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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: PhilRich on 20 January 2010, 16:58:42
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Or has Lizzie delusions of grandeur? :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :y
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I don't think it's delusions ... I think the forum software is male orientated and has made her a "King" so she's fighting back ... :)
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Just wait until I instruct Philip to join you lot!! ::) ::) ::)
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Just wait until I instruct Philip to join you lot!! ::) ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
But i'm already here Liz ::) ;)
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Just wait until I instruct Philip to join you lot!! ::) ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
But i'm already here Liz ::) ;)
What are you doing there already? :o :o :o :o
I asked you to walk the corggies two hours ago!! >:( >:( >:(
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How many times Elizabeth! They're Corgi's Gel, Corgi's!!! Bloody Estuary English! ::) ;)
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Ma`am....... :-*
Meus optimus regina , ego sum vestri vernula. ;)
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How many times Elizabeth! They're Corgi's Gel, Corgi's!!! Bloody Estuary English! ::) ;)
Well one does pronounce them as coooorggggggies, doesn't one? :D :D ;) ;) As your Queen this cannot be disputed, unless you would like a few weeks in the Tower!! ;D ;D ;D
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How many times Elizabeth! They're Corgi's Gel, Corgi's!!! Bloody Estuary English! ::) ;)
Well one does pronounce them as coooorggggggies, doesn't one? :D :D ;) ;) As your Queen this cannot be disputed, unless you would like a few weeks in the Tower!! ;D ;D ;D
Chained to the wall :o :o
I rather like Elizabeth instead of Lizzie. It's more womanly :-*
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How many times Elizabeth! They're Corgi's Gel, Corgi's!!! Bloody Estuary English! ::) ;)
Well one does pronounce them as coooorggggggies, doesn't one? :D :D ;) ;) As your Queen this cannot be disputed, unless you would like a few weeks in the Tower!! ;D ;D ;D
Chained to the wall :o :o
I rather like Elizabeth instead of Lizzie. It's more womanly :-*
Thanks Pete! :-* :-* :y :y
I though it was time for a change :D ;)
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Ma`am....... :-*
Meus optimus regina , ego sum vestri vernula. ;)
:D :D :-* :-* :y
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Ma`am....... :-*
Meus optimus regina , ego sum vestri vernula. ;)
Who's had a Latin dictionary for Christmas then? ;D ;D ;D
And, Nice one Lizzie :y
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How many times Elizabeth! They're Corgi's Gel, Corgi's!!! Bloody Estuary English! ::) ;)
Well one does pronounce them as coooorggggggies, doesn't one? :D :D ;) ;) As your Queen this cannot be disputed, unless you would like a few weeks in the Tower!! ;D ;D ;D
That's no threat 'Madge', after 60 years living in Buck House, a few weeks Hols with the Ravens would be Super, and no bloody 'coooorggggggies' to boot! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Ma`am....... :-*
Meus optimus regina , ego sum vestri vernula. ;)
:D :D :-* :-* :y
[size=14]Now [/size]you're talking, 8-) 8-) 8-) :-* :-* :y
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Just wait until I instruct Philip to join you lot!! ::) ::) ::)
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Bless you Lizzie, I might just do that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just wait until I instruct Philip to join you lot!! ::) ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
But i'm already here Liz ::) ;)
You are a mere knight.
Guess what my tittle is. ::)
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Ma`am....... :-*
Meus optimus regina , ego sum vestri vernula. ;)
In the spirit of pedantry oft observed on this forum, may I most respectfully enquire if you actually meant
Mea regina optima, ego sum tua serva
My Latin is very, very rusty, and I failed my 'O' Level twice about 48 years ago, so please accept my deepest apologies if I have misunderstood your meaning.
Of course, I could ask my wife (University Latin course) but she'd ask me why I'm wasting my time on this. Or my daughter ('A' Level Latin), but she's far to busy. Or my friend Roger who translates early religious texts as a hobby and has produced one of the best Latin translation tools available on the Internet, but he wouldn't be amused. Or I could even go and get the (unopened) Latin Grammar book someone gave me for Christmas two years ago. (No, I don't know why. It must have seemed like a good idea at the time :))
Or just bl**dy put me out of my misery and tell me what it means :( :( :(
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Loosly translated I believe its
"My great Queen, I am your servant"
but it is a long time since I did any Latin .. :(
and I think Debs version the more accurate .. but willing to be proved wrong ... :)
EDIT
Google found me this site ...
http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Latin&to=English
Debs version translates as : "My best queen , I to be your servant"
Jers is : "My queen aristocratics , I to be your being saved"
so Debs gets my vote .. :)
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........Or I could even go and get the (unopened) Latin Grammar book someone gave me for Christmas two years ago........
Is that type of gift usual? ;D
The 'dodgy' Latin was just meant in jest; no need to wrack brains much-worthier (and doubtlessly well versed) than ours. ;)
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Or I could even go and get the (unopened) Latin Grammar book someone gave me for Christmas two years ago
Is that type of gift usual? ;D
The 'dodgy' Latin was just meant in jest; no need to wrack brains much-worthier (and doubtlessly well versed) than ours. ;)
If "useless" can be categorised as a type, then the answer has to be yes!
More specifically, that happens to be the first Latin grammar anyone has ever given me. The same year, I was given a book of Shakespeare quiz questions which were so difficult, I never got off the first page. :(
I will say no more. And my apologies for doubting your linguistic skills. :)
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Loosly translated I believe its
"My great Queen, I am your servant"
but it is a long time since I did any Latin .. :(
and I think Debs version the more accurate .. but willing to be proved wrong ... :)
EDIT
Google found me this site ...
http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Latin&to=English
Debs version translates as : "My best queen , I to be your servant"
Jers is : "My queen aristocratics , I to be your being saved"
so Debs gets my vote .. :)
That's very interesting. I've looked at several translators this evening, and they all seem to be word-based, rather than phrase or sentence based. My effort was an attempt to impose what I remember of Latin grammar onto what Debs wrote; in particular, I tried to make the possessive pronouns and adjectives agree with the noun they qualify. Main problems were that "optimus" has specialised meanings, and "ego sum" just isn't used in Latin - the "ego" is implicit in the "sum".
But I have a challenge here, and I will crack it! :D :D :D
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These great words are perhaps as relevent today as they were when spoken at Tilbury in 1588;
My loving people,
We have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit our selves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear, I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good-will of my subjects; and therefore I am come amongst you, as you see, at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live and die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust. I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, for your forwardness you have deserved rewards and crowns; and We do assure you in the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean time, my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over those enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.
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These great words are perhaps as relevent today as they were when spoken at Tilbury in 1588;
My loving people,
We have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit our selves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear, I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good-will of my subjects; and therefore I am come amongst you, as you see, at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live and die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust. I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, for your forwardness you have deserved rewards and crowns; and We do assure you in the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean time, my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over those enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.
And your point is??????? ;D
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These great words are perhaps as relevent today as they were when spoken at Tilbury in 1588;
My loving people,
We have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit our selves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear, I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good-will of my subjects; and therefore I am come amongst you, as you see, at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live and die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust. I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, for your forwardness you have deserved rewards and crowns; and We do assure you in the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean time, my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over those enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.
And your point is??????? ;D
;D ;D splendid :y :y
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That speech puts me in mind of Tony Blair.Selfless service to ones country etc. :y
::) ::) :D :D ;D ;D
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These great words are perhaps as relevent today as they were when spoken at Tilbury in 1588;
My loving people,
We have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit our selves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear, I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good-will of my subjects; and therefore I am come amongst you, as you see, at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live and die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust. I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, for your forwardness you have deserved rewards and crowns; and We do assure you in the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean time, my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over those enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.
Please remind me - I didn't do history at school.
1588 - Spanish Armada. Francis Drake playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe. Spanish fleet struggling in the Bay of Biscay.
What exactly was HM QE1 doing in Tilbury? Booking a quick passage to Holland in case it all went wrong?
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Please remind me - I didn't do history at school.
1588 - Spanish Armada. Francis Drake playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe. Spanish fleet struggling in the Bay of Biscay.
What exactly was HM QE1 doing in Tilbury? Booking a quick passage to Holland in case it all went wrong?
Trying to keep the chaps motivated perhaps;
This famous speech was given by British monarch Elizabeth I in 1588 as England prepared for an invasion by King Philip of Spain and his powerful Armada. Victory for the English was in no way certain, but the expected invasion was averted when an unexpected and powerful wind blew the Armada away from the English shores.
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That speech puts me in mind of Tony Blair.Selfless service to ones country etc. :y
::) ::) :D :D ;D ;D
Where do you think he lifted it from? ;D ;D
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Please remind me - I didn't do history at school.
1588 - Spanish Armada. Francis Drake playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe. Spanish fleet struggling in the Bay of Biscay.
What exactly was HM QE1 doing in Tilbury? Booking a quick passage to Holland in case it all went wrong?
Trying to keep the chaps motivated perhaps;
This famous speech was given by British monarch Elizabeth I in 1588 as England prepared for an invasion by King Philip of Spain and his powerful Armada. Victory for the English was in no way certain, but the expected invasion was averted when an unexpected and powerful wind blew the Armada away from the English shores.
The word around Essex is, she was actually looking for Lakeside shopping centre. ;) :D ;D
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interesting thread.. to learn latin and English together..
watching.. :)
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Please remind me - I didn't do history at school.
1588 - Spanish Armada. Francis Drake playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe. Spanish fleet struggling in the Bay of Biscay.
What exactly was HM QE1 doing in Tilbury? Booking a quick passage to Holland in case it all went wrong?
Trying to keep the chaps motivated perhaps;
This famous speech was given by British monarch Elizabeth I in 1588 as England prepared for an invasion by King Philip of Spain and his powerful Armada. Victory for the English was in no way certain, but the expected invasion was averted when an unexpected and powerful wind blew the Armada away from the English shores.
This great speech was given by Elizabeth on the morning of the 9th August 1588 to the 4,000 troops who had gathered at Tilbury, after the actual threat from the Spanish fleet itself had passed.
The Armada of 130 ships manned by 30,000 was first spotted off the Lizard on the 19th July on it's way to the Neatherlands to pick up Duke of Parma's army and escort them in the invasion force into England. The English navy was commanded by Admiral Lord Howard of Effingham, assisted by the extremely experienced Sir Francis Drake, and with 150 ships gathered at Plymouth they commenced a series of attacking moves against the Spanish fleet as they moved East up the English Channel, with individual galleons picked off. However at midnight on the 28th July the English sent "hell-burners" or fire ships into the Armada anchored off Calais, burning and scattering them until they had lost all formation and were unable to regroup in the shape or numbers required for the invasion. The following 29th July witnessed the English fleet overwhelm the remaining Spanish fleet, with the loss of 11 ships and 2,000 men, against just 50 English sailors lost. The morale amongst the Armada was destroyed, and on the 30th July the remaining ships in the Armada was scattered by changing strong winds (known as the "Protestant wind") that sent them north, effectively ending their campaign, with of course many wrecked subsequently around the British Isles.
Elizabeth at Tilbury on the 9th August therefore knew that the threat from the Armada was over, but was equally aware that she and England still faced a potential invasion from Parma's 16,000 troops in the Netherlands. However without the protection of the Spanish fleet Parma decided not to attempt an invasion. The Armada itself had lost 44 ships and 20,000 men.
Hope this clarifies the event. ;) ;)
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Please remind me - I didn't do history at school.
1588 - Spanish Armada. Francis Drake playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe. Spanish fleet struggling in the Bay of Biscay.
What exactly was HM QE1 doing in Tilbury? Booking a quick passage to Holland in case it all went wrong?
Trying to keep the chaps motivated perhaps;
This famous speech was given by British monarch Elizabeth I in 1588 as England prepared for an invasion by King Philip of Spain and his powerful Armada. Victory for the English was in no way certain, but the expected invasion was averted when an unexpected and powerful wind blew the Armada away from the English shores.
This great speech was given by Elizabeth on the morning of the 9th August 1588 to the 4,000 troops who had gathered at Tilbury, after the actual threat from the Spanish fleet itself had passed.
The Armada of 130 ships manned by 30,000 was first spotted off the Lizard on the 19th July on it's way to the Neatherlands to pick up Duke of Parma's army and escort them in the invasion force into England. The English navy was commanded by Admiral Lord Howard of Effingham, assisted by the extremely experienced Sir Francis Drake, and with 150 ships gathered at Plymouth they commenced a series of attacking moves against the Spanish fleet as they moved East up the English Channel, with individual galleons picked off. However at midnight on the 28th July the English sent "hell-burners" or fire ships into the Armada anchored off Calais, burning and scattering them until they had lost all formation and were unable to regroup in the shape or numbers required for the invasion. The following 29th July witnessed the English fleet overwhelm the remaining Spanish fleet, with the loss of 11 ships and 2,000 men, against just 50 English sailors lost. The morale amongst the Armada was destroyed, and on the 30th July the remaining ships in the Armada was scattered by changing strong winds (known as the "Protestant wind") that sent them north, effectively ending their campaign, with of course many wrecked subsequently around the British Isles.
Elizabeth at Tilbury on the 9th August therefore knew that the threat from the Armada was over, but was equally aware that she and England still faced a potential invasion from Parma's 16,000 troops in the Neatherlands. However without the protection of the Spanish fleet Parma decided not to attempt an invasion. The Armada itself had lost 44 ships and 20,000 men.
Hope this clarifies the event. ;) ;)
Invaded by Neanderthals? That would have been a neat trick.
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Please remind me - I didn't do history at school.
1588 - Spanish Armada. Francis Drake playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe. Spanish fleet struggling in the Bay of Biscay.
What exactly was HM QE1 doing in Tilbury? Booking a quick passage to Holland in case it all went wrong?
Trying to keep the chaps motivated perhaps;
This famous speech was given by British monarch Elizabeth I in 1588 as England prepared for an invasion by King Philip of Spain and his powerful Armada. Victory for the English was in no way certain, but the expected invasion was averted when an unexpected and powerful wind blew the Armada away from the English shores.
This great speech was given by Elizabeth on the morning of the 9th August 1588 to the 4,000 troops who had gathered at Tilbury, after the actual threat from the Spanish fleet itself had passed.
The Armada of 130 ships manned by 30,000 was first spotted off the Lizard on the 19th July on it's way to the Neatherlands to pick up Duke of Parma's army and escort them in the invasion force into England. The English navy was commanded by Admiral Lord Howard of Effingham, assisted by the extremely experienced Sir Francis Drake, and with 150 ships gathered at Plymouth they commenced a series of attacking moves against the Spanish fleet as they moved East up the English Channel, with individual galleons picked off. However at midnight on the 28th July the English sent "hell-burners" or fire ships into the Armada anchored off Calais, burning and scattering them until they had lost all formation and were unable to regroup in the shape or numbers required for the invasion. The following 29th July witnessed the English fleet overwhelm the remaining Spanish fleet, with the loss of 11 ships and 2,000 men, against just 50 English sailors lost. The morale amongst the Armada was destroyed, and on the 30th July the remaining ships in the Armada was scattered by changing strong winds (known as the "Protestant wind") that sent them north, effectively ending their campaign, with of course many wrecked subsequently around the British Isles.
Elizabeth at Tilbury on the 9th August therefore knew that the threat from the Armada was over, but was equally aware that she and England still faced a potential invasion from Parma's 16,000 troops in the Neatherlands. However without the protection of the Spanish fleet Parma decided not to attempt an invasion. The Armada itself had lost 44 ships and 20,000 men.
Hope this clarifies the event. ;) ;)
Invaded by Neanderthals? That would have been a neat trick.
Oops!! ::) ::) :D :D ;) Netherlands of course!
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and for your homework this week children....... ;D ;D ;D
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This great speech was given by Elizabeth on the morning of the 9th August 1588 to the 4,000 troops who had gathered at Tilbury, after the actual threat from the Spanish fleet itself had passed.
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Hope this clarifies the event. ;) ;)
Thanks for the history lesson - don't think I knew much of that before :) :) :)
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Who was it that said we must study history to save us making the same mistakes again?
He was talking through his arse I suspect. ;D
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Ah Tilbury :'( fond memories the ferry to Gravesend , Worlds End ,and the Fort, St Chads Road etc ;D ;D
how,s my translation have i still got it ;D ;D ;D
Hello Gary
whotcha Gal :y
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This great speech was given by Elizabeth on the morning of the 9th August 1588 to the 4,000 troops who had gathered at Tilbury, after the actual threat from the Spanish fleet itself had passed.
The Armada of 130 ships manned by 30,000 was first spotted off the Lizard on the 19th July on it's way to the Neatherlands to pick up Duke of Parma's army and escort them in the invasion force into England. The English navy was commanded by Admiral Lord Howard of Effingham, assisted by the extremely experienced Sir Francis Drake, and with 150 ships gathered at Plymouth they commenced a series of attacking moves against the Spanish fleet as they moved East up the English Channel, with individual galleons picked off. However at midnight on the 28th July the English sent "hell-burners" or fire ships into the Armada anchored off Calais, burning and scattering them until they had lost all formation and were unable to regroup in the shape or numbers required for the invasion. The following 29th July witnessed the English fleet overwhelm the remaining Spanish fleet, with the loss of 11 ships and 2,000 men, against just 50 English sailors lost. The morale amongst the Armada was destroyed, and on the 30th July the remaining ships in the Armada was scattered by changing strong winds (known as the "Protestant wind") that sent them north, effectively ending their campaign, with of course many wrecked subsequently around the British Isles.
Elizabeth at Tilbury on the 9th August therefore knew that the threat from the Armada was over, but was equally aware that she and England still faced a potential invasion from Parma's 16,000 troops in the Netherlands. However without the protection of the Spanish fleet Parma decided not to attempt an invasion. The Armada itself had lost 44 ships and 20,000 men.
Hope this clarifies the event. ;) ;)
I'm pleased that you put some flesh on the bones of my answer to JB, Elizabeth.
These were indeed wonderful words spoken by a strong and determined Monarch during some dangerous and unsettled times.
My point in posting the text in the first place was to not only illustrate this and to celebrate the greatness of our language, but also to bemoan the fact that we seem to lack such a national figure at the moment.
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...but also to bemoan the fact that we seem to lack such a national figure at the moment.
We have Gordon!
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...but also to bemoan the fact that we seem to lack such a national figure at the moment.
We have Gordon!
I think Elizabeth 2 would have given Elizabeth 1 a run for her money. She's got more about her than any of our so called political leaders. God bless you Ma'am.
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...but also to bemoan the fact that we seem to lack such a national figure at the moment.
We have Gordon!
.....and I am indeed gratified by that fact J - to the extent that I now rest easily in the sure and certain knowledge that, in the Prime Minister, we have a leader of the highest calibre who will wrest this nation from the looming disaster of the next Conservative government.
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...but also to bemoan the fact that we seem to lack such a national figure at the moment.
We have Gordon!
We also have Simon Cowell!! ::) ::) ::)
You may laugh, but he even gets phone calls from the PM to organise events!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ma`am....... :-*
Meus optimus regina , ego sum vestri vernula. ;)
:D :D :-* :-* :y
[size=14]Now [/size]you're talking, 8-) 8-) 8-) :-* :-* :y
The only Latin I know is "lobsterissimus bumikissimus", courtesy of Derek and Clive live. ;) :D ;D ;D
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...but also to bemoan the fact that we seem to lack such a national figure at the moment.
We have Gordon!
We also have Simon Cowell!! ::) ::) ::)
You may laugh, but he even gets phone calls from the PM to organise events!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Christ help us :( :( :( :(
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He has had over 2000 years to do that uncle Z and he hasnt so far, so I think its a safe bet that he isnt going to. ;) :D ;D
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He has had over 2000 years to do that uncle Z and he hasnt so far, so I think its a safe bet that he isnt going to. ;) :D ;D
I think you might be right, my son :y :y
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He has had over 2000 years to do that uncle Z and he hasnt so far, so I think its a safe bet that he isnt going to. ;) :D ;D
I think you might be right, my son :y :y
I was appointed by God, so he has got that much right!
Elizabeth R.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)