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Title: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Richie London on 19 January 2010, 19:04:38
http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/blog/article/393834/

thank god i havent got a tv with built in freeview
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: STMO999 on 19 January 2010, 19:07:59
HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 19 January 2010, 19:08:45
In that case then they will be breaking the law in calling themselves freeview, as it wont be free anymore.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: waspy on 19 January 2010, 19:09:49
Looks like money for old rope ::)
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Richie London on 19 January 2010, 19:10:53
they obviously knew it was going to happen. another rip off to the consumer
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2010, 19:13:17
*sigh* old news.  This has been floating around since late spring when it was decided MUX B would go to DVB-T2. Keep up.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2010, 19:14:10
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they obviously knew it was going to happen. another rip off to the consumer
It has been common knowledge for over a year, and ratified several months ago.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 19 January 2010, 19:16:01
Is freeview and freesat basically the same thing then?  (Apart from the way the signal arrives)
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Richie London on 19 January 2010, 19:19:26
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they obviously knew it was going to happen. another rip off to the consumer
It has been common knowledge for over a year, and ratified several months ago.

ive only just seen it on the news  :(
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2010, 19:44:57
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Is freeview and freesat basically the same thing then?  (Apart from the way the signal arrives)
Generally more channels on Freesat, including HD channels. No HD channels on Freeview, and when they arrive, will be on a multiplex that no current decoder available can decode.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: KillerWatt on 19 January 2010, 20:09:11
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HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Even on "HD Ready" sets there is a marked improvement when fed with an HD signal (providing the HD interface is actually being used).
Those that can't see it have either got worse eyesight than they thought, or that cheap television really was a cheap piece of chinese shit.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:16:17
Doesn't really matter - TVs don't normally come as PVRs anyway
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:16:49
Huge difference between HD and SD on mine and SD looks pretty good as it is
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2010, 20:22:59
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HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Even on "HD Ready" sets there is a marked improvement when fed with an HD signal (providing the HD interface is actually being used).
Those that can't see it have either got worse eyesight than they thought, or that cheap television really was a cheap piece of chinese shit.
Yup :y

That said, there are some not-so-great HD sources.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: STMO999 on 19 January 2010, 20:27:07
Let me get this straight. I am assuming that the programmes transmitted in HD will also be transmitted in SD? If so, who cares. If not, then I'll be asking for a reduction in my license fee.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2010, 20:28:49
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Let me get this straight. I am assuming that the programmes transmitted in HD will also be transmitted in SD? If so, who cares. If not, then I'll be asking for a reduction in my license fee.
Mostly, yes. There are seperate channels, so stuff may be shown at different times, with different repeat schedules.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:29:05
shITV 1 HD is no great shakes and they ignore complaints.

Picture not great, sound poor and a really huge crap yellow logo plastered all over the screen.

Put it this way we used ITV HD last year for Kingdom and Doc Martin. Kingdom cancelled and Doc Martin we will use Freeview SD as a bright yellow logo is too distracting.

Dramas and Films - no logo on BBC HD, I don't know how much longer chief knob jockey will manage to avoid removing it totally.

You know these broadcasters are thick as poo, don't they realise that early adopters are also sticklers for quality.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2010, 20:30:20
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shITV 1 HD is no great shakes and they ignore complaints.

Picture not great, sound poor and a really huge crap yellow logo plastered all over the screen.

Put it this way we used ITV HD last year for Kingdom and Doc Martin. Kingdom cancelled and Doc Martin we will use Freeview SD as a bright yellow logo is too distracting.

Dramas and Films - no logo on BBC HD, I don't know how much longer chief knob jockey will manage to avoid removing it totally.

You know these broadcasters are thick as poo, don't they realise that early adopters are also sticklers for quality.
Beeb are getting a shedload of flack over quality since changing encoders as well.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: KillerWatt on 19 January 2010, 20:31:30
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HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Even on "HD Ready" sets there is a marked improvement when fed with an HD signal (providing the HD interface is actually being used).
Those that can't see it have either got worse eyesight than they thought, or that cheap television really was a cheap piece of chinese shit.
Yup :y

That said, there are some not-so-great HD sources.
Absolutely TB, it all comes down to you get what you pay for.

Most of my friends thought that the shrinks were right when I laid out £2000 on a pair of subs for the living room, (unsurprisingly) those same friends soon changed their opinions when they heard the subs playing in real life.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:31:48
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shITV 1 HD is no great shakes and they ignore complaints.

Picture not great, sound poor and a really huge crap yellow logo plastered all over the screen.

Put it this way we used ITV HD last year for Kingdom and Doc Martin. Kingdom cancelled and Doc Martin we will use Freeview SD as a bright yellow logo is too distracting.

Dramas and Films - no logo on BBC HD, I don't know how much longer chief knob jockey will manage to avoid removing it totally.

You know these broadcasters are thick as poo, don't they realise that early adopters are also sticklers for quality.
Beeb are getting a shedload of flack over quality since changing encoders as well.


Not bad on static shots but degrades on fades quite badly. Moved from 15mbps MPEG2 to 9mbps MPEG4. Will get better when the stolen 6mpbs is used and stat muxed with BBC HD
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: STMO999 on 19 January 2010, 20:33:44
I'm watching the football on ITV. Just had a close-up of Wayne Rooney. rather horrible, dont want that in HD thank you.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:33:54
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HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Even on "HD Ready" sets there is a marked improvement when fed with an HD signal (providing the HD interface is actually being used).
Those that can't see it have either got worse eyesight than they thought, or that cheap television really was a cheap piece of chinese shit.
Yup :y

That said, there are some not-so-great HD sources.
Absolutely TB, it all comes down to you get what you pay for.

Most of my friends thought that the shrinks were right when I laid out £2000 on a pair of subs for the living room, (unsurprisingly) those same friends soon changed their opinions when they heard the subs playing in real life.


Am I the only one who looks at a load of TVs and compares them?

I have about a grands worth of Castle speakers - 4 bought in sales
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:34:44
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I'm watching the football on ITV. Just had a close-up of Wayne Rooney. rather horrible, dont want that in HD thank you.


Is that the Shrek lookalike?
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: STMO999 on 19 January 2010, 20:35:43
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I'm watching the football on ITV. Just had a close-up of Wayne Rooney. rather horrible, dont want that in HD thank you.


Is that the Shrek lookalike?

Couldn't have put it better myself Martin. ;D
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:39:17
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I'm watching the football on ITV. Just had a close-up of Wayne Rooney. rather horrible, dont want that in HD thank you.


Is that the Shrek lookalike?

Couldn't have put it better myself Martin. ;D


One of the manufactured bands had a Shrek as well, trying to search on Shrek look alike - only footballist Rooney came up
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 20:40:51
Sue said Hearsay - search returned someone called Danny
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: KillerWatt on 19 January 2010, 20:52:57
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HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Even on "HD Ready" sets there is a marked improvement when fed with an HD signal (providing the HD interface is actually being used).
Those that can't see it have either got worse eyesight than they thought, or that cheap television really was a cheap piece of chinese shit.
Yup :y

That said, there are some not-so-great HD sources.
Absolutely TB, it all comes down to you get what you pay for.

Most of my friends thought that the shrinks were right when I laid out £2000 on a pair of subs for the living room, (unsurprisingly) those same friends soon changed their opinions when they heard the subs playing in real life.


Am I the only one who looks at a load of TVs and compares them?

I have about a grands worth of Castle speakers - 4 bought in sales
I can't be arsed with TV full stop, although the missus & kids have ensured that it is there for them.
My weakness (apart from supporting the local landlord) is music.
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 21:00:40
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HD is crap. It's no better than SD on most tvs anyway.
Even on "HD Ready" sets there is a marked improvement when fed with an HD signal (providing the HD interface is actually being used).
Those that can't see it have either got worse eyesight than they thought, or that cheap television really was a cheap piece of chinese shit.
Yup :y

That said, there are some not-so-great HD sources.
Absolutely TB, it all comes down to you get what you pay for.

Most of my friends thought that the shrinks were right when I laid out £2000 on a pair of subs for the living room, (unsurprisingly) those same friends soon changed their opinions when they heard the subs playing in real life.


Am I the only one who looks at a load of TVs and compares them?

I have about a grands worth of Castle speakers - 4 bought in sales
I can't be arsed with TV full stop, although the missus & kids have ensured that it is there for them.
My weakness (apart from supporting the local landlord) is music.


I watch two or three things a day. But I do like good documentries and also the better dramas such as Spooks, Hustle, LOM/ATA, Survivors, Doc Who, also I reckon 3/4 of what I watch is BBC, I don't do soaps, reality, most sport except motorsports, Olympics and Rugby internationals with England.

US sit coms leave me cold. Few decent UK ones apart from IT Crowd and Benidorm
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2010, 21:04:44
Films however - I like films, but can't afford all the BD and refuse to stay DVD.

Big TV decent surround sound with HiFi speakers, a PS3 and entertainment central, play a film, or play a movie - this US ad is brilliant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaVsmnpEtE0

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaVsmnpEtE0[/media]
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 19 January 2010, 22:12:43
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Let me get this straight. I am assuming that the programmes transmitted in HD will also be transmitted in SD? If so, who cares. If not, then I'll be asking for a reduction in my license fee.

Thought at your age it was free..... ::)
Title: Re: bad news for HD tvs with freeview
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 January 2010, 22:17:15
Shock! Horror! You buy an SD set top box and it can't receive HD. ::)

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Even those who have recently bought an HD-ready TV with a built-in digital receiver could be affected and forced to upgrade as well

Really? They'll be frog marched down to Currys?

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The Daily Mail reports that...

Ahh! Now I understand. Move along. Nothing to see....

Kevin