for his glass injection at a double glazing company years.  ago.    ;D ;D ;D
I was a victim of that when i was 14 on my work experience,as i was sent for a long wait,and a box of sparks for the grinder,but i was a bit to clever for the second one,caught me on the first one though. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Vamps on 03 January 2010, 23:36:06
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You weren't to know mate.

Now... I need some sky hooks, and could you find me a left handed hammer too please ::) ::) ::)

Sorry... Shouldn't extract the urine :-X :-X :-X :-X

At the end of the day, you've bought some bigger, heavy duty ones now :y :y :y

we sent a young lad over to the first aid room for his glass injection at a double glazing company years.  ago.    ;D ;D ;D

And don't forget the tartan paint..... :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Richie London on 03 January 2010, 23:43:41
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You weren't to know mate.

Now... I need some sky hooks, and could you find me a left handed hammer too please ::) ::) ::)

Sorry... Shouldn't extract the urine :-X :-X :-X :-X

At the end of the day, you've bought some bigger, heavy duty ones now :y :y :y

we sent a young lad over to the first aid room for his glass injection at a double glazing company years.  ago.    ;D ;D ;D

And don't forget the tartan paint..... :y

and the bucket of steam to strip the wallpaper  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 03 January 2010, 23:47:20
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No I'm being serious Lads.....I had to get the next set up came in a fancy box too .... Shit I've been had havn't I?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You weren't to know mate.

Now... I need some sky hooks, and could you find me a left handed hammer too please ::) ::) ::)

Sorry... Shouldn't extract the urine :-X :-X :-X :-X

At the end of the day, you've bought some bigger, heavy duty ones now :y :y :y

we sent a young lad over to the first aid room for his glass injection at a double glazing company years.  ago.    ;D ;D ;D

And don't forget the tartan paint..... :y

and the bucket of steam to strip the wallpaper  ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2010, 23:50:23
Once upon a time on HMS Fearless, a lad was given the run around for the keys to the snooker room!!!
It took days to realise he'd been conned!!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: jereboam on 03 January 2010, 23:59:05
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The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

So Mark ..... what's your opinion of where the jump leads should be connected to? I always use the battery terminals, however some say that you should use a substantial earth (I know I know  ;D) connection on the engine/chassis .... voltage spikes???  :-/

It should be pos to pos on the battery terminals and then neg to th running car battery terminal and new to a substantial 0V on the engine such as a lifting bracket.


Just out of interest, where do you suggest the negative lead is connected to when jump starting a V6.  There's not a lot of room and not a lot of bare metal visible to the untrained eye.  It certainly baffled the last AA man who tried it on my car.  Or are the booster packs intended to be connected to the battery terminals?
Title: Re: Can I?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 04 January 2010, 11:42:57
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The key thing when jump starting anything is to rev the engine to say 2000rpm on the working vehicle for a few mins and then start the car with the flat battery.

Follow that approach and you could jump start a V8 diesel from a smart car.  :y

So Mark ..... what's your opinion of where the jump leads should be connected to? I always use the battery terminals, however some say that you should use a substantial earth (I know I know  ;D) connection on the engine/chassis .... voltage spikes???  :-/

It should be pos to pos on the battery terminals and then neg to th running car battery terminal and new to a substantial 0V on the engine such as a lifting bracket.


Just out of interest, where do you suggest the negative lead is connected to when jump starting a V6.  There's not a lot of room and not a lot of bare metal visible to the untrained eye.  It certainly baffled the last AA man who tried it on my car.  Or are the booster packs intended to be connected to the battery terminals?

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