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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 22 January 2010, 10:25:50
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"Motorists and air passengers face higher “green taxes” under Conservative plans to fund tax breaks for married couples, The Daily Telegraph can disclose."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/7047828/Tory-tax-on-drivers-to-pay-for-marriage-allowance.html
I could make many comments about this, but since I concur with everything written about it in the link below, I'll let it do the talking...
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/agendas-merge.html
PS Wonder where they got that Tory poster from? ;)
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That's easy to answer. I'll just marry my Omega :D
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George Osborne denied there was any truth in the Telegraph article on the Today programme this morning. :-/
Cameron does, in general, appear to be doing an appalling job of shooting at an open goal though. ;D
Kevin
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George Osborne denied there was any truth in the Telegraph article on the Today programme this morning. :-/
Cameron does, in general, appear to be doing an appalling job of shooting at an open goal though. ;D
Kevin
Then it is true, then. ;) ;D
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The dire situation of this country's finances mean that any party that forms the government after the next election must raise taxes where they can, not only to pay for any amendments of policy but also to pay off our huge debts that the Labour Government have lumbered us with!
We can debate where, how or not of these taxes, but how else can any government pay for our debts? If it is taxes on flying, lets face it still a luxury for most, then so be it. If it is on motoring, I for one am not happy. But if there is no other way to avoid wholesale cuts in public services and the raising of tax on other essential commodities (like food??), then so be it! I would be keen though to see tax on cigarettes and alcohol doubled if that is what is required.
One thing for sure, we cannot continue to live beyond our means!!
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The dire situation of this country's finances mean that any party that forms the government after the next election must raise taxes where they can, not only to pay for any amendments of policy but also to pay off our huge debts that the Labour Government have lumbered us with!
We can debate where, how or not of these taxes, but how else can any government pay for our debts? If it is taxes on flying, lets face it still a luxury for most, then so be it. If it is on motoring, I for one am not happy. But if there is no other way to avoid wholesale cuts in public services and the raising of tax on other essential commodities (like food??), then so be it! I would be keen though to see tax on cigarettes and alcohol doubled if that is what is required.
One thing for sure, we cannot continue to live beyond our means!!
Try cutting public spending. It's not rocket science (although to most on the Westminster gravy train, it seems to be). :(
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...and we could also save money by rethinking our membership of the EUSSR.
EU membership costs us £5.7m per hour, or £96,271 per minute.
Simples. ;)
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The dire situation of this country's finances mean that any party that forms the government after the next election must raise taxes where they can, not only to pay for any amendments of policy but also to pay off our huge debts that the Labour Government have lumbered us with!
We can debate where, how or not of these taxes, but how else can any government pay for our debts? If it is taxes on flying, lets face it still a luxury for most, then so be it. If it is on motoring, I for one am not happy. But if there is no other way to avoid wholesale cuts in public services and the raising of tax on other essential commodities (like food??), then so be it! I would be keen though to see tax on cigarettes and alcohol doubled if that is what is required.
One thing for sure, we cannot continue to live beyond our means!!
Try cutting public spending. It's not rocket science (although to most on the Westminster gravy train, it seems to be). :(
They are, as it is not "public spending" around the offices of Whitehall due to that producing only very limited savings compared to the billion we owe! No, in reality it is the Armed Services, the NHS, Education, Social Services, the Police Service, Transport, amongst others that are in the firing line!
Do we really want any of those cut?............sorry, no time to answer as they are being cut as we speak!! >:( >:(
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...and we could also save money by rethinking our membership of the EUSSR.
EU membership costs us £5.7m per hour, or £96,271 per minute.
Simples. ;)
Outstanding :y :y
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...and we could also save money by rethinking our membership of the EUSSR.
EU membership costs us £5.7m per hour, or £96,271 per minute.
Simples. ;)
Outstanding :y :y
But leaving the EU in the foreseeable future is not a realistic option Nick, so tax increases / spending cuts must come from else where in both the short and long term. 'Fantasy' cuts will not happen, and instead our politicians must focus on the facts of the real today ;) ;)
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thanks Nickbat - good link to the Euro guy - I have to tell you tho I'm genuinely shocked by this..........the Tories actually have a plan??? :o :o
for my tuppence tho I don't think Cameron is genuine when he does all this greenie stuff, I think he thinks its what people want to hear, but he's rapidly finding that it isn't and, more crucially it's not what his party want to hear - cue massive backtracking/denials etc from the worm-faced squirmer :y
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...and we could also save money by rethinking our membership of the EUSSR.
EU membership costs us £5.7m per hour, or £96,271 per minute.
Simples. ;)
Outstanding :y :y
But leaving the EU in the foreseeable future is not a realistic option Nick, so tax increases / spending cuts must come from else where in both the short and long term. 'Fantasy' cuts will not happen, and instead our politicians must focus on the facts of the real today ;) ;)
I think that's a fair comment Elizabeth but I wonder if it's possible to re-negoiate our level of financial contribution?
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...and we could also save money by rethinking our membership of the EUSSR.
EU membership costs us £5.7m per hour, or £96,271 per minute.
Simples. ;)
Outstanding :y :y
But leaving the EU in the foreseeable future is not a realistic option Nick, so tax increases / spending cuts must come from else where in both the short and long term. 'Fantasy' cuts will not happen, and instead our politicians must focus on the facts of the real today ;) ;)
I think that's a fair comment Elizabeth but I wonder if it's possible to re-negoiate our level of financial contribution?
Very unlikely in the foreseeable future Zulu, and that will take time. This country has not the benefit of that luxury :( :(
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...and we could also save money by rethinking our membership of the EUSSR.
EU membership costs us £5.7m per hour, or £96,271 per minute.
Simples. ;)
Outstanding :y :y
But leaving the EU in the foreseeable future is not a realistic option Nick, so tax increases / spending cuts must come from else where in both the short and long term. 'Fantasy' cuts will not happen, and instead our politicians must focus on the facts of the real today ;) ;)
I think that's a fair comment Elizabeth but I wonder if it's possible to re-negoiate our level of financial contribution?
Very unlikely in the foreseeable future Zulu, and that will take time. This country has not the benefit of that luxury :( :(
I can agree that, however the thing that ticks me off is the continual default of considering the motorist as being a cash-cow to, and panacea for, the financial ills of the nation.
I haven't read the Telegraph article in full but when the 'green' word is invoked by DC I smell the malign influence of Zac bloody Goldsmith and Tim friggin' Yeo.
I understand that front line services have to be protected from spending cuts as much as possible but I would suggest that there are other areas of public expenditure that can be justifiably targeted - quangos and the like.
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UK Plc could save a fortune if they closed the door and returned illegal immigrants... All the other countries can do it :-? :-?
Perhaps a reduction in benefits for the people who turn up, cap in hand, from other countries expecting a hand out >:( >:(
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No chance of Britain leaving the EU now or in the foreseeable future. However renegotiating the contribution might be an idea. Some honest facts and figures and debate would be helpful too.
Another place to start might be cutting down on fraud which costs everyone in Britain £621 per year. Benefit, insurance, bank etc etc.
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No chance of Britain leaving the EU now or in the foreseeable future. However renegotiating the contribution might be an idea. Some honest facts and figures and debate would be helpful too.Another place to start might be cutting down on fraud which costs everyone in Britain £621 per year. Benefit, insurance, bank etc etc.
I think that might be a big 'ask' V - although a very justifiable one - and about as unlikely as our departing the fold :( :(
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get rid of the extra 500,000 plus non jobs created in the public sector by this shower in the last decade.
Put the public sector employees into money purchase pension schemes, the same as the workers in the real world.
Cut the socail security budget by 50% - abolish most of the benifits and make all the reamaining ones tightly means tested.
Job done. ;)
The new mantra for the U.K. - Small government. :y
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get rid of the extra 500,000 plus non jobs created in the public sector by this shower in the last decade.
Put the public sector employees into money purchase pension schemes, the same as the workers in the real world.
Cut the socail security budget by 50% - abolish most of the benifits and make all the reamaining ones tightly means tested.
Job done. ;)
The new mantra for the U.K. - Small government. :y
I knew that you would come through for us my son 8-) 8-) :y
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It is the wisdom of the East uncle. :y :D ;D ;D ::)
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It is the wisdom of the East uncle. :y :D ;D ;D ::)
;D ;D ;D :y Here's another way perhaps;
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/kill-the-poor%2c-says-cameron-200912212328/
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get rid of the extra 500,000 plus non jobs created in the public sector by this shower in the last decade.
Put the public sector employees into money purchase pension schemes, the same as the workers in the real world.
Cut the socail security budget by 50% - abolish most of the benifits and make all the reamaining ones tightly means tested.
Job done. ;)
The new mantra for the U.K. - Small government. :y
What's socail security?
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One day you will gorget to use spellcheck, and I will be there waiting.......... ;) :P ;D
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One day you will gorget to use spellcheck, and I will be there waiting.......... ;) :P ;D
What's spellcheck? :-/
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Ive heard of it ,but obviously I dont know what it is.
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George Osborne denied there was any truth in the Telegraph article on the Today programme this morning. :-/
Cameron does, in general, appear to be doing an appalling job of shooting at an open goal though. ;D
Kevin
Then it is true, then. ;) ;D
Told you so! ;)
http://order-order.com/2010/01/22/osborne-misled-today-show/
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
I have and I have. ;)
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I kind of agree.If you drive a car bigger than 1.6 and believe in GWT then you should have no right to complain if you pay a lot more tax as a result.If you dont believe however, you are obviously a very wise person and the country is fortunate to have you in residence and should therefore pay you to live here. :y ;D ;D
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
Possibly LD. But I was talking about folk who tell us that we must save the planet, and drive a 3.0/3.2 litre car. You know who you are.
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
Possibly LD. But I was talking about folk who tell us that we must save the planet, and drive a 3.0/3.2 litre car. You know who you are.
I'm all for saving the planet, but let's get it into perspective... Humans aren't doing all the damage :-? :-?
Oh, and I drive a 3.0, but it's LPG converted and much cleaner to run :y :y
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
Possibly LD. But I was talking about folk who tell us that we must save the planet, and drive a 3.0/3.2 litre car. You know who you are.
I'm all for saving the planet, but let's get it into perspective... Humans aren't doing all the damage :-? :-?
Oh, and I drive a 3.0, but it's LPG converted and much cleaner to run :y :y
I can see a conflict there.
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
Possibly LD. But I was talking about folk who tell us that we must save the planet, and drive a 3.0/3.2 litre car. You know who you are.
I'm all for saving the planet, but let's get it into perspective... Humans aren't doing all the damage :-? :-?
Oh, and I drive a 3.0, but it's LPG converted and much cleaner to run :y :y
I can see a conflict there.
Not really... LPG burns very cleanly and probably chucks out less pollutants than your elephants roller skate :y :y
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
Possibly LD. But I was talking about folk who tell us that we must save the planet, and drive a 3.0/3.2 litre car. You know who you are.
I'm all for saving the planet, but let's get it into perspective... Humans aren't doing all the damage :-? :-?
Oh, and I drive a 3.0, but it's LPG converted and much cleaner to run :y :y
I can see a conflict there.
Not really... LPG burns very cleanly and probably chucks out less pollutants than your elephants roller skate :y :y
Hmmmmmm..... :-/
Got any figures to support your outrageous claim? ;D
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Good on him. Anyone who drives a car with a bigger than 1.6 litre engine has got nothing to say on climate change.
The only thing I have to say about Climate Change is that animals do more damage to the environment than all the cars >:( >:(
Possibly LD. But I was talking about folk who tell us that we must save the planet, and drive a 3.0/3.2 litre car. You know who you are.
I'm all for saving the planet, but let's get it into perspective... Humans aren't doing all the damage :-? :-?
Oh, and I drive a 3.0, but it's LPG converted and much cleaner to run :y :y
I can see a conflict there.
Not really... LPG burns very cleanly and probably chucks out less pollutants than your elephants roller skate :y :y
Hmmmmmm..... :-/
Got any figures to support your outrageous claim? ;D
Information taken from an old website:
Less CO2 emissions
LPG gives a 10-15% carbon dioxide reduction in comparison to petrol, and it produces similar CO2 emissions to diesel.
(Tests carried out on new vehicles in 2003 showed that use of LPG resulted in a 20% saving on CO2 over petrol and a 1.8% saving compared with diesel).
Fewer other emissions
LPG also delivers 80% lower nitrous oxide emissions than diesel.
It also produces zero particulate emissions
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Still not less than my elephants skate though. And yours probably burns about a gallon of oil a week. ;D
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Still not less than my elephants skate though. And yours probably burns about a gallon of oil a week. ;D
Only because you're too old to drive anywhere now ::) ::)
And, incidentally, I have never had to top up the oil between changes :y :y
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Still not less than my elephants skate though. And yours probably burns about a gallon of oil a week. ;D
Only because you're too old to drive anywhere now ::) ::)
And, incidentally, I have never had to top up the oil between changes :y :y
Look. LD. You're a planet killer. Don't feel too bad, some people on here have two omegas. ;D
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
You're a planet killer as well. All that hot air. >:(
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
Not sure if you were defending me or just fancied joining in and sparring with STMO ::) ::)
But thanks... A point I'd forgotten :y :y
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Ther,s more Bull flavoured methane coming out of your gob than anyone else on the planet. ;) ::) :D ;D
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
Not sure if you were defending me or just fancied joining in and sparring with STMO ::) ::)
But thanks... A point I'd forgotten :y :y
Easy done. Remind me not to take too much notice of you in future. ;D
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Ther,s more Bull flavoured methane coming out of your gob than anyone else on the planet. ;) ::) :D ;D
Flatterer. ;D
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
Not sure if you were defending me or just fancied joining in and sparring with STMO ::) ::)
But thanks... A point I'd forgotten :y :y
Two birds, one stone. ;D ;D..........previous post aimed at him but you typed quicker. :D :P
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
Not sure if you were defending me or just fancied joining in and sparring with STMO ::) ::)
But thanks... A point I'd forgotten :y :y
Easy done. Remind me not to take too much notice of you in future. ;D
Not as often as you forget things though... :P :P
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
Not sure if you were defending me or just fancied joining in and sparring with STMO ::) ::)
But thanks... A point I'd forgotten :y :y
Easy done. Remind me not to take too much notice of you in future. ;D
Not as often as you forget things though... :P :P
Oh, I never forget, LD. Never [smiley=evil.gif]
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LPG is a by-product of the oil refining process,if it wasnt being burnt in the engine of a car which would otherwise be burning petrol, it would be burnt off at some other earlier stage of the process. ;)............so if you want green, it doesnt get much greener than that. :y
Not sure if you were defending me or just fancied joining in and sparring with STMO ::) ::)
But thanks... A point I'd forgotten :y :y
Easy done. Remind me not to take too much notice of you in future. ;D
Not as often as you forget things though... :P :P
Oh, I never forget, LD. Never [smiley=evil.gif]
I see you're living up to the text under your avatar again ::) :D ;D :P