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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 23 January 2010, 23:50:47
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Rather than post in the other long thread, I thought it may be better to start a new thread for the latest dramatic events.
THE United Nations climate science panel faces new controversy for wrongly linking global warming to an increase in the number and severity of natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7000063.ece
And Pachauri (he who makes has fingers in many pies, including oil extraction and carbon trading) is, I reckon, unlikely to last the week as chairman of the IPCC.
See: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/23/highnoon-for-pachauri/
The latter issue is also covered in The Times and Telegraph. This is the first time that the mainstream media have focused on this issue and a sign that it is getting bigger by the minute. Obviously the BBC have not covered it yet. ::)
What we see here is, IMHO, the potential collapse of the UN IPCC - the main Global Warming body - the reports of which governments have all cited when raising taxes.
We live in interesting times, I feel. ;) :)
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From The Times article:
"Mike Hulme, professor of climate change at the Tyndall Centre, which advises the UK government on global warming, said there was no real evidence that natural disasters were already being made worse by climate change. He said: “A proper analysis shows that these claims are usually superficial”
Such warnings may prove uncomfortable for Miliband whose recent speeches have often linked climate change with disasters such as the floods that recently hit Bangladesh and Cumbria. Last month he said: “We must not let the sceptics pass off political opinion as scientific fact. Events in Cumbria give a foretaste of the kind of weather runaway climate change could bring. Abroad, the melting of the Himalayan glaciers that feed the great rivers of South Asia could put hundreds of millions of people at risk of drought. Our security is at stake.”
Miliband = half-wit
;) ;D
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From The Times article:
"Mike Hulme, professor of climate change at the Tyndall Centre, which advises the UK government on global warming, said there was no real evidence that natural disasters were already being made worse by climate change. He said: “A proper analysis shows that these claims are usually superficial”
Such warnings may prove uncomfortable for Miliband whose recent speeches have often linked climate change with disasters such as the floods that recently hit Bangladesh and Cumbria. Last month he said: “We must not let the sceptics pass off political opinion as scientific fact. Events in Cumbria give a foretaste of the kind of weather runaway climate change could bring. Abroad, the melting of the Himalayan glaciers that feed the great rivers of South Asia could put hundreds of millions of people at risk of drought. Our security is at stake.”
Miliband = half-wit
;) ;D
[size=14]Miliband[/size][/b]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R89oERKCaU[/media]
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Miliband = half-wit
.. and that's being generous. ;D
Problem is, there are enough sheep who've been "converted" it's probably too late. >:(
Kevin
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Oooh, I say! :o :o
"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/
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It's gratifying to see the msm begin to carry this and perhaps even the BBC will fulfil part of its Reithian remit and acquaint us with all the pertinent facts of this vexed story.
The sooner that Pachauri is kicked out onto his arse the better.
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Oooh, I say! :o :o
"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/
That's a very important development - not before time, mind you.
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Oooh, I say! :o :o
"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/
That's a very important development - not before time, mind you.
Must agree with you on that :y
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I was watching a discussion on this issue on Sky news about an hour ago.They said that this "evidence" was the main reason used by the African countries at Copenhagen for demanding many more billions than they were being offered and that it was the main gangplank of the arguments put forward by Obama and Miliband.I do think that the tide is starting to turn on the climate con.
Dont think we should be calling Miliband a half wit though. Its an insult to half wits the world over,what have they done to deserve insults like that ? ::) :D
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Oooh, I say! :o :o
"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/
That's a very important development - not before time, mind you.
Yes. Those Macedonians have seen right through it ;D
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"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.
Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUx6pwXe
:o :o
Rats and sinking ships, methinks. ;)
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"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.
Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUx6pwXe
:o :o
Rats and sinking ships, methinks. ;)
This is going too fast. As much as I would like to see an end to the Global Warming Disaster bandwagon, I fear that once the media (be they mainstream or Macedonian) take up the challenge, we'll get too much of a swing in the opposite direction.
While I'm sceptical about the end of civilisation as we know it through GW/CC and irresponsible use of fossil fuels, there are plenty of other good reasons for a bit of restraint. Some are even environmental.
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My views on global warming/climate change ......are well documented on this forum.....unlike some however ::) ::).........My mind is open to reasoned persuasion.. :) :) ;) :y
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My views on global warming/climate change ......are well documented on this forum.....unlike some however ::) ::).........My mind is open to reasoned persuasion.. :) :) ;) :y
Aha! Cognitive dissonance, anyone? ;)
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"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.
Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUx6pwXe
:o :o
Rats and sinking ships, methinks. ;)
This is going too fast. As much as I would like to see an end to the Global Warming Disaster bandwagon, I fear that once the media (be they mainstream or Macedonian) take up the challenge, we'll get too much of a swing in the opposite direction.
While I'm sceptical about the end of civilisation as we know it through GW/CC and irresponsible use of fossil fuels, there are plenty of other good reasons for a bit of restraint. Some are even environmental.
It was not Macedonian media as such, merely MINA (the news agency) reporting facts about the BBC Trust taking action.
As far as going too fast is concerned, I feel I should point out that the sceptics are, by and large, sensible folks who are concerned that the science is being, or has been, distorted to make a political point. They, (well, certainly the ones I know) want the debate to move onto things like protecting the rain forests, protecting habitats, reducing disease etc. When the CO2 scam is finally revealed, I have no doubt that the David Bellamy's of this world will be re-instated and we can look after our planet in a sensible, compassionate and targeted way. We've just got to get rid of this daft guilt-driven policy which is actually harming the environment (e.g. the amount of forest being cleared for biofuels, etc.). :y
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My views on global warming/climate change ......are well documented on this forum.....unlike some however ::) ::).........My mind is open to reasoned persuasion.. :) :) ;) :y
Aha! Cognitive dissonance, anyone? ;)
....until we have totally unambiguous evidence.......then perhaps so.
But........ until then......I prefer to think of myself as a flexible ....adaptable .....rather than stagnant thinker.. :y :y
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As far as going too fast is concerned, I feel I should point out that the sceptics are, by and large, sensible folks who are concerned that the science is being, or has been, distorted to make a political point. They, (well, certainly the ones I know) want the debate to move onto things like protecting the rain forests, protecting habitats, reducing disease etc. When the CO2 scam is finally revealed, I have no doubt that the David Bellamy's of this world will be re-instated and we can look after our planet in a sensible, compassionate and targeted way. We've just got to get rid of this daft guilt-driven policy which is actually harming the environment (e.g. the amount of forest being cleared for biofuels, etc.). :y
Wouldn't disagree about the sceptics. It's the media that bother me.
This seems to have all the characteristics of the launch of a bandwagon going in the opposite direction.
On past performance, no lessons will have been learned and the journalistic understanding of science will not have improved. Of course, to get going properly, it will require some politicians to step up to the mark to say "I never believed in GW/CC and it was all a load of media-driven nonsense". Don't think they'll have too much trouble finding them, though.
U-turn, anybody?
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"AGW theory is toast. So’s Dr Rajendra Pachauri. So’s the Stern Review. So’s the credibility of the IPCC. But if you think I’m cheered by this you’re very much mistaken. I’m trying to write a Climategate book but the way things are going by the time I’m finished there won’t be anything left to say: the battle will already have been won and the only people left who still believe in Man Made Global Warming will be the eco-loon equivalents of those wartime Japanese soldiers left abandoned and forgotten on remote Pacific atolls."
;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100023598/after-climategate-pachaurigate-and-glaciergate-amazongate/
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"The impact of global warming has been exaggerated by some scientists and there is an urgent need for more honest disclosure of the uncertainty of predictions about the rate of climate change, according to the Government’s chief scientific adviser."
"He said that public confidence in climate science would be improved if there were more openness about its uncertainties, even if that meant admitting that sceptics had been right on some hotly-disputed issues."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7003622.ece
Rats? Sinking ships? (Or have I used that analogy before?) ;) ;D ;D
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"The impact of global warming has been exaggerated by some scientists and there is an urgent need for more honest disclosure of the uncertainty of predictions about the rate of climate change, according to the Government’s chief scientific adviser."
"He said that public confidence in climate science would be improved if there were more openness about its uncertainties, even if that meant admitting that sceptics had been right on some hotly-disputed issues."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7003622.ece
Rats? Sinking ships? (Or have I used that analogy before?) ;) ;D ;D
That ship should have been consigned to the deep a long, long time ago, Nick.
Furthermore, all the ‘clever’ bastards clinging to the rapidly disappearing rails should be allowed to remain cast adrift in the harsh oceans of reality.
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Indeed, Zulu.
The ammo is beginning to pour down on the SS AGW. "Cap'n we canna take any more!" ;) ;D
"Terri Jackson, MSc MPhil founder of the Energy Group at the Institute of Physics, London, was one of 150 professional physicists, climatologists and scientists who submitted a signed petition to the UN secretary-general at Copenhagen asking him to provide observational scientific evidence rather than theoretical models for the unproved claims that humans were responsible for the present climate changes.
Here, she gives her thoughts on the thorny issue of global warming. “The first point to make is that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but a gas that is essential for life and for plant growth,” she said.
“The contribution of man-made carbon dioxide to the greenhouse effect is minimal with about 108 gigatons of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere compared with an overall total of 2,700 gigatons. “To change the entire world domestic and industrial energy system over such a small effect seems outrageous.
“Thousands of physicists and climatologists throughout the world dissent from this unproven theory. Temperatures have been considerably higher in the past, for example when the Vikings developed Greenland, without any adverse effects.
http://climaterealists.com/attachments/database/Vested%20interests%20scary%20as%20any%20climate%20change%20scare.pdf
:y :y