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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: robbo299 on 02 January 2010, 21:12:15
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Just been reading the news page of yahoo and i see there is an article there which says that some extremist muslim group are planning to hold a march through Wooton Bassett. This, it is said, is "not in memory of the occupying and merciless British millitary" but to honour muslims "murdered in the name of Democracy and freedom" and will be "peaceful". Surley this cannot go ahead as it is a recipe for disaster. The good people of this small town (Wooton Bassett) turn out in thier hundreds if not thousands everytime a serviceman/woman make thier final journey home as a matter of respect for the sacrifice made. I have nothing but respect and gratitude for the good people of this town. From past experience when a march by the Anglian Regiment took place through my home town of Luton, a small group, about 15 to 20, muslim extremists decided to protest and hurl insults at the soliders. Thousands were there to support them but all the headlines were about the 15 to 20. This led to counter marches from "English" extremist organisations and for a while my town was a no go area for any sort of march or gathering. This is just what this muslim group which i think calls itself Islam4uk hope will happen with Wooton Bassett. No more lining the streets etc etc because of the fear of trouble. The good people of Wooton Bassett do not deserve this. I just hope sanity prevails and this "march" does not go ahead.
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If this government allows it to go ahead, it may just be the final nail in it's coffin. Every cloud has a silver lining.
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could you imagine any second generation german familys marchig through london while the second world war was going on..in support of the innocent germans that died at dresden....would we be able to organize a march in saudi arabia for the innocent victims of 9/11 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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When will the idiots realise that Afgan/Iraq/Middle East is not about killing Muslims. Probably was 800yrs ago, but not now. Pillocks.
Whether its about stamping on terrorism, controlling oil, human rights or other politics depends on which fence you sit on. But I don't think anyone agrees its about killing Muslims or Islam?
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With any religous group/organisation you always get the small number of "extremists" and, sadly, these are nearly always the ones who get heard.
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When will the idiots realise that Afgan/Iraq/Middle East is not about killing Muslims. Probably was 800yrs ago, but not now. Pillocks.
Whether its about stamping on terrorism, controlling oil, human rights or other politics depends on which fence you sit on. But I don't think anyone agrees its about killing Muslims or Islam?
They dont want to realise. They want to provoke.
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When will the idiots realise that Afgan/Iraq/Middle East is not about killing Muslims. Probably was 800yrs ago, but not now. Pillocks.
Whether its about stamping on terrorism, controlling oil, human rights or other politics depends on which fence you sit on. But I don't think anyone agrees its about killing Muslims or Islam?
They dont want to realise. They want to provoke.
Exactly. Because they have discovered they can provoke our useless government into playing right into their hands. >:(
Kevin
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When will the idiots realise that Afgan/Iraq/Middle East is not about killing Muslims. Probably was 800yrs ago, but not now. Pillocks.
Whether its about stamping on terrorism, controlling oil, human rights or other politics depends on which fence you sit on. But I don't think anyone agrees its about killing Muslims or Islam?
They dont want to realise. They want to provoke.
Exactly. Because they have discovered they can provoke our useless government into playing right into their hands. >:(
Kevin
We are a tolerant society, so we have to tolerate the intolerant.
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When will the idiots realise that Afgan/Iraq/Middle East is not about killing Muslims. Probably was 800yrs ago, but not now. Pillocks.
Whether its about stamping on terrorism, controlling oil, human rights or other politics depends on which fence you sit on. But I don't think anyone agrees its about killing Muslims or Islam?
They dont want to realise. They want to provoke.
Exactly. Because they have discovered they can provoke our useless government into playing right into their hands. >:(
Kevin
We are a tolerant society, so we have to tolerate the intolerant.
Speak for yourself ;D
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Perhaps they should be there for the Muslim members of our forces.
There are quite a few.
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As both a recent ex-serviceman (who has carried fair number of coffins both in the aircraft and on my shoulders) and a resident of Wootton Bassett I too was horrified to read the story, but then a few thoughts kicked in......
These "groups" thrive on publicity, they provoke to get the publicity that enables them to "persuade" others to join them. The " debate" on any ban actually fuels their cause regardless. If they are banned then they get a massive "we are downtrodden/picked on/racist/whatever" publicity boost
One of the prime reasons for the initial war on the Taliban was the lack of freedom imposed by that regime on its citizens, the oppression and belittling of women in particular. The whole tenet of "western" philosophy is "freedom of speech" and the "right to protest"
If we "ban" this proposed "march" .. and lets face it it is only proposed at the moment ... are we not being rather hypocritical ?? Do we not give fuel to these folks ??? Would we actually turn an "idea" into a "reality" simply by talking about it ???
I honestly don't know the answer .... but I have a horrible gut feeling that my town, my sense of "right and wrong" and my ideas of "freedom" will all be tested ..... and everyone will lose something .. even if it is only our dignity.
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As both a recent ex-serviceman (who has carried fair number of coffins both in the aircraft and on my shoulders) and a resident of Wootton Bassett I too was horrified to read the story, but then a few thoughts kicked in......
These "groups" thrive on publicity, they provoke to get the publicity that enables them to "persuade" others to join them. The " debate" on any ban actually fuels their cause regardless. If they are banned then they get a massive "we are downtrodden/picked on/racist/whatever" publicity boost
One of the prime reasons for the initial war on the Taliban was the lack of freedom imposed by that regime on its citizens, the oppression and belittling of women in particular. The whole tenet of "western" philosophy is "freedom of speech" and the "right to protest"
If we "ban" this proposed "march" .. and lets face it it is only proposed at the moment ... are we not being rather hypocritical ?? Do we not give fuel to these folks ??? Would we actually turn an "idea" into a "reality" simply by talking about it ???
I honestly don't know the answer .... but I have a horrible gut feeling that my town, my sense of "right and wrong" and my ideas of "freedom" will all be tested ..... and everyone will lose something .. even if it is only our dignity.
I see your point, Entwood, but I believe we should only allow freedom of speech and right to protest to those who would reciprocate. These extremists represent, in my view, groups who would never allow us to speak and protest against terrorism in their own domains, so I am quite happy that they should be denied the right themselves. No hypocrisy. ;)
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We cant win. That's their whole big idea.
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In my eyes Nigel the town of Wooton Bassett will never lose it`s dignity whatever happens. :y
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With any religous group/organisation you always get the small number of "extremists" and, sadly, these are nearly always the ones who get heard.
.........especially Christians & Jews.
Take a good look at the US!
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I dont see Christians or Jews strapping explosives to themselves and indiscriminately blowing innocent people to pieces on Trains /Aeroplanes etc. ;)
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I dont see Christians or Jews strapping explosives to themselves and indiscriminately blowing innocent people to pieces on Trains /Aeroplanes etc. ;)
They tried in Northern Ireland for 30 years ;)
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They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisional IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland. ;)
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it. ;) ;)
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They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisioanal IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland. ;)
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it. ;) ;)
By the time the media got hold of it, a lot of it was in the name of religion. And the media never lie....
I suspect a lot of the radicalised muslims are only doing their killing in the name of religion to somehow justify it....
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or perhaps i should say the argument was split with political and religious following in synergy :-/
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or perhaps i should say the argument was split with political and religious following in synergy :-/
ah fak, what a tosser :-[. You can tell I've worked for the yanks for too long :-[ :-[ :-[
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Whilst I, too, am insensed by the prospect of such a march, held by people I do not believe should even be in this country (the extremists) I feel that if we react in any way they will get what they want --- global publicity.
Would it not be more effective, if it could be arranged, for the whole march to take place without anyone broadcasting it or attending it --- show our contempt by totally ingoring it -- let them march through empty ( boarded up) streets, unwitnessed. They are but ants under our shoes.
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They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisioanal IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland. ;)
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it. ;) ;)
By the time the media got hold of it, a lot of it was in the name of religion. And the media never lie....
I suspect a lot of the radicalised muslims are only doing their killing in the name of religion to somehow justify it....
The Muslim extremists are very tightly bound to their version of their religion imo.They do it in the name of Allah and believe they go to the highest level of paradise after blowing themselves up.
They percieve the Western way of live as an abomination and an affront to all that is right and something which should be destroyed.
The religious link to the N.I. violence ,although present was never as strong.There were (are) two cultures /communities,one of British background, and therefore historically Protestant and the other native Irish background and therefore historically Catholic.
The common denominator between both these problems (and many others) is the fact that the men in the background who pull the strings of the folk at ground level know that if they tie their political cause to the religion of the people who they wish to their dirty deeds for them then they are much more likely to achieve total devotion to the cause. People (particularily poor people) are often completely devoted and unquestioning in their religious beliefs imo.
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The problem in the debate is the separation of those who are religious and those who use it as an identity. Call the entire muslim population in a western country to prayer you'll get a small number. They simply aren't all very religious. Slight or belittle islam and you'll get them all stirred up like a hornet's nest.
A case in point was in Bosnia. After communism only 13% of the muslim population identified themselves as religious, in fact the muslim world calls them 'communist muslims' as they dont really follow it as strictly as elsewhere. Yet when the west did nothing to protect them against the serb and croat aggression pretty much the entire muslim populaion of the world, sunni and shi'ite rose in support of the Bosniaks.
Just my 2 cents.....
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Religions are the root cause of all evils/oppression - Discuss.
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They can be a force for good in some respects imo,but all too often warmongers hitch their wagon to the train of a religion to acquire the most dedicated foot soldiers possible.Teenage suicide bombers being a classic example.Waste of a young but impressionable life.Fathers will kill their own daughters because of religion,so it can be stronger even than the normal/natural family bonds and parental instincts. :(
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Getting back to the original point about the proposed march in Wooton Basset.Yes we are a tolerant country with a history of freedom of speech,but there is a line some where between being tolerant and allowing people to p1$$ up our backs,and imo this country crossed that line a very long time ago.
So I think they should be told that if they do anything to which remotely interferes with the quiet British dignity of what takes place there, they will be taken to the nearest firing range and used for target practice. ;) >:(
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Religions are the root cause of all evils/oppression - Discuss.
What, again? It will do no good. I find it absolutely astounding that, in the 21st century, people still follow their own interpretation of a fairy story cobbled together centuries ago. But that's just me, and I may be a death-bed repenter. ;D
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Religions are the root cause of all evils/oppression - Discuss.
What, again? It will do no good. I find it absolutely astounding that, in the 21st century, people still follow their own interpretation of a fairy story cobbled together centuries ago. But that's just me, and I may be a death-bed repenter. ;D
I'm actually with you on this STMO (a rare occurance :))
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They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisional IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland. ;)
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it. ;) ;)
100% right on the money there A :y :y
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everydays a school day part 263:
so the troubles had nothing to do with religion?
are you smoking crack people? ;D ;D ;D
stmo's right as i've said earlier the sooner we all wake up and ditch these fairytales about invisible superbeings the sooner we can get on with life - its the 21st century ffs - all these medieval stories were made up to keep the rich and powerful rich and powerful, no one seriously still believes in that bs do they? jesus h christ on a bike. 'kin weirdos
as for wootton bassett, if you think occupying a country and killing 100's and 1000s of men women and children is not going to cause protest then i suggest you're gravely deluded. let people who disagree with the government protest freely - in case you're wondering its a basic tenet of living in a democracy - i think some of you would rather a police state, i have more faith in the strength of our democracy and right of free speech - i really would doubt its going to collapse so lets not go nuts :y
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everydays a school day part 263:
so the troubles had nothing to do with religion?
are you smoking crack people? ;D ;D ;D
stmo's right as i've said earlier the sooner we all wake up and ditch these fairytales about invisible superbeings the sooner we can get on with life - its the 21st century ffs - all these medieval stories were made up to keep the rich and powerful rich and powerful, no one seriously still believes in that bs do they? jesus h christ on a bike. 'kin weirdos
as for wootton bassett, if you think occupying a country and killing 100's and 1000s of men women and children is not going to cause protest then i suggest you're gravely deluded. let people who disagree with the government protest freely - in case you're wondering its a basic tenet of living in a democracy - i think some of you would rather a police state, i have more faith in the strength of our democracy and right of free speech - i really would doubt its going to collapse so lets not go nuts :y
so the troubles had nothing to do with religion?
are you smoking crack people?
Would you care to expand on that Bj as you're very much mistaken :( :(
as for wootton bassett, if you think occupying a country and killing 100's and 1000s of men women and children is not going to cause protest then i suggest you're gravely deluded
You've got that one right :y
let people who disagree with the government protest freely - in case you're wondering its a basic tenet of living in a democracy
You've have this one right as well - for the most part.
If the protest is deliberately designed to engender either civil disturbance or public ill-will by its composition, location or way in which it's intended conduct is planned to unfold then there are very good reasons to disallow that protest.
i think some of you would rather a police state, i have more faith in the strength of our democracy and right of free speech - i really would doubt its going to collapse so lets not go nuts
Again correct for the most part.
Sometimes authority must be applied to control the possible outcome of intended acts - rightly so. The privilege of free speech should be jealously guarded in our country as there is little of it to be had in those distant lands to where many of these protesters pledge their allegiance.
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They are planning to march up and down the high st. carrying coffins,tantamount to spitting in the eye of the grieving familys of dead soldiers imo.
We have bent over too far for too long for the muslim extremists imo.Put them in the rather coffins and nail the lids down. If they dont like the way of life in this country - piss off.simples :y >:( >:(
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Or do what the yanks do, Make them swear an oath of allegience. If they wont, deport them as 'undesirable aliens'.
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Or do what the yanks do, Make them swear an oath of allegience. If they wont, deport them as 'undesirable aliens'.
could not agree more stmo
but my 2 pennies are they have already got what they wanted (publicity)
let them march
let the residents go about there lives ignoring them
and let the press print nothing
that is the only way to stop this BS
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They are planning to march up and down the high st. carrying coffins,tantamount to spitting in the eye of the grieving familys of dead soldiers imo.
We have bent over too far for too long for the muslim extremists imo.Put them in the rather coffins and nail the lids down. If they dont like the way of life in this country - piss off.simples :y >:( >:(
Nicely said that man :y :y :y
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Or do what the yanks do, Make them swear an oath of allegience. If they wont, deport them as 'undesirable aliens'.
could not agree more stmo
but my 2 pennies are they have already got what they wanted (publicity)
let them march
let the residents go about there lives ignoring them
and let the press print nothing
that is the only way to stop this BS
Too late. Gordie is sickened and appalled. David will have to chip in now. ;D
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Rotten egg time
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"A senior police officer has called for a provocative march by Islamic extremists through Wootton Bassett, the town renowned for honouring Britain's war dead, not to be banned amid fears it could further inflame tensions."
Wait a second. If he feels that way he should make his feelings known confidentially to the Home Secretary. Going public in this way makes me ask:
"What's it got to do with him?". Senior police officers publicly pontificating over a what is essentially a serious socio-political issue is truly wrong, IMHO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/Wootton-Bassett-protest-Top-officer-says-Anjem-Choudary-DOES-right-march.html
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"A senior police officer has called for a provocative march by Islamic extremists through Wootton Bassett, the town renowned for honouring Britain's war dead, not to be banned amid fears it could further inflame tensions."
Wait a second. If he feels that way he should make his feelings known confidentially to the Home Secretary. Going public in this way makes me ask:
"What's it got to do with him?". Senior police officers publicly pontificating over a what is essentially a serious socio-political issue is truly wrong, IMHO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/Wootton-Bassett-protest-Top-officer-says-Anjem-Choudary-DOES-right-march.html
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That's the trouble nowadays, if you want to get ahead in modern policing - get quoted.
A shameless example of political manoeuvring, the lure of the exalted position within the higher command structure is too much for some to ignore.
The term panderers and whores to self-serving greed and ambition, would accurately convey my thoughts on this matter.
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"A senior police officer has called for a provocative march by Islamic extremists through Wootton Bassett, the town renowned for honouring Britain's war dead, not to be banned amid fears it could further inflame tensions."
Wait a second. If he feels that way he should make his feelings known confidentially to the Home Secretary. Going public in this way makes me ask:
"What's it got to do with him?". Senior police officers publicly pontificating over a what is essentially a serious socio-political issue is truly wrong, IMHO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/Wootton-Bassett-protest-Top-officer-says-Anjem-Choudary-DOES-right-march.html
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That's the trouble nowadays, if you want to get ahead in modern policing - get quoted.
A shameless example of political manoeuvring, the lure of the exalted position within the higher command structure is too much for some to ignore.
The term panderers and whores to self-serving greed and ambition, would accurately convey my thoughts on this matter.
Come on, Zulu, don't beat around the bush!
;) ;D ;D ;D
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"A senior police officer has called for a provocative march by Islamic extremists through Wootton Bassett, the town renowned for honouring Britain's war dead, not to be banned amid fears it could further inflame tensions."
Wait a second. If he feels that way he should make his feelings known confidentially to the Home Secretary. Going public in this way makes me ask:
"What's it got to do with him?". Senior police officers publicly pontificating over a what is essentially a serious socio-political issue is truly wrong, IMHO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/Wootton-Bassett-protest-Top-officer-says-Anjem-Choudary-DOES-right-march.html
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That's the trouble nowadays, if you want to get ahead in modern policing - get quoted.
A shameless example of political manoeuvring, the lure of the exalted position within the higher command structure is too much for some to ignore.
The term panderers and whores to self-serving greed and ambition, would accurately convey my thoughts on this matter.
Come on, Zulu, don't beat around the bush!
;) ;D ;D ;D
Thought you would like that one :y :y