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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: joshwyatt on 26 January 2010, 15:30:14
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Very annoyed, here's the story;
8.17 this morning put some Diesel is the Range Rover. Exited Sainsbury's and approached Kidlington round about (non traffic light.) Entered the RA (8.21)in the inside lane (nearest the grass of the RA) then approaching second entrance to the RA, black Saab 93 approaching and then entered the RA and went striahgt into my lane right infront of me. Jumped on the brakes, could feel the cadence of the ABS kicking in, but hit his O/S rear with the N/S front of the RR. Travelling at about 26 MPH. Bumper of mine came off damage to wing etc. He then gets out and says...why have you driven into me? So I asked if we was ok first. Then if he knew how RA's worked? You give way to the right. I simply could not have done anything else, couldn't have swerved as the ra was busy with other vehicles.
Why the hell did he just pull out, he can't claim to not have seen me???
My RR then didn't start, later found out it was a safety feature cutting off fuel. Called Police, and exchanged ins details, police were in attendance approx 5 mins after call.
I have the sneaky feeling he's not going to admit liability, even though clearly I think it's his fault.
I was in the correct lane, signalling correctly and he just pulled out.
Phoned my insurance company...what else can I do?
The most annoying thing is the RR was due to be sold today, had a viewing this afternoon, which clearly can't go ahead now.
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Make sure you have witnesses, as I suspect he will find some.
I found out to my cost that some people are usinf friends and family to become independant witnesses even though they where not there. It is sneaky and underhanded and probably illegal, but be assured they will do it to you.
It was done to me by a driver who drove off from the scene of accident, says because had children in car, contacted police, few days later they had two independant witnesses.
Be warned.
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sorry to hear this Josh, its a lovely looking rangie too :(
I would take a camera back, and take loads of photos of the offending aroundabout.
Then annotate them with your location, where he was, and where the impact was. Try (not getting run over) taking pictures on the roundabout where you were position and such.
Did you manage to get the details of any witnesses?
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Josh, you were in the right, he should give way to oncoming vehicles, thing is, at that time of the morning, everyone's Jenson Button, but in sleepy mode, did you take any pics at the scene?
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Scan for CCTV on premises or street installations overlooking the scene. Should you find some why not ask for sight of any images recorded.
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Kill him.
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I hope you are OK Josh. As someone one told me they are only metal boxes and can be repaired, not the same and certainly not what you want to hear right now. My condolences, but do me a favour do not take the MV6 out.
Only Kidding/
Good Luck
Diane
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Thanks all!
Regarding witnesses, no one wanted to stop or help. I was suprised, I asked two people, and they both said sorry, don't want to get involved.
I had a can of yellow chalk paint in the boot, so marked the position of my front wheels, with his back wheels on the road surface.
Unfortunately no CCTV :(
And sods law, I have a box full of emergency break done gear and a digital camera I transfer between all vehicles I drive...but the batteries were flat...won't make that mistake again ;D
And killing him might have be a good option ::)
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That is a sickener. As said get all the evidence you can esp CCTV if possible (may have to cross some palms as I don't think they're obliged to give it). Try and do it before the TP can scupper any. Good quality pictures down the line of your travel and his and trace the road layout off Google Earth etc.
If he denies then you could be in for a long haul so may need to get your RR fixed at your own expense as you want to sell it.
Only deal with your insurer don't touch his insurer or negotiate with him unless you know the FULL cost of repairs and he gives you cash to cover it.
My blatantly obvious no-fault rear-ender happened 1/7/2009 and paid out 19/12/2009 after Small Claims Court process. You don't want to wait that long so make your evidence irrefutable.
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Sorry to hear of your accident mate, especially when you were about to sell your car >:(
The rules for roundabouts are pretty much black and white IMO, if somebody pulls out onto the roundabout when you are already on it, then they are automatically at fault. It's good that you had the presence of mind to mark the position of the vehicles, but this may count for nothing if you don't have witnesses
I just wonder how the other driver will cover himself regarding his side of the story and how the insurance company will deal with it? May be worth conjuring up a few 'witnesses' yourself, as mantahatch mentioned
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worth conjuring up a few 'witnesses' yourself, as mantahatch mentioned
I hope no-one is suggesting perjury here, as I am sure TUNNIE will not have that.
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Sad news Josh, can I ask, was the guy a foreign national by any chance? Expect the passengers to multiply and all of them having whiplash!
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Same sort of thing happened to me years ago. Clown ran into side of my car on roundabout - had to be his fault. No observable damage to the elderly tank I was driving, but his Escort sort of fell apart. Gave him my insurance details and left him to it. Couple of weeks later, get a letter from his insurers blaming me, and naming some witnesses.
Funny thing was that the crash happened on the Shepherds Bush roundabout, and the other bloke came from the Isle of Wight, as did all his witnesses. I pointed this out to my insurers, and I never heard anything more. :) :) :)
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sounds like it'll end up knock for knock, but if he starts going for whiplash, then he really is taking the piss
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RTC :-? - sounds like an RTA to me
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I tend to keep a cheap disposable film camera in the glovebox, as I once had the same problem with digital camera and batteries. Now, for the price of a 'cheapie' (got a couple at the local market for £3 for 2) they are always ready for use, and cheap enought to develop.
Came in handy when the daughter had some twit go into the side of her on a roundabout, (she was on the roundabout, and said twit come out into the passenger side)
As I was a passenger, popped out with the camera and ran off the film before the 'twit' knew what had hit him..... he had not a leg to stand on!!
Hope you are OK Josh, and it all gets sorted OK as well mate. :y
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RTC :-? - sounds like an RTA to me
Where have you been living recently Martin?
It was decreed years ago that the old bill have to blank the word "accident" from their vocabulary as it is deemed to be "negative"
Well no f**king shit Sherlock, I would never have guessed that being involved in an accident would generate a degree of negativity for those involved ::)
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I thought the problem was that if it was described as an accident then no-one was to blame. Clever (read sneaky) lawyers.
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Unlucky Josh-especially re: camera.
I have had a few similar incidents-especially on the coaches-once got hit by a pick up who started shouting it was my fault-by then I had photos of the three occupants jammed in across two seats-the reason he lost control. He soon shut up and admitted liability.
Last time a got damaged enough to go for repair, a guy behind me hit my rear end at traffic lights. I got out with a concealed dictaphone and he said "oh damn-my dog jumped on my knee and I stuffed the pedals". Changed his mind after a few minutes and tried to say I rolled back- until I played the recording back and showed him the photos.
Hope you get it sorted-as said on previous posts-watch out for additional witnesses and passengers miraculously appearing out of thin air. Damn shame your camera was not working :'(
Good luck sorting it Josh :y
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Good luck with the insurance Josh. Real bummer but sadly too typical nowadays.
I always have a camera with me, the centre console cubbyhole is perfectly sized for my spare camera. These things you always learn the hard way.
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What a bummer .. and unfortunately I think you may have problems proving your case .. :(
I was involved in a lane change roundabout accident 5 years ago, the other guy simply cut me up, no signals and changed lanes for no reason, I had no chance to avoid him.
The insurance company told me quite specifically that as it was extremely difficult to prove "blame" given no witnesses, it was my word against his and "knock-for-knock" was a reasonable decision.
Further, this was their policy on rounadabout accidents.
I argued strongly, including many photo's of the approach roads, signs, road markings etc but was getting nowhere. They eventually sent me his version of the events at which point I was able to make a very strong stand. He had claimed to be in the middle lane as he entered the roundabout. The photo's showed there were 4 lanes and I was able to ask how he could claim the "middle" lane of four lanes, and make further inroads into his arguments.
His insurers then accepted liability and I got all my costs and no-claims back...... but it took over 6 months ... :(
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
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http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp;jsessionid=UTAYCOSPLXAB2CQLCIPZNFQ?N=411&Ntk=gensearch_003&Ntt=car+accident+recorder&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&suggestions=false&ref=globalsearch&_requestid=571226
These are something similar to others I have seen.
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You might remember a thread a while back where a garage took a customers car for a "TestDrive" at very excessive speeds, it just all happended to get recorded on something similar and was handed to the police, I forget the car it was, but was rapid.
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http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp;jsessionid=UTAYCOSPLXAB2CQLCIPZNFQ?N=411&Ntk=gensearch_003&Ntt=car+accident+recorder&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&suggestions=false&ref=globalsearch&_requestid=571226
These are something similar to others I have seen.
That's similar-they may have got smaller due to tech updates-the one I saw was a replacement for the mirror..
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
there was that other system which caught that garage taking some guys Vauxhall Monaro for a 125mph blast too, all very useful.
Some still photos of the scene should be plenty :)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
there was that other system which caught that garage taking some guys Vauxhall Monaro for a 125mph blast too, all very useful.
Some still photos of the scene should be plenty :)
Saw that... :y Good evidence..
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
Roadhawk
I have one.
http://www.roadhawk.co.uk
It doesn't "replace" the interior mirror .. it sits "behind" it . :)
:)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
there was that other system which caught that garage taking some guys Vauxhall Monaro for a 125mph blast too, all very useful.
Some still photos of the scene should be plenty :)
Cheers Tunnie, thats the one I was on about, couldnt remember the car. :y
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/25/supercar-in-for-repairs-is-taken-on-a-125mph-joyride-by-garage-staff-115875-21770752/
Just found it, cheers Tunnie.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/25/supercar-in-for-repairs-is-taken-on-a-125mph-joyride-by-garage-staff-115875-21770752/
Just found it, cheers Tunnie.
No problem, i think someone here posted the link to the forum that was first posted on.
Guy initially did not want to take it to the police, but he put it on you tube, Police found it, and contacted him :o
Kinda feel he may have had his own 'blasts' on there, which is the down side to those systems. You need a kill switch when you wanna have fun! ;D
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RTC :-? - sounds like an RTA to me
Where have you been living recently Martin?
It was decreed years ago that the old bill have to blank the word "accident" from their vocabulary as it is deemed to be "negative"
Well no f**king shit Sherlock, I would never have guessed that being involved in an accident would generate a degree of negativity for those involved ::)
Being of that age - RTA was the commonly used term and RTC meant the now closed Railway Technical Centre (where the APT was designed)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
Roadhawk
I have one.
http://www.roadhawk.co.uk
It doesn't "replace" the interior mirror .. it sits "behind" it . :)
:)
We may need a little chat then Nigel... It's something I'm seriously considering ;) ;)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
Roadhawk
I have one.
http://www.roadhawk.co.uk
It doesn't "replace" the interior mirror .. it sits "behind" it . :)
:)
We may need a little chat then Nigel... It's something I'm seriously considering ;) ;)
No probs .. it'll be "available for viewing" at the lakes and newent .. :)
:y :y
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1207259495/0
I was looking for a similar thread I had started, but found this one by James.
There is a bracket on ebay that can be fitted to the headrest uprights and adapts a PVR on to it.
With your trade Josh it would be an ideal tool to just clip into a car, and in this case would have had this guy bang to rights.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380142493004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Just a thought. Ideal when out on a test drive. :y
There is a system available that replaces the interior mirror and is a combined camera and recorder, which records a few minutes at a time and then erases and records over unless an impact is detected or the button pressed to save the last few minutes.
Was speaking to a guy that fits them in the UK a while back, can't remeber company name.
Sounds like it could save a lot of hassle on a claim...
Roadhawk
I have one.
http://www.roadhawk.co.uk
It doesn't "replace" the interior mirror .. it sits "behind" it . :)
:)
We may need a little chat then Nigel... It's something I'm seriously considering ;) ;)
No probs .. it'll be "available for viewing" at the lakes and newent .. :)
:y :y
How much? :y
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£200 now ...
http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/roadhawk-rh1-drive-camera.htm
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worth conjuring up a few 'witnesses' yourself, as mantahatch mentioned
I hope no-one is suggesting perjury here, as I am sure TUNNIE will not have that.
As wrong as it is, once it has been done to you personally, you tend to get a bit paranoid about these things.
And I woud not have any issues doing it myself now. Sorry but when these people do it, I see the only way to fight back is to join them.
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£200 now ...
http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/roadhawk-rh1-drive-camera.htm
There's this but does not look as good:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SMARTY-CAR-AUTO-VIDEO-CAMERA-KAMERA-RECORDER-DVR-GPS_W0QQitemZ260543370177QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca99853c1
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Pity there wasnt a dual input PVR to have front a rear camera's for thos tossers who tailgate, or a system as mentioed with GPS as well. Technology is advancing all the time,
I know for a fact if they brought out a dual recording version with discreet bumper cams (look like parking/reverse cameras) at the right money I would not hesitate to have some fitted.
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Pity there wasnt a dual input PVR to have front a rear camera's for thos tossers who tailgate, or a system as mentioed with GPS as well. Technology is advancing all the time,
I know for a fact if they brought out a dual recording version with discreet bumper cams (look like parking/reverse cameras) at the right money I would not hesitate to have some fitted.
The Roadhawk comes as a twin-pack for £389 inc. twin cig lighter adaptor-front and rear cams...
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Pity there wasnt a dual input PVR to have front a rear camera's for thos tossers who tailgate, or a system as mentioed with GPS as well. Technology is advancing all the time,
I know for a fact if they brought out a dual recording version with discreet bumper cams (look like parking/reverse cameras) at the right money I would not hesitate to have some fitted.
The Roadhawk comes as a twin-pack for £389 inc. twin cig lighter adaptor-front and rear cams...
Looked at that but they drop from 1 x 4GB to 2 x 2GB SDHC cards. So no real saving really.
I just dont fancy fitting 2 camera's every time I go out. :-/