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Title: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 21 January 2010, 13:43:32
I can get a Skoda Superb Greenline TDI for £250 inc vat pcm on a 2 year personal lease of 20K mpa.

This is the cheap to run Ecodiesel version with mpg of 67.3 extra urban-my usual type of driving and mixed 55.4mpg compared to my 25-30mpg in the Omega.

This includes tax and Euro breakdown cover, but not maintenance which would be one service of £230 and maybe 2 tyres, say £160, plus misc say;
Total maintenance of £400.
Lease cost over 2 years £6400
£1815 fuel (20k miles at 55mpg, 363 gall @ £5)
Total £8215.

Omega over 2 years 20k miles
28mpg= 714 gall; £3571 fuel
Road tax £380
Breakdown cover Europe £200
MOTs £90
Servicing, tyres, maintenance, repairs; lets be kind and say £2500 over 2 years (spent 2k+ in 3 mths!!)
Total £6651

Difference £1564 or £65 per month to drive a brand new 5* crash rated car with full warranty.
Insurance same price for me.

Am I missing something?
At present I am spending over £65 per month in Omega related phone calls and fuel to get to repair places and club members, plus approx 50 hours per month trying to keep it going.

(For the pedants  ;D, the figures are simple and approx for comparison, eg mpg and £5 gallon, maintenance costs)

I know the Superb will be seen as a down trade by some, but I like them and they fit our needs well-and would be less hassle.
What do you think?

Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 13:47:24
looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: alunonhisown on 21 January 2010, 13:55:26
£6000 is not a lot to pay for a brand new car over two years. but you spend £6k and the car is never yours. Also, is there a BALLOON payment at the end. I cannot see how the lease company plan to make money, as it is £6k over 2 years, the car will cost them more than that surely? And you have other items to factor in, Tax Ins, etc etc. I personally, would leave well alone.
If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. IMHO
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 21 January 2010, 13:57:09
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 21 January 2010, 13:59:15
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£6000 is not a lot to pay for a brand new car over two years. but you spend £6k and the car is never yours. Also, is there a BALLOON payment at the end. I cannot see how the lease company plan to make money, as it is £6k over 2 years, the car will cost them more than that surely? And you have other items to factor in, Tax Ins, etc etc. I personally, would leave well alone.
If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. IMHO

No balloon payment, it is a personal lease not finance, road tax included in price quoted, insurance is same price as Omega hence not put in comparison figures.

Seems too good to be true, but my colleagues and our accountant all do this and can't believe I don't...

Don't forget lease and hire companies buy in huge numbers and get better deals than private buyers, plus resell with "one owner, FSH" etc and supply popular, low depreciation cars to make the least possible loss.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 14:09:00
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 21 January 2010, 14:19:16
I'm reeling from the cost of owning an Omega-its the most expensive and high maintenance car I have ever owned, and as much as I do like it, the drain on time and finances does make me wonder at times.

Certainly, without OOF it would have been beyond economical repair, but there's only a few jobs to be sorted this weekend and then maybe I 'll have a period of just driving and enjoying it, not repairing it  :-/
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 14:24:33
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I'm reeling from the cost of owning an Omega-its the most expensive and high maintenance car I have ever owned, and as much as I do like it, the drain on time and finances does make me wonder at times.

Certainly, without OOF it would have been beyond economical repair, but there's only a few jobs to be sorted this weekend and then maybe I 'll have a period of just driving and enjoying it, not repairing it  :-/

my personal idea is that : if possible, solve the mechanical and electrical problems ( I know I passed also that nightmare period) than LPG it   :y (only if you like the car and dont plan to sell )
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Radar on 21 January 2010, 14:27:18
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I can get a Skoda Superb Greenline TDI for £250 inc vat pcm on a 2 year personal lease of 20K mpa.

This is the cheap to run Ecodiesel version with mpg of 67.3 extra urban-my usual type of driving and mixed 55.4mpg compared to my 25-30mpg in the Omega.

This includes tax and Euro breakdown cover, but not maintenance which would be one service of £230 and maybe 2 tyres, say £160, plus misc say;
Total maintenance of £400.
Lease cost over 2 years £6400
£1815 fuel (20k miles at 55mpg, 363 gall @ £5)
Total £8215.

Omega over 2 years 20k miles
28mpg= 714 gall; £3571 fuel
Road tax £380
Breakdown cover Europe £200
MOTs £90
Servicing, tyres, maintenance, repairs; lets be kind and say £2500 over 2 years (spent 2k+ in 3 mths!!)
Total £6651

Difference £1564 or £65 per month to drive a brand new 5* crash rated car with full warranty.
Insurance same price for me.

Am I missing something?
At present I am spending over £65 per month in Omega related phone calls and fuel to get to repair places and club members, plus approx 50 hours per month trying to keep it going.

(For the pedants  ;D, the figures are simple and approx for comparison, eg mpg and £5 gallon, maintenance costs)

I know the Superb will be seen as a down trade by some, but I like them and they fit our needs well-and would be less hassle.
What do you think?

Since you've already spent alot on the omega i would think you would not need to spend £2500 over the next 2 yrs on it. Also in 2 years you would still get a few hundred for the car so these 2 things would close the gap. Maybe get a diesel omega?
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 14:28:01
or if the car is really lemon, sell it and buy one from already LPGd faultless examples from members..
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 21 January 2010, 14:37:40
Perhaps wellung666 will switch on the light at the end of the tunnel on Sat when me meet up....

The Omega is a bit of a sore point at home right now  :(
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 21 January 2010, 14:40:15
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I can get a Skoda Superb Greenline TDI for £250 inc vat pcm on a 2 year personal lease of 20K mpa.

This is the cheap to run Ecodiesel version with mpg of 67.3 extra urban-my usual type of driving and mixed 55.4mpg compared to my 25-30mpg in the Omega.

This includes tax and Euro breakdown cover, but not maintenance which would be one service of £230 and maybe 2 tyres, say £160, plus misc say;
Total maintenance of £400.
Lease cost over 2 years £6400
£1815 fuel (20k miles at 55mpg, 363 gall @ £5)
Total £8215.

Omega over 2 years 20k miles
28mpg= 714 gall; £3571 fuel
Road tax £380
Breakdown cover Europe £200
MOTs £90
Servicing, tyres, maintenance, repairs; lets be kind and say £2500 over 2 years (spent 2k+ in 3 mths!!)
Total £6651

Difference £1564 or £65 per month to drive a brand new 5* crash rated car with full warranty.
Insurance same price for me.

Am I missing something?
At present I am spending over £65 per month in Omega related phone calls and fuel to get to repair places and club members, plus approx 50 hours per month trying to keep it going.

(For the pedants  ;D, the figures are simple and approx for comparison, eg mpg and £5 gallon, maintenance costs)

I know the Superb will be seen as a down trade by some, but I like them and they fit our needs well-and would be less hassle.
What do you think?

Since you've already spent alot on the omega i would think you would not need to spend £2500 over the next 2 yrs on it. Also in 2 years you would still get a few hundred for the car so these 2 things would close the gap. Maybe get a diesel omega?

Yes-I think you have hit the nail square on; if I had not bought the Omega and had leased something instead at that time, it would have made sense, but now I have spent 2k++ in the last few months, it is best to keep going to recover some of the expenditure.  At least I know most of it has been replaced-as wellung666 calls it "Trigger's broom"  :D
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: webby23 on 21 January 2010, 18:24:27
Geoff

I understand your frustration at your Omega mate so dont blame you for thinking like this, but......

Surely the bottom line is that your are thinking about spending £6400 over the next 2 years just to basically "rent" a car..........

If its a personal lease, you will never own the car, so I dont see the point to be honest and surely £250 will be plenty every month to put aside for any problems you may have if you kept the Omega.......?

Just my thoughts mate and best wishes

 :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 21 January 2010, 20:04:03
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(

That's cheap if a fitted price... Prins conversions over here would be closer to £2000 :o :o
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Plomien on 21 January 2010, 20:14:52
But its a SKODA!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;) :D
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: STMO999 on 21 January 2010, 20:22:01
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But its a SKODA!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;) :D


Yes. A skoda. Reliable, cheap to run, modern technology........I can see why it would seem totally alien to an omega owner. ;D
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Amigo on 21 January 2010, 20:23:31
All new cars in this class are bland & overpriced & you'll never love it. It'll serve it's purpose but you'll never really enjoy it...or own it.
 If you can't afford to run the Mig sell her & buy a little car.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: STMO999 on 21 January 2010, 20:27:45
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All new cars in this class are bland & overpriced & you'll never love it. It'll serve it's purpose but you'll never really enjoy it...or own it.
 If you can't afford to run the Mig sell her & buy a little car.


The lad is rather attached to his money, as any sane person is. I can understand someone parting with his hard-earned for, say, a classic jag. But a rather mass produced rust bucket? Nah. ;D
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 20:53:19
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(

That's cheap if a fitted price... Prins conversions over here would be closer to £2000 :o :o

 :o thats a price for a v12!

the price I give is for the best set and #1 LPG installer in my city including official paperwork, licenses etc..
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 21 January 2010, 21:11:15
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(

That's cheap if a fitted price... Prins conversions over here would be closer to £2000 :o :o

 :o thats a price for a v12!

the price I give is for the best set and #1 LPG installer in my city including official paperwork, licenses etc..

Just out of interest Cem... How much is LPG at the pump over there?
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: hotel21 on 21 January 2010, 21:14:43
Main point to consider is that the car is effectively a long term hire car.  once the deal ends, you have spent your cash and have no residual to potentially use as a deposit on another, or indeed a car to sell on...
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 21:15:57
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(

That's cheap if a fitted price... Prins conversions over here would be closer to £2000 :o :o

 :o thats a price for a v12!

the price I give is for the best set and #1 LPG installer in my city including official paperwork, licenses etc..

Just out of interest Cem... How much is LPG at the pump over there?

0.78£/litre :-/
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 21 January 2010, 21:21:48
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(

That's cheap if a fitted price... Prins conversions over here would be closer to £2000 :o :o

 :o thats a price for a v12!

the price I give is for the best set and #1 LPG installer in my city including official paperwork, licenses etc..

Just out of interest Cem... How much is LPG at the pump over there?

0.78£/litre :-/

Hmmm.... Actually a better saving (%) than I get locally to me then :y :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2010, 21:38:45
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looking at the picture you have right,

but personally I'd prefer to drive my own car whatever the cost is..(logic vs feelings ;D)

similiar to living in your own house (and paying mortgage)  or staying in rent..

Yeah, good point cem, but we own our own house and my priority is my wife and young lad-except I spend all my spare time and all of the family money fixing the car  >:(

The other worry is the fuel cost increase, any further road tax rises and what happens when something major blows up?
The goverment (rightly or wrongly-not the debate!) is trying to push us into eco cars and when your money is tight, it all helps..

 

now although being an old LPG user, for miggy I didnt install LPG... got a second small car for daily runabouts which is also cheaper and practical for crowded traffic.. (and also for wife).. but total cost nearly after two years is just a disaster ;D ..

however I like them both and now finally decided to install LPG to miggy cause petrol here exceeding 1.51 £/litre  ;D ;D ;D

and a note good quality LPG installations like Prins is around 1400-1500£ here :(

That's cheap if a fitted price... Prins conversions over here would be closer to £2000 :o :o

 :o thats a price for a v12!

the price I give is for the best set and #1 LPG installer in my city including official paperwork, licenses etc..

Just out of interest Cem... How much is LPG at the pump over there?

0.78£/litre :-/

Hmmm.... Actually a better saving (%) than I get locally to me then :y :y

the govt cant load more taxes on LPG as its mostly used on inner and eastern parts of country for cooking and heating where Russian and Iranian gas cant reach..
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: albitz on 21 January 2010, 21:40:58
I have been through similar with my Omega. Had a period of about 18 months of every time I fixed one thing, something else went wrong with it.I believe the triggers broom tag is one that I originally used on here to describe mine.The wife got sick of it and after a while  and so did I.
It has been pretty reliable recently though because I suspect I have ironed out the problems one by one and now got to the point where I wanted to be with it when I first bought it.
I swore I would never have another one and have recently replaced it with something else.I am starting to reconsider a bit though because I like big luxury cars and if I go to an LS400 or 7 series I may end up with huge repair bills if things go wrong with them,
If I get another Omega however I will have a certain amount of experience at working on them and if I get stuck there is a wealth of info and cheap spares available on here and that is a difficult thing to put a price on, but I know you cant find it  (or certainly not to the same degree) anywhere else.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 07:26:15
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But its a SKODA!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;) :D

Go and look at the new Superb and be amazed-it's nothing like you would imagine if you are not familiar with the brand over recent years-especially the 2009- Superb.  Think Audi A6 and its near enough.... :y :y

The 3.6V6 4wd (Audi quattro/VWsyncro drivetrain) is a bit extravagant, but the Eco version, the 67mpg TDI Greenline would be good.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 January 2010, 08:11:21
I had one last week and was pretty underwhelmed......a very bland affair which served as a A to B shifter but, that was it (it was a diseasel)

I could not live with it.

As for reliability, its a VAG so it it wont be as good as you are led to beleave.

Clearly your decision is made, so why discuss further and clearly saving money has nothing to do with it because your not...
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: belldarr on 22 January 2010, 08:11:55
it sounds like your sick of the Omega eating up all your disposable income AND your spare time - you want to have a hassle free mode of transport and know your not going to be spending the weekend taking the car to bits so you can get to work on Monday - You basically want to try and FIX the cost of the car so you can get on with your life! :y

Go for the Skoda - its a good car!! the warranty is superb and you can sell the omega and get a good holiday out of it for all the trouble it's caused you.

Dont look back - look forward

Darren
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 09:28:19
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I had one last week and was pretty underwhelmed......a very bland affair which served as a A to B shifter but, that was it (it was a diseasel)

I could not live with it.

As for reliability, its a VAG so it it wont be as good as you are led to beleave.

Clearly your decision is made, so why discuss further and clearly saving money has nothing to do with it because your not...

Morning Mark

I'm stuck really-I like the Omega, but it is causing a headache in the family because of the cost and time involved.  We have no spare money, so paying out for the Skoda is a big ask, but we need a big car and have few options.

I was hoping that the car would have been sorted to a good standard by now, but everything I fix then creates another job.  I've just spent so much and would not get it back if I sold the Omega though  :'( so should just kkep it.

I don't mean to harp on about the Superb, but it did seem to fit the bill for little money, even if not directly comparable to the Omega.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Radar on 22 January 2010, 09:31:00
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I can get a Skoda Superb Greenline TDI for £250 inc vat pcm on a 2 year personal lease of 20K mpa.

This is the cheap to run Ecodiesel version with mpg of 67.3 extra urban-my usual type of driving and mixed 55.4mpg compared to my 25-30mpg in the Omega.

This includes tax and Euro breakdown cover, but not maintenance which would be one service of £230 and maybe 2 tyres, say £160, plus misc say;
Total maintenance of £400.
Lease cost over 2 years £6400
£1815 fuel (20k miles at 55mpg, 363 gall @ £5)
Total £8215.

Omega over 2 years 20k miles
28mpg= 714 gall; £3571 fuel
Road tax £380
Breakdown cover Europe £200
MOTs £90
Servicing, tyres, maintenance, repairs; lets be kind and say £2500 over 2 years (spent 2k+ in 3 mths!!)
Total £6651

Difference £1564 or £65 per month to drive a brand new 5* crash rated car with full warranty.
Insurance same price for me.

Am I missing something?
At present I am spending over £65 per month in Omega related phone calls and fuel to get to repair places and club members, plus approx 50 hours per month trying to keep it going.

(For the pedants  ;D, the figures are simple and approx for comparison, eg mpg and £5 gallon, maintenance costs)

I know the Superb will be seen as a down trade by some, but I like them and they fit our needs well-and would be less hassle.
What do you think?

Since you've already spent alot on the omega i would think you would not need to spend £2500 over the next 2 yrs on it. Also in 2 years you would still get a few hundred for the car so these 2 things would close the gap. Maybe get a diesel omega?

Yes-I think you have hit the nail square on; if I had not bought the Omega and had leased something instead at that time, it would have made sense, but now I have spent 2k++ in the last few months, it is best to keep going to recover some of the expenditure.  At least I know most of it has been replaced-as wellung666 calls it "Trigger's broom"  :D
Also note you will most likely have some expenditure on the skoda - tyres and any other things, which has not been put into your calculation.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 09:33:19
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I can get a Skoda Superb Greenline TDI for £250 inc vat pcm on a 2 year personal lease of 20K mpa.

This is the cheap to run Ecodiesel version with mpg of 67.3 extra urban-my usual type of driving and mixed 55.4mpg compared to my 25-30mpg in the Omega.

This includes tax and Euro breakdown cover, but not maintenance which would be one service of £230 and maybe 2 tyres, say £160, plus misc say;
Total maintenance of £400.Lease cost over 2 years £6400
£1815 fuel (20k miles at 55mpg, 363 gall @ £5)
Total £8215.

Omega over 2 years 20k miles
28mpg= 714 gall; £3571 fuel
Road tax £380
Breakdown cover Europe £200
MOTs £90
Servicing, tyres, maintenance, repairs; lets be kind and say £2500 over 2 years (spent 2k+ in 3 mths!!)
Total £6651

Difference £1564 or £65 per month to drive a brand new 5* crash rated car with full warranty.
Insurance same price for me.

Am I missing something?
At present I am spending over £65 per month in Omega related phone calls and fuel to get to repair places and club members, plus approx 50 hours per month trying to keep it going.

(For the pedants  ;D, the figures are simple and approx for comparison, eg mpg and £5 gallon, maintenance costs)

I know the Superb will be seen as a down trade by some, but I like them and they fit our needs well-and would be less hassle.
What do you think?

Since you've already spent alot on the omega i would think you would not need to spend £2500 over the next 2 yrs on it. Also in 2 years you would still get a few hundred for the car so these 2 things would close the gap. Maybe get a diesel omega?

Yes-I think you have hit the nail square on; if I had not bought the Omega and had leased something instead at that time, it would have made sense, but now I have spent 2k++ in the last few months, it is best to keep going to recover some of the expenditure.  At least I know most of it has been replaced-as wellung666 calls it "Trigger's broom"  :D
Also note you will most likely have some expenditure on the skoda - tyres and any other things, which has not been put into your calculation.

May be not quite enough, but had put this in  :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Radar on 22 January 2010, 10:26:01
Sorry I was going from memory from last night and forgot you included tyre costs. Must be getting old!!
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 10:48:37
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Sorry I was going from memory from last night and forgot you included tyre costs. Must be getting old!!

Me too.....

I just want the Omega to be right and justifty all the cost and time spent......I hope I can get the "final" bits sorted with welung666 tomorrow and start enjoying it again......

It is tricky, as you prioritise differently being single, then married, then with a child-on my own I would see the Omega as a labour of love and my hobby, but what I need now is something which just works and does not drain all the money and time that I have  :-/

We'll see what tomorrow brings-I hope we have enough time to do the jobs as my wife is working at 3 and I need to get back to look after my son, and welung is over an hour away.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Ken T on 22 January 2010, 11:29:46
It sounds like you have been very keen to get the Omega into top condition and replaced lots of parts that others might not have.

Mine went for an MOT a couple of years ago, and the chap gave an advisory on the front wishbone bushes. Ok things were a bit busy and I left them, thinking it would fail next MOT which was at a different garage. Er no it didn't, I specifically asked the chap, mentioning that they tended to go, and he said they were fine.

Last couple of years, apart from the usual servicing, I have done rear springs,  (which were remarkably easy thanks to the "How To"), the middle and rear exhaust, and ......... thats it. Not a bulb, brake pipe, nothing else. They are very reliable cars and wear extremely well.

If you have done all that work, the running gear must be nearly new, so enjoy it, you should have a good 3, 4 or even 5 years without anything major needing fixed.

Ken
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 11:47:56
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It sounds like you have been very keen to get the Omega into top condition and replaced lots of parts that others might not have.

Mine went for an MOT a couple of years ago, and the chap gave an advisory on the front wishbone bushes. Ok things were a bit busy and I left them, thinking it would fail next MOT which was at a different garage. Er no it didn't, I specifically asked the chap, mentioning that they tended to go, and he said they were fine.

Last couple of years, apart from the usual servicing, I have done rear springs,  (which were remarkably easy thanks to the "How To"), the middle and rear exhaust, and ......... thats it. Not a bulb, brake pipe, nothing else. They are very reliable cars and wear extremely well.

If you have done all that work, the running gear must be nearly new, so enjoy it, you should have a good 3, 4 or even 5 years without anything major needing fixed.

Ken

Agreed-did quite a bit of nicety stuff at the beginning, then had to do more and more major things.

I know I harp on about it, but I just can't face more months of this expense and time.  Hopefully as you say, it will be fully sorted after this weekend and then should last years without more major issues.

Sometimes you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel  :-/
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Welung666 on 22 January 2010, 11:57:44
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It sounds like you have been very keen to get the Omega into top condition and replaced lots of parts that others might not have.

Mine went for an MOT a couple of years ago, and the chap gave an advisory on the front wishbone bushes. Ok things were a bit busy and I left them, thinking it would fail next MOT which was at a different garage. Er no it didn't, I specifically asked the chap, mentioning that they tended to go, and he said they were fine.

Last couple of years, apart from the usual servicing, I have done rear springs,  (which were remarkably easy thanks to the "How To"), the middle and rear exhaust, and ......... thats it. Not a bulb, brake pipe, nothing else. They are very reliable cars and wear extremely well.

If you have done all that work, the running gear must be nearly new, so enjoy it, you should have a good 3, 4 or even 5 years without anything major needing fixed.

Ken

Agreed-did quite a bit of nicety stuff at the beginning, then had to do more and more major things.

I know I harp on about it, but I just can't face more months of this expense and time.  Hopefully as you say, it will be fully sorted after this weekend and then should last years without more major issues.

Sometimes you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel  :-/

Sorry G the bulb had gone ;) I've replaced it with an energy saving one though ;D ;D ;D

Get 'Trigger's Broom' over as early as you can tomorrow and we'll crack straight on with it after the customary brew ;) :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 12:08:57
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It sounds like you have been very keen to get the Omega into top condition and replaced lots of parts that others might not have.

Mine went for an MOT a couple of years ago, and the chap gave an advisory on the front wishbone bushes. Ok things were a bit busy and I left them, thinking it would fail next MOT which was at a different garage. Er no it didn't, I specifically asked the chap, mentioning that they tended to go, and he said they were fine.

Last couple of years, apart from the usual servicing, I have done rear springs,  (which were remarkably easy thanks to the "How To"), the middle and rear exhaust, and ......... thats it. Not a bulb, brake pipe, nothing else. They are very reliable cars and wear extremely well.

If you have done all that work, the running gear must be nearly new, so enjoy it, you should have a good 3, 4 or even 5 years without anything major needing fixed.

Ken

Agreed-did quite a bit of nicety stuff at the beginning, then had to do more and more major things.

I know I harp on about it, but I just can't face more months of this expense and time.  Hopefully as you say, it will be fully sorted after this weekend and then should last years without more major issues.

Sometimes you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel  :-/

Sorry G the bulb had gone ;) I've replaced it with an energy saving one though ;D ;D ;D

Get 'Trigger's Broom' over as early as you can tomorrow and we'll crack straight on with it after the customary brew ;) :y

Will try to be over 8.30ish, depending on little-un  :y

Cheers Lee-will ring on way-much appreciated  ;D
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Ken T on 22 January 2010, 12:16:55
Best of luck this weekend, you must have a nearly new car by now !.

Re skoda's, I drove a hire one when working over in the Czech Republic 4 or 5 years ago. Once was enough, never again !.

Ken
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Welung666 on 22 January 2010, 12:18:27
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Best of luck this weekend, you must have a nearly new car by now !.

Re skoda's, I drove a hire one when working over in the Czech Republic 4 or 5 years ago. Once was enough, never again !.

Ken

Hence the cars' nickname ;D ;D
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: webby23 on 22 January 2010, 12:20:19
Hoping you get it all sorted and decide to keep her Geoff......the Mig I mean, not the wife.....!!!!!
 :)
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 22 January 2010, 18:28:17
A most logical conclusion Geoff. I've leased a Citroen C5 Hdi for a similar price, however, am getting an average 42 MPG, so would suggest that you downward revise the MPG expectations. Total unscheduled spend in 7k miles so far = ZERO  :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 22 January 2010, 18:31:59
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A most logical conclusion Geoff. I've leased a Citroen C5 Hdi for a similar price, however, am getting an average 42 MPG, so would suggest that you downward revise the MPG expectations. Total unscheduled spend in 7k miles so far = ZERO  :y

By about 25%... Manufacturers figures are in an ideal world and do not allow for gradients, temperature differences, wind, rain etc... ::)
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 20:14:35
I would say it depends on the driving-I "hypermile" and used to get 78mpg out of my diesel Panda-over the official mpg, 60mpg from my Sirion 1.0S and 58mpg out of the Perodua Kelisa.

A friend runs a power-chipped Skoda Superb 1.9TDI and averages 72mpg on his daily 50mph B road commute-we have checked and checked this against actual fuel, not the computer.

My routes are 50mph constant, no traffic so I usually beat the average, but always get somewhere between Urban and Extra Urban-the Greenline Skoda is 55.4 and 67.3....so 55 is poss in my area.

It's difficult to hypermile in the Omega-its auto and very very heavy, hence my average 28mpg over the month  :(
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 22 January 2010, 20:31:27
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I would say it depends on the driving-I "hypermile" and used to get 78mpg out of my diesel Panda-over the official mpg, 60mpg from my Sirion 1.0S and 58mpg out of the Perodua Kelisa.

A friend runs a power-chipped Skoda Superb 1.9TDI and averages 72mpg on his daily 50mph B road commute-we have checked and checked this against actual fuel, not the computer.

My routes are 50mph constant, no traffic so I usually beat the average, but always get somewhere between Urban and Extra Urban-the Greenline Skoda is 55.4 and 67.3....so 55 is poss in my area.

It's difficult to hypermile in the Omega-its auto and very very heavy, hence my average 28mpg over the month  :(

I find that quite worrying really... I get 26.8-28.3 indicated on the MID (which I've confirmed accurate) as what would be my petrol consumption, and that's in a 3L, with lots of roundabouts and not exactly hanging about :o :o
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: albitz on 22 January 2010, 20:40:52
I get 25 from my 2.5 driving like a granny. :-/ :'(
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 20:41:12
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I would say it depends on the driving-I "hypermile" and used to get 78mpg out of my diesel Panda-over the official mpg, 60mpg from my Sirion 1.0S and 58mpg out of the Perodua Kelisa.

A friend runs a power-chipped Skoda Superb 1.9TDI and averages 72mpg on his daily 50mph B road commute-we have checked and checked this against actual fuel, not the computer.

My routes are 50mph constant, no traffic so I usually beat the average, but always get somewhere between Urban and Extra Urban-the Greenline Skoda is 55.4 and 67.3....so 55 is poss in my area.

It's difficult to hypermile in the Omega-its auto and very very heavy, hence my average 28mpg over the month  :(

I find that quite worrying really... I get 26.8-28.3 indicated on the MID (which I've confirmed accurate) as what would be my petrol consumption, and that's in a 3L, with lots of roundabouts and not exactly hanging about :o :o

Getting it looked at again tomorrow-cleaning throttle bodies again etc.  It's had every possible fluid changed, complete exhaust, cat, manifold, gasket, new brakes/discs/fluid, tyres+ pressures, software updates, HUGE service, tech2 checks and 500 other jobs-it should be at peak efficiency...
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 22 January 2010, 20:42:58
I suppose it's probably because I look ahead and don't just accelerate blindly towards roundabouts :-/ :-/

Oh... And I rarely go into town in it ;) :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 22 January 2010, 20:45:54
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I suppose it's probably because I look ahead and don't just accelerate blindly towards roundabouts :-/ :-/

Oh... And I rarely go into tow in it ;) :y

I get the impression the manual 2.5V6 is the best compromise between economy and performance.

I hope there is something wrong with mine so i can mend it and improve the MPG-I used to get 30+.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Del Boy on 22 January 2010, 22:17:04
V6 engine has to work less to haul around the heavy bulk thats another way to look at it fuel wise  :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 22 January 2010, 22:28:34
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V6 engine has to work less to haul around the heavy bulk thats another way to look at it fuel wise  :y

Very true... I've monitored my fuel usage with accelerating gently up to my required speed when exiting roundabouts and accelerating hard and there seems to be very little difference on the economy... If anything, driving it a bit harder seems slightly better :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Amigo on 22 January 2010, 23:04:33
I've sunk alot of money into getting the Beastie (black MV6  manual) how i want her. I'd never make my money back if i sold her. She only averages 23.6 mpg but i do alot of local runs & enjoy the loud pedal!!! None of us bought Migs with frugality in mind. Migs are older now & need some spannering & financial input but stick with it & they reward you back. Mines running cock on now after alot of work & will continue to do so without £250 a month.
    Lastly, could you really love the superb? Is your heart really in it?...I doubt it. Sorry, Guy.
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: cruisetopoland on 23 January 2010, 20:10:18
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I would say it depends on the driving-I "hypermile" and used to get 78mpg out of my diesel Panda-over the official mpg, 60mpg from my Sirion 1.0S and 58mpg out of the Perodua Kelisa.

A friend runs a power-chipped Skoda Superb 1.9TDI and averages 72mpg on his daily 50mph B road commute-we have checked and checked this against actual fuel, not the computer.

My routes are 50mph constant, no traffic so I usually beat the average, but always get somewhere between Urban and Extra Urban-the Greenline Skoda is 55.4 and 67.3....so 55 is poss in my area.

It's difficult to hypermile in the Omega-its auto and very very heavy, hence my average 28mpg over the month  :(

I find that quite worrying really... I get 26.8-28.3 indicated on the MID (which I've confirmed accurate) as what would be my petrol consumption, and that's in a 3L, with lots of roundabouts and not exactly hanging about :o :o

Getting it looked at again tomorrow-cleaning throttle bodies again etc.  It's had every possible fluid changed, complete exhaust, cat, manifold, gasket, new brakes/discs/fluid, tyres+ pressures, software updates, HUGE service, tech2 checks and 500 other jobs-it should be at peak efficiency...

Many thanks to welung666, today we did the following to try an get the car finished once and for all:
"My Naff Code Reader" session
New rocker cover gasket (again)
DIS pack checked, DIS boots shot-need to get
Selector lock and brake pedal switch sorted
Rear suspension/bushes checked
Front wishbones checked/torqued
Power steering pump/pipes checked, clips tightened
Drivers door stay welded, lubricated
Drivers door handle removed, lubricated, refitted
Bootlid adjusted to cure rattles
Speakers checked for rattles-to replace NSR/NSF
Steering column shroud rattle sorted
All towbar Scotchlocks removed and new connectors soldered
Towbar socket replaced to cure beeper fault
Towbar electrics checked with light bar
Exhaust clamps tightened
and more, lots more....

If it wasn't for OOF and people like welung666 I would have gone mad by now.

At least now I can keep it with some confidence now-jus the DIS boots and bootlid to sort now.

Cheers welung  :y :y :y :y :y :y :y

Triggers Broom lives another day.....
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Lazydocker on 23 January 2010, 20:33:59
Sounds like a good days work :y :y :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: webby23 on 23 January 2010, 20:36:41
Well done boys, glad you had a productive day........!!

 :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: Vamps on 24 January 2010, 00:21:55
Leasing over buying is something I am considering this year. My Citroen goes back in August and am not sure whether to get another, brand new, car or just buy something much cheaper :-/
I keep doing the sums and the thinking and can sell it to myself either way ::)
Work are also changing the way they pay us to use our cars, so this has to be taken into consideration.. :-/
Title: Re: Leasing efficient car cheaper than running Omega?
Post by: pembroke on 24 January 2010, 01:43:50
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I suppose it's probably because I look ahead and don't just accelerate blindly towards roundabouts :-/ :-/

Oh... And I rarely go into tow in it ;) :y

I get the impression the manual 2.5V6 is the best compromise between economy and performance.

I hope there is something wrong with mine so i can mend it and improve the MPG-I used to get 30+.

I drive my manual 2000 x-reg 2.5 with the foot of an angel and the best MPG I get on a 15 mile A-road run to work is 29.
When I drive like the devil I get 22/24MPG. Doesnt pay much to be an angel :D :D